Jerry Reese was screwed by the Giants

Jesus Christ.

McAdoo was NOT Reese’s first choice. Clearly a Mara pick.

you are saying he had no role in hiring Ben McAdoo?

He didn't ignore the offensive line as many have charged. He addressed it incompetently. Same with the linebackers.

As it gets

the troll.

This is coming from someone who has defended him countless times over the years.

on the talent that Reese inherited when he took over. He was not successful in building a team on his watch.

Move on...........

to the OP... dude, I cant even process the stupid in your statement. Do yourself a favor, look at our offensive line and then reevaluate.

your previous handles.

signings, LB corps and Oline mistakes, forgot the safeties in 2009.
It was time for a change.

Check every thread he's on, he always takes an opinion he knows will just piss people off because of its idiocy. He should be ignored.

I'm curious on who Reese liked ahead of McAdoo.

but JR had the bonus of being told last time that turning things around was going to be on him. He may not have picked McAdoo, but he doesn't seem to have been against it either (recent rumors have no solid evidence, imo). Had he been opposed to McAdoo he should have been more outspoken. Perhaps that could have saved his job.

Another problem, imo is that he appears to have been supportive of Ross, who I think may have been a part of the earlier drafting problems. Whatever was wrong with the drafting for several years, Reese took it upon himself to fix without changing his staff. In the end, that may have cost him his job as well.

The Giants gave him a tremendous opportunity, not sure how they "screwed" him at all. They simply held him accountable in the end for the bad team he produced, just like they told him they would.

If you have respect for him, as I do, be assured he will still have a long, satisfying career in the NFL if he wants it. Lots of people around the league respect the work he's done and would take him on.

Boley’s the only guy of note and he wasnt exactly a top shelf player.

Look at the current crew: Goodson Kennard Casillas? What are you expecting to get from these guys?

The huge difference between even the 16 Giants D and truly great 43’s is dominance at the 2nd level. Wagner & Wright are destroyers.

with Ernies guys? Give me a break.... Ben McAdoo was hired by Tom Coughlin as OC and promoted only because of Eli...I highly doubt that was Reeses guy. Did the draft of 07 not produce SB heroes? Same with 11 superbowl win? Why does Reese get hammered even though he won 2 rings and key players in those teams he drafted.

You've started posting here!

7 year failure to rebuild O-line
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In comment 13728737 PatersonPlank said:

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Check every thread he's on, he always takes an opinion he knows will just piss people off because of its idiocy. He should be ignored.

So my opinion is not popular among Eli fans makes me a bad or fake fan? Really

O-line Bad? No playoffs, 5/6 years no playoffs.

Failure to build O-line.

Bye.

but it would be nice to have verified facts about who did what.

- owner selected ben
- Reese decided to optimize specialty positions over oline in draft
- did owners know Eli would be benched or were they only told that Eli would start and then share time with backups.


This whole thing points to organizational incompetence but would be nice to have the facts about "who did what".

how quickly he gets a job...

Kevin Boos, Steve Smith, Manningham, Phillips, T Thomas, Nicks, OBJ, Pugh, Jpp, Lival, Hankins, Richburg, Kenard, Collins, Flowers, Shepard, Goodson, Thompson, Engram, Tomlinson, Webb...Yea he had some bad ones but so do many of the great GM's but he got some big talent as well. Ive seen some bad olines move the chains because of the qb and play calling. In todays NFL is hard to have a HOF oline to protect a statue

Owner said the day he fired him, He thought this was one of their most talented teams they ever had. Yet he fires the GM. lol

you're right he inherited a situation where he didn't get to pick his coach or QB, but he should have realized his role was to maximize the situation for his QB. I believe the Giants had the potential to win more than the two they got. Reese's refusal to invest in the o-line undermined rather than maximized Eli. I believe that's something to be fired over.

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your previous handles.

This is the only real respons to the OP

more about who agrees with morons than any of the gibberish posted.

Just about every post you've made since joining BBI a month ago has made some derogatory/spiteful comment about Eli. We get it, you not an Eli fan (maybe a troll). But since you brought it up, Jerry’s situation is very different from Eli’s. Jerry was given a pass when the team fired TC, even though most recognize the Giants failures started with Jerry’s neglect of key positions; which played a role in the decline of the whole team as well as Eli’s play. Sure Eli has his warts, but the issues with his play are exaggerated by the OL woes and lack of a running game; which Jerry was supposed to have corrected. Jerry had his free passes for the last 5 years.

Drafted great wideouts, was OK at Tight end, but all his tight ends can't block at all, other then that you can fail him on defensive line, backs, linebackers, offensive line, and Quarterback even, running back too except for Bradshaw. He stunk, he had a championship team that he could not fuck up in year one and that basic group was even there the second Super Bowl, except he overhauled the wideouts and started fucking up the offensive line. The people that want to give him credit for 2 Superbowls are being dishonest with us and themselves. Now its just they won't admit they were wrong. let's see if he gets a job, my guess is he will scout or lead a scouting department, but he will not be a GM again, why, he stunk at it. Now let's see who is right.

