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Jerry Reese was screwed by the Giants

NYSports1 : 12/7/2017 9:58 am
He like Eli won 2 SB as a G.M and as bad as some of the drafts were lately he had great ones during the first half o the career and won 2 SB.... The dude never got to hire his own coach and draft his own qb.....You do not see that on long-tenured GM let alone one that won 2 rings. O-line was not fixed but that is also a product of an old qb with zero mobility that cant do shit when someone screams at him. I just feel that if we are going to throw around 2 SB to defend players the same can be said for the GM or coach.
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Right  
Modus Operandi : 12/7/2017 11:08 am : link
How many times did Tom get called into the principals office and get a second or third chance? Yet everyone was just flabbergasted when he was fired. Tom acted like a woman stood up on a date.
credit for the 2016 FA has to be offset by the reason for it:  
Victor in CT : 12/7/2017 11:09 am : link
FAILURE OF THE PREVIOUS 5 DRAFTS TO PRODUCE ANY IMPACT PLAYERS ON DEFENSE.
RE: NYSports1  
NYSports1 : 12/7/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13728884 Chris684 said:
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Eli Manning lifted this franchise beyond the limitations of an extremely mediocre offensive line in 2011 to the tune of a Super Bowl victory.

It's no one's fault but your own that you are seemingly ungrateful about that.

After 2011, for many reasons stated above, failed attempts or no attempts at all by Jerry Reese, the offensive line continued to deteriorate.

In the year's since, Eli's had his moments, including last season in Green Bay where he was the best offensive player on the football field for us.

But if you can't see why at almost 37 years old, with no mobility to begin with, the QB would not be blamed for the overall offensive failure when the offensive line in front of him stinks, that's on you.


I gave Eli his due and said he was a top 3 qb easily that year...He is the main reason we won that SB in 2011...He was fantastic with a bad oline and the 32nd ranked rushing offense in the league...A defense that in the regular season was terrible and went through a stretch of giving up the most yards and points in franchise history. We were 9-7 and would have been 3-13 if not for Eli that year. That was the last year I felt he made an impact on the outcome of a season....Does not mean I do not see that Eli at this point is no more serviciable to the team than Geno smith as evidence by Geno actually scoring 2 tds last week when Eli had gone 24 drives withiout a td. Yet people blamed it on the referee screwing the raiders or Geno getting lucky
RE: Right  
Britt in VA : 12/7/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13728896 Modus Operandi said:
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How many times did Tom get called into the principals office and get a second or third chance? Yet everyone was just flabbergasted when he was fired. Tom acted like a woman stood up on a date.


Wouldn't Tom Coughlin's second and third chances also be Reese's second or third chance?

Couldn't you say it Coughlin got three chances, Reese got four?
Captain of the ship, and all.....  
Britt in VA : 12/7/2017 11:11 am : link
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RE: RE: Right  
Modus Operandi : 12/7/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13728903 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13728896 Modus Operandi said:


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How many times did Tom get called into the principals office and get a second or third chance? Yet everyone was just flabbergasted when he was fired. Tom acted like a woman stood up on a date.



Wouldn't Tom Coughlin's second and third chances also be Reese's second or third chance?

Couldn't you say it Coughlin got three chances, Reese got four?


You're probably right. I would've been fine firing everyone then.
Something that's lost on a lot of people with respect to Jerry....  
Giantfan in skinland : 12/7/2017 11:16 am : link
the question is not JUST whether he does a good job judging talent. I frankly still think JR is above average to excellent in that capacity.

To me, one of JR's biggest issues as a GM (vs. being the head of scouting) was an inability to develop and implement a coherent long term plan for roster building. Over the past 10 years, the Giants have repeatedly found themselves a year or two later than should have been the case scrambling to fill GAPING holes that crushed them the year prior (or sometimes, the 2-3 years prior). We saw this scenario play out at S, CB, OL, WR, TE, and RB (and LB...though that was a hole we seemed content to just ride with).

