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Odell is back at the Giants facility working out

Keith : 12/6/2017 1:55 pm
without a boot on his foot. He's expected to make a full recovery.

Brandon Marshall was also back at the facility working out.
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Great news  
Jay on the Island : 12/6/2017 1:57 pm : link
I hope he doesn't push it. We need him at full strength for the OTA's to hopefully work with our next franchise QB.
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 1:57 pm : link
Wonder what happens with Marshall after this year. I believe we can save about ~5M in cap space if we cut him.

I'd kind of like to see him stay and get another shot here next year but there are obvious reasons why NYG would view it as more logical to cut ties.
Great to have them  
mrvax : 12/6/2017 1:58 pm : link
back just in time for the playoffs.
he would have been back sooner  
Rocky369 : 12/6/2017 1:58 pm : link
but he couldn't get off Twitter
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jnoble : 12/6/2017 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13727830 arcarsenal said:
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Wonder what happens with Marshall after this year. I believe we can save about ~5M in cap space if we cut him.

I'd kind of like to see him stay and get another shot here next year but there are obvious reasons why NYG would view it as more logical to cut ties.


in his limited action this year he sure didn't look very impressive
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mrvax : 12/6/2017 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13727830 arcarsenal said:
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Wonder what happens with Marshall after this year. I believe we can save about ~5M in cap space if we cut him.

I'd kind of like to see him stay and get another shot here next year but there are obvious reasons why NYG would view it as more logical to cut ties.


Spotrac: Potential Out: 2018, 1 yr, $5,468,750; $1,000,000 dead cap
Myers, was a  
Doomster : 12/6/2017 2:02 pm : link
better signing than Marshall, and Myers sucked...
RE: Myers, was a  
Giantology : 12/6/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13727845 Doomster said:
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better signing than Marshall, and Myers sucked...


What a stupid take. How in the world do you figure that, because Myers stayed healthy?
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13727838 jnoble said:
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In comment 13727830 arcarsenal said:


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Wonder what happens with Marshall after this year. I believe we can save about ~5M in cap space if we cut him.

I'd kind of like to see him stay and get another shot here next year but there are obvious reasons why NYG would view it as more logical to cut ties.



in his limited action this year he sure didn't look very impressive


He didn't - but this team was an absolute mess from jump street and he got banged up in the preseason.

There are several reasons why I feel like the ~4 games we saw him play probably aren't a good indication.

The drop in the Lions game was really bad. But he didn't even see a look in the Dallas game until the very end.

I'm a little biased - I like the guy and want to see him make amends for a disappointing 2017 here. But cap-wise, it probably makes more sense to cut ties.
I don't know what to think of Marshall.  
10 to 13 : 12/6/2017 2:13 pm : link
I'll preface by saying I was strongly in favor of the signing. While he didn't look great at the beginning of the season, it seemed like he was starting to come on before his injury. At the same time, I recall several Monday morning QB articles, with film shots, indicating opportunities where Marshall had gotten open and was either missed or not the read by Eli. On top of all of that, new guy in the system, poor line play, general broken-ness of the offense, etc. - I just feel like it's hard to make any determination on him.

TL;DR I don't think we saw enough and I'd be interested in bringing him back at the right price.
This is great news.  
Matt M. : 12/6/2017 2:13 pm : link
I actually think (gut feeling) Marshall is due for a bounce back year. It could very well be his last. I think the stink of this year is not how he would want to be remembered. His career has been very up and down. I think he has value if healthy.
Marshall didn't look like he wanted to get hit  
JonC : 12/6/2017 2:13 pm : link
not to mention the drops, and demonstrating again that if he's not involved early he disappears.

I'd move on.
The worst part of Marshall's injury  
Giantology : 12/6/2017 2:14 pm : link
Was it happened as he was just finally starting to look like he was getting a little comfortable with Eli and the offense.
I also thinnk that as much as we talk about this system  
Bill L : 12/6/2017 2:14 pm : link
being a poor fit for Eli's skills, I don't think it matched Marshall's any better.
i like BM as a person  
UESBLUE : 12/6/2017 2:16 pm : link
his deterorating skills are questionable. If hes willing to re-neg down, invite him back to camp. Another reason tho btw we need an experienced HC who can handle different personalities...
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kinard : 12/6/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13727838 jnoble said:


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"in his limited action this year [Beckham] sure didn't look very impressive"


Really? Guy played on a bum ankle for 3 1/2 games, caught 3 TDs, averaged about 7 catches and 75 yards a game (again, hurt). He made a TD catch in Philly that was one of the most magnificent catches you'll ever see. The Giants offense has been one of the worst in NFL history since he left.

