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Bloodletting begins in Cleveland - Browns fire Brown

ZogZerg : 12/7/2017 10:55 am
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Shepherding a team with a 1-27 record over two seasons, Brown was the subject of increasing criticism for passing on a pair of brilliant young quarterbacks -- Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson -- in back-to-back drafts while Cleveland remained stunningly bare at the position.


Disaster of a franchise. Hopefully this won't be the Giants in a few years....
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With this move, it also makes Hue safe for another year.  
Diver_Down : 12/7/2017 10:57 am : link
It will complicate their FO search as the new guy will be hamstrung with Hue.
Rumor has it the owner wants Peyton Manning  
bceagle05 : 12/7/2017 10:59 am : link
to run the football operation. Maybe that will get Darnold out of USC.
I wonder if  
pjcas18 : 12/7/2017 11:00 am : link
DePo gets let go too.

and returns to baseball.

I'd much rather have him as the heir apparent to Sandy Alderson than Ricco or Riccardi or other names I've heard.
So what happens to Paul DePotesta?  
johnnyb : 12/7/2017 11:00 am : link
What a head scratcher hiring him in the first place.

I would think Hue Jackson is safe for another year. It really is not his fault the front office is so dysfunctional.
hmm  
giantfan2000 : 12/7/2017 11:01 am : link
wondering why this happened a two days after we let go Jerry Reese?

I bet he gets this job
Reese to Cleveland? hmm..If Joe Thomas doesn't come to him...  
GiantBlue : 12/7/2017 11:06 am : link
Reese will go to Joe Thomas!
RE: hmm  
81_Great_Dane : 12/7/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13728880 giantfan2000 said:
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wondering why this happened a two days after we let go Jerry Reese?

I bet he gets this job
Yep. JR would be an upgrade for them.
RE: hmm  
Diver_Down : 12/7/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13728880 giantfan2000 said:
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wondering why this happened a two days after we let go Jerry Reese?

I bet he gets this job


It could be a possibility, but Ian Rapoport mentioned that Dorsey has been linked to Cleveland. I think the Browns don't want to miss out on any prospects so they want to get into the search while we are still looking.
RE: Rumor has it the owner wants Peyton Manning  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 12/7/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13728870 bceagle05 said:
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to run the football operation. Maybe that will get Darnold out of USC.


Haslam is the one who orchestrated the disaster of a hiring down at the University of Tennessee. Peyton Manning is part of the final interview process there.

There is a rumor that when Eli hangs them up, that the Mannings want to buy and run their own Franchise in the NFL.

if they hire him  
Rocky369 : 12/7/2017 11:07 am : link
with Scouting in mind, Browns might be able to get something going finally.
They kept kicking the can down the road  
Modus Operandi : 12/7/2017 11:13 am : link
On the most important position in the game. Everyone thought they were brilliant the last few years after bringing in a baseball guy and loading up on picks by trading down. I was one of the few dissenters here and killed them for trading down and not grabbing one of the top two QBs.

This is be a cautionary tale. Go get a top QB you believe in and the build the team around him.

I still...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/7/2017 11:17 am : link
think if the browns had kept Derek Anderson they'd have been a lot more successful than they have been and could've avoided the fiascos of some of the QB signings/drafts they have made.
RE: They kept kicking the can down the road  
BrettNYG10 : 12/7/2017 11:18 am : link
In comment 13728911 Modus Operandi said:
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On the most important position in the game. Everyone thought they were brilliant the last few years after bringing in a baseball guy and loading up on picks by trading down. I was one of the few dissenters here and killed them for trading down and not grabbing one of the top two QBs.

This is be a cautionary tale. Go get a top QB you believe in and the build the team around him.


I don't think teams should force a QB - Jaguars with Gabbert/Bortles, for example - the Browns issue was that they just got the analysis on those two guys massively wrong.
RE: RE: Rumor has it the owner wants Peyton Manning  
yankeeslover : 12/7/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13728892 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13728870 bceagle05 said:


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to run the football operation. Maybe that will get Darnold out of USC.



Haslam is the one who orchestrated the disaster of a hiring down at the University of Tennessee. Peyton Manning is part of the final interview process there.

There is a rumor that when Eli hangs them up, that the Mannings want to buy and run their own Franchise in the NFL.


