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ron mexico : 12/6/2017 1:04 pm
This should go over well



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Can't see  
Joeguido : 12/6/2017 1:07 pm : link
it what does it say?
Sorry - insta  
ron mexico : 12/6/2017 1:07 pm : link
Not twitter
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 1:07 pm : link
He obviously looks up to Brady a good deal. I could think of about 500 worse players to idolize.

But I already know where this thread will predictably go...

He's not Brady, doesn't have the hardware, thus he shouldn't compare himself. Etc, etc. etc.
What wont go well?  
jlukes : 12/6/2017 1:08 pm : link
he posted a video of clips of Brady and him being very vocal and emotional on the field.

His tweets from earlier this week were spot on - it is a double standard.
RE: Can't see  
ron mexico : 12/6/2017 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13727697 Joeguido said:
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it what does it say?


It's clips of Brady's sideline behavior spliced in with clips of his own
Tom Brady  
Nick in LA : 12/6/2017 1:09 pm : link
is widely thought of as the "GOAT" I dont really see an issue with this instagram post.
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13727703 arcarsenal said:
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He obviously looks up to Brady a good deal. I could think of about 500 worse players to idolize.

But I already know where this thread will predictably go...

He's not Brady, doesn't have the hardware, thus he shouldn't compare himself. Etc, etc. etc.

Hence "chasin" I suppose. That he aspires to be on Brady's level.

I wouldn't see this as anything negative, despite the fact that the troglodyte comment crowd on Instagram immediately read that as a desire to join the Patriots.
It's video of him and Tom Brady interspersed,  
Section331 : 12/6/2017 1:09 pm : link
with each of them being demonstrative. Get over it Odell, people aren't criticizing your emotion on the field unless you're spearing a defender who isn't looking, or pretending to pee on the endline.
RE: RE: Can't see  
Joeguido : 12/6/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13727705 ron mexico said:
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it what does it say?



It's clips of Brady's sideline behavior spliced in with clips of his own


Thanks.....
RE: It's video of him and Tom Brady interspersed,  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13727708 Section331 said:
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with each of them being demonstrative. Get over it Odell, people aren't criticizing your emotion on the field unless you're spearing a defender who isn't looking, or pretending to pee on the endline.

That's not exactly accurate. Some people find ANY reason to criticize him and his emotion on the field/sideline.
Does he have  
HoodieGelo : 12/6/2017 1:13 pm : link
an argument? Yes. However, I feel he really just needs to let it go. No matter what he's going to have critics and constantly posting/mentioning about the "double standard" is kind of defeating the purpose.
RE: Does he have  
Mad Mike : 12/6/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13727716 HoodieGelo said:
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an argument? Yes. However, I feel he really just needs to let it go. No matter what he's going to have critics and constantly posting/mentioning about the "double standard" is kind of defeating the purpose.

A self-proving post, nice.
Yeah,he gets it  
ghost718 : 12/6/2017 1:14 pm : link
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RE: RE: It's video of him and Tom Brady interspersed,  
ajr2456 : 12/6/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13727714 Gatorade Dunk said:
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with each of them being demonstrative. Get over it Odell, people aren't criticizing your emotion on the field unless you're spearing a defender who isn't looking, or pretending to pee on the endline.


That's not exactly accurate. Some people find ANY reason to criticize him and his emotion on the field/sideline.


Exactly. I'm pretty sure this board still brings up the kicking net
RE: RE: RE: It's video of him and Tom Brady interspersed,  
arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13727719 ajr2456 said:
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with each of them being demonstrative. Get over it Odell, people aren't criticizing your emotion on the field unless you're spearing a defender who isn't looking, or pretending to pee on the endline.


That's not exactly accurate. Some people find ANY reason to criticize him and his emotion on the field/sideline.



Exactly. I'm pretty sure this board still brings up the kicking net


We still have guys blaming the boat!
This is an Instagram post, not a tweet.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/6/2017 1:16 pm : link
Please delete and correct.
What's the double standard?  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 1:16 pm : link
the player who is emotional on the field/sidelines and has never taken a personal foul or been suspended and has 5 SB rings and multiple MVPs is viewed one way

and the supremely talented, and also emotional player, who has had his emotions hurt his team, and hasn't exactly performed his best on the biggest stage isn't viewed that same way?

I agree, double standard and there should be.
Love Odell. Look forward to watching him dominate  
Keith : 12/6/2017 1:18 pm : link
for the Giants for the next 10 years. He has dominated from the first time he stepped on the field. However, I don't see this as a double standard. Tom Brady doesn't get vilified for this stuff, but not because he's white or because he's a QB or because people love him, but because he has earned that right over the past 10 years. He's proven to be a great leader and a winner. What about the extra stuff that goes beyond fire and passion? Again, love me so OBJ, but posts like this tell me that he hasn't really learned much.
RE: RE: It's video of him and Tom Brady interspersed,  
Section331 : 12/6/2017 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13727714 Gatorade Dunk said:
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That's not exactly accurate. Some people find ANY reason to criticize him and his emotion on the field/sideline.


That is true, I thought the whole kicking the net thing was blown completely out of proportion, but comparing himself to Brady is never going to end well.
RE: Love Odell. Look forward to watching him dominate  
ajr2456 : 12/6/2017 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13727730 Keith said:
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for the Giants for the next 10 years. He has dominated from the first time he stepped on the field. However, I don't see this as a double standard. Tom Brady doesn't get vilified for this stuff, but not because he's white or because he's a QB or because people love him, but because he has earned that right over the past 10 years. He's proven to be a great leader and a winner. What about the extra stuff that goes beyond fire and passion? Again, love me so OBJ, but posts like this tell me that he hasn't really learned much.



I'm fairly certain Odell could have 500 yards receiving in a Super Bowl win and people would want to run him out of town the next time he did something they didn't like
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 1:22 pm : link
For me, it's easy...

What I want Odell to continue to do:

Keep that competitive fire. Be passionate. Be demonstrative. Be himself.

What I don't want Odell to continue to do:

Take penalties that hurt the team. Get into altercations on the field.
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Bill L : 12/6/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13727735 arcarsenal said:
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For me, it's easy...

What I want Odell to continue to do:

Keep that competitive fire. Be passionate. Be demonstrative. Be himself.

What I don't want Odell to continue to do:

Take penalties that hurt the team. Get into altercations on the field.
I think most people feel that way. The post above you believes it's binary but I don't think so. People are capable of nuance.
RE: This is an Instagram post, not a tweet.  
ron mexico : 12/6/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13727724 BrettNYG10 said:
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Please delete and correct.


See the third post

Dont see any problem with this  
gmen9892 : 12/6/2017 1:25 pm : link
To me, it looks like he is looking to also become the GOAT. No issue with him acknowledging that Brady is one of the GOAT. Showing that both are fiery competitors I guess?
He's an emotional player just like Brady  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/6/2017 1:25 pm : link
what's the problem here?
He is just pointing out the bias  
Rjanyg : 12/6/2017 1:26 pm : link
TB can roll in dog shit and the refs will ask him " what kind of cologne is that ".

