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Gettleman is Reese with a worse resume

twostepgiants : 12/7/2017 11:50 am
“Some staffers also didn’t like how Gettleman reshaped the roster following the 2015 Super Bowl season, leaving yawning gaps in the secondary and along the offensive line that were exposed during a 6-10 campaign last year.”

Change secondary to linebackers and that could have been written about Jerry Reese.

Gettleman took over in 2013 and the team went to the Super Bowl in 2015. That team was largely built before him with Newton being the largest piece and he didnt acquire him. Didn’t hire the HC. Didn’t draft Kuechly. 7 of the 8 Carolina all-Pros were already on the roster before Gettleman. Sounds just like Reese in 07.

Gettleman rebuilt the roster right after the SB and what have they done since? Much like Reese who when he had to reshape the roster after 2011 it fell apart.

“The bridges that were burned with former players, the growing tension within the building and some of the post-Super Bowl personnel decisions – notably rescinding cornerback Josh Norman’s franchise tag in April 2016 – played a part in Gettleman’s ouster.”

The Giants are now plagued by dissension with players and personnel decisions stemming from Beckhams handling, Eli’s benching, the handling of DRC and Jenkins. A lot falls on McAdoo for this though but Reese was GM so he is too.

“In interviews with more than a dozen team and league sources, the Observer learned that Gettleman’s brusque management style – which had made him unpopular with some Carolina players from his earliest days as GM – had begun to wear thin throughout the organization.”

Reese was known for his brusque style as well, at least in his public persona and handling the media.


Gettleman sounds very similar to Reese to me. Except he didnt last 10 seasons, he lasted 4. he didn’t win 2 Super Bowls, he just went to one and lost it. And didnt even build the roster that went to it either.

Leaving the OL in bad shape, understocking positions. Brusque style. Player gripes. Reese 2.0 without the rings.
Inside Story of Gettleman’s Firing - ( New Window )
I would  
cokeduplt : 12/7/2017 11:52 am : link
Be disappointed if he was the next GM. It just seems lazy and more of the same.
Back in 1998  
Arkbach : 12/7/2017 11:58 am : link
I remember one of the first things Bill Parcells did when taking over the Jets was to fire Gettleman. That's how we got him.
Heres more  
twostepgiants : 12/7/2017 12:07 pm : link
"gettleman believes that there are certain positions that are worth X amount of dollars. He feels other positions aren’t worth as much, and he was going to manage his cap predicated on that."

Sounds like how Reese views things. Short change OL and LB
Another Article - ( New Window )
RE: Back in 1998  
Mad Mike : 12/7/2017 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13728997 Arkbach said:
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I remember one of the first things Bill Parcells did when taking over the Jets was to fire Gettleman. That's how we got him.

Your memory isn't what you think it is.
If Giants want change, its not Gettleman  
twostepgiants : 12/7/2017 12:10 pm : link
"Gettleman wants to do, which is the [New York] Giants’ way of doing business — size and speed, rewarding certain positions based on the ratings and based on the rankings, and trying to get the team younger and not overpaying for certain things. "
This sounds familiar  
twostepgiants : 12/7/2017 12:12 pm : link
"And there was a lot of hoopla made that apparently Gettleman was saying that Thomas Davis was deteriorated as a player, and doesn’t have the same value, "

Sounds like maybe how Reese/McAdoo viewed Eli Manning
I don't think many on this board...  
Racer : 12/7/2017 12:13 pm : link
...have a notion of what went on in Carolina based on the level of Gettleman bashing.

Somebody posted this article on another thread. I have family in Charlotte and have kept track pretty closely. I agree with the author's take 100pct.
Ruiz on Gettleman 7/2017 - ( New Window )
Gettleman did face a lot of salary cap issues with the Panthers  
tangled up in blue : 12/7/2017 12:14 pm : link
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RE: Back in 1998  
arcarsenal : 12/7/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13728997 Arkbach said:
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I remember one of the first things Bill Parcells did when taking over the Jets was to fire Gettleman. That's how we got him.