In comment 13728773 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 13728735 JonC said: Quote: your previous handles. This is the only real respons to the OP

Yup, just another dupe and a shitty one at that

just a serviceable one:

2017: 27th ranked rushing offense
2016: 29th ranked rushing offense
2015: 19th ranked rushing offense
2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense
2013: 29th ranked rushing offense
2012: 14th ranked rushing offense
2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense

was when we learned that he had no interest in pursuing Whitworth to play LT for the Giants.

I was pro-Reese until that point.

But the decision to not pursue Whitworth indicated, to me, a world of thinking behind that decision which, again in my view, was totally fucked.

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He like Eli won 2 SB as a G.M

Which is one of the main reasons he lasted all the way to 2017 instead of going out with Coughlin in 2015.

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as bad as some of the drafts were lately he had great ones during the first half o the career and won 2 SB....

He had a great 2007 draft. His 2008 draft was really good, but he got screwed by injuries. After that, he found some nice players but had an increasing number of misses. From 2009 through 2013, he failed to find anybody past the second round. Past 2010, the only guy he's drafted who earned a second contract with the team was JPP.

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The dude never got to hire his own coach

He got to hire McAdoo.

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and draft his own qb

He inherited a franchise quarterback.

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O-line was not fixed

This is a major problem. He inherited a great offensive line that fell apart due to age and injury in 2010. He mostly ignored the offensive line in 2013, and has failed to find productive players despite investing high-round picks.

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but that is also a product of an old qb with zero mobility

They had a younger quarterback with more mobility last week, and the results were the same.

Plus, that old quarterback is releasing the football in less than two seconds on average. Any NFL line should be able to hold a block for two seconds.

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that cant do shit when someone screams at him.

Is that a knock on Eli's toughness? Because he's got his flaws, but a lack of toughness isn't one of them.

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I just feel that if we are going to throw around 2 SB to defend players the same can be said for the GM or coach.

Reese had a great first half of his tenure here. But he's failed to bring in talent consistently for 5 years now. That level of futility is usually enough to get somebody fired.

it has been reported that Reese recommended 2 coaches over McAdoo during the final decision, and that Mara ultimately chose McAdoo.

Not saying I don't think Reese deserves to be gone, he should be. But, as far as McAdoo goes, it has been reported that he wasn't his choice.

and failed to fix the O-line for his prime years.

Give me one reason why Reese deserved two more years than TC did? Last I checked TC had the very worst roster to work with in his final 3 years here... And I guess the GM had nothing to do with that or the fact that JPP. Beatty and DeOssie are the only guys we drafted that received a second contract from us in the past, nearly a decade.. And yeah Linval was the only guy that signed elsewhere, everyone else didnt get a second contract because they were out of the leauge.. And I guess that nothing to do with the GM either? McAdoo will get a HC job before Reese gets a GM job.. Wink*wink* neither are happening

In comment 13728782 Britt in VA said:

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just a serviceable one: 2017: 27th ranked rushing offense 2016: 29th ranked rushing offense 2015: 19th ranked rushing offense 2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense 2013: 29th ranked rushing offense 2012: 14th ranked rushing offense 2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense

Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL?

In comment 13728800 NYSports1 said:

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In comment 13728782 Britt in VA said: Quote: just a serviceable one: 2017: 27th ranked rushing offense 2016: 29th ranked rushing offense 2015: 19th ranked rushing offense 2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense 2013: 29th ranked rushing offense 2012: 14th ranked rushing offense 2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL?

Thanks to amazing coaching and quarterbacking. Not a sustainable model.

2007 Draft
Antrel Rolle
Drafting/UDFA Receivers (Beckham, Nicks, Cruz, Manningham)
Chris Canty

There were some positions you could tell he didnt place as much value on and rarely spent valuable resources on, most notably LB and TE and to a lesser extent Safety although that seemed to have changed in recent years with the Collins and Thompson picks.

Lastly, the elephant in the room, the OL. There was not as much neglect here as many argue. Not that it's any better but it was more incompetence and to some extent bad luck.

The contract to Geoff Schwartz was a huge setback and helped blow up the 2015 season. Worst mistake.

The OL bad luck was the Will Beatty offseason injury after earning his 2nd contract. This impacted the development of Flowers by force-feeding him on the left side rather than easing in at RT.

Pugh and Richburg have provided mixed results and injury.

I think best argument of neglecting this unit is probably going back to 2016 free agency where maybe if we sign only 2 of Jenkins, Snacks and Vernon, we have money left to solidify the line prior to last season.

All in all, A fair evaluation of Reese, IMO, is that his overall tenure here was successful, but that it was justified and the right time to fire him.

In comment 13728725 Sean said:

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McAdoo was NOT Reese’s first choice. Clearly a Mara pick.

Where is this info coming from?