Although I haven't seen Brady act like a dog pissing after a TD....yet : )
What pj and Keith said.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/6/2017 1:26 pm : link
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what is it?  
GMAN4LIFE : 12/6/2017 1:27 pm : link
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the bat signal  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2017 1:27 pm : link
has been cast!
Beckham's demonstrations on the sidelines may resemble  
GeofromNJ : 12/6/2017 1:28 pm : link
those of Brady, but sideline demonstrations are not the issue with Beckham. It's his behavior on the field that has cost the Giants yardage and, at times, games. Brady has never cost his team yardage or games.
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Danny Kanell : 12/6/2017 1:28 pm : link
I know this has nothing to do with his on field performance etc but posts like this just make me like the guy less. I just think hes a complete douchebag. I also like watching him be awesome on the Giants. Is that an ok stance for some of you guys?
RE: Beckham's demonstrations on the sidelines may resemble  
ajr2456 : 12/6/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13727757 GeofromNJ said:
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those of Brady, but sideline demonstrations are not the issue with Beckham. It's his behavior on the field that has cost the Giants yardage and, at times, games. Brady has never cost his team yardage or games.


What game has Odell cost the Giants?
yea, what pj said  
Rocky369 : 12/6/2017 1:30 pm : link
except Brady's spent more time suspended than Odell
RE: What's the double standard?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13727725 pjcas18 said:
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the player who is emotional on the field/sidelines and has never taken a personal foul or been suspended and has 5 SB rings and multiple MVPs is viewed one way

and the supremely talented, and also emotional player, who has had his emotions hurt his team, and hasn't exactly performed his best on the biggest stage isn't viewed that same way?

I agree, double standard and there should be.

So you start by asking "what double standard?" and then admit that there is a double standard.

And the double standard goes way beyond the 5 SB rings. You'd have to be blind to not see that. But maybe this can be another J.D. Drew debate!
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13727742 Bill L said:
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For me, it's easy...

What I want Odell to continue to do:

Keep that competitive fire. Be passionate. Be demonstrative. Be himself.

What I don't want Odell to continue to do:

Take penalties that hurt the team. Get into altercations on the field.

I think most people feel that way. The post above you believes it's binary but I don't think so. People are capable of nuance.

But it's not, really. Beckham has been one of the most productive players in NFL history through the stage in his career where he is, and there are fans who openly want him off the team, at any cost. That's not nuance. That's completely binary.
RE: yea, what pj said  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13727762 Rocky369 said:
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except Brady's spent more time suspended than Odell

+1
RE: What's the double standard?  
rocco8112 : 12/6/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13727725 pjcas18 said:
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the player who is emotional on the field/sidelines and has never taken a personal foul or been suspended and has 5 SB rings and multiple MVPs is viewed one way

and the supremely talented, and also emotional player, who has had his emotions hurt his team, and hasn't exactly performed his best on the biggest stage isn't viewed that same way?

I agree, double standard and there should be.


Well this post pretty much sums it up.
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Victor in CT : 12/6/2017 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13727735 arcarsenal said:
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For me, it's easy...

What I want Odell to continue to do:

Keep that competitive fire. Be passionate. Be demonstrative. Be himself.

What I don't want Odell to continue to do:

Take penalties that hurt the team. Get into altercations on the field.


Perfectly said arc
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 1:36 pm : link
Forget all of the other stuff - just isolate the sideline stuff.

Beckham's outbursts are characterized as "tantrums" or him losing control while Brady's are characterized as "fiery" and "passionate"

That's what I think is unfair.

Beckham should be criticized when he takes a penalty that hurts his team.

Travis Kelce has taken about 5x as many of those types of penalties but he's the most productive TE in the league right now. I don't see anyone characterizing him as some sort of malcontent that KC should rid themselves of.
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Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13727772 rocco8112 said:
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the player who is emotional on the field/sidelines and has never taken a personal foul or been suspended and has 5 SB rings and multiple MVPs is viewed one way

and the supremely talented, and also emotional player, who has had his emotions hurt his team, and hasn't exactly performed his best on the biggest stage isn't viewed that same way?

I agree, double standard and there should be.



Well this post pretty much sums it up.

Well, not exactly.
RE: RE: What's the double standard?  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13727763 Gatorade Dunk said:
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the player who is emotional on the field/sidelines and has never taken a personal foul or been suspended and has 5 SB rings and multiple MVPs is viewed one way

and the supremely talented, and also emotional player, who has had his emotions hurt his team, and hasn't exactly performed his best on the biggest stage isn't viewed that same way?

I agree, double standard and there should be.


So you start by asking "what double standard?" and then admit that there is a double standard.

And the double standard goes way beyond the 5 SB rings. You'd have to be blind to not see that. But maybe this can be another J.D. Drew debate!



I didn't say "what double standard?" I asked specifically what IS the double standard. Very different question, I wasn't implying there wasn't one, I was clarifying it and justifying it.

I think you earn some level of a pass with fans and the media when you're a 5 time SB winner and 4 time SB MVP and 12 time pro-bowler, multiple time NFL MVP, and probably the GOAT at his position whose on-field emotional outbursts (while they have received scorn) have not hurt his team.

and let's not kid ourselves, if Beckham simply was emotional on the field like Brady IMO no, he wouldn't be so scrutinized, the whole peeing in the end zone, the cheap shot on Norman, the kicking net embarrassment, is well beyond being emotional.

Anyone who suggests that we need to rid  
Keith : 12/6/2017 1:38 pm : link
ourselves of OBJ is a complete fool. Its really that simple.
RE: RE: RE: What's the double standard?  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13727779 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13727725 pjcas18 said:


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the player who is emotional on the field/sidelines and has never taken a personal foul or been suspended and has 5 SB rings and multiple MVPs is viewed one way

and the supremely talented, and also emotional player, who has had his emotions hurt his team, and hasn't exactly performed his best on the biggest stage isn't viewed that same way?

I agree, double standard and there should be.



Well this post pretty much sums it up.


Well, not exactly.


Sorry, I'll clarify, not suspended for emotional on-field incidents - which is obvious to the non-pedantic among us that is what's being compared here.
RE: Anyone who suggests that we need to rid  
Jay on the Island : 12/6/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13727781 Keith said:
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ourselves of OBJ is a complete fool. Its really that simple.

Agreed. You do not trade away a young talent like Odell
Francessa has been vocal about the Giants' handling of OBJ.  
81_Great_Dane : 12/6/2017 1:41 pm : link
I can never tell whether he has inside information, or is just bloviating. He's super-connected but I don't think he always uses those connections before he goes off.

If it's true that the Giants' handling of Beckham has caused dissension in the locker room, the next coach is going to have to fix the dissension. That doesn't mean everybody necessarily gets the same treatment, it means that everybody's on board with the same program.

There are rare talents that come along once in a decade, or in a generation, or even in a century. We've watched other teams get guys like Randy Moss and Aaron Rodgers and Reggie White and on and on. We got LT, but since he retired, how many times have we wished we had one of those guys on the Giants? We got one. Enjoy him while you can, because football careers are short and uncertain.

You could trade him for an entire first round of draft picks and still not be sure of getting a guy that good.
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pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13727787 Jay on the Island said:
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ourselves of OBJ is a complete fool. Its really that simple.


