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Sy'56's New York Giants-Oakland Raiders Game Review

Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/6/2017 12:12 pm
FYI...
Game Review: Oakland Raiders 24 New York Giants 17 - ( New Window )
Thanks Sy  
Jay on the Island : 12/6/2017 12:23 pm : link
I really hope you're wrong that the owners will look at Marvin Lewis and John Fox if they are fired. Neither candidate inspires much confidence.
Sy  
ryanmkeane : 12/6/2017 12:26 pm : link
you've mentioned Marvin Lewis a few times over the past couple days. How would hiring this guy bring any sort of excitement to this organization? He's been in Cincy for 14 years, just over a .500 win percentage, their team routinely comes up small in big games.

Maybe I'm not seeing it, but Lewis does not seem like a great candidate here.
No thanks to Marvin Lewis. That would be a terrible move.  
ZogZerg : 12/6/2017 12:30 pm : link
Plus, he sounds burned out from coaching. He needs time off.
no thanks on Fox or Lewis. 17 yrs too late on Fox. He's just  
Victor in CT : 12/6/2017 12:44 pm : link
a retread on the coaching carousel now. Lewis never won a playoff game, his teams are notoriously undisciplined and ZogZerg makes a valid point about burnout.
I thought  
lugnut : 12/6/2017 12:59 pm : link
I was the only one -- I think we're going to beat DAL this week too.

Seriously, no on Lewis and Fox. Re-treads that didn't even accomplish shit when they were treads.
As for the idea that having Eli back in the saddle will  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/6/2017 1:07 pm : link
raise the "energy level", I don't think the energy level has been an issue since the San Francisco game (with some individual exceptions). The defense has certainly raised it's level since the Rams/Niners debacles. The offense is what it is and I don't see how that changes with Eli coming back, unless we run the ball like we did against Denver. Add to that Sean Lee is expected to return and that makes a serious difference for Dallas.
In no way am I endorsing Lewis  
Sy'56 : 12/6/2017 1:10 pm : link
It is just a name that I have heard people around NYG have been high on in past
And with that said, I am making a list of 10 guys I would look in to  
Sy'56 : 12/6/2017 1:15 pm : link
Want to have it out to you guys by Christmas.
RE: No thanks to Marvin Lewis. That would be a terrible move.  
Stan in LA : 12/6/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13727606 ZogZerg said:
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Plus, he sounds burned out from coaching. He needs time off.


And John Fox would be worse. No thanks.
Fox is Burned out and Lewis has failed  
Alwaysblue22 : 12/6/2017 1:26 pm : link
John Fox is not the same coach that he was as the DC of the Giants. His energy level is greatly diminished. I think he had a tipple by pass did he not? Marvin Lewis has never won a playoff game with a Bengals team that should have won at least one of the seven that he has lost. He is no Mike Tomlin when it comes to coaching. The Bengals front office has done a good job assembling talent that Lewis could not manage to win a single playoff game with. Contrast that with the ability of TC to coach two teams to Super Bowl victories with less talent than the Bengals. Therefore, Lewis is not a good fit either, in my opinion. I like a coach who has shown that he can do the most with the least, and not a coach who had done the least with the most. Of course you want to place your coach in a position where he has more talent and not less. A coach who has won with less should be able to excel when he has more.
RE: And with that said, I am making a list of 10 guys I would look in to  
Victor in CT : 12/6/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13727721 Sy'56 said:
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Want to have it out to you guys by Christmas.


that will be a nice present thanks
Didn't Fox have heart surgery back in 2013?  
DieHard : 12/6/2017 1:41 pm : link
Wouldn't be shocked if he hasn't been quite the same since that point.
RE: And with that said, I am making a list of 10 guys I would look in to  
Jay on the Island : 12/6/2017 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13727721 Sy'56 said:
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Want to have it out to you guys by Christmas.

Thanks Sy I look forward to it. Is the list going to based on guys you are hearing they are interested in, your preferred candidates, or a combination of both?
RE: RE: No thanks to Marvin Lewis. That would be a terrible move.  
ZogZerg : 12/6/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13727728 Stan in LA said:
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And John Fox would be worse. No thanks.



Agree. He is a terrible in game coach.
Sy  
GiantsRage2007 : 12/6/2017 2:10 pm : link
I know the talk is going to be about finding a GM and a coach and with a top 3 pick perhaps a new qb next yr...

but...