Where I do increasingly feel that the Giants model is off is the role ownership seems to play in picking the coach. The traditional logic seems to be you hire a GM who hires the coach. I just don't get the sense that's how the Giants ownership views things. And if you think about it, that would also help explain why at least to a certain degree, there never seemed to be a full marriage between scheme/vision being implemented at the coaching level and the players picked to fit that scheme by JR and crew.
OL, OL,OL  
Carl in CT : 12/7/2017 11:17 am : link
And just kept ignoring the problem.
It's all on Eli  
SHO'NUFF : 12/7/2017 11:18 am : link
he's a coach killer... and now, a GM killer. also got multiple coordinators fired, even on the defensive side.
RE: Something that's lost on a lot of people with respect to Jerry....  
Modus Operandi : 12/7/2017 11:18 am : link
In comment 13728915 Giantfan in skinland said:
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the question is not JUST whether he does a good job judging talent. I frankly still think JR is above average to excellent in that capacity.

To me, one of JR's biggest issues as a GM (vs. being the head of scouting) was an inability to develop and implement a coherent long term plan for roster building. Over the past 10 years, the Giants have repeatedly found themselves a year or two later than should have been the case scrambling to fill GAPING holes that crushed them the year prior (or sometimes, the 2-3 years prior). We saw this scenario play out at S, CB, OL, WR, TE, and RB (and LB...though that was a hole we seemed content to just ride with).

Where I do increasingly feel that the Giants model is off is the role ownership seems to play in picking the coach. The traditional logic seems to be you hire a GM who hires the coach. I just don't get the sense that's how the Giants ownership views things. And if you think about it, that would also help explain why at least to a certain degree, there never seemed to be a full marriage between scheme/vision being implemented at the coaching level and the players picked to fit that scheme by JR and crew.


Absolutely one thousand percent correct.
RE: It's all on Eli  
Britt in VA : 12/7/2017 11:18 am : link
In comment 13728919 SHO'NUFF said:
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he's a coach killer... and now, a GM killer. also got multiple coordinators fired, even on the defensive side.


haha
As I've said on other posts  
RollBlue : 12/7/2017 11:23 am : link
I think the time was right to move on - similar to TC two years ago (problem there is they kept most of the staff in place).

However, most on here ripping Reese also say McAdoo is in over his head and is a terrible coach.

I have a hard time believing that a crappy coach can go 11-5, and be dominating a playoff game in Green Bay for almost 2 quarters with a crappy roster.

I've read on here that McAdoo is lousy, but that Reese creating this mess. Given the 11-5 record last year, logic tells me it can't be both.

As Eric pointed out on another thread, this is a big cross road - mainly because Reese was a good scout/GM for 23 years - they could end up worse.

I still maintain that coaching is the biggest issue, along with injuries.
Jerry screwed Jerry  
SHO'NUFF : 12/7/2017 11:23 am : link
RE: Eric  
an_idol_mind : 12/7/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13728794 ryanmkeane said:
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it has been reported that Reese recommended 2 coaches over McAdoo during the final decision, and that Mara ultimately chose McAdoo.

Not saying I don't think Reese deserves to be gone, he should be. But, as far as McAdoo goes, it has been reported that he wasn't his choice.


Reported by whom? People around here have a frequent habit of grabbing whatever rumor fits their narrative and running with it. If it gets repeated enough times, people assume it's true, regardless of the source.
RE: Reese  
MetsAreBack : 12/7/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13728779 PaulN said:
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Drafted great wideouts, was OK at Tight end, but all his tight ends can't block at all, other then that you can fail him on defensive line, backs, linebackers, offensive line, and Quarterback even, running back too except for Bradshaw. He stunk, he had a championship team that he could not fuck up in year one and that basic group was even there the second Super Bowl, except he overhauled the wideouts and started fucking up the offensive line. The people that want to give him credit for 2 Superbowls are being dishonest with us and themselves. Now its just they won't admit they were wrong. let's see if he gets a job, my guess is he will scout or lead a scouting department, but he will not be a GM again, why, he stunk at it. Now let's see who is right.



I think it was time for Reese to go too, but why do people talk in extremes about this case? Its not as if Reese was an outsider who came in from another team when Ernie retired and took credit for 'his' players. Reese was Ernie's right hand man and director of scouting for Christ sakes.

