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If the Giants want to fix their interior O-line real fast...

M.S. : 12/7/2017 5:24 am
...Quenton Nelson, Left OG (Notre Dame) with the 2nd pick.

And, Billy Price, Center (Ohio Sate) with the 34th pick.

They both start from the first day of practice and all of a sudden Eli (or someone else) has a much cleaner pocket and our running backs will see holes that haven't been there for years.

Nelson and Price are very safe picks for a desperate unit that's a perennial NFL bottom feeder.

ps Quenton Nelson plays at a shockingly high level. I'll leave it to professionals to provide a full evaluation, but here's one observation -- Quenton Nelson is liking having two guys on the field in one body. The way he puts his helmet on multiple defenders on a given play is amazing. Oh, man, would this guy look good in Blue! A much bigger Chris Snee with double his athleticism -- (and Chris Snee could be the greatest guard in Giants history IMO).
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RE: RE: RE: I guess I disagree on a couple of things here  
PatersonPlank : 12/7/2017 12:02 pm : link
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First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.

Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.

IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.

by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.


Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).

And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.



You know who I meant, sorry my spelling isn't up to your high standards.


Also it is possible that the Giants think Eli has another 2 years left, and that Webb is the next QB. Maybe you don't agree, however it is possible. In this scenario they could definitely go OL and RB (or OL and OL) in this draft. I get people have opinions, but nothing is definite at this time.
You take the QB  
adamg : 12/7/2017 12:07 pm : link
This fantasy about drafting 5 great starting linemen is ridiculous. Flowers Pugh and Fluker should be part of our future line. Add Billy Price and another guard in FA and you've done plenty.
RE: I concur OL 1st two rounds.  
paesan98 : 12/7/2017 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13728613 gtt350 said:
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Webb might be the goods, Geno looked fine last week and Eli still has gas in the tank. Given time to throw and establish the run we will improve dramatically. If we can pick up another pick by dropping down a slot or two I would do that also and grab a running back


Geno looked fine last week? What game were you watching? He barely broke 200 yards passing, threw a pick, and fumbled twice. In my book, that's not very good.
RE: Remember  
clatterbuck : 12/7/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13728571 Reb8thVA said:
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John Hicks


And Gordon King?
keep in mind  
bc4life : 12/7/2017 12:31 pm : link
Wilson, Brady, Rodgers, even Cousins were not 1st rounders.
RE: keep in mind  
adamg : 12/7/2017 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13729053 bc4life said:
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Wilson, Brady, Rodgers, even Cousins were not 1st rounders.


Rodgers was a first rounder......
I loved George Young  
GeorgeAdams33 : 12/7/2017 12:43 pm : link
The Planet Theory: There are only so many big guys on the planet that have the athleticism to be dominant. If you have two players rated closely, say a WR and a Guard, you take the Guard.

I remember when we traded back up into the first round back in 84' , after picking LB-Carl Banks at #3, and getting LT-William Roberts out of Ohio St. who eventually became our starting LG.

The best was 88' & 89' when Young used his top two picks each year on OL in Eric Moore, Jumbo Elliot, Brian Williams and Bob Kratch. In the midst of winning a Super Bowl we also came up with a backfield in the early 90's that consisted of Hampton, Bunch, Meggett, & Lewis Tillman. We had the best combo of blocking TEs in the league in Bavaro & Howard Cross. Then Handley screwed the pooch.
adamg  
bc4life : 12/7/2017 1:58 pm : link
stand corrected
RE: What I want  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13728998 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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....and I've been saying it for a month, is to draft RB-Saquon Barkley and the make the necessary trades to get Nelson & Price.

I also have said that I would like to trade down if we cannot get Barkley and we don't love one of the defensive players like Chubb, Fitzpatrick, Key, or James. Then we would concentrate on Nelson & Price along with securing a good LT prospect.

The Giants would have to mortgage the future to come away with two top 5 picks in Barkley and Nelson plus a late 1st rounder in Price. They would then not have high picks for at least two years so where would they get their next QB??
RE: RE: Let's say NYG goes OL and pleases the OL obsessed  
JonC : 12/7/2017 3:15 pm : link
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How will look at the team when Eli's shot, shortly down the road?

You don't get many chances to draft a blue chip QB. If you covet one and he's there carrying the grade, you pick him and set the foundation for ten years.

QB > OG



That's if you assume Webb will fail and that whoever you draft will not be a bust. Possible, but by no means a sure thing on either count.


No draft pick is a sure thing, but a top 3 QB is a good gamble.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I guess I disagree on a couple of things here  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/7/2017 3:38 pm : link
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First, why not take a G high? If you think he's a 10 year guy, and a future All-Pro, why not? This theory of trading down to get your top G will not work. If Nelson is there when we pick, and he's our guy, we need to draft him.

