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Michael Lombardi comments on Ringer Podcast

bigblue12 : 12/6/2017 12:19 pm
I know many people do not care for Mr. Lombardi, but I happen to find him to be a good listen on his podcast. Over the past few episodes I felt that he did have some interesting perspectives regarding McAdoo and the Giants. He stated that he interviewed McAdoo for the Browns HC position and he felt that after talking to him for 3 hours that there was no way this guy was a head coach. He thought that he had a plan, but did not command the room at all.

The second point he made is interesting. He states that the Giants have a model from back when George Young was hired that there is a separation between the GM and coach. He said that in today's NFL, the head coach needs to run the organization and you bring in the best guy possible and let him pick the GM who will get players that fit his philosophy. He cites Pete Carroll as an example. There is a GM there and he has a say and is not just a yes man for Carroll, but Carroll gives the directive and is heavily involved in what type of players will be in the system. It does make sense to me and I hope Mara, Accorsi and company are forward thinkers of what is needed in today's NFL.
Nothing for nothing  
Matt in SGS : 12/6/2017 12:21 pm : link
but did Lombardi say this about McAdoo after he went 11-5? It's easy to pile on and shit on someone when they are down.
re: GM first  
giants#1 : 12/6/2017 12:24 pm : link
You can hire the GM first. He just needs to be smart enough and capable enough to adapt his approach to the coaches philosophy. And if he doesn't agree with that philosophy, then he probably shouldn't be hiring that HC in the first place.

For example, there's no reason a player with Sintim's attributes should've been drafted for those defenses. Square peg -> round hole
RE: Nothing for nothing  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13727582 Matt in SGS said:
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but did Lombardi say this about McAdoo after he went 11-5? It's easy to pile on and shit on someone when they are down.


I listen to the Lombardi & Tate Frazier podcast &, to be fair, Lombardi wasn't high on McAdoo last season either so he's been consistent.
When did  
McNally's_Nuts : 12/6/2017 12:30 pm : link
Mac interview for the Cleveland Browns job?
RE: Nothing for nothing  
bigblue12 : 12/6/2017 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13727582 Matt in SGS said:
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but did Lombardi say this about McAdoo after he went 11-5? It's easy to pile on and shit on someone when they are down.


I don't remember him saying much either way, but he consistently kills Doug Pederson and thinks he is a terrible head coach. That team is 10-2 and Lombardi is a Philly guy, so I doubt he is just saying this now.
RE: Nothing for nothing  
Enzo : 12/6/2017 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13727582 Matt in SGS said:
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but did Lombardi say this about McAdoo after he went 11-5? It's easy to pile on and shit on someone when they are down.

he killed McAdoo most of last season.
The poster above  
larryinnewhaven : 12/6/2017 12:34 pm : link
is correct Lombardi killed Mac every week last season. Saying our offense was a disaster. That he had a restaurant menu in his and he ran the same 4 plays.
I get it that these are all men  
Enzo : 12/6/2017 12:37 pm : link
and people's feelings don't really play into it, but Lombardi has gotta be the most mean-spirited guy who covers the league (excluding comedy guys like Magary, etc.). He routinely kills and mocks everyone not named Belicheck. I guess he doesn't want a job back in the league at some point?

As for needing the coach in control in order to win in today's NFL, I think as long as your coach and GM are collaborating and on the same page you get the same desired result.
The same works in reverse - you can hire a GM with  
mfsd : 12/6/2017 12:40 pm : link
a plan for how to build a team, and look for a head coach who's system/scheme/philosophy works with that plan.

It's starting to appear now that this kind of synergy may not have been there between Reese and McAdoo
The Falcons....  
damdevs : 12/6/2017 12:43 pm : link
are run the same way. Quinn runs the show and Dimitroff and Pioli are there to run the scouting dept. Quinn selects guys based on what styles he wants to play.