He's had a mixed track record here - had a terrific 5-6 years of drafting and building a roster, followed by 6 lousy ones. Was time for a new voice - but he did an overall good job for this organization and should be thanked for his efforts. Its ok not to have an extreme view once in a while. No... really.
I think that the he (they) had some flaws in philosophy  
Bill L : 12/7/2017 11:29 am : link
that created a gap in their talent judging and their developmental abilities. At times, the team seemed to think that they were too cute by far and either over-reached in their drafts or picked "sleepers" at too high a slot. I think that in some positions, like OL and LB and (maybe) TE, they favored athletic ability, "looks the part" type of players rather than proven production in college. I think that for OL, DL, and LB they over weighted positional flexibility as opposed to excellence in a single position. The time frame for development, limited practice times, etc did not give them enough time to turn high potential projects into players and that it caught up to them.
There are very few of Reese's draft picks  
Reb8thVA : 12/7/2017 11:33 am : link
from 2008-2013 that are even still in the league

2008:No one
2009: No one
2010: JPP, Linval Joseph
2011: Prince Amukamara
2012: No one
2013:Pugh, and Hankins

That is 5 out of 45 picks. That is below the Mendoza line.

RE: There are very few of Reese's draft picks  
Britt in VA : 12/7/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13728954 Reb8thVA said:
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from 2008-2013 that are even still in the league

2008:No one
2009: No one
2010: JPP, Linval Joseph
2011: Prince Amukamara
2012: No one
2013:Pugh, and Hankins

That is 5 out of 45 picks. That is below the Mendoza line.


And as somebody else mentioned only ONE of those got a second contract with the Giants.... And that ain't looking too hot, either.
RE: RE: Eric  
mdc1 : 12/7/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13728937 an_idol_mind said:
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In comment 13728794 ryanmkeane said:


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it has been reported that Reese recommended 2 coaches over McAdoo during the final decision, and that Mara ultimately chose McAdoo.

Not saying I don't think Reese deserves to be gone, he should be. But, as far as McAdoo goes, it has been reported that he wasn't his choice.



Reported by whom? People around here have a frequent habit of grabbing whatever rumor fits their narrative and running with it. If it gets repeated enough times, people assume it's true, regardless of the source.


Its called the BBI echo chamber with preferred talking points.
RE: The tipping point for me regarding Reese  
JCin332 : 12/7/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13728784 ij_reilly said:
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was when we learned that he had no interest in pursuing Whitworth to play LT for the Giants.

I was pro-Reese until that point.

But the decision to not pursue Whitworth indicated, to me, a world of thinking behind that decision which, again in my view, was totally fucked.


This +1000...I have said this before signing Whitworth would have changed the whole dynamic of this OL/ season...

You could have moved Flowers to RT and still had Pugh and Fluker at guard...

Instead Reese went "with the young guys we really like"...
the ironic thing is that JR and the Giants are almost victims of their  
Victor in CT : 12/7/2017 11:51 am : link
own hype. I never bought the whole SB contender, guaranteed playoff thing, but many people did, and seemingly the Giants did. It would have been okay to go with "young guys we like" had they set the expectation that they were still building. But to foster the expectation that they had SB ambitions and not do anything to improve that OL was just plain stupid.
RE: the ironic thing is that JR and the Giants are almost victims of their  
mdc1 : 12/7/2017 11:57 am : link
In comment 13728982 Victor in CT said:
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own hype. I never bought the whole SB contender, guaranteed playoff thing, but many people did, and seemingly the Giants did. It would have been okay to go with "young guys we like" had they set the expectation that they were still building. But to foster the expectation that they had SB ambitions and not do anything to improve that OL was just plain stupid.


Its called keep things safe and be lazy. Let's put some caulk on that hole a swipe of paint and we are ready to make SB run because we have Eli. They got lucky with some of that with some rosters because they had some guys that made very serious plays to change outcomes (Bradshaw, Plax, Smith, etc). The current rosters are filled with guys that do not lean in, they just do their job and collect their pay.
RE: Eric  
GiantTuff1 : 12/7/2017 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13728794 ryanmkeane said:
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it has been reported that Reese recommended 2 coaches over McAdoo during the final decision, and that Mara ultimately chose McAdoo.

Not saying I don't think Reese deserves to be gone, he should be. But, as far as McAdoo goes, it has been reported that he wasn't his choice.


Does anyone know who the 2 were, I'm dying to know.
RE: RE: the ironic thing is that JR and the Giants are almost victims of their  
Victor in CT : 12/7/2017 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13728993 mdc1 said:
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In comment 13728982 Victor in CT said:


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own hype. I never bought the whole SB contender, guaranteed playoff thing, but many people did, and seemingly the Giants did. It would have been okay to go with "young guys we like" had they set the expectation that they were still building. But to foster the expectation that they had SB ambitions and not do anything to improve that OL was just plain stupid.