Agreed. You do not trade away a young talent like Odell


Absolutely, Beckham is a unique talent that you build around

for the pedantic  
Rocky369 : 12/6/2017 1:45 pm : link
suspended for emotions - not okay
suspended for cheating - okay

leave your team without it's best player for a game - not okay
leave your team without it's best player for multiple games - okay

I fail to see the double standard as well
Understand that everything Francessa says is self serving.  
Keith : 12/6/2017 1:46 pm : link
If a player doesn't do his interview or upsets big bad Mikey, that player will be on Francessa's sh*t list for the rest of his career.
RE: for the pedantic  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13727796 Rocky369 said:
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suspended for emotions - not okay
suspended for cheating - okay

leave your team without it's best player for a game - not okay
leave your team without it's best player for multiple games - okay

I fail to see the double standard as well


Did you view the instagram post? Clearly you didn't.

Beckham seemed to be implying (or at least posters on here have) that he and Brady on-field emotions were the same, yet Beckham was unfairly viewed negatively for it while Brady was not.

while Brady's suspension for deflategate was certainly a black mark on his legacy it was pretty much bullshit and wholly unrelated to the point beckham was making.

Nowhere did anyone, me specifically, say Brady's actions for deflategate were ok? Nowhere, yet for some reason you want to conflate that into this point for some reason (agenda?)
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UConn4523 : 12/6/2017 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13727759 Danny Kanell said:
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I know this has nothing to do with his on field performance etc but posts like this just make me like the guy less. I just think hes a complete douchebag. I also like watching him be awesome on the Giants. Is that an ok stance for some of you guys?


Of course it is (even though I don't agree). I really don't know why people care what he (or anyone else) has to say. I can also picture Odell taking 14 seconds to post that yet after reading the reactions people thinks he spends his entire day concocting this plan.
RE: Understand that everything Francessa says is self serving.  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13727800 Keith said:
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If a player doesn't do his interview or upsets big bad Mikey, that player will be on Francessa's sh*t list for the rest of his career.


Francessa was asked if he was the new GM would he get rid of Beckham and he did say no. I never really got the feeling that he hates Beckham. He's said numerous times that people need to stop caring what players do on their free time and that he'd resign him.
He has more tweets than receiving yards  
EricJ : 12/6/2017 2:01 pm : link
... over the past 12 months. He is great at playing the "victim" and takes absolutely no ownership or responsibility for the things that he has done to contribute to his situation.
what's my agenda?  
Rocky369 : 12/6/2017 2:03 pm : link
you misstated the facts, not me.

Brady has missed more games due to his actions than Beckham. According to your statements, we ignore Brady's actions and suspensions, but not Beckham's.

Beckham didn't play great in a playoff game. Brady led a 50 ppg team to the Super Bowl and scored how many points?

No one has earned or deserves a double standard.
RE: what's my agenda?  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13727847 Rocky369 said:
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you misstated the facts, not me.

Brady has missed more games due to his actions than Beckham. According to your statements, we ignore Brady's actions and suspensions, but not Beckham's.

Beckham didn't play great in a playoff game. Brady led a 50 ppg team to the Super Bowl and scored how many points?

No one has earned or deserves a double standard.


Ok.
Go Terps incoming  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/6/2017 2:05 pm : link
3...2....
RE: What wont go well?  
gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13727704 jlukes said:
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he posted a video of clips of Brady and him being very vocal and emotional on the field.

His tweets from earlier this week were spot on - it is a double standard.


You're right, it is a double standard. Brady has 5 rings and runs the offense, OBJ has won nothing, didn't show up in his one playoff game last year and acts like a child on the sideline. Case closed.
Beckham  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/6/2017 2:11 pm : link
lacks self - awareness.

The criticism of Beckham is not because of his passion on the field. We all love that about him.

It's because he pees like a god damned dog in the end zone, gets repeated 15 yard penalties without caring about the team ramifications and kisses a kicking net on the sideline, not to mention gets into a brawl with an opposing DB.

You can't have it both ways Odell. You are either a fiery competitor who respects the game and his teammates like Brady or you are a self-absorbed man-child.

Pick one.
The caption on his post is "Goat chasin."  
BigBluDawg : 12/6/2017 2:12 pm : link
Where did he complain about a double standard ??? Seems to me he's acknowledging that Brady is one of the greatest of all time and that's the status he wants to achieve.
and how many rings does OBJ own?  
SHO'NUFF : 12/6/2017 2:12 pm : link
maybe he should be more concerned with Eli than Brady...
RE: The caption on his post is  
Bill L : 12/6/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13727873 BigBluDawg said:
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Where did he complain about a double standard ??? Seems to me he's acknowledging that Brady is one of the greatest of all time and that's the status he wants to achieve.
There was a story within the past week where he was claiming that there was a double standard. This is a follow-up to that.
RE: RE: RE: Anyone who suggests that we need to rid  
gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13727791 pjcas18 said:
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ourselves of OBJ is a complete fool. Its really that simple.


Agreed. You do not trade away a young talent like Odell



Absolutely, Beckham is a unique talent that you build around


I don't see building around a WR, they are the last guy in the chain. This is the thinking JR has had which has left us with no O-line. You could have the best WR corps in history, but it's not gonna help when the QB is flat on his back. This O is putrid so it's pretty easy to double beckham on every play!
This was posted by his mom yesterday  
BigBlueHens : 12/6/2017 2:14 pm : link
He just reposted it, this video has been out for a day already. While he is spot on with the double standards, and it's a good comparison between himself and Brady, he won't get the respect because he doesn't have the rings like Brady. While Odell's antics hurt the team, and the penalties need to stop, the passion needs to continue.
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Matt M. : 12/6/2017 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13727703 arcarsenal said:
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He obviously looks up to Brady a good deal. I could think of about 500 worse players to idolize.

But I already know where this thread will predictably go...

He's not Brady, doesn't have the hardware, thus he shouldn't compare himself. Etc, etc. etc.
I don't think it's comparing himself as much as, in his mind, backing up his comments from the other day about the double standard. He's showing similar antics in Brady that Brady is praised for and he is criticized for.
who cares  
hitdog42 : 12/6/2017 2:16 pm : link
really... who cares?
so the teams best player looks up to tom brady... and is highlighting that passion has been key for tom... and its part of what drives him.

big sh$t... and so what if he feels like a victim a bit of overfocus on his negatives... really who cares? i dont.

the facts are this.
entered league and made a top 5 all time catch that put him on map in primetime playing against americas team and for NYCs team.
had best first 3yrs ever for a player.
Got into bad scuffle with Josh Norman.
Went on a boat then sucked in the game.

is there anything to get overemotional about here. THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM WANTS TO BE GREAT AND LOOKS UP TO TOM BRADY.

or you can be a out of touch with the current reality of sports and media person and act like he should just SHUT UP AND DO WHAT THE 86 GIANTS WOULD DO. or some other garbage.

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BigBluDawg : 12/6/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13727878 Bill L said:
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Where did he complain about a double standard ??? Seems to me he's acknowledging that Brady is one of the greatest of all time and that's the status he wants to achieve.

There was a story within the past week where he was claiming that there was a double standard. This is a follow-up to that.


Oh ok I must've missed that thread ... Thanks
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Bill L : 12/6/2017 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13727909 BigBluDawg said:
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In comment 13727873 BigBluDawg said:


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Where did he complain about a double standard ??? Seems to me he's acknowledging that Brady is one of the greatest of all time and that's the status he wants to achieve.