I think the trend is leaning more and more this way in the NFL, so it will be interesting to see which way the Gmen go.
thanks for the OP  
tbonfig : 12/6/2017 12:45 pm : link
I heard this yesterday but had been too busy to post it or my comments.

I think it is interesting there could be such a disparity between what Lombardi is saying and what the buzz was around McAdoo when he was in QB. He was one of the next hot things and viewed as an offensive genius.

Obviously we all see how that played out.
Great thread 12  
RAIN : 12/6/2017 12:45 pm : link
Very interesting.
OP's point is very interesting...  
GiantTuff1 : 12/6/2017 12:45 pm : link
I think that makes a tremendous amount of sense regarding coach and GM, or honestly have them come in tandem.

That's part of the reason I think McDaniels and Cesario would work well because those guys are joined at the hip, and would be a million percent on the same page to develop their program and bring in the proper players to fit it. They go way back as college roommates and I don't think dissension of communication would ever been an issue.

It's clear as time passed that Coughlin was not getting the groceries he wanted, and I think that's part Reese, but really started the second Marc Ross walked through the door and Jerry stopped running the drafts. Just saying. Don't cut off one hand without the other if it's reaching for the wrong ingredients.

So the guy who hired  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 12:48 pm : link
Mike Pettine as a head coach, and Pettine led his team to a 10 - 22 record over two seasons is now an authority on who makes a good head coach.

He hired one coach in his life from what I know and that was a disaster.

how do people become experts on something they're not good at?
Lombardi was the guy who told a friend of mine...  
Milton : 12/6/2017 12:48 pm : link
...that McAdoo was thought of as a "glorified high school gym teacher" by the people in Green Bay. I posted it as asshat info last year without using Lombardi's name because it's a work relationship, but I guess it's pretty safe now.
Listen I don't like McAdoo at all  
moespree : 12/6/2017 12:51 pm : link
But you don't go 11-5 in the NFL if you're a total moron who has no clue what they are doing. Yes, the defense carried the team last year and his offense was not good. But he still went 11-5. I don't believe for a second you can do that in the NFL if you're totally clueless and have zero idea about the sport.
Lombardi said the same stuff about McAdoo  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2017 12:56 pm : link
during last season too. He's been consistent and was proven correct. Fortunately for us, he's skeptical of Pederson in Philly as well.
I like Lombardi  
Go Terps : 12/6/2017 12:58 pm : link
It's good to listen to someone with some legit historical and inside knowledge.

And yeah he was ripping McAdoo all last year. Similarly, he's been critical of Doug Pedersen this year.
pj  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2017 12:59 pm : link
Lombardi worked under Belichick, Al Daivs, and Bill Walsh. Sure Pettine was a bad hire. But that doesn't mean his evaluation of McAdoo was off base, or that he generally does not know what to look for. He's been around a long time with some successful operations
So Mike Pettine  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 1:02 pm : link
commanded the room?

most coaches in the NFL will fail.

Average tenure of a head coach is 38 months.

I'd give him more credibility if he had a track record of good hirings, but he simply does not.
He didn't interview McAdoo for the HC position,  
Section331 : 12/6/2017 1:06 pm : link
he was at Cleveland in the late 80's, early 90's, no way McAdoo was getting a HC interview anywhere at that point. My guess is that it was for a position coach, and he did say that McAdoo had no presence about him.

And yes, he was very critical of McAdoo last year, making fun of his "IHOP menu" playsheet.
RE: The Falcons....  
Tom in NY : 12/6/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13727648 damdevs said:
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are run the same way. Quinn runs the show and Dimitroff and Pioli are there to run the scouting dept. Quinn selects guys based on what styles he wants to play.

I think the trend is leaning more and more this way in the NFL, so it will be interesting to see which way the Gmen go.