Its called keep things safe and be lazy. Let's put some caulk on that hole a swipe of paint and we are ready to make SB run because we have Eli. They got lucky with some of that with some rosters because they had some guys that made very serious plays to change outcomes (Bradshaw, Plax, Smith, etc). The current rosters are filled with guys that do not lean in, they just do their job and collect their pay.


Yeah, in hindsight it seems like 2011 convinced them that all they had to do was patch it together enough to make the tournament and Eli would get them through.
Jerry Reese screwed the GIANTS  
Red Dog : 12/7/2017 12:37 pm : link
would be a better title.

He screwed the GIANTS by hiring Marc Ross as his draft boss, and screwed the GIANTS again by not getting rid of him when it became apparent that Ross wasn't getting the job done properly or well.

Even management recognized that and made Reese get more involved with the later rounds of the draft.
If you have a franchise qb,  
Doomster : 12/7/2017 12:43 pm : link
that needs an OL in front of him, you either get rid of the qb and get a mobile qb, or you give him an OL.....I have no idea what the hell Reese was thinking of.....

Let's draft RB's and WR's, but not have an OL to make them effective?

Who the hell needs linebackers?

Who the hell needs TE's? Hell we had not 1, not 2, but at one time we had 3 undrafted TE's.....

How many times has Reese put us in the hole at the safety position?

I think if you switch Jerry Reese and Giants in your Header, it would be more accurate....

So tell me what are your thoughts on  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/7/2017 12:57 pm : link
John Jerry
What people THINK the SB's proved:  
Dan in the Springs : 12/7/2017 1:11 pm : link
a great OL will take you to the SB.

What I think the SB years proved:
Extremely skilled skill position players and a dominant defense can overcome mediocre to poor O-line play. Especially the 2011 team.

The thing that made Eli great in 2011 was the talent around him NOT on the OL.

Nicks (in his prime), Cruz (in his prime, even as a rookie), Manningham (at his best), with Jacobs and Bradshaw still healthy enough and a healthy Ballard.

The defense became good enough in the playoffs to make it count. We didn't win the NFC championship game in SF because of a dominant OL. Only reason we won was because the dominant SF defense didn't have an answer for Cruz, Nicks, Manningham, et al, and our own defense was able to shut down the Alex Smith led 9ers, in spite of the obvious mismatch they had at TE.

Same thing is true in the SB that year. We won because when NE sold out to stop Nicks and Cruz, Manningham made the play of his lifetime, and our defense kept us in the game.

Look at the 2007 year and see the same thing. Plax and Toomer were the reasons for our NFC Championship game (and the amazing defensive performances.

We saw that our offense could be a top unit (2014/2015) in spite of having a horrific line when we had good enough weapons at WR. Beckham on his own shows how the game can be changed by a legit threat. When you combine two or three of them on offense with a smart QB and deadly defense, your OL can be the worst in the league at running the ball and you can still win the SB.

That's the philosophy Reese bought into and what he was trying to accomplish with his rebuild. He invested heavily into the defense and built something very good last year. OBJ/Cruz/Rookie SS wasn't good enough with no TE and no threat at RB. This year he upgraded the TE position, brought in what was supposed to be an improved threat at WR in Marshall, and hoped for improvement in his OL and RB's. What happened?

The demise began when Beckham went out and we went into the DAL game unprepared and unable to react to the new-look DAL defense. Eli started the season poorly, and there was no commitment early on to the running game even when it had some success (look through the game logs in the opener against DAL if you don't remember). Early poor production by Perkins was tolerated since we'd named him the starter in the offseason, in spite of better performances at RB. We've had uneven performances by the OL and at QB, combined with a ton of drops in the passing game. We do not have any threats at the skill positions left sans a legit TE, one good WR and another good TE (not pro-bowl level, but nice complementary pieces).

Combine the offensive injuries and mistakes with a defense that couldn't execute the "graduate-level" defense Spags tried to install and you have a huge step backwards.

