are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.
Have you heard anything as to who the Giants prefer of Darnold/Rosen?
No it's way too early given the changes underway in the front office. My guess is it will be Darnold.
I would think Darnold as well, tho either QB would be excellent. It's funny, people may feel underwhelmed by either choice, but at the beginning of the college football season, both of those QB's were being talked about as the best thing since sliced bread.
If they grab Darnold and Barkley and compete for a SB before we know it.... I would be super pissed if they grabbed Darnold and we grabbed Rosen... Darnold guy here
likely, but not a proverbial "slam dunk" that the Giants take Rosen or Darnold. A new GM isn't wedded to Webb the way Reese might have been, but might like him anyway. Webb is a hard worker who loves football.
QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.
Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.
Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.
likely, but not a proverbial "slam dunk" that the Giants take Rosen or Darnold. A new GM isn't wedded to Webb the way Reese might have been, but might like him anyway. Webb is a hard worker who loves football.
QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.
Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.
Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.
If the Giants kept Reese and were focused on a QB I think they would have Darnold and Allen as their top two. With a likely new GM coming aboard soon we have no idea who he will target.
likely, but not a proverbial "slam dunk" that the Giants take Rosen or Darnold. A new GM isn't wedded to Webb the way Reese might have been, but might like him anyway. Webb is a hard worker who loves football.
QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.
Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.
Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.
I hear you, but when you look at how much success the Browns have had at trading down from high draft picks where they could have secured franchise QB's, I'd say that's not the smart move, unless the new GM thinks Eli has another 5 years in him.
Morning guys: Interesting comments. Right now the #2 pick is kind of a no-brainer. What we are picking up from our sources is that most (if not all) teams have the QBs rated 1) Darnold; 2) Rosen and everybody else somewhat farther behind. So picking two the Giants are likely going to get the guy that the Browns don't take at #1. And with Dorsey now the GM there one can assume that the Browns will start to act more like a regular team at the draft. To me what is really interesting as several people implied is who the Giants get in the second round. We have on our short list the Giants might be looking at at #35, RB Bryce Love, C Bill Price, Auburn G/T Braden Smith and Clemson DE Austin Bryant, although in our mock Price did go in the first. It will be interesting to see how the new regime approaches the second day picks. Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush. But time will tell.
Morning guys: Interesting comments. Right now the #2 pick is kind of a no-brainer. What we are picking up from our sources is that most (if not all) teams have the QBs rated 1) Darnold; 2) Rosen and everybody else somewhat farther behind. So picking two the Giants are likely going to get the guy that the Browns don't take at #1. And with Dorsey now the GM there one can assume that the Browns will start to act more like a regular team at the draft. To me what is really interesting as several people implied is who the Giants get in the second round. We have on our short list the Giants might be looking at at #35, RB Bryce Love, C Bill Price, Auburn G/T Braden Smith and Clemson DE Austin Bryant, although in our mock Price did go in the first. It will be interesting to see how the new regime approaches the second day picks. Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush. But time will tell.
Where do you see Josh Sweat going? That's a guy I would love to add to the roster in round 3 or 4
Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush.
A case can be made that the best way to improve the OL is via free agency, where you are judging the talent based on what they've done in a pro-style offense against NFL competition. Costly yes, but so are wasted draft picks.
Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush.
A case can be made that the best way to improve the OL is via free agency, where you are judging the talent based on what they've done in a pro-style offense against NFL competition. Costly yes, but so are wasted draft picks.
I'd prefer this strategy but the problem is this years FA is extremely weak.
Morning guys: Interesting comments. Right now the #2 pick is kind of a no-brainer. What we are picking up from our sources is that most (if not all) teams have the QBs rated 1) Darnold; 2) Rosen and everybody else somewhat farther behind. So picking two the Giants are likely going to get the guy that the Browns don't take at #1. And with Dorsey now the GM there one can assume that the Browns will start to act more like a regular team at the draft. To me what is really interesting as several people implied is who the Giants get in the second round. We have on our short list the Giants might be looking at at #35, RB Bryce Love, C Bill Price, Auburn G/T Braden Smith and Clemson DE Austin Bryant, although in our mock Price did go in the first. It will be interesting to see how the new regime approaches the second day picks. Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush. But time will tell.
Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
who do not want to take a QB with the first pick. It is incredibly short sighted.
I remind everyone of April 2004. There were people who advocated drafting Robert Gallery & keeping Kerry Collins. History repeats itself. Now, by no means am I comparing Eli to Collins, but he will be 37.
Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.
Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.
who do not want to take a QB with the first pick. It is incredibly short sighted.
That's it? Just "take a QB"?
It's sensible to actually consider the individuals. Many believe Rosen & Darnold just ain't all that. Mayfield has screaming issues.
If a Luck were in this draft then, yes, your point is valid. They're not in this draft.
This is not the greatest draft to have a top 5 pick (unlike 2004). The closest thing to can't miss players seem to be a Running Back and a Guard...positions historically not picked in the top 5.
Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.
Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.
Agreed the 1st round pick has to be a QB. There will be several promising offensive linemen on the board in the 2nd round.
Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.
Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.
Absolutely, that's where it's going to get interesting to me, is in round two if one of the top 4 running backs are available, would they grab one, or make the offensive line a priority.
Absolutely, that's where it's going to get interesting to me, is in round two if one of the top 4 running backs are available, would they grab one, or make the offensive line a priority.
I'd think going after the Oline guy would be better. IMO, putting a shiny new RB behind our crap Oline would be a travesty to the RB and the QB.