Yes, his shitty, knucklehead behavior gives reason to pause before committing long-term to him. Question his behavior if you must, but don't question the talent. In the brief snapshot of him we saw in 2017 and considering his health, I thought the Beckham we saw on the field was pretty impressive...
Ha - I jumped the gun on you...  
kinard : 12/6/2017 2:18 pm : link
the quote you posted referred to Marshall and not Beckham. My bad and I happen to agree with you.
RE: I also thinnk that as much as we talk about this system  
arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13727885 Bill L said:
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being a poor fit for Eli's skills, I don't think it matched Marshall's any better.


I agree - it didn't seem like a good fit for him.

So, I'd like to see who we hire and what type of system they'll want to implement. It's possible it is a better fit.

My guess is the next guy will want to move on. But hey, who knows.
RE: I also thinnk that as much as we talk about this system  
gmenatlarge : 12/6/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13727885 Bill L said:
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being a poor fit for Eli's skills, I don't think it matched Marshall's any better.


I don't see how you can evaluate anyone's skills with this offense, no running game, no pass blocking and no screen game. This all thanks to JR as he was unable or unwilling to put any value into RB's or O-lineman!
Marshall sounded like  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2017 2:24 pm : link
he was going to hang the cleats up.
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Bill L : 12/6/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13727908 gmenatlarge said:
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being a poor fit for Eli's skills, I don't think it matched Marshall's any better.



I don't see how you can evaluate anyone's skills with this offense, no running game, no pass blocking and no screen game. This all thanks to JR as he was unable or unwilling to put any value into RB's or O-lineman!
I could be wrong, but I always pictured Marshall as more of a downfield, go up and get it, kind of player.
Another thing about this offense and Marshall  
Matt M. : 12/6/2017 2:33 pm : link
is not only the overwhelming amount of ridiculously short routes, but this offense coupled with this OL didn't allow for a lot of progression reads.
Great News  
Emil : 12/6/2017 2:37 pm : link
Good luck OBJ. Big blue needs its best player back.
RE: Marshall didn't look like he wanted to get hit  
Emil : 12/6/2017 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13727881 JonC said:
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not to mention the drops, and demonstrating again that if he's not involved early he disappears.

I'd move on.


I agree. When your big flanker does not want to take the contact any more he's no longer an asset.
Great news  
adamg : 12/6/2017 2:41 pm : link
I don't see the problem with giving Marshall another shot. It's like we have some world beaters behind him that we'd be benching. Unless they draft Anthony Miller... but that's my own personal dream that is just not likely to happen.

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Mr. Bungle : 12/6/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13727830 arcarsenal said:
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Wonder what happens with Marshall after this year. I believe we can save about ~5M in cap space if we cut him.

I'd kind of like to see him stay and get another shot here next year but there are obvious reasons why NYG would view it as more logical to cut ties.

Marshall was garbage before he got hurt. Keep that poster boy for losing off this team.
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arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 3:17 pm : link
The whole team was garbage, though.

Hard to really get a good evaluation on much of anyone who has played on this team this season.

Even Landon Collins has seemed to take a step back - though it has been reported that he has been playing through a HAS.

I'm not necessarily advocating to bring him back. I'm just not sure I can take much from what I saw from him in just 1/4 of a season on a new team under these circumstances.
Might as well keep Marshall  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2017 3:19 pm : link
it's one less hole to fill in the draft that can be used at another position.
Good news.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/6/2017 3:20 pm : link
Just get ready for next season.
Marshall will be cut IMO.  
LI NHB : 12/6/2017 3:23 pm : link
Couldn't show separation or hands in limited play, which also works against his case (durability).

