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LarmerTJR : 12/8/2017 8:15 am
Looks like does not want to approve a trade to SF or The Cardinals. Should the the Yanks make a push?
don't see it  
TJ : 12/8/2017 8:19 am : link
Yanks are going to be under the luxury tax line next season. Is that possible if they sign Stanton?
Wow...  
BC Eagles94 : 12/8/2017 8:20 am : link
So I guess the guy really wants to win AND be in one of the biggest cities in US.
RE: don't see it  
BC Eagles94 : 12/8/2017 8:28 am : link
In comment 13729811 TJ said:
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Yanks are going to be under the luxury tax line next season. Is that possible if they sign Stanton?


Agreed re: luxury tax. But trading even just Gardner may be enough to keep them under for this season while absorbing Stanton. Trading Headley too would definitely did it. And of course there is always Ellsbury, but who knows how much of that contact a team would take. Teams would take all of Gardner's and Headley's.

I think the bigger issue is how many prospects the Yanks want to give up for a monster contact like that. They can just do that next off-season with Harper as a FA, and give up no prospects. It's one thing to trade for a guy like Sonny Gray with cheap, controllable years. But Stanton has 10 more years at 295 million.
send them  
mdthedream : 12/8/2017 8:34 am : link
Ellsbury money and prospects. That would in effect lower the Stanton cost.
Other factor  
mfsd : 12/8/2017 8:35 am : link
While cost controlled now, guys like Judge, Sanchez, Bird and others will all end up being due for big paydays in the not too distant future. Have to consider that if contemplating taking on most of a monster deal like Stanton. Especially if they’re serious about paying Machado too next season.
Would be fun to see him hitting dingers with Judge.  
Heisenberg : 12/8/2017 8:40 am : link
But the Yanks would have to move Ellsbury to make it work. They are dead set on getting under the luxury tax threshold and rightly so.

They are also gonna want to buy up some of the free agency years for Sanchez and Judge, which would increase their salaries.
no thanks.  
Victor in CT : 12/8/2017 8:55 am : link
let somebody else get saddled with that deal
Where does he play  
Joey from GlenCove : 12/8/2017 8:58 am : link
can judge play LF or 1b?

judge-sanchez-stanton
HR and strikeout central

i wish he went to the Mets. it would be cool to have both sluggers in town on different teams
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I am Ninja : 12/8/2017 9:17 am : link
We were long ball or nothing for a while there. Would we win, probably, but I feel like we turned a corner when we added diversity to the lineup. Maybe it was just addition by subtraction, but when the HRs arent coming things get dicey.
Luxury  
section125 : 12/8/2017 9:22 am : link
Tax...
Do it, Cash  
JonC : 12/8/2017 9:26 am : link
luxury tax be damned, we're heading in that direction either way.
Fuck that  
PaulN : 12/8/2017 9:28 am : link
Stick with the kids, fuck these big contracts.
If George were still alive  
Matt in SGS : 12/8/2017 9:28 am : link
they would have a press conference for Stanton today and look to sell his jersey for Christmas. But Cashman and Hal seem hell bent on getting below the luxury tax.

Hell, last year, George was there they would have traded for Verlander and probably made the World Series because they would have kept him from Houston.
Fuck  
PaulN : 12/8/2017 9:29 am : link
Machado too. Enough of that crap.
RE: Fuck that  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2017 9:33 am : link
In comment 13729957 PaulN said:
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Stick with the kids, fuck these big contracts.


Dumb notion. Put together the best team possible. Clint Frazier will never be the player Giancarlo Stanton is. Miguel Andujar won't be the player Manny Machado is.
I say no  
rich in DC : 12/8/2017 9:35 am : link
Judging by the packages SF and STL were offering, the Marlins are willing to take back pennies on the dollar. That means they could find the cost easily in their deep system.

However, the Yanks have no real NEED for Stanton. They have essentially the same player in Judge in RF- for a fraction of the cost. Stanton can't play CF and likely would not be able to play well in LF in Yankee Stadium (very large area to cover).

Sure, you COULD put Stanton at DH, but that causes other problems for roster management. If Stanton is DHing, you can't use the spot to give Bird or Sanchez days off by DHing them. Sanchez is going to need a minimum of 40-60 games a year at DH to hold up to the pounding he gets behind the plate over a full season.