In comment 13728803 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 13728800 NYSports1 said: Quote: In comment 13728782 Britt in VA said: Quote: just a serviceable one: 2017: 27th ranked rushing offense 2016: 29th ranked rushing offense 2015: 19th ranked rushing offense 2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense 2013: 29th ranked rushing offense 2012: 14th ranked rushing offense 2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL? Thanks to amazing coaching and quarterbacking. Not a sustainable model.

Amazing coaching......Did people not want Perry fired in season when we were getting demolished by some teams like the Saints....Eli played great that year...The only year where he was a top 3 qb in his 15 years. See what happens when your FRANCHISE qb can do the job he is paid for? hides the warts of the team. But Eli cant do that any more and just as Reese did not have the best second half of his career, Eli is the same and yet people cried when he was benched and thinks he can play till he is 45

Poor Reese he had to inherit a QB that would be a two time SB MVP. Things would have been different if he didn't get too cute in the draft and addressed the OL and LB. He passed on Cordy Glenn for Wilson. He passed on Max Unger and Bobby Wagner for Clint Sintim. He passed on Taylor Decker for Eli Apple. etc. I will be grateful for him for his 2007 and 2011 drafts that helped us win the SB but it was time for a change. His refusal to trade down in the draft and admit a mistake with draft picks were detrimental to the future of this franchise. How angry would you be if the Giants passed on their next franchise QB because Webb was drafted last season. What if Webb is another Nassib and Rosen, Darnold, etc go to the Jets, Skins, etc and flourishes?

In comment 13728805 ron mexico said:

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In comment 13728725 Sean said: Quote: McAdoo was NOT Reese’s first choice. Clearly a Mara pick. Where is this info coming from?

Only reason Ben got the gig was because Eli not because Reese was high on him. Did TC not hire Ben as his OC?

In comment 13728733 Gross Blau Oberst said:

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on the talent that Reese inherited when he took over. He was not successful in building a team on his watch. Move on...........

That's simply bullshit. Even if you believe EAset the franchise up for success, Reese was Director of Scouting during that time.

Then you'd have to completely dismiss Reese's drafting or acquiring the following players: Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, Bradshaw, Nicks, Cruz, Manningham, kenny Phillps, T. Thomas, Aaron Ross, etc.

All of those players directly contributed to two Super bowls.

In comment 13728810 NYSports1 said:

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In comment 13728803 Britt in VA said: Quote: In comment 13728800 NYSports1 said: Quote: In comment 13728782 Britt in VA said: Quote: just a serviceable one: 2017: 27th ranked rushing offense 2016: 29th ranked rushing offense 2015: 19th ranked rushing offense 2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense 2013: 29th ranked rushing offense 2012: 14th ranked rushing offense 2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL? Thanks to amazing coaching and quarterbacking. Not a sustainable model. Amazing coaching......Did people not want Perry fired in season when we were getting demolished by some teams like the Saints....Eli played great that year...The only year where he was a top 3 qb in his 15 years. See what happens when your FRANCHISE qb can do the job he is paid for? hides the warts of the team. But Eli cant do that any more and just as Reese did not have the best second half of his career, Eli is the same and yet people cried when he was benched and thinks he can play till he is 45

People that understand football understand the correlation between having a good offensive line and running game with success.

Perry's defense was historically terrible for a four or five game stretch that season, but whatever they did in the playoffs worked.

In comment 13728803 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 13728800 NYSports1 said: Quote: In comment 13728782 Britt in VA said: Quote: just a serviceable one: 2017: 27th ranked rushing offense 2016: 29th ranked rushing offense 2015: 19th ranked rushing offense 2014: 23rd ranked rushing offense 2013: 29th ranked rushing offense 2012: 14th ranked rushing offense 2011: 32nd ranked rushing offense Did we not win the SB in 2011 with the worst rushing attack in the NFL? Thanks to amazing coaching and quarterbacking. Not a sustainable model.

Confirmation bias at its finest.

Kevin Gilbride how Reese fixes the roster.

even more telling than the trolls, are the people that agree with them.

Registered in Oct on BBI. Then, no posts until the shit started to hit the fan here less than a week ago. Now, a flurry of activity.

In comment 13728726 Eric from BBI said:

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you are saying he had no role in hiring Ben McAdoo? He didn't ignore the offensive line as many have charged. He addressed it incompetently. Same with the linebackers.

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He ignored the O Line last offseason, unless you want to
count a Fluker on the cheap. He helped the running game a bit, that's about it.
Bringing Jerry back here was just silly. I don't consider that addressing the O Line in a real way.
He for the most part, just picked up JAGS as linebackers,
hopefully that will change with a new GM and HC!

a franchise QB, but a solid foundation in two competent and capable DL and OL which allowed him to indulge his team building philosophies and focus predominantly on skill playeys. As the lines grew old--more the OL than the DL-- Reese couldn't adjust effectively. You can make all the arguments you want but nothing is going to change the fact that he squandered the last 5 years of Eli's career and the overall success of the team with poor personnel decisions.