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M.S. : 12/8/2017 8:24 am
...has Darnold going #1 to Cleveland and Rosen going #2 to the Giants.



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RE: RE: Yeah I think too many  
JonC : 12/8/2017 9:53 am : link
In comment 13729975 Sean said:
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In comment 13729948 JonC said:


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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.



Have you heard anything as to who the Giants prefer of Darnold/Rosen?


No it's way too early given the changes underway in the front office. My guess is it will be Darnold.
Im surprised  
Powerclean765 : 12/8/2017 9:58 am : link
Orlando Brown isnt getting more hype. He’s a top 10 pick when its all said and done. Looks like a potential All Pro LT.

If the Giants somehow miss Chubb & Nelson, Brown’s next man up for me.
Love it, and with the second pick in the second round,  
barens : 12/8/2017 10:08 am : link
the Giants can select either Ronald Jones or Bryce Love, tho I can't see any of those 2 falling into the 2nd round.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah I think too many  
barens : 12/8/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13730003 JonC said:
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In comment 13729975 Sean said:


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In comment 13729948 JonC said:


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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.



Have you heard anything as to who the Giants prefer of Darnold/Rosen?



No it's way too early given the changes underway in the front office. My guess is it will be Darnold.


I would think Darnold as well, tho either QB would be excellent. It's funny, people may feel underwhelmed by either choice, but at the beginning of the college football season, both of those QB's were being talked about as the best thing since sliced bread.
Cleveland will win the AFC North next year  
est1986 : 12/8/2017 10:14 am : link
If they grab Darnold and Barkley and compete for a SB before we know it.... I would be super pissed if they grabbed Darnold and we grabbed Rosen... Darnold guy here
It's  
AcidTest : 12/8/2017 10:17 am : link
likely, but not a proverbial "slam dunk" that the Giants take Rosen or Darnold. A new GM isn't wedded to Webb the way Reese might have been, but might like him anyway. Webb is a hard worker who loves football.

QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.

Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.

Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.
RE: It's  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13730060 AcidTest said:
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likely, but not a proverbial "slam dunk" that the Giants take Rosen or Darnold. A new GM isn't wedded to Webb the way Reese might have been, but might like him anyway. Webb is a hard worker who loves football.

QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.

Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.

Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.

If the Giants kept Reese and were focused on a QB I think they would have Darnold and Allen as their top two. With a likely new GM coming aboard soon we have no idea who he will target.
RE: It's  
barens : 12/8/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13730060 AcidTest said:
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likely, but not a proverbial "slam dunk" that the Giants take Rosen or Darnold. A new GM isn't wedded to Webb the way Reese might have been, but might like him anyway. Webb is a hard worker who loves football.

QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.

Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.

Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.


I hear you, but when you look at how much success the Browns have had at trading down from high draft picks where they could have secured franchise QB's, I'd say that's not the smart move, unless the new GM thinks Eli has another 5 years in him.
barens  
JonC : 12/8/2017 10:30 am : link
I like your tailback choices for round 2, will be interesting to see where they mock.
Mock draft  
Colin@gbn : 12/8/2017 10:32 am : link
Morning guys: Interesting comments. Right now the #2 pick is kind of a no-brainer. What we are picking up from our sources is that most (if not all) teams have the QBs rated 1) Darnold; 2) Rosen and everybody else somewhat farther behind. So picking two the Giants are likely going to get the guy that the Browns don't take at #1. And with Dorsey now the GM there one can assume that the Browns will start to act more like a regular team at the draft. To me what is really interesting as several people implied is who the Giants get in the second round. We have on our short list the Giants might be looking at at #35, RB Bryce Love, C Bill Price, Auburn G/T Braden Smith and Clemson DE Austin Bryant, although in our mock Price did go in the first. It will be interesting to see how the new regime approaches the second day picks. Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush. But time will tell.
RE: Mock draft  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2017 10:35 am : link
In comment 13730100 Colin@gbn said:
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Morning guys: Interesting comments. Right now the #2 pick is kind of a no-brainer. What we are picking up from our sources is that most (if not all) teams have the QBs rated 1) Darnold; 2) Rosen and everybody else somewhat farther behind. So picking two the Giants are likely going to get the guy that the Browns don't take at #1. And with Dorsey now the GM there one can assume that the Browns will start to act more like a regular team at the draft. To me what is really interesting as several people implied is who the Giants get in the second round. We have on our short list the Giants might be looking at at #35, RB Bryce Love, C Bill Price, Auburn G/T Braden Smith and Clemson DE Austin Bryant, although in our mock Price did go in the first. It will be interesting to see how the new regime approaches the second day picks. Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush. But time will tell.


Where do you see Josh Sweat going? That's a guy I would love to add to the roster in round 3 or 4
Giants projected  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2017 10:36 am : link
to get a 4th round comp pick, btw
RE: Mock draft  
Milton : 12/8/2017 10:43 am : link
In comment 13730100 Colin@gbn said:
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Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush.
A case can be made that the best way to improve the OL is via free agency, where you are judging the talent based on what they've done in a pro-style offense against NFL competition. Costly yes, but so are wasted draft picks.
RE: Yeah I think too many  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/8/2017 10:52 am : link
In comment 13729948 JonC said:
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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.


