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If the Giants want to fix their interior O-line real fast...

M.S. : 12/7/2017 5:24 am
...Quenton Nelson, Left OG (Notre Dame) with the 2nd pick.

And, Billy Price, Center (Ohio Sate) with the 34th pick.

They both start from the first day of practice and all of a sudden Eli (or someone else) has a much cleaner pocket and our running backs will see holes that haven't been there for years.

Nelson and Price are very safe picks for a desperate unit that's a perennial NFL bottom feeder.

ps Quenton Nelson plays at a shockingly high level. I'll leave it to professionals to provide a full evaluation, but here's one observation -- Quenton Nelson is liking having two guys on the field in one body. The way he puts his helmet on multiple defenders on a given play is amazing. Oh, man, would this guy look good in Blue! A much bigger Chris Snee with double his athleticism -- (and Chris Snee could be the greatest guard in Giants history IMO).
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Rumor has it  
idiotsavant : 12/7/2017 8:28 am : link
There won't be any QBs in the draft in 2019.

I jest. Of course there will be.
Flowers and Pugh  
bc4life : 12/7/2017 8:29 am : link
Probably two of most important questions for new GM and HC.
am also interested in what  
bc4life : 12/7/2017 8:31 am : link
new regimes thinks of Wheeler and Dunker.
John B gets it  
RollBlue : 12/7/2017 8:45 am : link
having a good O-Line doesn't mean success.

People think if we just draft OL high, that will solve it.

When Richburg was taken in the second round, most were very happy with the pick. He looked very good in year 2 (first year at C). Now everyone bitches about him.

Getting a good coaching staff is way more important than just drafting OL in every round. And a franchise QB is 100 times more important than getting a top OG.
Picking a guard at  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 8:46 am : link
2...he better be a hall of famer. Very good guards can be had in rounds 2-4. Look at Snee for example, he was elite.

Guards can be a factor but ultimately they aren't the reason you get over the top. We won a Super Bowl with Kevin Boothe at LG.
I concur OL 1st two rounds.  
gtt350 : 12/7/2017 8:47 am : link
Webb might be the goods, Geno looked fine last week and Eli still has gas in the tank. Given time to throw and establish the run we will improve dramatically. If we can pick up another pick by dropping down a slot or two I would do that also and grab a running back
The only way I'd take a guard  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 8:48 am : link
in the 1st round is if we traded back and got a bunch of 2nd and 3rd round picks. You could take an elite guard in the teens and then have 3-4 picks before round 4 to get your other guys.

But certainly not if you have a top 2 pick and a QB is there for the taking. Even if Eli plays next year, hell even if he plays in 2019...we need to not be scrambling when he's done for good.
do you think any of these kid QB's are going to come in and play  
gtt350 : 12/7/2017 8:49 am : link
better than Geno did? I doubt it.
If we take OL  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 8:50 am : link
with our first pick, I'd certainly prefer a tackle and not a guard. Orlando Brown looks like a beast. We'll get a nice look at him in the playoff game.
that's not the point  
JonC : 12/7/2017 8:51 am : link
You draft a QB for the next ten years, you develop him and turn him into the face of the franchise.

The draft isn't only about 2018 success.
Id be OK with  
Powerclean765 : 12/7/2017 8:52 am : link
that but hopefully after a trade down now that we’ll have a little bit more active GM during the draft. You dont take Nelson top 3.

That said, I really hope we dont do Eli like we did Coughlin. IE finally fix the personnel AFTER you get rid of him.
Interesting to see  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 8:54 am : link
whoever the GM is and what their draft style is going to be. Reese was always pretty much by the book. BPA, never trade, take the dynamic playmaker at the premium positions in round 1, solid starter in round 2, and then semi projects to guys with "upside" in the later rounds.

If it's Gettleman or Dorsey, will they covet the QB or try and fix the roster first from the inside out?
It probably depends in the actual  
idiotsavant : 12/7/2017 9:00 am : link
Valuation of the QBs. Not the hoped for valuation.

If it's not obvious that the top two are worth it, jonc is correct, it is a long term project.

The guard is apparently a very unusual one. It is possible you get what you need at QB in pick 12 of the 2019 draft or something like that.

Is it possible that Darnold and Rosen both are not that great?

Sure.
Guards in the first 2 Rounds???  
Jim in Tampa : 12/7/2017 9:05 am : link
What position do you want to draft in RD 3...a kicker, punter or a backup long snapper?
Its Darnold and Rosen  
Dankbeerman : 12/7/2017 9:12 am : link
then everyone else. I dont think the other QBs are in the must pick tier. If we end up picking 3 or later and cant trade up Im all for Nelson
Everyone keeps jumping to conclusions  
gmen9892 : 12/7/2017 9:22 am : link
That this years QB class is amazing. Right now, Rosen is the ONLY given. Darnold might not even come out, and if he does, he will have question marks. Even with those question marks, its Rosen and Darnold, and everyone else is way far behind.

