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Jerry Reese was screwed by the Giants

NYSports1 : 12/7/2017 9:58 am
He like Eli won 2 SB as a G.M and as bad as some of the drafts were lately he had great ones during the first half o the career and won 2 SB.... The dude never got to hire his own coach and draft his own qb.....You do not see that on long-tenured GM let alone one that won 2 rings. O-line was not fixed but that is also a product of an old qb with zero mobility that cant do shit when someone screams at him. I just feel that if we are going to throw around 2 SB to defend players the same can be said for the GM or coach.
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So Glad he is GONE!  
Manning10 : 12/7/2017 1:37 pm : link
11 years , time for a new set of eyes and philosophy.
RE: RE: RE: the ironic thing is that JR and the Giants are almost victims of their  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/7/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13729055 Victor in CT said:
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Yeah, in hindsight it seems like 2011 convinced them that all they had to do was patch it together enough to make the tournament and Eli would get them through.


Correct. The "just sneak into the playoffs" and "get hot" mantra was a dangerous way of building a championship type ball club.

So many things have to go right even for that to work. Winning 3 playoff games just to get to the Super Bowl (before even winning it) is not commonplace, and yet, because the Giants did it twice in five years, it was as if they thought they could keep on doing it that way. As we have seen the last 5 years, a market correction has been in order.

They never had a sustainable model for consistent winning. That was never part of the program unfortunately.
I never called for Reese's firing  
RetroJint : 12/7/2017 2:13 pm : link
I was saddened to hear it on Mon. He was an integral part in every Giant success since GY hired him . The Giants record compelled him to be fired . He lasted longer than Coughlin . I had no problem with that . He is a talented exec who will find gainful employment .

These last years I think interference at the ownership level has hindered the entire operation . I hope the new VP-GM gains some measure of independence from ownership . John Mara should simply stay out of the operational decisions affecting his team . He needs to take a knee. Collect the receipts . Count the receipts . Pay the help.
RE: So  
Matt M. : 12/7/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13728726 Eric from BBI said:
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you are saying he had no role in hiring Ben McAdoo?

He didn't ignore the offensive line as many have charged. He addressed it incompetently. Same with the linebackers.
I've said the same thing for years about the OL. He never ignored it. He made a few fundamental mistakes. One, he waited too long to start addressing it via the draft to re-stock while players aged. Two, as his three high picks were inserted (each started as a rookie), they ended up with a range of terrible to OK. This is not a good return on high picks. Three, he made a number of FA signings, which almost all turned out to be disasters. Not overpaid a little...disasters. There seems to be an issue with our evaluation of OL play both on our team and in evaluating the draft and FA. There also seems to be an issue with our OL coaching, as there has not been any significant improvement in the play of individuals or the unit.
mdc and idol  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 3:07 pm : link
it is not an echo chamber, this was reported by Aditi Kinkhabwala of NFL Network when this was all going down. Reese recommended 2 coaching candidates over McAdoo.
I'm not defending  
ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 3:08 pm : link
Reese. It's possible he wasn't a good GM the past 4 seasons and he also didn't want McAdoo as coach. These things can be mutually exclusive.
Reese screwed the Giants  
Alwaysblue22 : 12/7/2017 3:26 pm : link
He had a blind spot for O-Linemen and linebackers and never overcame that. Stop defending someone who did a terrible job building a roster. No Coach could be successful with the roster holes he left on this team on a continuous basis. People give him too much credit for the 2 SBs. Eli was drafted by Ernie Accorsi and NOT REESE. If it were not for ELI, there would be no SBs since the Parcells days.
Reese should have never been hired in the  
TMS : 12/7/2017 3:28 pm : link
first place. Coughlin brought the Giants back and was responsible for their success. Reese went along for the ride and got to pose and posture as a GM while making a lot of $$$. Everybody in the organization knows that I am sure. A real GM and ELI and the Giants a win few more SBs.
Zero Chance Jerry Reese was Screwed by Giants...  
M.S. : 12/7/2017 3:33 pm : link

...he had a very nice, long career with the organization making a very fine salary, not to mention what he will be receiveing while essentially on the beach.