There was a story within the past week where he was claiming that there was a double standard. This is a follow-up to that.



Oh ok I must've missed that thread ... Thanks
I think that there were a few, but this is an example...
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13727887 Matt M. said:
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He obviously looks up to Brady a good deal. I could think of about 500 worse players to idolize.

But I already know where this thread will predictably go...

He's not Brady, doesn't have the hardware, thus he shouldn't compare himself. Etc, etc. etc.

I don't think it's comparing himself as much as, in his mind, backing up his comments from the other day about the double standard. He's showing similar antics in Brady that Brady is praised for and he is criticized for.


I think he has great respect for Brady and aspires to be on that level (albeit, at a different position)

But yes, obviously the point was to depict that he's often vilified for many of the same actions that Brady is praised for. Therein lies the double standard.

I think you can acknowledge that while also believing that Odell still has a little growing up to do.

But - if people haven't noticed, the further ahead we get, the further back people have to reach to point out things he's done that bother them.

The dog pissing celebration was literally his worst offense this year. He didn't do a single other thing that hurt the team.

The kicking net thing is a serious reach. I still don't know why people bring that up or why it matters. It's no different than a pitcher giving up a grand slam and going into the dugout and taking it out on all the water coolers. Never understood why that mattered.

Or why defensive players on this team don't get any negative attention for having their own little night out the week of the playoff game @ Lambeau. Hell, Sterling Shepard never even gets shit for it.. and he was right there with Beckham.
Beckham is a weird dude.  
Overseer : 12/6/2017 2:28 pm : link
Hyper-aware of any and all criticism against him and seemingly unable to brush it off. Insofar as his antics are comparable to Brady's (they're not, really), I suspect the latter is duly distracted from reactions to them by lots of lots of silver trophies.

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Totally separate from this: I'd be trying to find a sucker if I were the Giants. Unlikely, but if anyone really bites (Herschel-esque), it would be unwise not to listen. Especially coming off injury and soon due a gargantuan contract.

The Giants - for all their drafting flaws - have not had trouble finding receivers (Beckham, Shepard, Engram just in the past few years).
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:30 pm : link
Jerry Reese was the reason we've been so adept at finding WR's. He's gone now. Can't just assume that will continue.
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Matt M. : 12/6/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13727915 arcarsenal said:
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He obviously looks up to Brady a good deal. I could think of about 500 worse players to idolize.

But I already know where this thread will predictably go...

He's not Brady, doesn't have the hardware, thus he shouldn't compare himself. Etc, etc. etc.

I don't think it's comparing himself as much as, in his mind, backing up his comments from the other day about the double standard. He's showing similar antics in Brady that Brady is praised for and he is criticized for.



I think he has great respect for Brady and aspires to be on that level (albeit, at a different position)

But yes, obviously the point was to depict that he's often vilified for many of the same actions that Brady is praised for. Therein lies the double standard.

I think you can acknowledge that while also believing that Odell still has a little growing up to do.

But - if people haven't noticed, the further ahead we get, the further back people have to reach to point out things he's done that bother them.

The dog pissing celebration was literally his worst offense this year. He didn't do a single other thing that hurt the team.

The kicking net thing is a serious reach. I still don't know why people bring that up or why it matters. It's no different than a pitcher giving up a grand slam and going into the dugout and taking it out on all the water coolers. Never understood why that mattered.

Or why defensive players on this team don't get any negative attention for having their own little night out the week of the playoff game @ Lambeau. Hell, Sterling Shepard never even gets shit for it.. and he was right there with Beckham.
I agree with you, with the exception being pitchers using their throwing hand (remember Kevin Brown) to hit a cooler, wall, etc. But, I didn't find the kicking net thing a big deal. I do find his celebrations problematic, because he has been flagged on more than a couple of occasions already.
The kicking the net thing was 100% tv-driven  
Bill L : 12/6/2017 2:32 pm : link
they made a super big deal out of it every time he left the field and into the next game when he kissed it. In reality, it's not even close to a thing. People slam helmets, chirp, do all kinds of things on the sideline when frustrated. Heck, what about the Redskin QB...shit, which one was it...who concussed himself headbutting a wall? Sideline stuff, is no problem for me. Drawing a penalty hurts. Especially when your kicker puts it out of bounds after the penalty and kickoff.
RE: Beckham is a weird dude.  
haper : 12/6/2017 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13727929 Overseer said:
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but if anyone really bites (Herschel-esque), it would be unwise not to listen. Especially coming off injury and soon due a gargantuan contract.

i would listen too, but i seriously doubt you'll get value for him bc of the injury
RE: This was posted by his mom yesterday  
gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13727884 BigBlueHens said:
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He just reposted it, this video has been out for a day already. While he is spot on with the double standards, and it's a good comparison between himself and Brady, he won't get the respect because he doesn't have the rings like Brady. While Odell's antics hurt the team, and the penalties need to stop, the passion needs to continue.


When you compare yourself to Brady when you have won nothing you are asking for it!
He's right, there is a double standard  
Emil : 12/6/2017 2:35 pm : link
And it is primarily affected by winning. No one questions Brady's attitude because he is a 5 time Super Bowl champ and league MVP. If that was Cam Newton we'd never hear the end of it.

Also, take what Gronk did on Sunday. One of the dirtiest plays I'd ever soon. I'll bet you that Gronk will not be branded a bad guy for his behavior, as he is the leagues loveable giant goon. (For the record, I love watching Gronk play). It's just Gronk being Grong right?

Or Kelce in Kansas City who I think has been fined more than any other player over the past three seasons. By KC is usually pushing for a playoff spot, and they play in a smaller media market. He doesn't get the scrutiny OBJ does. I got no problem with OBJ calling out the double standard. Sure OBJ has painted a target on his back and I wish he hadn't, but he isn't the only one. The sports news world doesn't even get overly upset when Antonio Brown is face timing while his coach is speaking or when he shows you pleased he was that the opposing LB got knocked out of the game.

Plenty of evidence there is a double standard, not just the Brady sideline explosion. Notice Brady's answer "it's just football." That's OBJ's answer all the time and he never gets away with it.
RE: The kicking the net thing was 100% tv-driven  
gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13727938 Bill L said:
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they made a super big deal out of it every time he left the field and into the next game when he kissed it. In reality, it's not even close to a thing. People slam helmets, chirp, do all kinds of things on the sideline when frustrated. Heck, what about the Redskin QB...shit, which one was it...who concussed himself headbutting a wall? Sideline stuff, is no problem for me. Drawing a penalty hurts. Especially when your kicker puts it out of bounds after the penalty and kickoff.


Yeah there is tons of video out there of players proposing to kicking nets. It just screams of "Hey, look at me!" and acts as a distraction to the rest of the team. The guy needs to grow up and don't even think of comparing yourself to Brady until you have won SOMETHING!
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:41 pm : link
Excessive celebration stuff - 100% - but look at the circuses that we see after every TD now. It's hard to get penalized for it since they've changed that rule.

I think people need to take a hard look at their reasoning behind their criticism. Do you really think the player is a negative to the football team or do you just really dislike the person?