Mayfield is a great college QB, but even the best draft analysts have no clue what to expect from him. He could be the next Manziel or the next Russell Wilson. Lamar Jackson could be the next Cunningham or the next RG3. Allen has played against very low competition and hasn't done that well to stand out.

Everyone is sticking to the narratives that were put out earlier in the year that this was going to be an all-time QB draft class. Now that the college season is over, that narrative is old and no longer true.
RE: Everyone keeps jumping to conclusions  
jeff57 : 12/7/2017 9:24 am : link
In comment 13728663 gmen9892 said:
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That this years QB class is amazing. Right now, Rosen is the ONLY given. Darnold might not even come out, and if he does, he will have question marks. Even with those question marks, its Rosen and Darnold, and everyone else is way far behind.

Mayfield is a great college QB, but even the best draft analysts have no clue what to expect from him. He could be the next Manziel or the next Russell Wilson. Lamar Jackson could be the next Cunningham or the next RG3. Allen has played against very low competition and hasn't done that well to stand out.

Everyone is sticking to the narratives that were put out earlier in the year that this was going to be an all-time QB draft class. Now that the college season is over, that narrative is old and no longer true.


Not all time great, but the best overall class in at least a couple of years.
Great  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 9:34 am : link
now what about the franchise QB? Is Nelson really worthy of the 2nd overall pick? If they do select Nelson and Price and Webb isn't a starting QB then they will be in trouble. By the time they finally find their next franchise QB they will deciding on which between Nelson and Price to keep as their rookie contracts expire.

I am a big fan of Price and would love to see the Giants take him with their 2nd pick even if it meant trading back up into the end of round 1. I am a firm believer that the Giants have to come away with their next franchise QB in the draft.
I guess I disagree on a couple of things here  
PatersonPlank : 12/7/2017 9:35 am : link
First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.

Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.

IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.

by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.
RE: Everyone keeps jumping to conclusions  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13728663 gmen9892 said:
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That this years QB class is amazing. Right now, Rosen is the ONLY given. Darnold might not even come out, and if he does, he will have question marks. Even with those question marks, its Rosen and Darnold, and everyone else is way far behind.

Mayfield is a great college QB, but even the best draft analysts have no clue what to expect from him. He could be the next Manziel or the next Russell Wilson. Lamar Jackson could be the next Cunningham or the next RG3. Allen has played against very low competition and hasn't done that well to stand out.

Everyone is sticking to the narratives that were put out earlier in the year that this was going to be an all-time QB draft class. Now that the college season is over, that narrative is old and no longer true.

What QB doesn't have question marks? There were many who had questions about Peyton Manning and felt Ryan Leaf was the superior prospect. As far as I remember the only recent QB prospect that was considered a sure thing was Andrew Luck. Aaron Rodgers had several majors question marks coming out (style of offense in college, throwing motion)
Its not so much the question marks  
gmen9892 : 12/7/2017 10:29 am : link
Its just that many people considered this to be a draft were there were going to be a lot of elite QBs. It remains to be seen right now how these QBs turn out in the pros, but as of right now, who can you say is a surefire Top 5 pick outside of Rosen and Darnold? Are Allen or Mayfield going to do enough between now and April to jump into the Top 10? I dont think so. And that is for a reason.

Prior to this year, this draft class was talked about with the likes of '83 and '04. Now, not so much. There is the Top 2 and a ton of uncertainty after that.
RE: I guess I disagree on a couple of things here  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/7/2017 10:35 am : link
In comment 13728676 PatersonPlank said:
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First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.

Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.

IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.

by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.

Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).

And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.
Paterson  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 10:52 am : link
while I tend to agree, every single year, literally every year....guys like Polian and the like say "well there's not much difference between the QBs this year...holes in all their games..." and yet, every single year, there are franchise QBs taken and successful.

Look at Goff and Wentz. I'm sure guys like Polian said all kinds of negatives about their games.

It depends on whether the player wants to be great, and the situation they are in.

If you think Darnold or Rosen can be a great QB, there's absolutely no reason at all that I can think of why you wouldn't take either of them if you are in the Giants situation.