Agreed...it's the perfect storm that they could be in the perfect position to draft a franchise qb without having to give up multiple draft choices
RE: RE: Mock draft  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13730118 Milton said:
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In comment 13730100 Colin@gbn said:


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Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush.

A case can be made that the best way to improve the OL is via free agency, where you are judging the talent based on what they've done in a pro-style offense against NFL competition. Costly yes, but so are wasted draft picks.


I'd prefer this strategy but the problem is this years FA is extremely weak.
I say you build up  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 12/8/2017 11:09 am : link
the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.

Eli is NOT the problem!
RE: 6 QBs  
mrvax : 12/8/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13729837 mdthedream said:
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in the first round.


7 with 6 in the top 12!
RE: I say you build up  
Sonic Youth : 12/8/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13730161 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.

Eli is NOT the problem!
Total waste of having a top 4 pick, something that happens once every 15 years.

For what? To save a 37 year old QB's last year or two? And be in the same position of needing a QB?

No way. You gotta take the QB now. Have patience.. going for it in the short term year after year is what fucked this team to begin with.
RE: RE: If we're picking #2  
mrvax : 12/8/2017 11:18 am : link
In comment 13729978 Jay on the Island said:
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I'd bet the house on drafting a QB, it makes the most sense given the talent available and vital importance of the position.



If they don't come away with a QB in the first round I will be extremely frustrated.


Yes. And then cutting with Eli after 2018, saves $17M to sign our guys.
RE: Mock draft  
Rjanyg : 12/8/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13730100 Colin@gbn said:
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Morning guys: Interesting comments. Right now the #2 pick is kind of a no-brainer. What we are picking up from our sources is that most (if not all) teams have the QBs rated 1) Darnold; 2) Rosen and everybody else somewhat farther behind. So picking two the Giants are likely going to get the guy that the Browns don't take at #1. And with Dorsey now the GM there one can assume that the Browns will start to act more like a regular team at the draft. To me what is really interesting as several people implied is who the Giants get in the second round. We have on our short list the Giants might be looking at at #35, RB Bryce Love, C Bill Price, Auburn G/T Braden Smith and Clemson DE Austin Bryant, although in our mock Price did go in the first. It will be interesting to see how the new regime approaches the second day picks. Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush. But time will tell.


Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.

RE: I say you build up  
Milton : 12/8/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13730161 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.

Eli is NOT the problem!
You can do both. Build a team around Eli that is ready to contend and draft the QB of the future with the second pick in the draft.
RE: RE: Mock draft  
mrvax : 12/8/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13730201 Rjanyg said:
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Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.


We have Avery Moss as a young DE already.
Amazing there are people..  
Sean : 12/8/2017 11:37 am : link
who do not want to take a QB with the first pick. It is incredibly short sighted.

I remind everyone of April 2004. There were people who advocated drafting Robert Gallery & keeping Kerry Collins. History repeats itself. Now, by no means am I comparing Eli to Collins, but he will be 37.
RE: RE: Mock draft  
Milton : 12/8/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13730201 Rjanyg said:
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Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.

Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.
RE: Amazing there are people..  
Overseer : 12/8/2017 11:49 am : link
In comment 13730218 Sean said:
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who do not want to take a QB with the first pick. It is incredibly short sighted.

That's it? Just "take a QB"?

It's sensible to actually consider the individuals. Many believe Rosen & Darnold just ain't all that. Mayfield has screaming issues.

If a Luck were in this draft then, yes, your point is valid. They're not in this draft.

This is not the greatest draft to have a top 5 pick (unlike 2004). The closest thing to can't miss players seem to be a Running Back and a Guard...positions historically not picked in the top 5.
RE: RE: RE: Mock draft  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2017 11:49 am : link
In comment 13730222 Milton said:
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In comment 13730201 Rjanyg said:


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Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.


You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.

Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.

Agreed the 1st round pick has to be a QB. There will be several promising offensive linemen on the board in the 2nd round.
RE: RE: RE: Mock draft  
barens : 12/8/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13730222 Milton said:
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In comment 13730201 Rjanyg said:


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Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.


You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.

Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.


Absolutely, that's where it's going to get interesting to me, is in round two if one of the top 4 running backs are available, would they grab one, or make the offensive line a priority.
RE: Mock draft  
mrvax : 12/8/2017 11:57 am : link
In comment 13730239 barens said:
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Absolutely, that's where it's going to get interesting to me, is in round two if one of the top 4 running backs are available, would they grab one, or make the offensive line a priority.


I'd think going after the Oline guy would be better. IMO, putting a shiny new RB behind our crap Oline would be a travesty to the RB and the QB.