I suspect most negative opinions of him are rooted heavily in the latter and those same people try to craft narratives based on the former to drive their agenda.

Be honest with yourself when you think about this player. He had one very forgettable day in 2015. He's taken a couple of other stupid penalties. That's about it. Stop with the kicking net. It's no different than a player flipping a cooler after a bad series. Happens almost every fucking week. Spare me.

Now, weigh that against the dynamic, game-breaking ability he's displayed on the football field.

It's an easy call for me.
I don't have an issue with it  
moespree : 12/6/2017 2:42 pm : link
But one thing I will say is he seems very sensitive. Every little thing seems to bother him if it's even in a small way negative. Now some people are like that so I'm not blaming him. Everyone is different. My only point is it's not going get any easier as a pro athlete if you let those things bother you. You have to shrug some of it off sometimes.
RE: He's right, there is a double standard  
arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13727949 Emil said:
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And it is primarily affected by winning. No one questions Brady's attitude because he is a 5 time Super Bowl champ and league MVP. If that was Cam Newton we'd never hear the end of it.

Also, take what Gronk did on Sunday. One of the dirtiest plays I'd ever soon. I'll bet you that Gronk will not be branded a bad guy for his behavior, as he is the leagues loveable giant goon. (For the record, I love watching Gronk play). It's just Gronk being Grong right?

Or Kelce in Kansas City who I think has been fined more than any other player over the past three seasons. By KC is usually pushing for a playoff spot, and they play in a smaller media market. He doesn't get the scrutiny OBJ does. I got no problem with OBJ calling out the double standard. Sure OBJ has painted a target on his back and I wish he hadn't, but he isn't the only one. The sports news world doesn't even get overly upset when Antonio Brown is face timing while his coach is speaking or when he shows you pleased he was that the opposing LB got knocked out of the game.

Plenty of evidence there is a double standard, not just the Brady sideline explosion. Notice Brady's answer "it's just football." That's OBJ's answer all the time and he never gets away with it.


I mentioned Kelce earlier. He's been fined several times and has taken about 5x more personal foul penalties than Beckham has. Yet, I never seem to read about how Travis Kelce is a team cancer or a guy KC should be looking to trade away or get rid of.

In fact, Andy Reid made him a team captain.

Maybe he just needs some sort of altercation with a kicking net to convince people.
RE: RE: The kicking the net thing was 100% tv-driven  
Bill L : 12/6/2017 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13727958 gmenatlarge said:
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they made a super big deal out of it every time he left the field and into the next game when he kissed it. In reality, it's not even close to a thing. People slam helmets, chirp, do all kinds of things on the sideline when frustrated. Heck, what about the Redskin QB...shit, which one was it...who concussed himself headbutting a wall? Sideline stuff, is no problem for me. Drawing a penalty hurts. Especially when your kicker puts it out of bounds after the penalty and kickoff.



Yeah there is tons of video out there of players proposing to kicking nets. It just screams of "Hey, look at me!" and acts as a distraction to the rest of the team. The guy needs to grow up and don't even think of comparing yourself to Brady until you have won SOMETHING!
I would almost bet money that when most of the team saw him do it, they were watching tv. I doubt anyone was unable to function on the field because they were distracted by OBJ
RE: He has more tweets than receiving yards  
ajr2456 : 12/6/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13727840 EricJ said:
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... over the past 12 months. He is great at playing the "victim" and takes absolutely no ownership or responsibility for the things that he has done to contribute to his situation.


You have more posts here than receiving yards the past 12 months
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gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13727966 arcarsenal said:
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Excessive celebration stuff - 100% - but look at the circuses that we see after every TD now. It's hard to get penalized for it since they've changed that rule.

I think people need to take a hard look at their reasoning behind their criticism. Do you really think the player is a negative to the football team or do you just really dislike the person?

I suspect most negative opinions of him are rooted heavily in the latter and those same people try to craft narratives based on the former to drive their agenda.

Be honest with yourself when you think about this player. He had one very forgettable day in 2015. He's taken a couple of other stupid penalties. That's about it. Stop with the kicking net. It's no different than a player flipping a cooler after a bad series. Happens almost every fucking week. Spare me.

Now, weigh that against the dynamic, game-breaking ability he's displayed on the football field.

It's an easy call for me.


What are you talking about "craft a narrative" he provides this stupid shit himself, you don't have to craft anything. All he has to do is grow up a little bit and he won't be a target for DB's to get under his skin. And oh yeah, show up in a playoff game like Eli does!!!!
RE: I don't have an issue with it  
arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13727971 moespree said:
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But one thing I will say is he seems very sensitive. Every little thing seems to bother him if it's even in a small way negative. Now some people are like that so I'm not blaming him. Everyone is different. My only point is it's not going get any easier as a pro athlete if you let those things bother you. You have to shrug some of it off sometimes.


He does, and I think you're right - he is very sensitive.

I also think it's hard to level with someone in his position. It's easy to comment on how a guy should or shouldn't carry himself as a non-celebrity.

I have no idea how I would handle myself if thousands of people were providing commentary on my every breath. Some players handle it really well and know how to block out the noise, other guys struggle with it.

It's usually pretty easy for me - if a guy isn't getting into any legal trouble and isn't causing dissension amongst his teammates, what he does off the field really means nothing to me.

My hope is that as Odell gets older, he'll continue to grow as a person and block out all the outside bullshit and just go out there and play football.
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13727994 gmenatlarge said:
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Excessive celebration stuff - 100% - but look at the circuses that we see after every TD now. It's hard to get penalized for it since they've changed that rule.

I think people need to take a hard look at their reasoning behind their criticism. Do you really think the player is a negative to the football team or do you just really dislike the person?

I suspect most negative opinions of him are rooted heavily in the latter and those same people try to craft narratives based on the former to drive their agenda.

Be honest with yourself when you think about this player. He had one very forgettable day in 2015. He's taken a couple of other stupid penalties. That's about it. Stop with the kicking net. It's no different than a player flipping a cooler after a bad series. Happens almost every fucking week. Spare me.

Now, weigh that against the dynamic, game-breaking ability he's displayed on the football field.

It's an easy call for me.



What are you talking about "craft a narrative" he provides this stupid shit himself, you don't have to craft anything. All he has to do is grow up a little bit and he won't be a target for DB's to get under his skin. And oh yeah, show up in a playoff game like Eli does!!!!


How do you feel about AJ Green? Does he bother you as much as Beckham does?

Be honest.
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:53 pm : link
And perhaps you need to be reminded of what Eli Manning did in HIS first playoff game.

It wasn't pretty.
He's worried about a double standard  
HomerJones45 : 12/6/2017 2:56 pm : link
Has he apologized for destroying the team's Super Bowl chances with the boat trip yet?
RE: RE: He has more tweets than receiving yards  
EricJ : 12/6/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13727993 ajr2456 said:
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... over the past 12 months. He is great at playing the "victim" and takes absolutely no ownership or responsibility for the things that he has done to contribute to his situation.



You have more posts here than receiving yards the past 12 months


That's right... but I am not being paid to catch the fucking ball.
RE: He's worried about a double standard  
arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13728010 HomerJones45 said:
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Has he apologized for destroying the team's Super Bowl chances with the boat trip yet?