As far as taking a guard in the top 5. I just think that's a terrible way to manage your resources. Top 5 picks are the highest paid draft picks and should be franchise type cornerstones. A guard is not one of those players. They can't impact a game on an every down basis like a QB, WR, shut down CB, or DE.
My general point is....  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 10:59 am : link
these guys that have all kinds of things to say about each QB, while they know their stuff, are generally not important to the process. Giants are going to do their due diligence on each of the guys and then if there's conviction, you make a move. Accorsi had a feeling about Eli because he was ALWAYS gunning for his team no matter the circumstance, down 30 or up 3, and would put his team on his back when everything else was going to hell. And that was the mark of a leader and a possible champion.

I'm sick of this "Darnold's throwing motion is a bit slow" bullshit. Means absolutely nothing. The guy has everything you look for and single handedly won a Rose Bowl by himself in his first season at QB. What else do you want?
RE: The last time I heard a guard being this highly touted...  
njm : 12/7/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13728567 Milton said:
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It was the year of Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack!


For me it was Zach Martin
RE: Let's say NYG goes OL and pleases the OL obsessed  
njm : 12/7/2017 11:54 am : link
In comment 13728563 JonC said:
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How will look at the team when Eli's shot, shortly down the road?

You don't get many chances to draft a blue chip QB. If you covet one and he's there carrying the grade, you pick him and set the foundation for ten years.

QB > OG


That's if you assume Webb will fail and that whoever you draft will not be a bust. Possible, but by no means a sure thing on either count.
RE: RE: I guess I disagree on a couple of things here  
PatersonPlank : 12/7/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13728825 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13728676 PatersonPlank said:


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First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.

Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.

IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.

by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.


Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).

And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.


You know who I meant, sorry my spelling isn't up to your high standards.
What I want  
GeorgeAdams33 : 12/7/2017 11:59 am : link
....and I've been saying it for a month, is to draft RB-Saquon Barkley and the make the necessary trades to get Nelson & Price.

I also have said that I would like to trade down if we cannot get Barkley and we don't love one of the defensive players like Chubb, Fitzpatrick, Key, or James. Then we would concentrate on Nelson & Price along with securing a good LT prospect.
RE: RE: RE: I guess I disagree on a couple of things here  
PatersonPlank : 12/7/2017 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13728995 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13728825 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 13728676 PatersonPlank said:


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First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.

Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.

IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.

by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.


Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).

And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.



You know who I meant, sorry my spelling isn't up to your high standards.


Also it is possible that the Giants think Eli has another 2 years left, and that Webb is the next QB. Maybe you don't agree, however it is possible. In this scenario they could definitely go OL and RB (or OL and OL) in this draft. I get people have opinions, but nothing is definite at this time.
You take the QB  
adamg : 12/7/2017 12:07 pm : link
This fantasy about drafting 5 great starting linemen is ridiculous. Flowers Pugh and Fluker should be part of our future line. Add Billy Price and another guard in FA and you've done plenty.
RE: I concur OL 1st two rounds.  
paesan98 : 12/7/2017 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13728613 gtt350 said:
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Webb might be the goods, Geno looked fine last week and Eli still has gas in the tank. Given time to throw and establish the run we will improve dramatically. If we can pick up another pick by dropping down a slot or two I would do that also and grab a running back


Geno looked fine last week? What game were you watching? He barely broke 200 yards passing, threw a pick, and fumbled twice. In my book, that's not very good.
RE: Remember  
clatterbuck : 12/7/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13728571 Reb8thVA said:
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John Hicks


And Gordon King?
keep in mind  
bc4life : 12/7/2017 12:31 pm : link
Wilson, Brady, Rodgers, even Cousins were not 1st rounders.
RE: keep in mind  
adamg : 12/7/2017 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13729053 bc4life said:
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Wilson, Brady, Rodgers, even Cousins were not 1st rounders.


Rodgers was a first rounder......
I loved George Young  
GeorgeAdams33 : 12/7/2017 12:43 pm : link
The Planet Theory: There are only so many big guys on the planet that have the athleticism to be dominant. If you have two players rated closely, say a WR and a Guard, you take the Guard.

I remember when we traded back up into the first round back in 84' , after picking LB-Carl Banks at #3, and getting LT-William Roberts out of Ohio St. who eventually became our starting LG.

The best was 88' & 89' when Young used his top two picks each year on OL in Eric Moore, Jumbo Elliot, Brian Williams and Bob Kratch. In the midst of winning a Super Bowl we also came up with a backfield in the early 90's that consisted of Hampton, Bunch, Meggett, & Lewis Tillman. We had the best combo of blocking TEs in the league in Bavaro & Howard Cross. Then Handley screwed the pooch.
adamg  
bc4life : 12/7/2017 1:58 pm : link
stand corrected
RE: What I want  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13728998 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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....and I've been saying it for a month, is to draft RB-Saquon Barkley and the make the necessary trades to get Nelson & Price.

