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M.S. : 12/7/2017 4:27 am
Rosen, Darnold, Allen and Mayfield.


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I myself would put them in this order  
NikkiMac : 12/7/2017 5:36 am : link
1)Rosen
2)mayfield
3)Darnold
4)Allen
Darnold #1  
redwhiteandbigblue : 12/7/2017 8:49 am : link
Rosen #2
#3 Does not exist. ENOUGH WITH MAYFIELD. Too short and a clusterfuck as a personality. Would be a media disaster in NY.
After reading that  
Tom from LI : 12/7/2017 8:56 am : link
I am not that high on any of these guys.

Stick with Webb and rebuild the offensive line and/or RB.

RE: After reading that  
Emil : 12/7/2017 9:03 am : link
In comment 13728631 Tom from LI said:
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I am not that high on any of these guys.

Stick with Webb and rebuild the offensive line and/or RB.


Would not be against that. If the draft were held today, the Giants pick 2nd. I agree that having the number two pick provides an opportunity and I lean towards it being an opportunity to draft a franchise QB. But if you are not in love with any of the top guys, you trade down and let a team like Buffalo give you their two first round picks. Bottom line is this team needs to exit the draft much improved and there are many ways to accomplish that.
Thats a very good read  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2017 9:07 am : link
Thanks for posting.

Wish they included Jackson in the piece.

Im beginning to think Id be OK going in a different direction in the early first, and seeing if one of Mayfield/Jackson survive until the second round.
RE: Thats a very good read  
Modus Operandi : 12/7/2017 9:17 am : link
In comment 13728648 bigbluehoya said:
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Thanks for posting.

Wish they included Jackson in the piece.

Im beginning to think Id be OK going in a different direction in the early first, and seeing if one of Mayfield/Jackson survive until the second round.


I think it's very likely Jackson is there for our 2nd round pick. My guess is Allen will be as well.
Thanks  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 9:18 am : link
If Darnold is the target keeping Eli for another year is vital. He does need to sit and learn for a year before he is ready to start.
Im in the camp of waiting to see who falls to the 2nd round  
gmen9892 : 12/7/2017 9:28 am : link
Be it Jackson, Allen, Mayfield. I would take a shot there. There are just too many question marks with these guys right now, especially if Darnold stays at USC.
Id be shocked if Allen lasts beyond the top 10-15 picks...  
BurberryManning : 12/7/2017 9:37 am : link
Josh seems tailor made for the Senior Bowl and combine process; hell get to throw to legitimate receivers, his physical tools will blow away scouts and pro personnel that work him live, and his personality will shine during interviews.
Polian was saying yesterday he didn't see much difference in the top 5  
PatersonPlank : 12/7/2017 9:40 am : link
QB's, so he says you may see teams waiting until Rd 2. This may be a thought for us. Grab Barkley or Nelson in Rd 1, then take a flyer on who falls into Rd 2 to compete with Webb. This would work if Eli stays with the Giants.
Great  
AcidTest : 12/7/2017 9:44 am : link
article. Thanks.
That Allen comparison sounds like Rogers  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/7/2017 9:47 am : link
Has the arm strength and is arrogant about it.

What scares me about Darnold, is that he has the escape-ability, but not the arm strength.
RE: After reading that  
HomerJones45 : 12/7/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13728631 Tom from LI said:
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I am not that high on any of these guys.

Stick with Webb and rebuild the offensive line and/or RB.
read what was said about Webb and see if you change your mind. He's a project. There's no Day 1 talk about him as ithere is with Rosen.

From this piece it seems like:
Rosen
Allen
Darnold
Mayfield.

Darnold's loopy throwing motion will take a ton of effort to fix if it can be fixed. Throwing motions are tough to change.
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BrettNYG10 : 12/7/2017 9:54 am : link
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You can have him, the NFC personnel man concluded within the group. Loopy motion. Bad face. Overrated.


Hard hitting analysis by the NFL men.
RE: After reading that  
Section331 : 12/7/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13728631 Tom from LI said:
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I am not that high on any of these guys.

Stick with Webb and rebuild the offensive line and/or RB.


I would take everything these evaluators say with a grain of salt. They may be planting negative seeds about a guy in the hope that the player will drop, or they may just like to hear themselves talk. A bit of what they say is either overblown or outright BS. Darnold does have a long delivery, but Matthew Stafford did too, and he was able to tighten it up. Kerry Collins had one of the slowest deliveries I've seen in the NFL, and he did pretty well.