I think that letting him go to the Dodgers or Cubs would be the best outcome. let the NL teams beat each other up and tie up their payrolls.

I don't think the Astros get involved because of future payroll issues. Remember that Altuve, Keuchel and other stars on that team are going to reach FA in 1-2 years- and the Astros will have to pay at least some of them. With Stanton on their payroll, it makes it harder to pay them.
a minimum of 40-60 games off?  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2017 9:39 am : link
Why? Posada caught between 131 and 142 games every year for eight straight seasons.
It's actually not that hard a deal for the yanks to make  
dpinzow : 12/8/2017 9:40 am : link
Clint Frazier, Justus Sheffield, one of the vet contracts (headley, castro, ellsbury), and another decent High A or AA prospect
Another Angle  
varco : 12/8/2017 9:43 am : link
Apart from the fantasy baseball aspects (what the line up would look like), has anyone thought about the personal income tax ramifications for Stanton would be? Where would it make the most financial sense for him to earn income (at least home games), especially with the SALT deductions probably going away? I don't know that I would prefer California (13% income tax) or NY, for that matter. I don't know how happy his advisors are in being traded out of Florida. Would Texas make more sense? Just trying to add some thoughts outside the baselines. In any event, I hope he has good accountants. Then again, with his income, I wouldn't mind paying taxes.
To the point above  
Matt in SGS : 12/8/2017 9:46 am : link
where would you play him? Left Field in Yankee Stadium has always been best suited for, essentially, a 2nd CF with the 399 power alley. Judge stays in RF. So do you put Stanton in left field? I'm not that big of a fan of that but you don't want to stash him at DH right now.

To even think of doing this deal, the Yankees would have to find takers for Ellsbury and Headley to offset money. Unless the Marlins were going to take them back for Stanton, plus top prospects, I don't see it. If anything, they might try to bring a 3rd team into the mix to help shuffle around prospects, but the more moving parts, the more everything falls apart.

I think at the end, Stanton just goes to St. Louis or SF, or someone like the Rangers steps up, because they are good to make a crazy move every 10 years or so.
no way  
BigBlue2112 : 12/8/2017 9:59 am : link
Having him and Judge in the lineup, while fun for the regular season, could be a disaster in the playoffs. These big stikeout guys tend to struggle in the postseason. Judge as we all know lead the league with 208k's last season. Stanton finished tied for 17th in the league with 163k's.

I'd be far more excited for a different Marlin OF, Christian Yelich.
If I understand the luxury tax correctly  
TJ : 12/8/2017 10:02 am : link
it's important to get under for the coming year because the tax increases evry consecutive year. If Yanks get under for one year they go back to paying the lowest rate of luxury tax. That means it will be easier to go over the line next season for Machado than it is this season for Stanton.

I agree too with those who say Stanton's contract is just too high and too long even for a player of his caliber. And with those who say there is no place for him on this team. Judge belongs in right and I think the team really wants to rotate DH between Sanchez, the 4th outfielder, Headley, and maybe a 1st baseman
I wouldn't do the Stanton deal  
Jeever : 12/8/2017 10:04 am : link
It would be nice to move Ellsbury's contract but we already have a crowded outfield. I'd be talking to the Orioles about Machado. I'd ask permission to explore a contract extention with Manny and if the contract and pieces of the deal are OK then move in that direction. How about an infield of Machado, Didi, Torres and Bird. Sanchez behind the plate. An outfield of Gardy, Hicks and Judge with Ells on the bench and Andujar at DH raking.
What a weird take.  
Keith : 12/8/2017 10:05 am : link
He also had 900 HR's last year while hitting .280 and having a .670 OBP. In a Yankees lineup, would see a lot of pitches to hit.
RE: no way  
Victor in CT : 12/8/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13730015 BigBlue2112 said:
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Having him and Judge in the lineup, while fun for the regular season, could be a disaster in the playoffs. These big stikeout guys tend to struggle in the postseason. Judge as we all know lead the league with 208k's last season. Stanton finished tied for 17th in the league with 163k's.

I'd be far more excited for a different Marlin OF, Christian Yelich.


good point. you don't want to have 9 of the same type of hitter in the line up
No, you want a balanced lineup  
Keith : 12/8/2017 10:31 am : link
that has speed, guys that put the ball in play, guys that get on base and guys that drive runs in. Please tell me how we would have 9 of the same type of hitters. We have two other hitters like that, Judge and Sanchez.

