Yanks are going to be under the luxury tax line next season. Is that possible if they sign Stanton?
Agreed re: luxury tax. But trading even just Gardner may be enough to keep them under for this season while absorbing Stanton. Trading Headley too would definitely did it. And of course there is always Ellsbury, but who knows how much of that contact a team would take. Teams would take all of Gardner's and Headley's.
I think the bigger issue is how many prospects the Yanks want to give up for a monster contact like that. They can just do that next off-season with Harper as a FA, and give up no prospects. It's one thing to trade for a guy like Sonny Gray with cheap, controllable years. But Stanton has 10 more years at 295 million.
While cost controlled now, guys like Judge, Sanchez, Bird and others will all end up being due for big paydays in the not too distant future. Have to consider that if contemplating taking on most of a monster deal like Stanton. Especially if they’re serious about paying Machado too next season.
Would be fun to see him hitting dingers with Judge. Â
We were long ball or nothing for a while there. Would we win, probably, but I feel like we turned a corner when we added diversity to the lineup. Maybe it was just addition by subtraction, but when the HRs arent coming things get dicey.
they would have a press conference for Stanton today and look to sell his jersey for Christmas. But Cashman and Hal seem hell bent on getting below the luxury tax.
Hell, last year, George was there they would have traded for Verlander and probably made the World Series because they would have kept him from Houston.
Dumb notion. Put together the best team possible. Clint Frazier will never be the player Giancarlo Stanton is. Miguel Andujar won't be the player Manny Machado is.
Judging by the packages SF and STL were offering, the Marlins are willing to take back pennies on the dollar. That means they could find the cost easily in their deep system.
However, the Yanks have no real NEED for Stanton. They have essentially the same player in Judge in RF- for a fraction of the cost. Stanton can't play CF and likely would not be able to play well in LF in Yankee Stadium (very large area to cover).
Sure, you COULD put Stanton at DH, but that causes other problems for roster management. If Stanton is DHing, you can't use the spot to give Bird or Sanchez days off by DHing them. Sanchez is going to need a minimum of 40-60 games a year at DH to hold up to the pounding he gets behind the plate over a full season.
I think that letting him go to the Dodgers or Cubs would be the best outcome. let the NL teams beat each other up and tie up their payrolls.
I don't think the Astros get involved because of future payroll issues. Remember that Altuve, Keuchel and other stars on that team are going to reach FA in 1-2 years- and the Astros will have to pay at least some of them. With Stanton on their payroll, it makes it harder to pay them.
Apart from the fantasy baseball aspects (what the line up would look like), has anyone thought about the personal income tax ramifications for Stanton would be? Where would it make the most financial sense for him to earn income (at least home games), especially with the SALT deductions probably going away? I don't know that I would prefer California (13% income tax) or NY, for that matter. I don't know how happy his advisors are in being traded out of Florida. Would Texas make more sense? Just trying to add some thoughts outside the baselines. In any event, I hope he has good accountants. Then again, with his income, I wouldn't mind paying taxes.
where would you play him? Left Field in Yankee Stadium has always been best suited for, essentially, a 2nd CF with the 399 power alley. Judge stays in RF. So do you put Stanton in left field? I'm not that big of a fan of that but you don't want to stash him at DH right now.
To even think of doing this deal, the Yankees would have to find takers for Ellsbury and Headley to offset money. Unless the Marlins were going to take them back for Stanton, plus top prospects, I don't see it. If anything, they might try to bring a 3rd team into the mix to help shuffle around prospects, but the more moving parts, the more everything falls apart.
I think at the end, Stanton just goes to St. Louis or SF, or someone like the Rangers steps up, because they are good to make a crazy move every 10 years or so.
Having him and Judge in the lineup, while fun for the regular season, could be a disaster in the playoffs. These big stikeout guys tend to struggle in the postseason. Judge as we all know lead the league with 208k's last season. Stanton finished tied for 17th in the league with 163k's.
I'd be far more excited for a different Marlin OF, Christian Yelich.
it's important to get under for the coming year because the tax increases evry consecutive year. If Yanks get under for one year they go back to paying the lowest rate of luxury tax. That means it will be easier to go over the line next season for Machado than it is this season for Stanton.
I agree too with those who say Stanton's contract is just too high and too long even for a player of his caliber. And with those who say there is no place for him on this team. Judge belongs in right and I think the team really wants to rotate DH between Sanchez, the 4th outfielder, Headley, and maybe a 1st baseman
It would be nice to move Ellsbury's contract but we already have a crowded outfield. I'd be talking to the Orioles about Machado. I'd ask permission to explore a contract extention with Manny and if the contract and pieces of the deal are OK then move in that direction. How about an infield of Machado, Didi, Torres and Bird. Sanchez behind the plate. An outfield of Gardy, Hicks and Judge with Ells on the bench and Andujar at DH raking.
Having him and Judge in the lineup, while fun for the regular season, could be a disaster in the playoffs. These big stikeout guys tend to struggle in the postseason. Judge as we all know lead the league with 208k's last season. Stanton finished tied for 17th in the league with 163k's.