It is not true that you have to have a dominant OL to win the game. It is true that the players you have need to be able to hold their own. The team that Reese had assembled could have won something this year had they come together with some better coaching, continued their defensive success, and had better luck with injuries (especially OBJ). It's not just a failure to build an OL. That's a simplistic view of what's wrong here.

Best example of that is DAL, who has had one of the best OL's in recent memory and won exactly 1 playoff game with it.
RE: So we won 2 rings  
AnishPatel : 12/7/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13728744 NYSports1 said:
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with Ernies guys? Give me a break.... Ben McAdoo was hired by Tom Coughlin as OC and promoted only because of Eli...I highly doubt that was Reeses guy. Did the draft of 07 not produce SB heroes? Same with 11 superbowl win? Why does Reese get hammered even though he won 2 rings and key players in those teams he drafted.


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Gilbride, who had a chance to break down the Giants this season when they appeared on Sunday Night Football, said the issues with the Giants offensive line are nothing new, and in fact go back to 2009, when he began lobbying management to start thinking ahead.

“In 2010, we were getting beat up—we were still winning because we were still good enough. In 2011 when we won the Super Bowl, there were multiple guys getting hurt. By 2012, we went 9-7, but we were hanging on for dear life.

“When 2013 happened, there were six different starters at running back, three different starters at right guard, four different starters at center, three at left guard. This is a build up that needed to be addressed for a while.”

The deterioration of the offensive line combined with the fact that Manning is not a mobile quarterback ultimately led to some of the problems Manning has experienced the last few years.

“As I’ve said on numerous occasions, Eli will never and never has solved problem with his feet. He can solve it with his arm, he can solve it with his brain and he can solve it with his heart. But if you’re asking this guy to solve problems with his feet, you’ve got the wrong guy because that’s not who he is.”


Reese had a lot of years to fix this and couldn't do it which has resulted in this shit you see today.
RE: What people THINK the SB's proved:  
Britt in VA : 12/7/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13729123 Dan in the Springs said:
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a great OL will take you to the SB.

What I think the SB years proved:
Extremely skilled skill position players and a dominant defense can overcome mediocre to poor O-line play. Especially the 2011 team.

The thing that made Eli great in 2011 was the talent around him NOT on the OL.

And yet, Eli still had time to take 5 and 7 step drops and wait for guys to get open downfield in 2011.

In 2017, he's getting hit as he releases the ball in 1.9 seconds on 3 step drops.

Nicks (in his prime), Cruz (in his prime, even as a rookie), Manningham (at his best), with Jacobs and Bradshaw still healthy enough and a healthy Ballard.

The defense became good enough in the playoffs to make it count. We didn't win the NFC championship game in SF because of a dominant OL. Only reason we won was because the dominant SF defense didn't have an answer for Cruz, Nicks, Manningham, et al, and our own defense was able to shut down the Alex Smith led 9ers, in spite of the obvious mismatch they had at TE.

Same thing is true in the SB that year. We won because when NE sold out to stop Nicks and Cruz, Manningham made the play of his lifetime, and our defense kept us in the game.

Look at the 2007 year and see the same thing. Plax and Toomer were the reasons for our NFC Championship game (and the amazing defensive performances.

We saw that our offense could be a top unit (2014/2015) in spite of having a horrific line when we had good enough weapons at WR. Beckham on his own shows how the game can be changed by a legit threat. When you combine two or three of them on offense with a smart QB and deadly defense, your OL can be the worst in the league at running the ball and you can still win the SB.

That's the philosophy Reese bought into and what he was trying to accomplish with his rebuild. He invested heavily into the defense and built something very good last year. OBJ/Cruz/Rookie SS wasn't good enough with no TE and no threat at RB. This year he upgraded the TE position, brought in what was supposed to be an improved threat at WR in Marshall, and hoped for improvement in his OL and RB's. What happened?

The demise began when Beckham went out and we went into the DAL game unprepared and unable to react to the new-look DAL defense. Eli started the season poorly, and there was no commitment early on to the running game even when it had some success (look through the game logs in the opener against DAL if you don't remember). Early poor production by Perkins was tolerated since we'd named him the starter in the offseason, in spite of better performances at RB. We've had uneven performances by the OL and at QB, combined with a ton of drops in the passing game. We do not have any threats at the skill positions left sans a legit TE, one good WR and another good TE (not pro-bowl level, but nice complementary pieces).