Sure, it was the boat trip... the defense giving up nearly 40 points had nothing to do with it.

Good lord.
RE: He's worried about a double standard  
EricJ : 12/6/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13728010 HomerJones45 said:
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Has he apologized for destroying the team's Super Bowl chances with the boat trip yet?


oh come on.. this again? We lost to the Pack because we were the inferior team and we were out coached... period.
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gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13728003 arcarsenal said:
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And perhaps you need to be reminded of what Eli Manning did in HIS first playoff game.

It wasn't pretty.


I think OBJ left out the part where Brady peed like a dog in the end zone, proposed to a kicking net and tried to spear another player, pretty selective. Don't compare yourself to Brady you're just embarrassing yourself!
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 3:01 pm : link
Way to completely ignore both of my points.

Maybe if you add more exclamation points you'll be more convincing!!!!!!!
I hated the net proposal thing, thought that was stupid  
Andy in Halifax : 12/6/2017 3:05 pm : link
But otherwise I have been 100% supportive of OBJ. Think he gets treated unfairly by many fans. He seems like a good person, exceptionally hard working and a gifted athlete. We're lucky to have him.
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gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13728022 arcarsenal said:
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Way to completely ignore both of my points.

Maybe if you add more exclamation points you'll be more convincing!!!!!!!


You make up your own reasons for other people's thinking I don't care or need to address that. As far as AJ Green, who gives a shit, that's just what-about-isms which could go on ad nauseum. If you want to keep making excuses for this clown go ahead, I'm not saying trade him, he just needs to grow up. And comparing yourself to Brady just doesn't fly at this point when you have won exactly nothing!
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13728033 gmenatlarge said:
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Way to completely ignore both of my points.

Maybe if you add more exclamation points you'll be more convincing!!!!!!!



You make up your own reasons for other people's thinking I don't care or need to address that. As far as AJ Green, who gives a shit, that's just what-about-isms which could go on ad nauseum. If you want to keep making excuses for this clown go ahead, I'm not saying trade him, he just needs to grow up. And comparing yourself to Brady just doesn't fly at this point when you have won exactly nothing!


Just funny to me that you're saying he should show up for playoff games like Eli did...

Eli was absolutely pitiful in his first playoff game. 10 completions, 113 yards, 0 TD's and 3 INT's.

But for fans like you, the book is closed on Beckham after one playoff game. Nevermind the fact that players like Rice. Brown, Green, and countless other high profile WR's had very non-descript playoff debuts.
RE: RE: RE: .  
gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13728037 arcarsenal said:
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Way to completely ignore both of my points.

Maybe if you add more exclamation points you'll be more convincing!!!!!!!



You make up your own reasons for other people's thinking I don't care or need to address that. As far as AJ Green, who gives a shit, that's just what-about-isms which could go on ad nauseum. If you want to keep making excuses for this clown go ahead, I'm not saying trade him, he just needs to grow up. And comparing yourself to Brady just doesn't fly at this point when you have won exactly nothing!



Just funny to me that you're saying he should show up for playoff games like Eli did...

Eli was absolutely pitiful in his first playoff game. 10 completions, 113 yards, 0 TD's and 3 INT's.

But for fans like you, the book is closed on Beckham after one playoff game. Nevermind the fact that players like Rice. Brown, Green, and countless other high profile WR's had very non-descript playoff debuts.


Just to remind you Eli owns 2 SB MVPs, what does OBJ have most valuable dog-peeing or most moronic sideline show. This guy needs to clean up his act before he compares himself to Brady and fans like you defend it!
I love this. Complete double standard.  
larryflower37 : 12/6/2017 3:21 pm : link
Fuck em.
I support OBJ completely.
Some of the same people saying draft Mayfield are saying OBJ needs to settle down.
It's tough..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/6/2017 3:22 pm : link
to have conversations because you get posts with mistruths or half-truths in them:

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What's the double standard?
pjcas18 : 1:16 pm : link : reply
the player who is emotional on the field/sidelines and has never taken a personal foul or been suspended


Then, the suspension gets labeled as not an on-the-field one like deflated balls were used in the garage.

Look - Beckham acts like an immature idiot at times. It's OK to admit it, but acting as if Brady has never taken a personal foul or been suspended when he has:

- Been suspended for more games than Beckham AND
- Has 3 flags for unsportsmanlike conduct (not personal fouls, so I guess it is splitting hairs)

Not sure why that even needed to be posted.
We're comparing Beckham and Brady now?  
Go Terps : 12/6/2017 3:25 pm : link
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RE: It's tough..  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13728050 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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to have conversations because you get posts with mistruths or half-truths in them:



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What's the double standard?
pjcas18 : 1:16 pm : link : reply
the player who is emotional on the field/sidelines and has never taken a personal foul or been suspended



Then, the suspension gets labeled as not an on-the-field one like deflated balls were used in the garage.

Look - Beckham acts like an immature idiot at times. It's OK to admit it, but acting as if Brady has never taken a personal foul or been suspended when he has:

- Been suspended for more games than Beckham AND
- Has 3 flags for unsportsmanlike conduct (not personal fouls, so I guess it is splitting hairs)

Not sure why that even needed to be posted.


Obviously, I assumed, my mistake, people had the mental depth to apply that statement to Beckham's "claims" based on the Instagram video related to on-field emotional displays.

Brady was suspended for conduct detrimental to the league for failing to comply with the investigation - obviously I wasn't referring to that.

If Beckham's emotional displays were limited to the same ones Brady exhibited in the instagram do you really believe people would have criticized Beckham for them?

You know the answer to that.

it's no.

And even if they were similar, but Beckham had the accolades and success Brady has, do you think he'd be criticized, but Brady wouldn't be?

Again, you know the answer to that.

It's no.

So the double standard exists b/c the two have different levels of success on-field and Brady's on-field emotion has not hurt his team.

That was the point, but please focus on the not so relevant points that are unrelated.
RE: I hated the net proposal thing, thought that was stupid  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/6/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13728028 Andy in Halifax said:
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But otherwise I have been 100% supportive of OBJ. Think he gets treated unfairly by many fans. He seems like a good person, exceptionally hard working and a gifted athlete. We're lucky to have him.


This +1. So glad they aren't going to be stupid enough to trade him. Hopefully get an extension before next year.
Is it really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/6/2017 3:47 pm : link
just too much to ask to keep the ancillary fluff out of it?

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That was the point, but please focus on the not so relevant points that are unrelated.


I'm focusing on untrue and unnecessary points that detract from the point.

If you said what you said above that's perfect. Not sure why additional details - that aren't even true were provided.
RE: We're comparing Beckham and Brady now?  
gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13728052 Go Terps said:
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We weren't but Beckham had to tweet comparing himself to Brady (GOAT?) because he's been on the sidelines and no one is paying attention to him. (Hey, look at me!)
he didnt compare his career to brady  
hitdog42 : 12/6/2017 3:56 pm : link
he compared his passion.

the "grow up" comments... actually should go towards those obsessing over these things...
RE: Is it really..  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13728085 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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just too much to ask to keep the ancillary fluff out of it?



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That was the point, but please focus on the not so relevant points that are unrelated.



I'm focusing on untrue and unnecessary points that detract from the point.