When did Gettleman ever work for the Jets?
I Stand Corrected  
Arkbach : 12/7/2017 12:16 pm : link
Must have been someone else Parcells fired. Wikepedia says he came from Denver.
has to considered the favorite  
sundayatone : 12/7/2017 12:21 pm : link
mara is terrified to hire people with know giant ties.
RE: has to considered the favorite  
RottenApple : 12/7/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13729036 sundayatone said:
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mara is terrified to hire people with know giant ties.


That’s just pure laziness. This guy shouldn’t even be in consideration.
My fear  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/7/2017 12:38 pm : link
has the Giants hiring Gettleman, waiting for the Bears to eventually fire John Fox, and then hiring him to coach the Giants all based on "family connections"

Though in that scenario (Gettleman-Fox), I could see Fox wanting to keep Eli as his QB because offensive football is not his thing and will simply entrust that side of the ball to one person while he primarily works with the defense.

The one thing you cannot do is hire Fox and use your top pick to draft a QB. The gross mismanagement that is going on with Trubisky and the Bears right now that I have seen this year here would happen to us.
We need a clean break from the past  
Alwaysblue22 : 12/7/2017 12:55 pm : link
If the Giants are truly committed to excellence then they cannot hire anyone previously connected to this mediocre franchise. Compared to teams like NE and Pittsburgh the Giants are a cash cow for the Mara Family and not an organization committed to winning football. If you compare wins and loses between these organizations over the last ten years you will see what i mean. Forget about the 10-6 and 9-7 teams that got hot and rode ELI to two super bowl titles. Those two teams were not dominant teams they were 10-6 and 9-7. You are what your record says you are. The SB win in 2010 with a 9-7 team set this franchise back because it created the illusion that Jerry Reese knew what he was doing. Now that the reality has clearly emerged and that has been erased we must not go back to the old Giants way of doing things. I urge ownership to take a close look at people from the NE and Pittsburgh organization. If you do not hire form those teams use them as a model. NE and Pitt have been consistently excellent and they know how to select players and build a roster even without top 5 draft picks. They know when to get rid of players when they are about to decline. This is how we must build the Giants so they become the cornerstone of excellence in the NFL as they should be in addition to being the so-called media Flag-ship franchise of the league.
he drafted 2 good corners in 2016 in Bradberry and Worley  
Banks : 12/7/2017 1:52 pm : link
in the early rounds. I don't think Reese could say that in regard to the linebackers. As far as the Oline, he drafted a pro bowler in Trai Turner in 2014 and Daryl Williams (2015) looks like a good pick. He signed Kalil before getting canned. He hasn't played all that well, but I don't think many saw that coming.
RE: he drafted 2 good corners in 2016 in Bradberry and Worley  
Jay on the Island : 12/7/2017 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13729179 Banks said:
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in the early rounds. I don't think Reese could say that in regard to the linebackers. As far as the Oline, he drafted a pro bowler in Trai Turner in 2014 and Daryl Williams (2015) looks like a good pick. He signed Kalil before getting canned. He hasn't played all that well, but I don't think many saw that coming.

He also signed Michael Oher to start at LT when he struggled there and at RT in the past. Gettleman would keep the status quo and I really hope that he isn't the new GM. We need a new direction.
The gist of this article is, again  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/7/2017 2:33 pm : link
Gettleman made hard choices, and a couple choices about veterans that the owner didn't like. That's why he's out. They don't really delve into "leaving the O line with holes," but the Panthers are currently 8-4. They do go into the Josh Norman episode, which looked dumb at the time. However, Norman is making 20 million with Washington, while his replacement (James Bradberry) is making $900,000 against the cap this year, while he was ranked the number one rookie corner by PFF last year. Seems smart to me.

I am not 100% behind Gettleman, I haven't seen all the candidates yet. But I think he can do the job.
RE: Heres more  
Victor in CT : 12/7/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13729010 twostepgiants said:
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"gettleman believes that there are certain positions that are worth X amount of dollars. He feels other positions aren’t worth as much, and he was going to manage his cap predicated on that."