Combine the offensive injuries and mistakes with a defense that couldn't execute the "graduate-level" defense Spags tried to install and you have a huge step backwards.

It is not true that you have to have a dominant OL to win the game. It is true that the players you have need to be able to hold their own. The team that Reese had assembled could have won something this year had they come together with some better coaching, continued their defensive success, and had better luck with injuries (especially OBJ). It's not just a failure to build an OL. That's a simplistic view of what's wrong here.

Best example of that is DAL, who has had one of the best OL's in recent memory and won exactly 1 playoff game with it.
Disgregard that, formatting messed up....  
Britt in VA : 12/7/2017 1:24 pm : link
what I said was:

And yet, Eli still had time to take 5 and 7 step drops and wait for guys to get open downfield in 2011.

In 2017, he's getting hit as he releases the ball in 1.9 seconds on 3 step drops.
The 2011 O-line was bad....  
Britt in VA : 12/7/2017 1:25 pm : link
but compared to this O-line, they were the 80's Hogs.
So Glad he is GONE!  
Manning10 : 12/7/2017 1:37 pm : link
11 years , time for a new set of eyes and philosophy.
RE: RE: RE: the ironic thing is that JR and the Giants are almost victims of their  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/7/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13729055 Victor in CT said:
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Yeah, in hindsight it seems like 2011 convinced them that all they had to do was patch it together enough to make the tournament and Eli would get them through.


Correct. The "just sneak into the playoffs" and "get hot" mantra was a dangerous way of building a championship type ball club.

So many things have to go right even for that to work. Winning 3 playoff games just to get to the Super Bowl (before even winning it) is not commonplace, and yet, because the Giants did it twice in five years, it was as if they thought they could keep on doing it that way. As we have seen the last 5 years, a market correction has been in order.

They never had a sustainable model for consistent winning. That was never part of the program unfortunately.
I never called for Reese's firing  
RetroJint : 12/7/2017 2:13 pm : link
I was saddened to hear it on Mon. He was an integral part in every Giant success since GY hired him . The Giants record compelled him to be fired . He lasted longer than Coughlin . I had no problem with that . He is a talented exec who will find gainful employment .

These last years I think interference at the ownership level has hindered the entire operation . I hope the new VP-GM gains some measure of independence from ownership . John Mara should simply stay out of the operational decisions affecting his team . He needs to take a knee. Collect the receipts . Count the receipts . Pay the help.
RE: So  
Matt M. : 12/7/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13728726 Eric from BBI said:
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you are saying he had no role in hiring Ben McAdoo?

He didn't ignore the offensive line as many have charged. He addressed it incompetently. Same with the linebackers.
I've said the same thing for years about the OL. He never ignored it. He made a few fundamental mistakes. One, he waited too long to start addressing it via the draft to re-stock while players aged. Two, as his three high picks were inserted (each started as a rookie), they ended up with a range of terrible to OK. This is not a good return on high picks. Three, he made a number of FA signings, which almost all turned out to be disasters. Not overpaid a little...disasters. There seems to be an issue with our evaluation of OL play both on our team and in evaluating the draft and FA. There also seems to be an issue with our OL coaching, as there has not been any significant improvement in the play of individuals or the unit.
mdc and idol  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 3:07 pm : link
it is not an echo chamber, this was reported by Aditi Kinkhabwala of NFL Network when this was all going down. Reese recommended 2 coaching candidates over McAdoo.
I'm not defending  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 3:08 pm : link
Reese. It's possible he wasn't a good GM the past 4 seasons and he also didn't want McAdoo as coach. These things can be mutually exclusive.
Reese screwed the Giants  
Alwaysblue22 : 12/7/2017 3:26 pm : link
He had a blind spot for O-Linemen and linebackers and never overcame that. Stop defending someone who did a terrible job building a roster. No Coach could be successful with the roster holes he left on this team on a continuous basis. People give him too much credit for the 2 SBs. Eli was drafted by Ernie Accorsi and NOT REESE. If it were not for ELI, there would be no SBs since the Parcells days.
Reese should have never been hired in the  
TMS : 12/7/2017 3:28 pm : link
first place. Coughlin brought the Giants back and was responsible for their success. Reese went along for the ride and got to pose and posture as a GM while making a lot of $$$. Everybody in the organization knows that I am sure. A real GM and ELI and the Giants a win few more SBs.
Zero Chance Jerry Reese was Screwed by Giants...  
M.S. : 12/7/2017 3:33 pm : link

...he had a very nice, long career with the organization making a very fine salary, not to mention what he will be receiveing while essentially on the beach.