What you want, is an offense that scores runs, preferably in different ways. We'd have that.
the SMALLBALL! mafia brooks no opposition  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2017 10:32 am : link
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RE: the SMALLBALL! mafia brooks no opposition  
mfsd : 12/8/2017 10:47 am : link
In comment 13730099 Greg from LI said:
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What, you’d prefer 2 walks and a 3 run homer to the aesthetic elegance of a well-executed sacrifice bunt that gives us a chance to get 1 run in? It’s heathen savages like you that are runining the poetic romance of baseball.
Imagine Judge and Stanton Hitting Back to Back  
Jim in Tampa : 12/8/2017 11:25 am : link
And imagine the Sox having to pitch against those two at Fenway. How much would that be!

No one would be able to walk Judge and he'd likely see a lot more fastballs.

Also, as others have pointed out neither Frazier (nor any other Yankee OF besides Judge) is or will be anywhere near the player that Stanton is.

The Yanks could make it work.

Let's do it Cash!!!
Hmmm...  
Danny Kanell : 12/8/2017 11:29 am : link
1. LF B. Gardner
2. SS D. Gregorious
3. RF A. Judge
4. DH G. Stanton
5. 3B M. Machado
6. 1B G. Bird
7. C G. Sanchez
8. 2B G. Torres
9. CF A. Hicks

Jesus Christ
29 Year old Stanton would be fun to have on the team  
Heisenberg : 12/8/2017 11:31 am : link
38 year old Stanton very much less fun.
I'd rather they trade for...  
Milton : 12/8/2017 11:47 am : link
Gerrit Cole. He's younger, cheaper, and most importantly, he's a starting pitcher.
I am impressed that the Yankee PR dept  
Shirk130 : 12/8/2017 11:49 am : link
has done such a good job convincing fans that getting under the luxury tax is so important that now they parrot the line. The Yankees print money. All that does is put more of it in the Steinbrenner's pockets.
Cole's been about average for his entire career aside from 2015  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2017 11:49 am : link
And fuck him anyway for screwing the Yankees at the draft. I hope he spends the rest of his career pitching for losers.
RE: I am impressed that the Yankee PR dept  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13730231 Shirk130 said:
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has done such a good job convincing fans that getting under the luxury tax is so important that now they parrot the line. The Yankees print money. All that does is put more of it in the Steinbrenner's pockets.


You do realize how much more punitive the luxury tax is now compared to a decade ago, right? The penalties would end up surpassing the payroll.
RE: I'd rather they trade for...  
Keith : 12/8/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13730230 Milton said:
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Gerrit Cole. He's younger, cheaper, and most importantly, he's a starting pitcher.


I'm not sure Cole is the pitcher I'd target, but your point is fair. If we are going to trade resources, a pitcher would be ideal.
The farm system is bursting with pitchers right now  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2017 11:59 am : link
Six of their top ten list at BA are pitchers, and there are a bunch of pitchers that were left out who would have been in the top tens of most other teams.
I do get it Greg,  
Shirk130 : 12/8/2017 12:09 pm : link
but I don't care how much they spend, they make a fortune. Yes it is punitive, but the Yankees can afford it.
But it's ridiculously unrealistic to expect them to pay that much  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2017 12:11 pm : link
in tax penalties
MVP  
2cents : 12/8/2017 12:40 pm : link
any time you can bring on an MVP type player at a reasonable cost, not only in prospect value now and but also in terms of projected average annual salary (the next round of big name FA is aiming at 400 mill plus) i think this a no brainer. With any big contract there is more risk of losing value in the end but with his level of production now and what it will cost to bring in someone of similar talent next year, this would be a great move for the yanks.


cash, get on the damn phone with jeets and make this happen.
RE: MVP  
2cents : 12/8/2017 12:45 pm : link
also by bringing him in, they absolutely need to move both elsbury and headley for whatever return they can get, low A - low ceiling prospects or a bucket of sunflower seeds, it doest matter just clear their contacts and give the PT to one of the younger guys.

another point, with the addition of another power RH, castro can be moved and hopefully let gleyber win the job or bring in a LH utlity guy to keep the spot warm.
I can't seem to talk myself into this one, as sick as it would be.  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2017 12:54 pm : link
You're only moving Ellsbury if you pick up most of his deal, so that won't solve much. If you move two of the following - Gardy, Headley and/or Castro - it starts to make sense. That's a pretty big shake-up for a team that was a win away from the World Series.
RE: I can't seem to talk myself into this one, as sick as it would be.  
Keith : 12/8/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13730346 bceagle05 said:
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You're only moving Ellsbury if you pick up most of his deal, so that won't solve much. If you move two of the following - Gardy, Headley and/or Castro - it starts to make sense. That's a pretty big shake-up for a team that was a win away from the World Series.