I'd dump Marshall in a second  
BillT : 12/6/2017 3:25 pm : link
He couldn't have been less impressive. Invisible when he wasn't dropping passes. Time to move on. Engram should be out there anyway. He's not a TE in any real sense and has the skills/speed to be a WR.
RE: I'd dump Marshall in a second  
arcarsenal : 12/6/2017 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13728053 BillT said:
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He couldn't have been less impressive. Invisible when he wasn't dropping passes. Time to move on. Engram should be out there anyway. He's not a TE in any real sense and has the skills/speed to be a WR.


Using Engram as a TE off the line is exactly how you utilize the mismatches he presents against linebackers in the middle of the field. None of them can cover him.

He's going to see plenty of snaps out wide - but there's no reason to treat him as a pure WR. It diminishes his value.
RE: I'd dump Marshall in a second  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13728053 BillT said:
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He's not a TE in any real sense and has the skills/speed to be a WR.


This could use some breakdown. Because it's nonsense and you should defend your point.
RE: RE: I'd dump Marshall in a second  
BillT : 12/6/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13728061 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He's not a TE in any real sense and has the skills/speed to be a WR.



This could use some breakdown. Because it's nonsense and you should defend your point.

He's simply not big enough (236) to block at the end of the line like the average 250+ lb TE does. He's limited to being schemed to block safeties and the occasional LB. I think the Giants would be better served with he, Shepard and OBJ as the WRs and Adams/Ellison as the TEs. He could take Marshall's spot and the Giants could concentrate on upgrading other (OL!) positions
arc & TTH  
BillT : 12/6/2017 3:44 pm : link
Engram is a mismatch against CB as well. Runs 4.4s at 6'3" 236! That's legit WR speed in and over sized package. And I'm not saying 100% of the time on the outside but he's a liability at the end of the line as a blocker.

OBJ, Shepard, Engram at WR, Ellison/Adams at TE and they're set. The way it is now we're overloaded at TE and have a hole at WR. That's my take anyway.
Marshall sucked  
WillVAB : 12/6/2017 3:48 pm : link
But heís worth the risk/upside if the Giants donít need his money to sign someone else.
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Section331 : 12/6/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13727830 arcarsenal said:
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Wonder what happens with Marshall after this year. I believe we can save about ~5M in cap space if we cut him.

I'd kind of like to see him stay and get another shot here next year but there are obvious reasons why NYG would view it as more logical to cut ties.


I liked the Marshall signing, but no sense in throwing good money after bad. I don't see Marshall on the roster next year.
Marshall is done.  
Giant John : 12/6/2017 4:11 pm : link
One way or another he is gone.
RE: Might as well keep Marshall  
Bill L : 12/6/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13728046 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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it's one less hole to fill in the draft that can be used at another position.
I would agree with this. Heading into the season, a #2 WR was a huge need. It was a fatal one the previous season. Getting Engram mitigates that somewhat but I'd rather not being counting on a Lewis or King if I could help it.
RE: I don't know what to think of Marshall.  
rich79 : 12/6/2017 5:06 pm : link
Agree with you - we just don't know. I went back to the ESPN box scores for games 1-4, where targets for Marshal were 4, 5, 11, and 10. So they barely threw his way the first two games. I remember that wondering what was going on and what the plan was.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2017 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13728068 BillT said:
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In comment 13728061 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13728053 BillT said:


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He's not a TE in any real sense and has the skills/speed to be a WR.



This could use some breakdown. Because it's nonsense and you should defend your point.


He's simply not big enough (236) to block at the end of the line like the average 250+ lb TE does. He's limited to being schemed to block safeties and the occasional LB. I think the Giants would be better served with he, Shepard and OBJ as the WRs and Adams/Ellison as the TEs. He could take Marshall's spot and the Giants could concentrate on upgrading other (OL!) positions


If you believe that his weight is a flaw, it's an incredibly correctable one. Jeremy Shockey played at 250. If sixteen pounds is the make or break between 'can play on the LOS' and 'can't', it's not really a big concern. With his frame, that's nothing.
Marshall never got great  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/6/2017 6:00 pm : link
Separation , he used his height and physicality to get where he was.

Hmmmmm  
NikkiMac : 12/6/2017 7:00 pm : link
Is it coincidental that these guys showed up in the locker room right after McAdoo was fired ..... I have a feeling someday their is going to be a tell all about this season because the way everything has gone down to me something smells...
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