Sounds like how Reese views things. Short change OL and LB Another Article - ( New Window )


So does every GM. GM has to have a plan to priorotize cap $$. Find the one whose philosophy you agree with and hire him.
RE: We need a clean break from the past  
kinard : 12/7/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13729104 Alwaysblue22 said:
[quote] If you compare wins and loses between these organizations over the last ten years you will see what i mean. Forget about the 10-6 and 9-7 teams that got hot and rode ELI to two super bowl titles. Those two teams were not dominant teams they were 10-6 and 9-7.

Oh stop it. Patriots compile wins because they play in a division with the Dolphins, Jets and Bills and, similarly, the Steelers play against the Browns, Bengals and Ravens. If either team played in the NFC East chances are they wouldn't be winning 11 or 12 games every year.

Compare Super Bowls that last 10 years. Patriots have two, we have two and the Steelers have one. Isn't that really the name of the game? Can you name one coach or executive that came from the Steelers or the Patriots who has succeeded elsewhere? Patriots win because they have Belichick and Brady and they often get home field advantage because their division is so bad every year.

Want an example of Giants dominance? How about the run between the end of 2007 through November of 2008. That team won 15 of 16 games in that span against a bunch of good teams. I'd say that's pretty dominant.

But I guess they didn't know what they were doing...
Interesting discussion and links...  
DonQuixote : 12/7/2017 4:37 pm : link
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RE: I would  
santacruzom : 12/7/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13728983 cokeduplt said:
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Be disappointed if he was the next GM. It just seems lazy and more of the same.


I am preparing myself for disappointment, but out of superstition: I prepared myself for disappointment when the new Warriors' ownership arrived, and then when they traded Monta Ellis, and then when they fired Mark Jackson, and it's been an awesome experience ever since.
I really thought the dismissal of Reese's and  
joeinpa : 12/7/2017 5:32 pm : link
MacAdoo on the same day would change the negative tone here to one of excitement.

Today s threads have proven that premise inaccurate.
I liked the article about Gettleman linked above and am  
Ira : 12/7/2017 5:45 pm : link
thinking more highly about him as a result. As far as the sentiment that we need a clean break from the past - that's not what we need. We need a good gm who will make good decisions and who isn't afraid to make tough choices.
I would be down with Gettleman  
Modus Operandi : 12/7/2017 6:20 pm : link
He showed the balls necessary to make tough decisions when up against the cap, including getting rid of some popular, older players who weren't performing up to snuff.

I hear the connections to Giants concerns. Perhaps a valid concern. But the NFL is a relatively small community. Chances are, anyone with any experience with coaching or running any aspect of a franchise - be it managing the cap, scouting, etc - is going to have some connection to the Giants.

The fact that Gettleman was fired from CAR should have no bearing on our decision unless there is more than meets the eye. Anyone who's spent any time in the league has been let go or left. Same as in RL. Important part is what is his philosophy in terms of player acquisition, team building, coaching and whether it meshes at all with what we have in place. Do we want a total rebuild? Has he learned and improved since his time in CAR or even his previous stint with the NYG?

Remains to be seen. But on the face of it, I thing he's a good candidate.
RE: I really thought the dismissal of Reese's and  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/7/2017 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13729471 joeinpa said:
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MacAdoo on the same day would change the negative tone here to one of excitement.

Today s threads have proven that premise inaccurate.


The unknown is both exciting and worrisome.Nothing that happened this week was going to make someone like Doomster suddenly have an optimistic outlook. If you think John Mara is suddenly a meddling bad owner, then you think he's going to mess these decisions up. If you think the Giants are generally competent, then you're probably excited to see what happens.
GMs have next to no margin for error these days  
djm : 12/7/2017 6:50 pm : link
If you don't have the legendary qb and or legendary head coach the gm is Likely to take some inevitable heat when the team slips. And most teams slip because of today's NFL.

I almost don't even care who the gm is. I just want the Giants to bring in an awesome HC and young qb. It won't matter who the gm is if we draft another great qb. And many GMs don't have to be anything special to find that great qb.
RE: I would be down with Gettleman  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/7/2017 6:53 pm : link
In comment 13729515 Modus Operandi said:
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The fact that Gettleman was fired from CAR should have no bearing on our decision unless there is more than meets the eye.