So is firing your manager.
Conversely, a 2018 lineup featuring  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2017 12:57 pm : link
Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird and Torres...I mean...come on...
Its a shame Didi is left out of this.  
Keith : 12/8/2017 12:58 pm : link
Kid is a ball player.
This does have some similarities to the ARod trade though.  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2017 12:59 pm : link
Seemed like a given he was headed to Boston, then it was in limbo (different circumstances than this, obviously), then the Yankees struck out of nowhere. We'll see if Gardy or Hicks injures their knees playing pick-up basketball.
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BigBlue4You09 : 12/8/2017 1:06 pm : link
Originally thought to be down to four contenders, Giancarlo Stanton has not permanently ruled out a trade to any team, a source tells @MLB.com: atmlb.com/2BNQMOG #HotStove
Cashman getting a five-year, $25 million deal.  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2017 1:31 pm : link
Long may he reign.
RE: Do it, Cash  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13729952 JonC said:
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luxury tax be damned, we're heading in that direction either way.

No way. Doesn't the new CBA escalate luxury tax penalties to include IFA money and draft picks? They have to get under to reset the penalties.

Besides, there's something very Durant about him only listing last season's LCS teams as his approved destinations.
RE: Cashman getting a five-year, $25 million deal.  
Victor in CT : 12/8/2017 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13730411 bceagle05 said:
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Long may he reign.


he needs to hire Goddell's agent :-)
RE: I'd rather they trade for...  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13730230 Milton said:
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Gerrit Cole. He's younger, cheaper, and most importantly, he's a starting pitcher.

Glad to see you haven't given up on this one!
RE: Conversely, a 2018 lineup featuring  
rich in DC : 12/8/2017 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13730351 bceagle05 said:
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Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird and Torres...I mean...come on...


This is the same logic that lead to the ARod debacle.

Sure, he was GREAT at the start of that deal- but 10 years later, what a disaster. Stanton would be 40 at the end of the deal- and his really productive days probably end around 35. The front end isn't worth the back end.

Just look at Pujols. He was a superstar when he signed that deal- and has been going backwards since- with YEARS left to go.

You can't just look at the prior production and expect the same- regression will take place- and likely sooner than you think.
RE: I do get it Greg,  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13730274 Shirk130 said:
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but I don't care how much they spend, they make a fortune. Yes it is punitive, but the Yankees can afford it.

But they don't have to. They have a roster with enough young, talented, cheap players that they can get under the tax line for one year (which is all it takes to reset the penalties) while remaining a bonafide WS contender. And then they can go nuts spending next offseason without having to part with any prospects in the process.
RE: RE: Conversely, a 2018 lineup featuring  
Keith : 12/8/2017 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13730464 rich in DC said:
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In comment 13730351 bceagle05 said:


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Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird and Torres...I mean...come on...



This is the same logic that lead to the ARod debacle.

Sure, he was GREAT at the start of that deal- but 10 years later, what a disaster. Stanton would be 40 at the end of the deal- and his really productive days probably end around 35. The front end isn't worth the back end.

Just look at Pujols. He was a superstar when he signed that deal- and has been going backwards since- with YEARS left to go.

You can't just look at the prior production and expect the same- regression will take place- and likely sooner than you think.


A lot is wrong with this post.

1. Stanton will be 38 at the end of the deal.
2. He has a buyout after his age 37 season.
3. Arods deal went til he was 42.
4. Arods first 10 year deal was a great deal and worked out very well.
5. Pujols looks to be a guy that used. He was in great shape in St Louis and then got a massive deal and got chubby, IMO.
He would be great to have on the team ...  
Beer Man : 12/8/2017 2:27 pm : link
But given his salary and Hal's directive to get the payroll below the cap, I don't see it happening. Besides, the team may have some big financial decisions in the next few years as the baby bombers are facing free agency.
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