And while it's OK to point out porential red flags with a guy's personality, I think they are overstating Rosen's. Scouts can get a better feel for how players come across by interviewing coaches, teammates and even teachers.
RE: That Allen comparison sounds like Rogers  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/7/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13728701 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Has the arm strength and is arrogant about it.

What scares me about Darnold, is that he has the escape-ability, but not the arm strength.


Allen should have been Rosen
beyond the measurables  
mdc1 : 12/7/2017 11:52 am : link
comparison/contrast of arm strength, et al. I think what we need that is more important is what Eli gave us. Clutch player that can lead an offense down the field pull out a win when it has to happen. That is difference we should be looking for and not their pedigree, school or rocket arm.
as an example  
mdc1 : 12/7/2017 11:53 am : link
which one of these guys moved the ball down the field on a really tough top tier defense and scored consistently.
I can't get past the way Goff and Wentz  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2017 11:56 am : link
were criticized a couple of years ago by a lot of the same talent evaluators. The Rams and Eagles were universally mocked for trading up for those two. You just never know.
Darnold vs Rosen  
KWALL2 : 12/7/2017 12:10 pm : link
The throwing motion isn't clean for Darnold. Slow and as the articles says "loopy". Not a quick release at all. He's overrated. He isnt the guy in this draft.

If you're going QB you take the shot with the better arm talent with Rosen. It's not close between these 2.

As we get closer to the draft, Darnold will get ripped in the media as reports from NFL guys start coming out and he will "drop". He isn't going at the top of round 1 in the draft.
RE: Darnold vs Rosen  
GiantTuff1 : 12/7/2017 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13729014 KWALL2 said:
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The throwing motion isn't clean for Darnold. Slow and as the articles says "loopy". Not a quick release at all. He's overrated. He isnt the guy in this draft.

If you're going QB you take the shot with the better arm talent with Rosen. It's not close between these 2.

As we get closer to the draft, Darnold will get ripped in the media as reports from NFL guys start coming out and he will "drop". He isn't going at the top of round 1 in the draft.


I think so too

When watching Rosen and Darnold play, Rosen jumps off the screen with his arm, mechanics, smoothness... and he has that cockiness about his ability too, like Rodgers. I can't say Darnold does the same for me.

Rosen may not be a Rodgers caliber athlete, but he has moxie and can slide around, and put the ball on a rope.
I personally think Rosen is the real deal  
PatersonPlank : 12/7/2017 12:28 pm : link
I think everyone else has more questions, and are more of a crapshoot. I think if there is such a thing as a franchise guy, which I don't think there is, then it would be Rosen.
RE: I can't get past the way Goff and Wentz  
mrvax : 12/7/2017 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13728991 bceagle05 said:
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were criticized a couple of years ago by a lot of the same talent evaluators. The Rams and Eagles were universally mocked for trading up for those two. You just never know.



Both were considered by so-called scouts as consolation prizes for a QB weak class. They were wrong. I'm starting to warm to Jackson and I like Rosen.
Think the Browns are going to be all over Rosen  
ghost718 : 12/7/2017 12:37 pm : link
especially now with Sashi Brown out.
I'm no scout  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2017 12:45 pm : link
but Rosen blew me away with some of the throws he made in the USC/UCLA game. I've yet to have that same reaction watching Darnold. My uninformed rankings would be Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen.
Mayfield  
spike : 12/7/2017 12:50 pm : link
is not a Giants type QB
RE: Think the Browns are going to be all over Rosen  
spike : 12/7/2017 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13729065 ghost718 said:
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especially now with Sashi Brown out.


maybe Rosen will pull an Eli/elway
If Eli stays on board for two more years  
montanagiant : 12/7/2017 12:52 pm : link
Allen is the guy I would love. Two years under Eli would get the kid ready. Then you have a 6.5' 230 lb monster who runs better than Wentz with a big arm.

Outside of him I like Rosen
The clear choice among the 4 is Rosen  
lawguy9801 : 12/7/2017 1:43 pm : link
Of that I don't think there can be any doubt.

He's arrogant? Who cares - many elite athletes are.
RE: If Eli stays on board for two more years  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13729100 montanagiant said:
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Allen is the guy I would love. Two years under Eli would get the kid ready. Then you have a 6.5' 230 lb monster who runs better than Wentz with a big arm.