As for his performance, I'm willing to recognize his successes many of which have been listed here.

But he proved to be ineffective in replenishing our O-line and LB corp. The O-line cost him his job and has created misery for Giants fans for half a decade.

Not good.

LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/7/2017 3:36 pm : link
This is the kind of moronic shit that these threads foster

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Reese should have never been hired in the
TMS : 3:28 pm : link : reply
first place. Coughlin brought the Giants back and was responsible for their success. Reese went along for the ride and got to pose and posture as a GM while making a lot of $$$. Everybody in the organization knows that I am sure. A real GM and ELI and the Giants a win few more SBs.


I wish fans were able to be fired for being fucking idiots. Might temper the way they look at the team. Then again - it might just be a cleanse of schmucks that don't have a clue
Yeah, Poor Jerry  
Bernie : 12/7/2017 3:39 pm : link
he was saddled with a future HOF QB around which to build. I mean, can you imagine being dealt such a bad hand and then be expected to make chicken salad out of chicken shit? Maybe his next team will be more understanding.
As a GM, as the title suggests  
TurdFurguson : 12/7/2017 3:53 pm : link
Is to MANAGE. Resse knew on the onset of every year what his strengths and weaknesses were and should have reacted accordingly. If you know you have an aging QB who isn’t mobile I would imagine you draft for need unless you know you are reaching. If you can’t find value where you have a need and BPA isn’t good value, trade for assets/picks.

Granted, all these guys have egos, but that doesn’t mean lack of self-awareness. Always got the sense from his conferences Reese thought he was the smartest guy in the room (as limited as his conferences were).

Reese should also be aware of leadership gaps, which McAdoo should have informed him of. Instead he obstinately stuck to his gameplan and this is what happens as a result.

Had his ups and downs, but we’re beyond “what have you done for me lately” at this point.
RE: Disgregard that, formatting messed up....  
Dan in the Springs : 12/7/2017 5:25 pm : link
In comment 13729149 Britt in VA said:
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what I said was:

And yet, Eli still had time to take 5 and 7 step drops and wait for guys to get open downfield in 2011.

In 2017, he's getting hit as he releases the ball in 1.9 seconds on 3 step drops.


That's a mischaracterization. I agree that he's had to deal with a bad line, but he seems to also be less willing to let take the deep shot. That may be due to coaching, scheme or maybe he's hearing footsteps, but he's much more willing to dump off now than he was, regardless of whether there is any pressure.
RE: RE: Reese  
cosmicj : 12/7/2017 5:35 pm : link

He's had a mixed track record here - had a terrific 5-6 years of drafting and building a roster, followed by 6 lousy ones. Was time for a new voice - but he did an overall good job for this organization and should be thanked for his efforts. Its ok not to have an extreme view once in a while. No... really. [/quote]

Well said, MAB. I think Reese was clearly a talented scout with an eye for talent at certain positions. Notice how his top 2 picks this last draft are actively contributing on the field. Two weeks ago, I was of the opinion that Jerry would survive this season. I think the fiasco with the Eli benching and Reese's undetermined role in this led to his being fired.
Yeah the Giants really screwed him  
steve in ky : 12/7/2017 6:33 pm : link
when they saddled him with Coughlin and Eli.

RE: mdc and idol  
mdc1 : 12/7/2017 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13729277 ryanmkeane said:
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it is not an echo chamber, this was reported by Aditi Kinkhabwala of NFL Network when this was all going down. Reese recommended 2 coaching candidates over McAdoo.


Who were the 2 candidates?
Reese will be fine  
aquidneck : 12/8/2017 6:33 am : link
Aren't the Giants paying the rest of his contract?

If he wants it, I have no doubt that he'll land another GM gig, and if that happens whatever team he ends up with will most likely have a better, more seasoned GM than the Giants end up with.
dumbest post I have ever read,  
Jersey55 : 12/8/2017 4:34 pm : link
Jerry Reese screwed by the Giants, this sounds to me like the ravages of too much drugs or alcohol....
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