“Some staffers also didn’t like how Gettleman reshaped the roster following the 2015 Super Bowl season, leaving yawning gaps in the secondary and along the offensive line that were exposed during a 6-10 campaign last year.”
Change secondary to linebackers and that could have been written about Jerry Reese.
Gettleman took over in 2013 and the team went to the Super Bowl in 2015. That team was largely built before him with Newton being the largest piece and he didnt acquire him. Didn’t hire the HC. Didn’t draft Kuechly. 7 of the 8 Carolina all-Pros were already on the roster before Gettleman. Sounds just like Reese in 07.
Gettleman rebuilt the roster right after the SB and what have they done since? Much like Reese who when he had to reshape the roster after 2011 it fell apart.
“The bridges that were burned with former players, the growing tension within the building and some of the post-Super Bowl personnel decisions – notably rescinding cornerback Josh Norman’s franchise tag in April 2016 – played a part in Gettleman’s ouster.”
The Giants are now plagued by dissension with players and personnel decisions stemming from Beckhams handling, Eli’s benching, the handling of DRC and Jenkins. A lot falls on McAdoo for this though but Reese was GM so he is too.
“In interviews with more than a dozen team and league sources, the Observer learned that Gettleman’s brusque management style – which had made him unpopular with some Carolina players from his earliest days as GM – had begun to wear thin throughout the organization.”
Reese was known for his brusque style as well, at least in his public persona and handling the media.
Gettleman sounds very similar to Reese to me. Except he didnt last 10 seasons, he lasted 4. he didn’t win 2 Super Bowls, he just went to one and lost it. And didnt even build the roster that went to it either.
Leaving the OL in bad shape, understocking positions. Brusque style. Player gripes. Reese 2.0 without the rings.
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Sounds like how Reese views things. Short change OL and LB
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Your memory isn't what you think it is.
Sounds like maybe how Reese/McAdoo viewed Eli Manning
Somebody posted this article on another thread. I have family in Charlotte and have kept track pretty closely. I agree with the author's take 100pct.
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When did Gettleman ever work for the Jets?
That’s just pure laziness. This guy shouldn’t even be in consideration.
Though in that scenario (Gettleman-Fox), I could see Fox wanting to keep Eli as his QB because offensive football is not his thing and will simply entrust that side of the ball to one person while he primarily works with the defense.
The one thing you cannot do is hire Fox and use your top pick to draft a QB. The gross mismanagement that is going on with Trubisky and the Bears right now that I have seen this year here would happen to us.
He also signed Michael Oher to start at LT when he struggled there and at RT in the past. Gettleman would keep the status quo and I really hope that he isn't the new GM. We need a new direction.
I am not 100% behind Gettleman, I haven't seen all the candidates yet. But I think he can do the job.
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So does every GM. GM has to have a plan to priorotize cap $$. Find the one whose philosophy you agree with and hire him.
[quote] If you compare wins and loses between these organizations over the last ten years you will see what i mean. Forget about the 10-6 and 9-7 teams that got hot and rode ELI to two super bowl titles. Those two teams were not dominant teams they were 10-6 and 9-7.
Oh stop it. Patriots compile wins because they play in a division with the Dolphins, Jets and Bills and, similarly, the Steelers play against the Browns, Bengals and Ravens. If either team played in the NFC East chances are they wouldn't be winning 11 or 12 games every year.
Compare Super Bowls that last 10 years. Patriots have two, we have two and the Steelers have one. Isn't that really the name of the game? Can you name one coach or executive that came from the Steelers or the Patriots who has succeeded elsewhere? Patriots win because they have Belichick and Brady and they often get home field advantage because their division is so bad every year.
Want an example of Giants dominance? How about the run between the end of 2007 through November of 2008. That team won 15 of 16 games in that span against a bunch of good teams. I'd say that's pretty dominant.
But I guess they didn't know what they were doing...
I am preparing myself for disappointment, but out of superstition: I prepared myself for disappointment when the new Warriors' ownership arrived, and then when they traded Monta Ellis, and then when they fired Mark Jackson, and it's been an awesome experience ever since.
Today s threads have proven that premise inaccurate.
I hear the connections to Giants concerns. Perhaps a valid concern. But the NFL is a relatively small community. Chances are, anyone with any experience with coaching or running any aspect of a franchise - be it managing the cap, scouting, etc - is going to have some connection to the Giants.
The fact that Gettleman was fired from CAR should have no bearing on our decision unless there is more than meets the eye. Anyone who's spent any time in the league has been let go or left. Same as in RL. Important part is what is his philosophy in terms of player acquisition, team building, coaching and whether it meshes at all with what we have in place. Do we want a total rebuild? Has he learned and improved since his time in CAR or even his previous stint with the NYG?
Remains to be seen. But on the face of it, I thing he's a good candidate.
Today s threads have proven that premise inaccurate.
The unknown is both exciting and worrisome.Nothing that happened this week was going to make someone like Doomster suddenly have an optimistic outlook. If you think John Mara is suddenly a meddling bad owner, then you think he's going to mess these decisions up. If you think the Giants are generally competent, then you're probably excited to see what happens.
I almost don't even care who the gm is. I just want the Giants to bring in an awesome HC and young qb. It won't matter who the gm is if we draft another great qb. And many GMs don't have to be anything special to find that great qb.
The fact that Gettleman was fired from CAR should have no bearing on our decision unless there is more than meets the eye.
I'd absolutely want to know why a candidate was fired at a previous stop before I assessed his fitness for a job at my company. Why would the standard be any different in a billion dollar performance-based industry. Especially if it was known that you were fired, and the company hired back the person that you yourself replaced.
How did that work out for Eli and TC circa 2012-2015?
In comment 13729539 djm said:
I almost don't even care who the gm is. I just want the Giants to bring in an awesome HC and young qb. It won't matter who the gm is if we draft another great qb. And many GMs don't have to be anything special to find that great qb.
Didnt Reese draft Flowers and Pugh and sign guys like Schwartz and Walton?
Yet he still left the OL filled with holes
Same with Gettleman
Can we really make that declaration? In 5 Gettleman drafts, you've got two offensive linemen in the 2nd, one in the third, and two in the fourth. One of the fourth rounders never appeared in a game and was released.
If we're evaluating GMs, it bears mentioning that he also missed on Benjamin at 28th, if you want to blame injuires, that explanation doesn't seem to be extended to Reese. Missed on Ealy at 60th in the same draft, Missed on Shaq Thompson at 25th the very next year. And traded a 2, a 3 and a 6 for Devin Funchess in the second in 2015. This place would melt down if giants had a draft like this.
Too many blown picks at a point in the draft you expect to get starters.
Gettleman returning as an accessory hire is fine but not as the guy.
Oh and did i mention Marc Ross should have been the one to leave the building first, if anything. I hope a post season evaluation sees him out the door too. He may be the most or at least equally responsible party as Ben and Jerry so how does he remain? Clean house Mara. The right way.
The annual records since:
2017 2-10
2016 11-5 2nd, NFC East Lost to Packers
2015 6-10 3rd, NFC East
2014 6-10 3rd, NFC East
2013 7-9 3rd, NFC East
2012 9-7 2nd, NFC East
Other than 2016 we've been pretty pedestrian since he left. But I'm sure the argument can be made that he had little impact on our talent.
You're right. My bad...I forgot he held a different position with the Giants in 2012. But that year we still had a winning record. So...I'd argue that we were even worse without him.
If we were going to hire a GM that has ties to the organization...I'd want it to be Gettleman.