If you said what you said above that's perfect. Not sure why additional details - that aren't even true were provided.


Fair enough. Point taken.
RE: he didnt compare his career to brady  
Go Terps : 12/6/2017 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13728112 hitdog42 said:
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he compared his passion.

the "grow up" comments... actually should go towards those obsessing over these things...


Like the people that would actually follow him on Instagram?

One other comment from that video:  
Overseer : 12/6/2017 4:20 pm : link
Rap fucking sucks these days. It's such unimaginative, auto-tuned trash. Like a botched cross between shitty club & and shitty hip hop. Drake is awful. I know Kendrick Lamar is crazy popular. I think he sucks too.

Not even a "in my day...!" type commentary. I think there's tons of good music these days...Arctic Monkeys being an example of a sick 21st century band...but rap is seriously struggling right now.

Brb going to throw on Illmatic to wash the shit outta my ears.

RE: I don't have an issue with it  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13727971 moespree said:
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But one thing I will say is he seems very sensitive. Every little thing seems to bother him if it's even in a small way negative. Now some people are like that so I'm not blaming him. Everyone is different. My only point is it's not going get any easier as a pro athlete if you let those things bother you. You have to shrug some of it off sometimes.

This is purely speculation on my part, but I would posit that the same personality that makes him highly sensitive to criticism is what drives him to work hard and prove himself on the field. It's tough to separate the two, IMO.
RE: Beckham  
mdc1 : 12/6/2017 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13727872 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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lacks self - awareness.

The criticism of Beckham is not because of his passion on the field. We all love that about him.

It's because he pees like a god damned dog in the end zone, gets repeated 15 yard penalties without caring about the team ramifications and kisses a kicking net on the sideline, not to mention gets into a brawl with an opposing DB.

You can't have it both ways Odell. You are either a fiery competitor who respects the game and his teammates like Brady or you are a self-absorbed man-child.

Pick one.


This guy never met a mirror, microphone or twitter opportunity he did not like. If only he had that some obsession with his on field play and going about his business.
Kendrick Lamar sucks??  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2017 4:37 pm : link
Wow I didn't think this thread could get any worse.
RE: RE: RE: RE: .  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13728044 gmenatlarge said:
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Way to completely ignore both of my points.

Maybe if you add more exclamation points you'll be more convincing!!!!!!!



You make up your own reasons for other people's thinking I don't care or need to address that. As far as AJ Green, who gives a shit, that's just what-about-isms which could go on ad nauseum. If you want to keep making excuses for this clown go ahead, I'm not saying trade him, he just needs to grow up. And comparing yourself to Brady just doesn't fly at this point when you have won exactly nothing!



Just funny to me that you're saying he should show up for playoff games like Eli did...

Eli was absolutely pitiful in his first playoff game. 10 completions, 113 yards, 0 TD's and 3 INT's.

But for fans like you, the book is closed on Beckham after one playoff game. Nevermind the fact that players like Rice. Brown, Green, and countless other high profile WR's had very non-descript playoff debuts.



Just to remind you Eli owns 2 SB MVPs, what does OBJ have most valuable dog-peeing or most moronic sideline show. This guy needs to clean up his act before he compares himself to Brady and fans like you defend it!

Thank you for showing everyone on this thread what a blind anti-Beckham agenda looks like.

Beckham had the most prolific first three seasons in NFL history for a WR. But in your mind, he has nothing but a distasteful TD celebration (in what was a highly charged week across the NFL) and then a series of actions mocking the media for making a big deal out of him tossing the kicking net.

I'm just thankful that you won't be on the Giants' interview list for GM. What a joke of a fan you are.
RE: Kendrick Lamar sucks??  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/6/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13728182 Kyle in NY said:
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Wow I didn't think this thread could get any worse.


Right, this thread seriously needs an abortion. Epic failure on so many levels.
RE: RE: Beckham  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13728180 mdc1 said:
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lacks self - awareness.

The criticism of Beckham is not because of his passion on the field. We all love that about him.

It's because he pees like a god damned dog in the end zone, gets repeated 15 yard penalties without caring about the team ramifications and kisses a kicking net on the sideline, not to mention gets into a brawl with an opposing DB.

You can't have it both ways Odell. You are either a fiery competitor who respects the game and his teammates like Brady or you are a self-absorbed man-child.

Pick one.



This guy never met a mirror, microphone or twitter opportunity he did not like. If only he had that some obsession with his on field play and going about his business.

All-star crew right here.

He's not obsessed with his on-field play? Ok, if you say so.
RE: RE: We're comparing Beckham and Brady now?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/6/2017 4:42 pm : link
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We weren't but Beckham had to tweet comparing himself to Brady (GOAT?) because he's been on the sidelines and no one is paying attention to him. (Hey, look at me!)

The caption "GOAT chasin" fully implies that he knows he's not on Brady's level. But that doesn't fit your slanted narrative, so why mention it?
He's correct it is a double standard between the two  
montanagiant : 12/6/2017 4:53 pm : link
But it's a double standard of his own creation.
I don't see Brady head hunting a player, I don't see Brady mimicking a dog pissing. You can't view those separately they have to be taken into account if he's comparing both
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UConn4523 : 12/6/2017 5:10 pm : link
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RE: Kendrick Lamar sucks??  
Overseer : 12/6/2017 5:10 pm : link
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Wow I didn't think this thread could get any worse.

Yes, he does.

Few things more subjective than music, obviously, but I gave the guy a fair chance after hearing so much praise and I was surprised by how underwhelmed I was. I hated it.

This is considered one of his better songs, no? Ridiculous lyrics and wack vocal effects which are so distracting.

All good if you like it. Again, good music is subjective, and I know he's widely respected by other musicians. But it and so much other contemporary rap just sounds like shit to me compared to Nas, Gangstarr, early Roots, prime Eminem, Common, Tribe, etc etc.

I can't believe how popular Drake is.

RE: RE: Beckham  
Keith : 12/6/2017 5:12 pm : link
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lacks self - awareness.

The criticism of Beckham is not because of his passion on the field. We all love that about him.

It's because he pees like a god damned dog in the end zone, gets repeated 15 yard penalties without caring about the team ramifications and kisses a kicking net on the sideline, not to mention gets into a brawl with an opposing DB.

You can't have it both ways Odell. You are either a fiery competitor who respects the game and his teammates like Brady or you are a self-absorbed man-child.

Pick one.



This guy never met a mirror, microphone or twitter opportunity he did not like. If only he had that some obsession with his on field play and going about his business.


Man, some people are so clueless, yet they talk like they know what they are talking about. This guy busts his a** honing his craft. If you want to knock his ego, fine. If you want to knock his social media activity, fine. If you want to knock his immaturity, fine. To suggest that he isn't obsessed with being a great WR is just plain stupid.
Overseer  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2017 5:20 pm : link
We don't have to get into a music debate on an OBJ thread. But no, that is not one of his better songs. No fan of his considers that anywhere near one of his better songs. It was a radio hit. But if I were ranking his songs, that falls somewhere towards the bottom of the list. Evaluating any artist based on what's popular on the radio is faulty.