Any chance the Maras sell? LOL
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ryanmkeane : 12/7/2017 11:21 am : link
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BrettNYG10 : 12/7/2017 11:23 am : link
By the way, what the hell has Jackson done to earn another year? Didn't he want McCarron?
RE: RE: Rumor has it the owner wants Peyton Manning  
totowa_gman : 12/7/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13728892 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13728870 bceagle05 said:


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to run the football operation. Maybe that will get Darnold out of USC.



Haslam is the one who orchestrated the disaster of a hiring down at the University of Tennessee. Peyton Manning is part of the final interview process there.

There is a rumor that when Eli hangs them up, that the Mannings want to buy and run their own Franchise in the NFL.


Do they really have that kind of money? These franchises are worth billions.
The fundamental problem here  
Modus Operandi : 12/7/2017 11:24 am : link
Isn't the lack of a GM. It's the total cluelessness and meddling of dumb ownership. I feel for Depodesta.
RE: RE: RE: Rumor has it the owner wants Peyton Manning  
Modus Operandi : 12/7/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13728933 totowa_gman said:
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In comment 13728870 bceagle05 said:


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to run the football operation. Maybe that will get Darnold out of USC.



Haslam is the one who orchestrated the disaster of a hiring down at the University of Tennessee. Peyton Manning is part of the final interview process there.

There is a rumor that when Eli hangs them up, that the Mannings want to buy and run their own Franchise in the NFL.




Do they really have that kind of money? These franchises are worth billions.


The existing organizations, sure. An expansion franchise in Memphis (let's say) wouldn't. The NFL would certainly love it. The fans would love it.
RE: They kept kicking the can down the road  
djm : 12/7/2017 11:38 am : link
In comment 13728911 Modus Operandi said:
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On the most important position in the game. Everyone thought they were brilliant the last few years after bringing in a baseball guy and loading up on picks by trading down. I was one of the few dissenters here and killed them for trading down and not grabbing one of the top two QBs.

This is be a cautionary tale. Go get a top QB you believe in and the build the team around him.


Even worse the Browns have drafted a bunch of QBs in rounds 2-3. Shit they even drafted a couple in the latter stages of round 1. They are a mess.
They are apparently keeping Hue Jackson  
Ben in Tampa : 12/7/2017 11:42 am : link
For 2018
I posted this last week  
giantfan2000 : 12/7/2017 11:47 am : link
Reese fired by Giants
Reese gets Cleveland GM job
Reese privy to Giants post Mcadoo plans hires Giants #1 Pick for Cleveland HC
Darnold passes on draft
Reese drafts Rosen


this could turn bad as well  
Rocky369 : 12/7/2017 11:52 am : link
if you believe Mara inked McAdoo because he was scared that Philly was going to nab him. Might rush to sign someone that doesn't get proper attention.
I'm not sure the Browns do go QB in the 1st round  
PatersonPlank : 12/7/2017 11:53 am : link
They drafted Kizer high in the 2nd last year, and seem to think highly of him. They have also have thrown him into the fire, and are working through the rookie growing pains.
They need a lot of things, but if they think Kizer is the guy then they may look elsewhere.
the Browns issue is they have put  
Rory : 12/7/2017 11:57 am : link
themselves in a box where they are so dam scared to draft another QB and have it fail before them.

They continuously build off the wrong formula.

They draft rookie QB's to start when they have no play makers

They draft playmakers when they have a backup QB starting.

I have a feeling alot of this is fallout from the non AJ Mcaron / Jimmy Grap signing
RE: I posted this last week  
fireitup77 : 12/7/2017 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13728977 giantfan2000 said:
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Reese fired by Giants
Reese gets Cleveland GM job
Reese privy to Giants post Mcadoo plans hires Giants #1 Pick for Cleveland HC
Darnold passes on draft
Reese drafts Rosen



How would Reese know the Giants plan for HC?
God I thought we sucked at picking in the top 10  
est1986 : 12/7/2017 12:11 pm : link
Browns Top 10 picks of recent

Trent Richardson 3rd! Passed on Luke Kuechly and Fletcher Cox...
Barkevious Mingo 6th! To be fair this was an overall awful/weak first round IMO
Just Gilbert 8th! Passed on Odell, Donald, Martin etc. smh

Myles Garrett looks like a stud at least he didn't fuck that one up, that would have been almost impossible
It seems like the Browns didn't want the Giants to get  
ZogZerg : 12/7/2017 12:12 pm : link
too far of a head start on the GM search. Maybe they are worried that the Giants may be interested in some of the same folks.
come on est  
Gregorio : 12/7/2017 12:19 pm : link
one thing the Browns got right, was the most-interesting-name-of-the-draft award....