A good Oline can make an average back better (and help the QB too).
There's no bigger Eli fan than myself...  
BillKo : 12/8/2017 12:29 pm : link
but when you draft 1 or 2 and there's a QB you believe can be a franchise guy, you take him. In particular when your current guy will be 37.

Putting it off could set you back years........

And so could blowing the pick by not selecting the right QB.

This is a big draft for the Jints.
RE: Throw this into the mix  
BillKo : 12/8/2017 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13729860 njm said:
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What if Andrew Luck is finished? Would Indy want to trade up to #2?


Insteresting....especially if you gave a higher grade to the kid from Wyoming, or Mayfield.
RE: Giants projected  
BillKo : 12/8/2017 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13730105 ajr2456 said:
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to get a 4th round comp pick, btw


Refresh my memory, who did we lose???
I am assuming Hankins...?  
JCin332 : 12/8/2017 12:52 pm : link
..
Rosen...  
Milton : 12/8/2017 12:56 pm : link
RE: I am assuming Hankins...?  
BillKo : 12/8/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13730340 JCin332 said:
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..


Ahh, right. And he's supposedly have a very good statistical year I believe.
At  
AcidTest : 12/8/2017 1:21 pm : link
this point, I'm somewhat hoping that our first round pick isn't a QB, just to watch half this board meltdown.

We don't know if Darnold is coming out.

We don't know where the Giants are picking.

We haven't had any post season evaluations, interviews, etc.
RE: I say you build up  
Jimmy Googs : 12/8/2017 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13730161 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.

Eli is NOT the problem!


He sure isn't the solution. Did you see the Geno put up the same amount of points with the same offense?
RE: At  
mrvax : 12/8/2017 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13730396 AcidTest said:
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this point, I'm somewhat hoping that our first round pick isn't a QB, just to watch half this board meltdown.


No biggie. Just means the new staff feels that Webb is better than the 2018 QB's. They had better be correct though.
RE: Yeah I think too many  
Carson53 : 12/8/2017 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13729948 JonC said:
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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.
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Of course it is, they would be foolish not too.
BTW, the Giants don't trade down, I think once
in the last decade folks.
RE: RE: I say you build up  
Carson53 : 12/8/2017 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13730462 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13730161 That’s Gold, Jerry said:


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the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.

Eli is NOT the problem!




He sure isn't the solution. Did you see the Geno put up the same amount of points with the same offense?


Eli is NOT the solution either! In his last two starts,
the offense scored a grand total of zero TD's.
The one TD was on a pick six by Jenkins.
Hell, even Geno had two TD's in his start.
I'd love to get Rosen  
Banks : 12/8/2017 3:29 pm : link
It's been a shit season, but at least draft time and the time leading up to it will be exciting.
Rosen is the most likely guy who can be a Day 1 Starter  
Jimmy Googs : 12/8/2017 3:32 pm : link
per many views.

Unless I am missing something, we will need a Day 1 Starter...
Rosen's good and all  
bluepepper : 12/8/2017 4:29 pm : link
but Jeez, can we for once get a QB who moves around back there?
7 qbs takenn in the first round?  
BlackburnBalledOut : 12/8/2017 5:50 pm : link
this is a joke
giants need to fix their line  
BlackburnBalledOut : 12/8/2017 5:52 pm : link
im not sold on either darnold or rosen, draft the tackle from texas or one of the ND OL.
Buyer beware  
Marty866b : 12/8/2017 6:02 pm : link
Rosen didn't play or finish in 11 of his last 19 games. Has had injury concerns and wears a knee brace.
RE: At  
BigBlueShock : 12/8/2017 6:10 pm : link
In comment 13730396 AcidTest said:
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this point, I'm somewhat hoping that our first round pick isn't a QB, just to watch half this board meltdown.

We don't know if Darnold is coming out.

We don't know where the Giants are picking.

We haven't had any post season evaluations, interviews, etc.

So we shouldn’t talk about it? Should we just shut the site down and come back in March?
RE: giants need to fix their line  
BigBlueShock : 12/8/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13730812 BlackburnBalledOut said:
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im not sold on either darnold or rosen, draft the tackle from texas or one of the ND OL.

None of those guys are top 3 picks. That’s how you end up with Ereck Flowers.
RE: 7 qbs takenn in the first round?  
Jimmy Googs : 12/8/2017 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13730809 BlackburnBalledOut said:
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this is a joke


That's fabulous for us. We get one of the better ones since we ultimately be picking #2 (i assume) and teams behind us dilute the QB position allowing us to improve the other position player we get in round 2...

RE: Buyer beware  
barens : 12/8/2017 6:22 pm : link
In comment 13730815 Marty866b said:
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Rosen didn't play or finish in 11 of his last 19 games. Has had injury concerns and wears a knee brace.


Really my only concern with Rosen, and I guess that is a big one. But I don't have any problems with his play on the field.
Well, Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield are definitely going to be  
Ira : 12/8/2017 7:04 pm : link
top nfl qbs. If the new gm doesn't screw things up. we'll have one of them. I'll be happy with any of those three.
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