A good Oline can make an average back better (and help the QB too).
the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.
Eli is NOT the problem!
He sure isn't the solution. Did you see the Geno put up the same amount of points with the same offense?
Eli is NOT the solution either! In his last two starts,
the offense scored a grand total of zero TD's.
The one TD was on a pick six by Jenkins.
Hell, even Geno had two TD's in his start.
That's fabulous for us. We get one of the better ones since we ultimately be picking #2 (i assume) and teams behind us dilute the QB position allowing us to improve the other position player we get in round 2...
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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.
Have you heard anything as to who the Giants prefer of Darnold/Rosen?
No it's way too early given the changes underway in the front office. My guess is it will be Darnold.
If the Giants somehow miss Chubb & Nelson, Brown’s next man up for me.
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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.
Have you heard anything as to who the Giants prefer of Darnold/Rosen?
No it's way too early given the changes underway in the front office. My guess is it will be Darnold.
I would think Darnold as well, tho either QB would be excellent. It's funny, people may feel underwhelmed by either choice, but at the beginning of the college football season, both of those QB's were being talked about as the best thing since sliced bread.
QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.
Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.
Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.
QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.
Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.
Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.
If the Giants kept Reese and were focused on a QB I think they would have Darnold and Allen as their top two. With a likely new GM coming aboard soon we have no idea who he will target.
QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.
Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.
Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.
I hear you, but when you look at how much success the Browns have had at trading down from high draft picks where they could have secured franchise QB's, I'd say that's not the smart move, unless the new GM thinks Eli has another 5 years in him.
Where do you see Josh Sweat going? That's a guy I would love to add to the roster in round 3 or 4
Agreed...it's the perfect storm that they could be in the perfect position to draft a franchise qb without having to give up multiple draft choices
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Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush.
A case can be made that the best way to improve the OL is via free agency, where you are judging the talent based on what they've done in a pro-style offense against NFL competition. Costly yes, but so are wasted draft picks.
I'd prefer this strategy but the problem is this years FA is extremely weak.
Eli is NOT the problem!
7 with 6 in the top 12!
Eli is NOT the problem!
For what? To save a 37 year old QB's last year or two? And be in the same position of needing a QB?
No way. You gotta take the QB now. Have patience.. going for it in the short term year after year is what fucked this team to begin with.
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I'd bet the house on drafting a QB, it makes the most sense given the talent available and vital importance of the position.
If they don't come away with a QB in the first round I will be extremely frustrated.
Yes. And then cutting with Eli after 2018, saves $17M to sign our guys.
Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
Eli is NOT the problem!
Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
We have Avery Moss as a young DE already.
I remind everyone of April 2004. There were people who advocated drafting Robert Gallery & keeping Kerry Collins. History repeats itself. Now, by no means am I comparing Eli to Collins, but he will be 37.
Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.
That's it? Just "take a QB"?
It's sensible to actually consider the individuals. Many believe Rosen & Darnold just ain't all that. Mayfield has screaming issues.
If a Luck were in this draft then, yes, your point is valid. They're not in this draft.
This is not the greatest draft to have a top 5 pick (unlike 2004). The closest thing to can't miss players seem to be a Running Back and a Guard...positions historically not picked in the top 5.
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Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.
Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.
Agreed the 1st round pick has to be a QB. There will be several promising offensive linemen on the board in the 2nd round.
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Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.
Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.
Absolutely, that's where it's going to get interesting to me, is in round two if one of the top 4 running backs are available, would they grab one, or make the offensive line a priority.
Absolutely, that's where it's going to get interesting to me, is in round two if one of the top 4 running backs are available, would they grab one, or make the offensive line a priority.
I'd think going after the Oline guy would be better. IMO, putting a shiny new RB behind our crap Oline would be a travesty to the RB and the QB.
A good Oline can make an average back better (and help the QB too).
Putting it off could set you back years........
And so could blowing the pick by not selecting the right QB.
This is a big draft for the Jints.
Insteresting....especially if you gave a higher grade to the kid from Wyoming, or Mayfield.
Refresh my memory, who did we lose???
Ahh, right. And he's supposedly have a very good statistical year I believe.
We don't know if Darnold is coming out.
We don't know where the Giants are picking.
We haven't had any post season evaluations, interviews, etc.
Eli is NOT the problem!
He sure isn't the solution. Did you see the Geno put up the same amount of points with the same offense?
No biggie. Just means the new staff feels that Webb is better than the 2018 QB's. They had better be correct though.
Of course it is, they would be foolish not too.
BTW, the Giants don't trade down, I think once
in the last decade folks.
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the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.
Eli is NOT the problem!
He sure isn't the solution. Did you see the Geno put up the same amount of points with the same offense?
Eli is NOT the solution either! In his last two starts,
the offense scored a grand total of zero TD's.
The one TD was on a pick six by Jenkins.
Hell, even Geno had two TD's in his start.
Unless I am missing something, we will need a Day 1 Starter...
We don't know if Darnold is coming out.
We don't know where the Giants are picking.
We haven't had any post season evaluations, interviews, etc.
So we shouldn’t talk about it? Should we just shut the site down and come back in March?
None of those guys are top 3 picks. That’s how you end up with Ereck Flowers.
That's fabulous for us. We get one of the better ones since we ultimately be picking #2 (i assume) and teams behind us dilute the QB position allowing us to improve the other position player we get in round 2...
Really my only concern with Rosen, and I guess that is a big one. But I don't have any problems with his play on the field.