Wow this team is in need of 1 (maybe 2) tackles, 1 (maybe 2) guards, and a center going into next season. It's almost immaterial who is coaching or playing qb with an OL this bad!
RE: RE: And with that said, I am making a list of 10 guys I would look in to  
Sy'56 : 12/6/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13727836 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13727721 Sy'56 said:


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Want to have it out to you guys by Christmas.


Thanks Sy I look forward to it. Is the list going to based on guys you are hearing they are interested in, your preferred candidates, or a combination of both?


No asshat info...just guys I have thought/do think deserve a shot
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 12/6/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13727866 GiantsRage2007 said:
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I know the talk is going to be about finding a GM and a coach and with a top 3 pick perhaps a new qb next yr...

but...

Wow this team is in need of 1 (maybe 2) tackles, 1 (maybe 2) guards, and a center going into next season. It's almost immaterial who is coaching or playing qb with an OL this bad!


The OL can be fixed with one signing and one hit on a draft pick
No thanks to both.  
Matt M. : 12/6/2017 2:18 pm : link
But, that's the problem. I wold prefer a person with HC experience. But, how many are out there and available that are actually worth it?
A very fair assessment all around  
Matt M. : 12/6/2017 2:28 pm : link
The most interesting thing from this week, in my opinion, was the Perkins sighting. Raw deal? I don't know. But, I said last week, the worst part of the OL play the last two (or more years) is that is really makes it almost impossible to evaluate our current RBs. Are they as bad as the numbers, or is this OL just so bad that just looking mediocre in the running game is a big accomplishment? This could come into play if they fall to 3 or 4 in the draft. Do they take Mayfield or Jackson, or do they do with Barkley, who I think is the best player in the draft? Is a backfield of a combination in some form of Perkins, Gallman, and Darkwa good enough with a decent OL?

As for Dixon, I loved his hustle and closing speed. What I didn't love was his man coverage. He got beat at the line consistently. Some poorly thrown balls, coupled with his speed, allowed for him to make a couple of plays.
Thanks, Sy.  
Racer : 12/6/2017 2:48 pm : link
It's the Cockrell, Dixon, Thompson etc. stories that are going to make December football watchable.

Wondering if you're looking for a different emphasis on certain formations/personnel groups in the Sully/Eli version of the offense in the Dallas gameplan(?). I'm in your camp, rooting for some more Ellison.
One of Reese's best moves this year  
Jay on the Island : 12/6/2017 2:52 pm : link
was trading a 7th for Cockrell. I hope that they re-sign him because he has a chance to start opposite Jenkins next season if DRC is let go and Apple doesn't grow up. Hopefully he agrees to a deal in the 4 year $10-12 million range.
Perkins  
SLIM_ : 12/6/2017 3:28 pm : link
needs to get some time these next 4 weeks - at the expense of Vereen. I think he's lost a step and we need to see if Perkins can be his replacement next year.

I don't think a trio of Galman/Darkwa/Perkins is a bad combo, even Galman/Perkins with the receiving trio of Sheppard/Engram/OBj coming back. Our other tight ends serve a role and Eli is Eli. We just need to improve our line, get healthy and have a winning scheme and our offense will improve significantly.
I would have wanted Fox  
Chris684 : 12/6/2017 3:48 pm : link
if either of his first 2 opportunities lined up with our vacancies.

I have no interest now in what would be his 4th stint.
If Lewis is fired  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/6/2017 4:54 pm : link
He might be an interesting choice as the DC. Wasn't he the 2000 Ravens DC
Sy'56 - Landon Collins-  
section125 : 12/6/2017 5:32 pm : link
Should he be a WLB? He hits like a truck. When he tackles people, they GO DOWN. One of the best tacklers I have seen in a very long time.
He is limited going backward, at best mediocre, but good Lord he is phenomenal attacking,

I think he is playing at 218, but easily could carry 225/230.

Any chance he could move to WLB? He even blitzes well.
Sy  
adamg : 12/6/2017 6:15 pm : link
Do you see the Giants going after a center in the draft?

Also would you expect Pugh and Fluker to be brought back next year?

Thanks for all your analysis. Top notch.
Marvin Lewis no  
bc4life : 12/6/2017 8:00 pm : link
John fox hell F'n no
RE: Sy'56 - Landon Collins-  
Sy'56 : 12/6/2017 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13728252 section125 said:
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Should he be a WLB? He hits like a truck. When he tackles people, they GO DOWN. One of the best tacklers I have seen in a very long time.
He is limited going backward, at best mediocre, but good Lord he is phenomenal attacking,

I think he is playing at 218, but easily could carry 225/230.