Outside of him I like Rosen

Allen is very enticing. He reminds me of Roethlisberger. I think Allen will to shoot up draft boards after the combine, pro day, etc. I could see Mara and co. having Allen at the top of their board with the #2 pick especially if Darnold returns to school. I would be more excited about Allen if Eli definitely returns next season as it would give Allen time to develop without the immediate pressure to start from day one.
They said the  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 2:28 pm : link
same thing about Wentz's throwing motion (and still do). It doesn't really matter, honestly. Darnold has everything you want in a franchise QB.
Oh..  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 2:29 pm : link
and absolutely zero chance Mara signs off on Baker Mayfield. And there's probably zero chance a brand new GM would risk that pick.
Rodgers  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 2:31 pm : link
had to revamp his throwing motion also. The reason he succeeded was because he sat behind Favre for three years correcting his throwing motion. If Darnold is able to come in and sit behind Eli for a season then he would have a much better chance to succeed.
RE: Mayfield  
section125 : 12/7/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13729095 spike said:
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is not a Giants type QB


After the new GM and HC, Giants type may not be Giants type anymore.
Mayfield reminds me very much of Drew Brees. That is not bad.
Rosen looks like an Eli clone(sans personalty)....not bad either.
RE: Oh..  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13729224 ryanmkeane said:
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and absolutely zero chance Mara signs off on Baker Mayfield. And there's probably zero chance a brand new GM would risk that pick.

Unfortunately I agree. I think Mara would rather take a chance on Josh Allen than Mayfield.
RE: RE: Mayfield  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13729228 section125 said:
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In comment 13729095 spike said:


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is not a Giants type QB



After the new GM and HC, Giants type may not be Giants type anymore.
Mayfield reminds me very much of Drew Brees. That is not bad.
Rosen looks like an Eli clone(sans personalty)....not bad either.

Rosen reminds me of Matt Ryan. Darnold reminds me of a more athletic Eli.
How anyone could advocate Baker Mayfield is beyond me..  
Sean : 12/7/2017 2:37 pm : link
absolutely baffling. That is a throw your remote pick times 100000.
If  
Peppers : 12/7/2017 2:42 pm : link
We're keeping Eli, then Darnold or Allen to stash behind him to learn and improve mechanics.

If we aren't then we need a guy like Rosen who is more NFL ready.

Mayfield is still my favorite. I've always preferred the gamer/leader types.
I don't really care about who's NFL ready.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/7/2017 2:50 pm : link
This is (hopefully) a decade+ decision.

If we pick a guy who needs a year, throw Webb to the wolves if Eli's not here.
RE: If  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13729242 Peppers said:
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We're keeping Eli, then Darnold or Allen to stash behind him to learn and improve mechanics.

If we aren't then we need a guy like Rosen who is more NFL ready.

Mayfield is still my favorite. I've always preferred the gamer/leader types.

If Eli does leave I would still prefer them to sign a stop gap like they did in 2004. Some names that might be willing to sign for 1 year are Josh McCown, Alex Smith, Matt Moore, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Bradford.
QB Prospects  
Giantslifer : 12/7/2017 3:25 pm : link
Rosen - already wearing knee brace
Darnold- Overrated USC system QB
Mayfield - too short
Allen - Wyoming? beat CSU in snowstorm, strong arm
Jackson - can he put on 20 lbs?
I would include  
Chuckstar : 12/8/2017 8:48 am : link
Mason Rudolph in the 1st round conversation.
For all those commenting that any of these guys can sit and learn  
Jimmy Googs : 12/8/2017 2:24 pm : link
behind Eli, I am laughing at you.

Eli will not be on the team. And, quite frankly, we don't want him on the team as he just confuses the situation with only short-term minimal value.

We want a strong HC or QB Coach that can help mature and develop both Webb and the rookie quarterback we pick at #2, not Eli.

Eli is a nice guy who is just in the way at this point...
RE: RE: Mayfield  
NikkiMac : 12/11/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13729228 section125 said:
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In comment 13729095 spike said:


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is not a Giants type QB



After the new GM and HC, Giants type may not be Giants type anymore.
Mayfield reminds me very much of Drew Brees. That is not bad.
Rosen looks like an Eli clone(sans personalty)....not bad either.


I think Rosen is more accurate and spins it better than Eli same with Mayfield minus the so called height problem
Rosen  
Marty866b : 12/11/2017 11:50 am : link
Are you folks here aware that Rosen didn't play or finish 11 of his last 19 games? He may have the best throwing motion and accuracy on the deep ball but he isn't going to help you much when he is hurt. Also, UCLA's record with him there is not stellar. How many top quarterbacks don't win in college?
I like my quarterbacks with greater escapability then Rosen.
One game doesn't tell you much but I am anxious to see how Darnold and Mayfield do in their bowl games.
Anyone here really seen much of Josh Allen play?
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