Barkevious Mingo 6th!
please take Darnaud  
spike : 12/7/2017 12:20 pm : link
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RE: RE: hmm  
Gman11 : 12/7/2017 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13728890 81_Great_Dane said:
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wondering why this happened a two days after we let go Jerry Reese?

I bet he gets this job

Yep. JR would be an upgrade for them.


A plank of wood would be an upgrade.
RE: I'm not sure the Browns do go QB in the 1st round  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13728988 PatersonPlank said:
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They drafted Kizer high in the 2nd last year, and seem to think highly of him. They have also have thrown him into the fire, and are working through the rookie growing pains.
They need a lot of things, but if they think Kizer is the guy then they may look elsewhere.

Hue Jackson reportedly is done with Kizer and wants another QB. After passing on Wentz and Watson there is no way ownership will allow them to pass on another potential franchise QB.
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Mr. Bungle : 12/7/2017 12:51 pm : link
Mack will apply for that VP Job  
Alwaysblue22 : 12/7/2017 1:00 pm : link
The Browns will be stupid enough to hire him.
I really hope they don't name John Dorsey GM  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 2:15 pm : link
I expect the Giants to take an established GM leaving Dorsey as the best available.
Maybe they will fall in love  
spike : 12/7/2017 3:05 pm : link
With allen
RE: please take Darnaud  
pjcas18 : 12/7/2017 3:10 pm : link
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Travis?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Rumor has it the owner wants Peyton Manning  
FStubbs : 12/7/2017 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13728943 Modus Operandi said:
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to run the football operation. Maybe that will get Darnold out of USC.



Haslam is the one who orchestrated the disaster of a hiring down at the University of Tennessee. Peyton Manning is part of the final interview process there.

There is a rumor that when Eli hangs them up, that the Mannings want to buy and run their own Franchise in the NFL.




Do they really have that kind of money? These franchises are worth billions.



The existing organizations, sure. An expansion franchise in Memphis (let's say) wouldn't. The NFL would certainly love it. The fans would love it.


I don't think the Tennessee Titans would like it very much.
Giants are a breath away from a rerun of the years of the mid 60's to  
plato : 12/7/2017 7:05 pm : link
Early 80's. One or two wrong moves, which are not unlikely with this ownership, and I won't live to see another Giant winning season.
Plato,  
OldPolack : 12/7/2017 7:38 pm : link
I have the same concerns. Keep the faith.
RE: Giants are a breath away from a rerun of the years of the mid 60's to  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/7/2017 7:41 pm : link
In comment 13729551 plato said:
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Early 80's. One or two wrong moves, which are not unlikely with this ownership, and I won't live to see another Giant winning season.


That's being terribly over dramatic.
back to the Future  
Rafflee : 12/7/2017 10:04 pm : link
ack to the 60's/70's???

Rafflee : 12/5/2017 11:18 pm
I have a Bad Feeling about the Giants drifting back to those lost years. Think about THESE last two years---- Coughlin is Gone... Reese is Gone...These Guys are The Giants!!!..... and now Eli is on the Doorstep!!!!!!!

Blame it on Time.... I've got some Hunch that it can be blamed on Mara as well---- They are about to Cut The Line that goes all the Way back to Geoge Young.

George...Accorsi...Coughlin, Reese...and soon Manning..... this cuts all the way back to 1986....Forty-two years ago???

This is Lost Treasure, with little in sight.
RE: Giants are a breath away from a rerun of the years of the mid 60's to  
chopperhatch : 12/8/2017 12:55 am : link
In comment 13729551 plato said:
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Early 80's. One or two wrong moves, which are not unlikely with this ownership, and I won't live to see another Giant winning season.


Enjoy your last years. Excuse me for not giving a shit.
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