I don't believe this is correct. Dimitroff hired Quinn, not the other way around. Quinn probably gives Dimitroff input and strong direction on what he is looking for, but the GM was there before Quinn was hired (Dimitroff hired Mike Smith..and let him go).
RE: He didn't interview McAdoo for the HC position,  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13727696 Section331 said:
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he was at Cleveland in the late 80's, early 90's, no way McAdoo was getting a HC interview anywhere at that point. My guess is that it was for a position coach, and he did say that McAdoo had no presence about him.

And yes, he was very critical of McAdoo last year, making fun of his "IHOP menu" playsheet.


Lombardi was the Browns GM 2013 - 2014

RE: RE: He didn't interview McAdoo for the HC position,  
Section331 : 12/6/2017 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13727699 pjcas18 said:
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Lombardi was the Browns GM 2013 - 2014


Wow, totally brain farted on that one! Thanks.

Still don't think he was getting a HC interview in 2014, he was only a position coach at the time. Maybe OC?
RE: RE: RE: He didn't interview McAdoo for the HC position,  
Giantology : 12/6/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13727713 Section331 said:
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In comment 13727699 pjcas18 said:


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Lombardi was the Browns GM 2013 - 2014




Wow, totally brain farted on that one! Thanks.

Still don't think he was getting a HC interview in 2014, he was only a position coach at the time. Maybe OC?


Your brain must be extra gassy, because he was an HC candidate for them in 2014.
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Lombardi is very hit-and-miss  
DieHard : 12/6/2017 1:35 pm : link
I remember back in 2011 when he said Peyton Manning was done ("He can't THROW TO HIS LEFT!"), and it's embarrassing how he overrates anyone who's ever been associated with Belichick -- he's just too close to those guys.

He's always been critical of how the GB offense is set up (and thus McAdoo by association). But I do think he has a valid point when it comes to how the Giants should approach their situation. You want the best GM-coach combo, however that shakes out, and not necessarily privilege one over the other. the arrangement might not work out (see 49ers so far) but at least you have everyone pulling in the same direction, and you'll find out pretty quickly if it's not working.
Lombardi  
TyreeHelmet : 12/6/2017 1:47 pm : link
While I do enjoy when analysts are honest and don't hold back, he goes too far with empathetic statements. The Doug Petersen stuff is so dumb. I also remember constantly ripping Russell Wilson his rookie year and saying he would never be A fo
Lombardi  
TyreeHelmet : 12/6/2017 1:48 pm : link
While I do enjoy when analysts are honest and don't hold back, he goes too far with empathetic statements. The Doug Petersen stuff is so dumb. I also remember constantly ripping Russell Wilson his rookie year and saying he would never be a good QB.

Mcadoo may have been a clown but this guys a bigger one. Also, he was making fun of his play sheet last year, but he was not ripping him as a coach. Typical pile on job.
If that is the case that Lombardi  
Matt in SGS : 12/6/2017 2:16 pm : link
was tough on McAdoo last year, then I take back my statement. I don't listen to his podcast, so I don't know.
When McAdoo was in Green Bay, he only needed to deal with a few  
Ivan15 : 12/6/2017 2:20 pm : link
Position players. TEs or QBs. And probably never dealt with the media. Milwaukee? Please!

If a good candidate starts with a 100 score, McAdoo should have started with 80 before he interviewed.

Giants biggest mistake was committing to a Coughlin successor without looking at all the options. The selection process was a joke once they panicked about losing McAdoo to Philly.
RE: Listen I don't like McAdoo at all  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/6/2017 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13727670 moespree said:
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But you don't go 11-5 in the NFL if you're a total moron who has no clue what they are doing. Yes, the defense carried the team last year and his offense was not good. But he still went 11-5. I don't believe for a second you can do that in the NFL if you're totally clueless and have zero idea about the sport.


If a brilliant coach can go 5-11 or worse, then why can't a terrible coach luck out and go 11-5?

Last season, the Giants were 12th in points differential at +26. Their offense ranked 26th in points scored and the defense was 2nd in points allowed. Spags, a very hit-or-miss DC has shown that when he has exactly the pieces that he needs, can hit HRs defensively.

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