I also have said that I would like to trade down if we cannot get Barkley and we don't love one of the defensive players like Chubb, Fitzpatrick, Key, or James. Then we would concentrate on Nelson & Price along with securing a good LT prospect.

The Giants would have to mortgage the future to come away with two top 5 picks in Barkley and Nelson plus a late 1st rounder in Price. They would then not have high picks for at least two years so where would they get their next QB??
RE: RE: Let's say NYG goes OL and pleases the OL obsessed  
JonC : 12/7/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13728990 njm said:
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In comment 13728563 JonC said:


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How will look at the team when Eli's shot, shortly down the road?

You don't get many chances to draft a blue chip QB. If you covet one and he's there carrying the grade, you pick him and set the foundation for ten years.

QB > OG



That's if you assume Webb will fail and that whoever you draft will not be a bust. Possible, but by no means a sure thing on either count.


No draft pick is a sure thing, but a top 3 QB is a good gamble.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I guess I disagree on a couple of things here  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/7/2017 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13729004 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13728995 PatersonPlank said:


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In comment 13728825 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 13728676 PatersonPlank said:


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First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.

Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.

IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.

by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.


Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).

And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.



You know who I meant, sorry my spelling isn't up to your high standards.



Also it is possible that the Giants think Eli has another 2 years left, and that Webb is the next QB. Maybe you don't agree, however it is possible. In this scenario they could definitely go OL and RB (or OL and OL) in this draft. I get people have opinions, but nothing is definite at this time.

Oh, that's definitely why Mara gave the directive to look at the young QBs on the roster and to scout the college QB prospects. Because they think the Manning/Webb combo is the short and long term solution.

This really isn't complicated.
New GM + new HC + an ineffective 38yr old QB  
Jimmy Googs : 12/7/2017 3:46 pm : link
= QB with our first pick in the 2018 Draft

Anybody who thinks that the new GM will pass on a QB  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 4:40 pm : link
in the first round because of Webb is mistaken. The new GM will have no ties to Webb or anyone else on the roster and will want to bring in their own QB.
After picking WEBB last year,  
OldPolack : 12/7/2017 5:30 pm : link
I doubt that the GIANTS will pick another quarterback.
It stands to reason that the GiIANTS will start ELI next year with WEBB as a backup. With the disaster that was left by REESE there will be plenty of other positional needs.
RE: After picking WEBB last year,  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/7/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13729468 OldPolack said:
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I doubt that the GIANTS will pick another quarterback.
It stands to reason that the GiIANTS will start ELI next year with WEBB as a backup. With the disaster that was left by REESE there will be plenty of other positional needs.

Capitalizing random WORDS doesn't make your point more TRUE. I think you're way OFF on your take and when you have a CHANCE to set your team up with franchise QB for the next DECADE or more, you don't PASS on that OPPORTUNITY.

They also took an offensive tackle last year in the DRAFT, should they not look to ADD to the offensive LINE?
RE: After picking WEBB last year,  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13729468 OldPolack said:
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I doubt that the GIANTS will pick another quarterback.
It stands to reason that the GiIANTS will start ELI next year with WEBB as a backup. With the disaster that was left by REESE there will be plenty of other positional needs.

Reese picked Webb last year. The new GM will have no ties to him and will want to take his own QB in the draft. The Giants haven't picked this high since 2004 so they won't pass on a potential franchise QB.
JonC  
bc4life : 12/7/2017 11:36 pm : link
Do you have a preference re: QB in the draft?
Hey Jay  
GeorgeAdams33 : 12/8/2017 2:29 am : link
Maybe we trade away a player or two..........
bc  
JonC : 12/8/2017 8:43 am : link
Darnold has the whole package, he just needs reps and the talent around him so he doesn't press himself into mistakes. When you watch him play you can feel how badly he wants to win. He can make all the throws, is incredibly tough, and has the it factor.

Rosen has the talent package, but they'd better be sure he wants it badly enough given the questions centered on him growing up with affluence.
thanks  
bc4life : 12/8/2017 9:00 am : link
read a piece critiquing his throwing motion - big deal yes/no?
Darnold?  
JonC : 12/8/2017 9:07 am : link
do you have a lonk?
Jon C the initial one I read that on was strange  
bc4life : 12/8/2017 5:58 pm : link
got malware warning but here are a few others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oehb8dzrQBg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JofxB5-CX5w

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000818298/article/darnold-working-to-tweak-throwing-motion-for-shorter-delivery

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/05/usc-qb-sam-darnold-working-with-jordan-palmer-to-shorten-throwing-motion/
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