If you could poll those artists you mentioned (all great, I agree)), I bet they'd universally agree on the quality of Kendrick. Give Section 80 and Good Kid Maad City a try
Comparing Brady and Beckham  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/6/2017 5:33 pm : link
Is like comparing a Peter Luger's steak to Purina dog food.
Good Kid Maad City  
UConn4523 : 12/6/2017 5:34 pm : link
is probably my favorite album of any genre over the last 5 years or so - no worse than top 3.
Kyle - no doubt true on the last point  
Overseer : 12/6/2017 5:38 pm : link
I'm not a gratuitous Kendrick hater...I went in wanting to like him because most rap I'm listening to is 10+ years old (new Jay-Z and a couple others excepted).

I'm just really down on the state of rap music right now. Guitar-centric 80s & 90s rock evolved into something different but still solid with your Arctic Monkeys/Queens of the Stone Age/Strokes/LCD/Black Keys/Tame Impala/etc. but I just have not seen the same solid evolution from rap.

I'll leave it at that so as not to further miller a football thread.

RE: Good Kid Maad City  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2017 5:43 pm : link
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is probably my favorite album of any genre over the last 5 years or so - no worse than top 3.


Agreed, it's damn close to perfect
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 6:15 pm : link
Why do people think the idea here is to compare Brady and Beckham 1:1?

It amazes me the way the crux of certain topics just get completely lost on people. Odell Beckham doesn't think he's the equivalent of Tom Brady, nor do any fans.

Sigh..

Anyway - Good Kid mAAd City is a fantastic album. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

(Kidding.. I do love that record though)
RE: Overseer  
markky : 12/6/2017 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13728246 Kyle in NY said:
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We don't have to get into a music debate on an OBJ thread. But no, that is not one of his better songs. No fan of his considers that anywhere near one of his better songs. It was a radio hit. But if I were ranking his songs, that falls somewhere towards the bottom of the list. Evaluating any artist based on what's popular on the radio is faulty.

If you could poll those artists you mentioned (all great, I agree)), I bet they'd universally agree on the quality of Kendrick. Give Section 80 and Good Kid Maad City a try


i don't see anyone defending Drake! Drake is one of the worst singers i've ever heard. cannot carry a tune. a male Demi Lovato.
RE: RE: Beckham's demonstrations on the sidelines may resemble  
GeofromNJ : 12/6/2017 8:09 pm : link
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those of Brady, but sideline demonstrations are not the issue with Beckham. It's his behavior on the field that has cost the Giants yardage and, at times, games. Brady has never cost his team yardage or games.



What game has Odell cost the Giants?
The Panthers, 2015. I think if Odell had not allowed himself to be baited, the Giants would have won the game.
RE: RE: RE: Beckham's demonstrations on the sidelines may resemble  
ajr2456 : 12/6/2017 8:18 pm : link
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those of Brady, but sideline demonstrations are not the issue with Beckham. It's his behavior on the field that has cost the Giants yardage and, at times, games. Brady has never cost his team yardage or games.



What game has Odell cost the Giants?

The Panthers, 2015. I think if Odell had not allowed himself to be baited, the Giants would have won the game.


They lost game because the defense let the Panthers go down the field in 30 seconds. Odell scored the game tying touchdown, and they scored 35.
RE: RE: Overseer  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2017 9:21 pm : link
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We don't have to get into a music debate on an OBJ thread. But no, that is not one of his better songs. No fan of his considers that anywhere near one of his better songs. It was a radio hit. But if I were ranking his songs, that falls somewhere towards the bottom of the list. Evaluating any artist based on what's popular on the radio is faulty.

If you could poll those artists you mentioned (all great, I agree)), I bet they'd universally agree on the quality of Kendrick. Give Section 80 and Good Kid Maad City a try



i don't see anyone defending Drake! Drake is one of the worst singers i've ever heard. cannot carry a tune. a male Demi Lovato.


I actually like Drake too. But I decided to pick my battles
RE: RE: RE: We're comparing Beckham and Brady now?  
gmenatlarge : 12/8/2017 9:21 am : link
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We weren't but Beckham had to tweet comparing himself to Brady (GOAT?) because he's been on the sidelines and no one is paying attention to him. (Hey, look at me!)


The caption "GOAT chasin" fully implies that he knows he's not on Brady's level. But that doesn't fit your slanted narrative, so why mention it?


What slanted narrative, just calling it like it is, when you compare yourself to a 5-time SB champ, you lose, no matter what caption you may add. You end up looking stupid and bringing ridicule on yourself, but hey at least you're being talked about and isn't that what he desperately needs...attention!
RE: RE: RE: RE: We're comparing Beckham and Brady now?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2017 10:53 am : link
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We weren't but Beckham had to tweet comparing himself to Brady (GOAT?) because he's been on the sidelines and no one is paying attention to him. (Hey, look at me!)


The caption "GOAT chasin" fully implies that he knows he's not on Brady's level. But that doesn't fit your slanted narrative, so why mention it?



What slanted narrative, just calling it like it is, when you compare yourself to a 5-time SB champ, you lose, no matter what caption you may add. You end up looking stupid and bringing ridicule on yourself, but hey at least you're being talked about and isn't that what he desperately needs...attention!

If you're that unaware of your own bias, I don't know what to tell you. But you're free to see things however you want. Just don't kid yourself that you're "calling it like it is."
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We're comparing Beckham and Brady now?  
gmenatlarge : 12/8/2017 11:10 am : link
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We weren't but Beckham had to tweet comparing himself to Brady (GOAT?) because he's been on the sidelines and no one is paying attention to him. (Hey, look at me!)


The caption "GOAT chasin" fully implies that he knows he's not on Brady's level. But that doesn't fit your slanted narrative, so why mention it?



What slanted narrative, just calling it like it is, when you compare yourself to a 5-time SB champ, you lose, no matter what caption you may add. You end up looking stupid and bringing ridicule on yourself, but hey at least you're being talked about and isn't that what he desperately needs...attention!


If you're that unaware of your own bias, I don't know what to tell you. But you're free to see things however you want. Just don't kid yourself that you're "calling it like it is."


Really not sure what "bias" you're talking about, you seem to have your own. We'll try this again- when you compare yourself to Brady when you have won absolutely nothing...you lose!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We're comparing Beckham and Brady now?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2017 11:13 am : link
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We weren't but Beckham had to tweet comparing himself to Brady (GOAT?) because he's been on the sidelines and no one is paying attention to him. (Hey, look at me!)


The caption "GOAT chasin" fully implies that he knows he's not on Brady's level. But that doesn't fit your slanted narrative, so why mention it?



What slanted narrative, just calling it like it is, when you compare yourself to a 5-time SB champ, you lose, no matter what caption you may add. You end up looking stupid and bringing ridicule on yourself, but hey at least you're being talked about and isn't that what he desperately needs...attention!


If you're that unaware of your own bias, I don't know what to tell you. But you're free to see things however you want. Just don't kid yourself that you're "calling it like it is."



Really not sure what "bias" you're talking about, you seem to have your own. We'll try this again- when you compare yourself to Brady when you have won absolutely nothing...you lose!

It was obvious based on the caption that he was saying that he aspires to be on Brady's level, but carry on.
this is just  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/8/2017 12:06 pm : link
another thread people should save and revisit when someone makes the claim that Team X has the worst/dumbest fans.

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