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Inside the NYG braintrust. A question

Bill in UT : 12/7/2017 12:18 pm
I have never seen here a definitive explanation of who does/is responsible for/has the authority to make what decisions in the inner circle of personnel. Confusion seems to abound over the roles of John Mara/Chris Mara/Jerry Reese/Marc Ross, etc. It's amazing that with people on the management team coming and going over the years, the true story has never come out. Or has it?
The word is “murky”.  
NYRiese : 12/7/2017 12:26 pm : link
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rock paper scissor  
spike : 12/7/2017 12:53 pm : link
wins every decision
Jerry Reese always said...  
Jan in DC : 12/7/2017 12:56 pm : link
That it was a dialogue and everyone (Head Coach, position coaches, scouts, executives, etc) weighed in during the drafting process but ultimately the decision was his and he was to blame.

I don't know if you want to believe that or not, but that's how he always described it to the media.
RE: Jerry Reese always said...  
mrvax : 12/7/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13729107 Jan in DC said:
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That it was a dialogue and everyone (Head Coach, position coaches, scouts, executives, etc) weighed in during the drafting process but ultimately the decision was his and he was to blame.

I don't know if you want to believe that or not, but that's how he always described it to the media.


I would think this would be ideal.
It is like this...  
EricJ : 12/7/2017 1:24 pm : link
Braintrust  
gimmeshelter : 12/7/2017 2:09 pm : link
Pappy O'Daniel
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Braintrust  
Giantslifer : 12/7/2017 2:25 pm : link
Years ago (seriously) I told friends that there was something wrong with Giants mgt. They couldn't keep better players and no serious FA's would come.
Their drafts have been marginal at best, this season was inevitable. The housecleaning has just begun, perhaps Mara's should remain further in background like they did with George Young.
Whatever the process was in past -- CHANGE IT.
RE: Jerry Reese always said...  
Bill in UT : 12/7/2017 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13729107 Jan in DC said:
Quote:
That it was a dialogue and everyone (Head Coach, position coaches, scouts, executives, etc) weighed in during the drafting process but ultimately the decision was his and he was to blame.

I don't know if you want to believe that or not, but that's how he always described it to the media.


Saying that he is ultimately responsible is the politic thing to say. It's like Eli saying that he's responsible for how a game turns out. But those statements hide, more than reveal, the truth and particulars. If the buck totally stopped at Reese, with him gone should we expect totally different results, or will the existing infrastructure just carry on like the "deep state", lol?
What’s the adage:Too many cooks spoil the broth!  
NYRiese : 12/7/2017 2:59 pm : link
The broth was surly spoiled for the 2017 sason.
To put it in Parcells speak  
arniefez : 12/7/2017 3:11 pm : link
Reese was held accountable for how the meal tasted but other people shopped for the groceries and cooked it. He had all the accountability and not much of the authority.
RE: To put it in Parcells speak  
Bill in UT : 12/7/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13729282 arniefez said:
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Reese was held accountable for how the meal tasted but other people shopped for the groceries and cooked it. He had all the accountability and not much of the authority.


If that's the case, swapping Reese out with another GM who doesn't demand more authority won't change very much.
If the face of the NY Giants was Reese over the past few years  
Jimmy Googs : 12/7/2017 5:10 pm : link
regarding operations, coaching, free agents, drafts, etc. then its on him. Case closed.

If Reese's role was toothless because his Boss forced his hand on decisions, then shame on him for allowing things he felt was not in the best interest of the team to be executed.

And as you say Bill...good luck to the next guy.

If Reese wasn't responsible enough and allowed his direct reports too much autonomy on driving decisions, then shame on him again.

I don't think there is much confusion actually...this is on Jerry Reese.
RE: If the face of the NY Giants was Reese over the past few years  
Bill in UT : 12/7/2017 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13729441 Jimmy Googs said:
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regarding operations, coaching, free agents, drafts, etc. then its on him. Case closed.

If Reese's role was toothless because his Boss forced his hand on decisions, then shame on him for allowing things he felt was not in the best interest of the team to be executed.

And as you say Bill...good luck to the next guy.

If Reese wasn't responsible enough and allowed his direct reports too much autonomy on driving decisions, then shame on him again.

I don't think there is much confusion actually...this is on Jerry Reese.


yeah, Jimmy, it could come down to a matter of personal/professional integrity. He had a great job title, good pay, social status in the big city. And up until this week he had great job security- most of us never believed they would ever fire him. Even if he had no real authority, there were plenty of reasons to suck it up and not rock the boat. Hopefully they get a guy with talent and balls to keep Chris and John out of football ops. But then again, John is doing the hiring, and if he like having his finger in the pie, he'll find someone who will keep it that way.
John Mara has no problem telling you  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/7/2017 6:28 pm : link
that he is involved in selecting a coach. That's clear. He's on record for that, and said it again this week. He also said it wouldn't change as long as he was in charge.

Beyond that, the Giants always said in the Coughlin years that decisions were handled between the JM-TC-JR triangle. TC absolutely had a significant say in personnel and scouting. He was a presence at the combine and he was in the draft day picture as a decider.

That's about all we can say we know.
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