Any chance he could move to WLB? He even blitzes well.


I wouldn't want to restrict him to LB, I like how much he can move around from the S position
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 12/6/2017 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13728302 adamg said:
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Do you see the Giants going after a center in the draft?

Also would you expect Pugh and Fluker to be brought back next year?

Thanks for all your analysis. Top notch.


I'm not sure, its all about whether they sign Richburg or not. Billy Price would be a solid 2nd round pick...Plenty of OG/OC experience, can hedge their situation there.
And Re: Pugh/Fluker  
Sy'56 : 12/6/2017 9:48 pm : link
All depends on the new faces that will be running the show. Pugh is injury prone, but he is by far the best OL on the team. Fluker, I do like him as a starting RG.
Sy'56  
old man : 12/6/2017 11:49 pm : link
Is Billy Price the "1 draft" you were thinking when earlier you responded the line could be improved with 1 draft hit and 1 FA?
I ask in particular because it's likely the Giants go QB with the first pick, and Price could be the 2nd draft hit.
Or, is Price just a coincidence to both replies.
I would complain if he was the 34th pick(assuming we had that pick).
RE: Sy'56  
Sy'56 : 12/7/2017 8:51 am : link
In comment 13728504 old man said:
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Is Billy Price the "1 draft" you were thinking when earlier you responded the line could be improved with 1 draft hit and 1 FA?
I ask in particular because it's likely the Giants go QB with the first pick, and Price could be the 2nd draft hit.
Or, is Price just a coincidence to both replies.
I would complain if he was the 34th pick(assuming we had that pick).


I didn't have anyone in particular in mind when I said that. But he is certainly a guy that could be a hit for this team
Good review Sy'56'  
Bluesbreaker : 12/7/2017 1:03 pm : link
I was thinking the same thing Eli back in the saddle and
the team will be amped up enough to overcome Dallas .
Looking forward to who you like in the draft to get
the giants some help going forward .
I felt kind of bad for Geno you could see him mad at himself becuase of getting a chance to shine and coming up a bit short . I feel much better now that they have fired
Reese and MacHandley that was a gut wrenching week for
many of us . I still want a premier RB I would be ecstatic if they took
Barkley gets some LB help and shore up the O-line .
It might be enough to make a push next season I still feel
Eli can get the job done but MacHandleys offense never was a good fit with Eli I have no idea why they made him the HC but glad he is gone !
Thanks Sy ....  
short lease : 12/7/2017 3:12 pm : link
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I fully expect  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 3:13 pm : link
The Giants to come away with a QB in the first and an offensive linemen in the 2nd.
RE: RE: Sy  
short lease : 12/7/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13727880 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13727866 GiantsRage2007 said:


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I know the talk is going to be about finding a GM and a coach and with a top 3 pick perhaps a new qb next yr...

but...

Wow this team is in need of 1 (maybe 2) tackles, 1 (maybe 2) guards, and a center going into next season. It's almost immaterial who is coaching or playing qb with an OL this bad!



The OL can be fixed with one signing and one hit on a draft pick


From your keyboard to the Football God's ears .... ; )
RE: RE: Sy'56  
old man : 12/7/2017 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13728623 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13728504 old man said:


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Is Billy Price the "1 draft" you were thinking when earlier you responded the line could be improved with 1 draft hit and 1 FA?
I ask in particular because it's likely the Giants go QB with the first pick, and Price could be the 2nd draft hit.
Or, is Price just a coincidence to both replies.
I would complain if he was the 34th pick(assuming we had that pick).



I didn't have anyone in particular in mind when I said that. But he is certainly a guy that could be a hit for this team


Thank you Sy'56.
RE: RE: RE: Sy'56  
old man : 12/7/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13729301 old man said:
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In comment 13728623 Sy'56 said:


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In comment 13728504 old man said:


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Is Billy Price the "1 draft" you were thinking when earlier you responded the line could be improved with 1 draft hit and 1 FA?
I ask in particular because it's likely the Giants go QB with the first pick, and Price could be the 2nd draft hit.
Or, is Price just a coincidence to both replies.
I would complain if he was the 34th pick(assuming we had that pick).



I didn't have anyone in particular in mind when I said that. But he is certainly a guy that could be a hit for this team



Thank you Sy'56.


BTW my " would complain" was supposed to be "wouldn't complain". I missed that twice. Sheesh!!!
Sy'56  
Marty866b : 12/7/2017 10:52 pm : link
What I liked most about Dixon was how physical he was.
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