I'd be far more excited for a different Marlin OF, Christian Yelich.
good point. you don't want to have 9 of the same type of hitter in the line up
that has speed, guys that put the ball in play, guys that get on base and guys that drive runs in. Please tell me how we would have 9 of the same type of hitters. We have two other hitters like that, Judge and Sanchez.
What you want, is an offense that scores runs, preferably in different ways. We'd have that.
What, you’d prefer 2 walks and a 3 run homer to the aesthetic elegance of a well-executed sacrifice bunt that gives us a chance to get 1 run in? It’s heathen savages like you that are runining the poetic romance of baseball.
has done such a good job convincing fans that getting under the luxury tax is so important that now they parrot the line. The Yankees print money. All that does is put more of it in the Steinbrenner's pockets.
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has done such a good job convincing fans that getting under the luxury tax is so important that now they parrot the line. The Yankees print money. All that does is put more of it in the Steinbrenner's pockets.
You do realize how much more punitive the luxury tax is now compared to a decade ago, right? The penalties would end up surpassing the payroll.
Six of their top ten list at BA are pitchers, and there are a bunch of pitchers that were left out who would have been in the top tens of most other teams.
any time you can bring on an MVP type player at a reasonable cost, not only in prospect value now and but also in terms of projected average annual salary (the next round of big name FA is aiming at 400 mill plus) i think this a no brainer. With any big contract there is more risk of losing value in the end but with his level of production now and what it will cost to bring in someone of similar talent next year, this would be a great move for the yanks.
cash, get on the damn phone with jeets and make this happen.
also by bringing him in, they absolutely need to move both elsbury and headley for whatever return they can get, low A - low ceiling prospects or a bucket of sunflower seeds, it doest matter just clear their contacts and give the PT to one of the younger guys.
another point, with the addition of another power RH, castro can be moved and hopefully let gleyber win the job or bring in a LH utlity guy to keep the spot warm.
I can't seem to talk myself into this one, as sick as it would be. Â
You're only moving Ellsbury if you pick up most of his deal, so that won't solve much. If you move two of the following - Gardy, Headley and/or Castro - it starts to make sense. That's a pretty big shake-up for a team that was a win away from the World Series.
RE: I can't seem to talk myself into this one, as sick as it would be. Â
You're only moving Ellsbury if you pick up most of his deal, so that won't solve much. If you move two of the following - Gardy, Headley and/or Castro - it starts to make sense. That's a pretty big shake-up for a team that was a win away from the World Series.
Seemed like a given he was headed to Boston, then it was in limbo (different circumstances than this, obviously), then the Yankees struck out of nowhere. We'll see if Gardy or Hicks injures their knees playing pick-up basketball.
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Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird and Torres...I mean...come on...
This is the same logic that lead to the ARod debacle.
Sure, he was GREAT at the start of that deal- but 10 years later, what a disaster. Stanton would be 40 at the end of the deal- and his really productive days probably end around 35. The front end isn't worth the back end.
Just look at Pujols. He was a superstar when he signed that deal- and has been going backwards since- with YEARS left to go.
You can't just look at the prior production and expect the same- regression will take place- and likely sooner than you think.
but I don't care how much they spend, they make a fortune. Yes it is punitive, but the Yankees can afford it.
But they don't have to. They have a roster with enough young, talented, cheap players that they can get under the tax line for one year (which is all it takes to reset the penalties) while remaining a bonafide WS contender. And then they can go nuts spending next offseason without having to part with any prospects in the process.
Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird and Torres...I mean...come on...
This is the same logic that lead to the ARod debacle.
Sure, he was GREAT at the start of that deal- but 10 years later, what a disaster. Stanton would be 40 at the end of the deal- and his really productive days probably end around 35. The front end isn't worth the back end.
Just look at Pujols. He was a superstar when he signed that deal- and has been going backwards since- with YEARS left to go.
You can't just look at the prior production and expect the same- regression will take place- and likely sooner than you think.
A lot is wrong with this post.
1. Stanton will be 38 at the end of the deal.
2. He has a buyout after his age 37 season.
3. Arods deal went til he was 42.
4. Arods first 10 year deal was a great deal and worked out very well.
5. Pujols looks to be a guy that used. He was in great shape in St Louis and then got a massive deal and got chubby, IMO.
But given his salary and Hal's directive to get the payroll below the cap, I don't see it happening. Besides, the team may have some big financial decisions in the next few years as the baby bombers are facing free agency.
Agreed re: luxury tax. But trading even just Gardner may be enough to keep them under for this season while absorbing Stanton. Trading Headley too would definitely did it. And of course there is always Ellsbury, but who knows how much of that contact a team would take. Teams would take all of Gardner's and Headley's.
I think the bigger issue is how many prospects the Yanks want to give up for a monster contact like that. They can just do that next off-season with Harper as a FA, and give up no prospects. It's one thing to trade for a guy like Sonny Gray with cheap, controllable years. But Stanton has 10 more years at 295 million.
They are also gonna want to buy up some of the free agency years for Sanchez and Judge, which would increase their salaries.