Second I don't buy that this is an "all time" QB draft. The only guy who looks like a sure top thing is Rosen, and I guess I hear there are some character issues there. There is a published narrative that last years QB class sucked, which again I don't buy. Well right now IMO I'd take the class of Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, Webb, Peterman, and Breathard over this years class. You can't tell until these guys get into the NFL, we have seen that for decades.

IMO, if Eli stays we go RB and OL in Round 1 and 2. Play Eli and bring Webb along as #2. If Eli goes then we need a guy to play now, so we have to draft a QB this year to compete with Webb. I would take an OL and QB in Rd #1 and #2.

by the way I heard an analysis from a ex-GM, it might have been Polian, and he said so far in his QB study he doesn't see much difference between the top 5 QB's in this draft. So he thinks you can wait until Rd 1 (if you're in the market for a QB), and grab someone like Allen, Jackson, or Mayfield, and be just as well off.


Who are Mahommes and Breathard? I tried to check Pro Football Reference but got no hits for either name. Maybe if they had some family members who were involved in professional sports that would make their names easier to recognize (or spell).

And the Giants aren't drafting for one more year of Eli, no matter how much you want your fairy tale to come true. They're going to draft for the next decade of the franchise.



You know who I meant, sorry my spelling isn't up to your high standards.



Also it is possible that the Giants think Eli has another 2 years left, and that Webb is the next QB. Maybe you don't agree, however it is possible. In this scenario they could definitely go OL and RB (or OL and OL) in this draft. I get people have opinions, but nothing is definite at this time.

Oh, that's definitely why Mara gave the directive to look at the young QBs on the roster and to scout the college QB prospects. Because they think the Manning/Webb combo is the short and long term solution.

This really isn't complicated.
New GM + new HC + an ineffective 38yr old QB  
Jimmy Googs : 12/7/2017 3:46 pm : link
= QB with our first pick in the 2018 Draft

Anybody who thinks that the new GM will pass on a QB  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 4:40 pm : link
in the first round because of Webb is mistaken. The new GM will have no ties to Webb or anyone else on the roster and will want to bring in their own QB.
After picking WEBB last year,  
OldPolack : 12/7/2017 5:30 pm : link
I doubt that the GIANTS will pick another quarterback.
It stands to reason that the GiIANTS will start ELI next year with WEBB as a backup. With the disaster that was left by REESE there will be plenty of other positional needs.
RE: After picking WEBB last year,  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/7/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13729468 OldPolack said:
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I doubt that the GIANTS will pick another quarterback.
It stands to reason that the GiIANTS will start ELI next year with WEBB as a backup. With the disaster that was left by REESE there will be plenty of other positional needs.

Capitalizing random WORDS doesn't make your point more TRUE. I think you're way OFF on your take and when you have a CHANCE to set your team up with franchise QB for the next DECADE or more, you don't PASS on that OPPORTUNITY.

They also took an offensive tackle last year in the DRAFT, should they not look to ADD to the offensive LINE?
RE: After picking WEBB last year,  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13729468 OldPolack said:
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I doubt that the GIANTS will pick another quarterback.
It stands to reason that the GiIANTS will start ELI next year with WEBB as a backup. With the disaster that was left by REESE there will be plenty of other positional needs.

Reese picked Webb last year. The new GM will have no ties to him and will want to take his own QB in the draft. The Giants haven't picked this high since 2004 so they won't pass on a potential franchise QB.
JonC  
bc4life : 12/7/2017 11:36 pm : link
Do you have a preference re: QB in the draft?
Hey Jay  
GeorgeAdams33 : 12/8/2017 2:29 am : link
Maybe we trade away a player or two..........
bc  
JonC : 12/8/2017 8:43 am : link
Darnold has the whole package, he just needs reps and the talent around him so he doesn't press himself into mistakes. When you watch him play you can feel how badly he wants to win. He can make all the throws, is incredibly tough, and has the it factor.

Rosen has the talent package, but they'd better be sure he wants it badly enough given the questions centered on him growing up with affluence.
thanks  
bc4life : 12/8/2017 9:00 am : link
read a piece critiquing his throwing motion - big deal yes/no?
Darnold?  
JonC : 12/8/2017 9:07 am : link
do you have a lonk?
Jon C the initial one I read that on was strange  
bc4life : 12/8/2017 5:58 pm : link
got malware warning but here are a few others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oehb8dzrQBg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JofxB5-CX5w

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000818298/article/darnold-working-to-tweak-throwing-motion-for-shorter-delivery

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/05/usc-qb-sam-darnold-working-with-jordan-palmer-to-shorten-throwing-motion/
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