I'd absolutely want to know why a candidate was fired at a previous stop before I assessed his fitness for a job at my company. Why would the standard be any different in a billion dollar performance-based industry. Especially if it was known that you were fired, and the company hired back the person that you yourself replaced.
RE: GMs have next to no margin for error these days  
twostepgiants : 12/7/2017 7:53 pm : link
How is that working out for Andrew Luck?

How did that work out for Eli and TC circa 2012-2015?

In comment 13729539 djm said:
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If you don't have the legendary qb and or legendary head coach the gm is Likely to take some inevitable heat when the team slips. And most teams slip because of today's NFL.

I almost don't even care who the gm is. I just want the Giants to bring in an awesome HC and young qb. It won't matter who the gm is if we draft another great qb. And many GMs don't have to be anything special to find that great qb.
Gettleman  
Joey in VA : 12/7/2017 8:40 pm : link
Was doing just fine in Carolina and the players he "hurt" are doing essentially fuck all elsewhere and the Panthers are back in the hunt even with a whiny me first prima donna QB with a shit running game and WRs. Gettleman builds inside out first, Reese is the opposite. I'd take Gettleman in here in a second flat, he understands team building and understands that football is still a man's game, not "Basketball on grass". Look at our FA success when he ran pro personnel and after he left and you will see a stark dropoff. I'm fine with him as GM, he knows this sport and knows how to manage a team and find talent where it matters. Who do you think scrounged to bring back Chase Blackburn for the 46 SB Run? He KNEW he needed a heady MLB but the GM chucked the slow non basketball player to the curb and Blackburn saved our bacon. It may be a grandiose example, but Gettleman is a football guy, Reese is a stop watch guy.
To people questioning the OL left with holes  
twostepgiants : 12/7/2017 9:11 pm : link
Bevause he drafted 2 OL and signed Oher

Didnt Reese draft Flowers and Pugh and sign guys like Schwartz and Walton?

Yet he still left the OL filled with holes

Same with Gettleman
Time for someone outside the echo  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/7/2017 9:13 pm : link
chamber that ownership has built. Gettleman wouldn’t be a horrible hire but they need new voices. Badly.
RE: Gettleman  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/7/2017 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13729598 Joey in VA said:
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Gettleman builds inside out first, Reese is the opposite.


Can we really make that declaration? In 5 Gettleman drafts, you've got two offensive linemen in the 2nd, one in the third, and two in the fourth. One of the fourth rounders never appeared in a game and was released.

If we're evaluating GMs, it bears mentioning that he also missed on Benjamin at 28th, if you want to blame injuires, that explanation doesn't seem to be extended to Reese. Missed on Ealy at 60th in the same draft, Missed on Shaq Thompson at 25th the very next year. And traded a 2, a 3 and a 6 for Devin Funchess in the second in 2015. This place would melt down if giants had a draft like this.

Too many blown picks at a point in the draft you expect to get starters.



God no to Gettleman  
GiantTuff1 : 12/7/2017 11:36 pm : link
If you’re going to hire Gettleman, should have just held onto reese.

Gettleman returning as an accessory hire is fine but not as the guy.

Oh and did i mention Marc Ross should have been the one to leave the building first, if anything. I hope a post season evaluation sees him out the door too. He may be the most or at least equally responsible party as Ben and Jerry so how does he remain? Clean house Mara. The right way.
Gettleman left the Giants after 2011 when we won  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/8/2017 12:13 am : link
the Super Bowl right?
The annual records since:
2017 2-10
2016 11-5 2nd, NFC East Lost to Packers
2015 6-10 3rd, NFC East
2014 6-10 3rd, NFC East
2013 7-9 3rd, NFC East
2012 9-7 2nd, NFC East

Other than 2016 we've been pretty pedestrian since he left. But I'm sure the argument can be made that he had little impact on our talent.
Gettleman went to Carolina at the end of the 2012 season. Took over  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/8/2017 1:28 am : link
in January 2013.
RE: Gettleman went to Carolina at the end of the 2012 season. Took over  
Thunderstruck27 : 12/8/2017 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13729729 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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in January 2013.


You're right. My bad...I forgot he held a different position with the Giants in 2012. But that year we still had a winning record. So...I'd argue that we were even worse without him.
If we were going to hire a GM that has ties to the organization...I'd want it to be Gettleman.
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