I know many people do not care for Mr. Lombardi, but I happen to find him to be a good listen on his podcast. Over the past few episodes I felt that he did have some interesting perspectives regarding McAdoo and the Giants. He stated that he interviewed McAdoo for the Browns HC position and he felt that after talking to him for 3 hours that there was no way this guy was a head coach. He thought that he had a plan, but did not command the room at all.
The second point he made is interesting. He states that the Giants have a model from back when George Young was hired that there is a separation between the GM and coach. He said that in today's NFL, the head coach needs to run the organization and you bring in the best guy possible and let him pick the GM who will get players that fit his philosophy. He cites Pete Carroll as an example. There is a GM there and he has a say and is not just a yes man for Carroll, but Carroll gives the directive and is heavily involved in what type of players will be in the system. It does make sense to me and I hope Mara, Accorsi and company are forward thinkers of what is needed in today's NFL.
For example, there's no reason a player with Sintim's attributes should've been drafted for those defenses. Square peg -> round hole
I listen to the Lombardi & Tate Frazier podcast &, to be fair, Lombardi wasn't high on McAdoo last season either so he's been consistent.
I don't remember him saying much either way, but he consistently kills Doug Pederson and thinks he is a terrible head coach. That team is 10-2 and Lombardi is a Philly guy, so I doubt he is just saying this now.
he killed McAdoo most of last season.
As for needing the coach in control in order to win in today's NFL, I think as long as your coach and GM are collaborating and on the same page you get the same desired result.
It's starting to appear now that this kind of synergy may not have been there between Reese and McAdoo
I think the trend is leaning more and more this way in the NFL, so it will be interesting to see which way the Gmen go.
I think it is interesting there could be such a disparity between what Lombardi is saying and what the buzz was around McAdoo when he was in QB. He was one of the next hot things and viewed as an offensive genius.
Obviously we all see how that played out.
That's part of the reason I think McDaniels and Cesario would work well because those guys are joined at the hip, and would be a million percent on the same page to develop their program and bring in the proper players to fit it. They go way back as college roommates and I don't think dissension of communication would ever been an issue.
It's clear as time passed that Coughlin was not getting the groceries he wanted, and I think that's part Reese, but really started the second Marc Ross walked through the door and Jerry stopped running the drafts. Just saying. Don't cut off one hand without the other if it's reaching for the wrong ingredients.
He hired one coach in his life from what I know and that was a disaster.
how do people become experts on something they're not good at?
And yeah he was ripping McAdoo all last year. Similarly, he's been critical of Doug Pedersen this year.
most coaches in the NFL will fail.
Average tenure of a head coach is 38 months.
I'd give him more credibility if he had a track record of good hirings, but he simply does not.
And yes, he was very critical of McAdoo last year, making fun of his "IHOP menu" playsheet.
I think the trend is leaning more and more this way in the NFL, so it will be interesting to see which way the Gmen go.
I don't believe this is correct. Dimitroff hired Quinn, not the other way around. Quinn probably gives Dimitroff input and strong direction on what he is looking for, but the GM was there before Quinn was hired (Dimitroff hired Mike Smith..and let him go).
And yes, he was very critical of McAdoo last year, making fun of his "IHOP menu" playsheet.
Lombardi was the Browns GM 2013 - 2014
Lombardi was the Browns GM 2013 - 2014
Wow, totally brain farted on that one! Thanks.
Still don't think he was getting a HC interview in 2014, he was only a position coach at the time. Maybe OC?
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Lombardi was the Browns GM 2013 - 2014
Wow, totally brain farted on that one! Thanks.
Still don't think he was getting a HC interview in 2014, he was only a position coach at the time. Maybe OC?
Your brain must be extra gassy, because he was an HC candidate for them in 2014.
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He's always been critical of how the GB offense is set up (and thus McAdoo by association). But I do think he has a valid point when it comes to how the Giants should approach their situation. You want the best GM-coach combo, however that shakes out, and not necessarily privilege one over the other. the arrangement might not work out (see 49ers so far) but at least you have everyone pulling in the same direction, and you'll find out pretty quickly if it's not working.
Mcadoo may have been a clown but this guys a bigger one. Also, he was making fun of his play sheet last year, but he was not ripping him as a coach. Typical pile on job.
If a good candidate starts with a 100 score, McAdoo should have started with 80 before he interviewed.
Giants biggest mistake was committing to a Coughlin successor without looking at all the options. The selection process was a joke once they panicked about losing McAdoo to Philly.
If a brilliant coach can go 5-11 or worse, then why can't a terrible coach luck out and go 11-5?
Last season, the Giants were 12th in points differential at +26. Their offense ranked 26th in points scored and the defense was 2nd in points allowed. Spags, a very hit-or-miss DC has shown that when he has exactly the pieces that he needs, can hit HRs defensively.