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HR and strikeout central
i wish he went to the Mets. it would be cool to have both sluggers in town on different teams
Hell, last year, George was there they would have traded for Verlander and probably made the World Series because they would have kept him from Houston.
Dumb notion. Put together the best team possible. Clint Frazier will never be the player Giancarlo Stanton is. Miguel Andujar won't be the player Manny Machado is.
However, the Yanks have no real NEED for Stanton. They have essentially the same player in Judge in RF- for a fraction of the cost. Stanton can't play CF and likely would not be able to play well in LF in Yankee Stadium (very large area to cover).
Sure, you COULD put Stanton at DH, but that causes other problems for roster management. If Stanton is DHing, you can't use the spot to give Bird or Sanchez days off by DHing them. Sanchez is going to need a minimum of 40-60 games a year at DH to hold up to the pounding he gets behind the plate over a full season.
I think that letting him go to the Dodgers or Cubs would be the best outcome. let the NL teams beat each other up and tie up their payrolls.
I don't think the Astros get involved because of future payroll issues. Remember that Altuve, Keuchel and other stars on that team are going to reach FA in 1-2 years- and the Astros will have to pay at least some of them. With Stanton on their payroll, it makes it harder to pay them.
To even think of doing this deal, the Yankees would have to find takers for Ellsbury and Headley to offset money. Unless the Marlins were going to take them back for Stanton, plus top prospects, I don't see it. If anything, they might try to bring a 3rd team into the mix to help shuffle around prospects, but the more moving parts, the more everything falls apart.
I think at the end, Stanton just goes to St. Louis or SF, or someone like the Rangers steps up, because they are good to make a crazy move every 10 years or so.
I'd be far more excited for a different Marlin OF, Christian Yelich.
I agree too with those who say Stanton's contract is just too high and too long even for a player of his caliber. And with those who say there is no place for him on this team. Judge belongs in right and I think the team really wants to rotate DH between Sanchez, the 4th outfielder, Headley, and maybe a 1st baseman
I'd be far more excited for a different Marlin OF, Christian Yelich.
good point. you don't want to have 9 of the same type of hitter in the line up
What you want, is an offense that scores runs, preferably in different ways. We'd have that.
What, you’d prefer 2 walks and a 3 run homer to the aesthetic elegance of a well-executed sacrifice bunt that gives us a chance to get 1 run in? It’s heathen savages like you that are runining the poetic romance of baseball.
No one would be able to walk Judge and he'd likely see a lot more fastballs.
Also, as others have pointed out neither Frazier (nor any other Yankee OF besides Judge) is or will be anywhere near the player that Stanton is.
The Yanks could make it work.
Let's do it Cash!!!
2. SS D. Gregorious
3. RF A. Judge
4. DH G. Stanton
5. 3B M. Machado
6. 1B G. Bird
7. C G. Sanchez
8. 2B G. Torres
9. CF A. Hicks
Jesus Christ
You do realize how much more punitive the luxury tax is now compared to a decade ago, right? The penalties would end up surpassing the payroll.
I'm not sure Cole is the pitcher I'd target, but your point is fair. If we are going to trade resources, a pitcher would be ideal.
cash, get on the damn phone with jeets and make this happen.
another point, with the addition of another power RH, castro can be moved and hopefully let gleyber win the job or bring in a LH utlity guy to keep the spot warm.
So is firing your manager.
No way. Doesn't the new CBA escalate luxury tax penalties to include IFA money and draft picks? They have to get under to reset the penalties.
Besides, there's something very Durant about him only listing last season's LCS teams as his approved destinations.
he needs to hire Goddell's agent :-)
Glad to see you haven't given up on this one!
This is the same logic that lead to the ARod debacle.
Sure, he was GREAT at the start of that deal- but 10 years later, what a disaster. Stanton would be 40 at the end of the deal- and his really productive days probably end around 35. The front end isn't worth the back end.
Just look at Pujols. He was a superstar when he signed that deal- and has been going backwards since- with YEARS left to go.
You can't just look at the prior production and expect the same- regression will take place- and likely sooner than you think.
But they don't have to. They have a roster with enough young, talented, cheap players that they can get under the tax line for one year (which is all it takes to reset the penalties) while remaining a bonafide WS contender. And then they can go nuts spending next offseason without having to part with any prospects in the process.
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Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird and Torres...I mean...come on...
This is the same logic that lead to the ARod debacle.
Sure, he was GREAT at the start of that deal- but 10 years later, what a disaster. Stanton would be 40 at the end of the deal- and his really productive days probably end around 35. The front end isn't worth the back end.
Just look at Pujols. He was a superstar when he signed that deal- and has been going backwards since- with YEARS left to go.
You can't just look at the prior production and expect the same- regression will take place- and likely sooner than you think.
A lot is wrong with this post.
1. Stanton will be 38 at the end of the deal.
2. He has a buyout after his age 37 season.
3. Arods deal went til he was 42.
4. Arods first 10 year deal was a great deal and worked out very well.
5. Pujols looks to be a guy that used. He was in great shape in St Louis and then got a massive deal and got chubby, IMO.