As for his performance, I'm willing to recognize his successes many of which have been listed here.

But he proved to be ineffective in replenishing our O-line and LB corp. The O-line cost him his job and has created misery for Giants fans for half a decade.

Not good.

LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/7/2017 3:36 pm : link
This is the kind of moronic shit that these threads foster

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Reese should have never been hired in the
TMS : 3:28 pm : link : reply
first place. Coughlin brought the Giants back and was responsible for their success. Reese went along for the ride and got to pose and posture as a GM while making a lot of $$$. Everybody in the organization knows that I am sure. A real GM and ELI and the Giants a win few more SBs.


I wish fans were able to be fired for being fucking idiots. Might temper the way they look at the team. Then again - it might just be a cleanse of schmucks that don't have a clue
Yeah, Poor Jerry  
Bernie : 12/7/2017 3:39 pm : link
he was saddled with a future HOF QB around which to build. I mean, can you imagine being dealt such a bad hand and then be expected to make chicken salad out of chicken shit? Maybe his next team will be more understanding.
As a GM, as the title suggests  
TurdFurguson : 12/7/2017 3:53 pm : link
Is to MANAGE. Resse knew on the onset of every year what his strengths and weaknesses were and should have reacted accordingly. If you know you have an aging QB who isn’t mobile I would imagine you draft for need unless you know you are reaching. If you can’t find value where you have a need and BPA isn’t good value, trade for assets/picks.

Granted, all these guys have egos, but that doesn’t mean lack of self-awareness. Always got the sense from his conferences Reese thought he was the smartest guy in the room (as limited as his conferences were).

Reese should also be aware of leadership gaps, which McAdoo should have informed him of. Instead he obstinately stuck to his gameplan and this is what happens as a result.

Had his ups and downs, but we’re beyond “what have you done for me lately” at this point.
RE: Disgregard that, formatting messed up....  
Dan in the Springs : 12/7/2017 5:25 pm : link
In comment 13729149 Britt in VA said:
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what I said was:

And yet, Eli still had time to take 5 and 7 step drops and wait for guys to get open downfield in 2011.

In 2017, he's getting hit as he releases the ball in 1.9 seconds on 3 step drops.


That's a mischaracterization. I agree that he's had to deal with a bad line, but he seems to also be less willing to let take the deep shot. That may be due to coaching, scheme or maybe he's hearing footsteps, but he's much more willing to dump off now than he was, regardless of whether there is any pressure.
RE: RE: Reese  
cosmicj : 12/7/2017 5:35 pm : link

He's had a mixed track record here - had a terrific 5-6 years of drafting and building a roster, followed by 6 lousy ones. Was time for a new voice - but he did an overall good job for this organization and should be thanked for his efforts. Its ok not to have an extreme view once in a while. No... really. [/quote]

Well said, MAB. I think Reese was clearly a talented scout with an eye for talent at certain positions. Notice how his top 2 picks this last draft are actively contributing on the field. Two weeks ago, I was of the opinion that Jerry would survive this season. I think the fiasco with the Eli benching and Reese's undetermined role in this led to his being fired.
Yeah the Giants really screwed him  
steve in ky : 12/7/2017 6:33 pm : link
when they saddled him with Coughlin and Eli.

RE: mdc and idol  
mdc1 : 12/7/2017 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13729277 ryanmkeane said:
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it is not an echo chamber, this was reported by Aditi Kinkhabwala of NFL Network when this was all going down. Reese recommended 2 coaching candidates over McAdoo.


Who were the 2 candidates?
Reese will be fine  
aquidneck : 12/8/2017 6:33 am : link
Aren't the Giants paying the rest of his contract?

If he wants it, I have no doubt that he'll land another GM gig, and if that happens whatever team he ends up with will most likely have a better, more seasoned GM than the Giants end up with.
dumbest post I have ever read,  
Jersey55 : 12/8/2017 4:34 pm : link
Jerry Reese screwed by the Giants, this sounds to me like the ravages of too much drugs or alcohol....
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