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M.S. : 12/8/2017 8:24 am
...has Darnold going #1 to Cleveland and Rosen going #2 to the Giants.



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The_Boss : 12/8/2017 8:30 am : link
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Cleveland would get an A+  
Capt. Don : 12/8/2017 8:31 am : link
with only their first two picks.

Is it crazy to hope the Giants can get Barkley with their 1st and Mayfield falls to early round 2? Probably but the Johnny Manziel comparisons will hurt him.
6 QBs  
mdthedream : 12/8/2017 8:31 am : link
in the first round.
cant argue this  
yankeeslover : 12/8/2017 8:32 am : link
but I have feeling that Browns go Rosen first.. After all there recent misses, I would think they go with the more pro ready QB.. Darnold might take a year or two..bigger upside, but Rosen is ready now.
RE: Cleveland would get an A+  
yankeeslover : 12/8/2017 8:33 am : link
In comment 13729835 Capt. Don said:
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with only their first two picks.

Is it crazy to hope the Giants can get Barkley with their 1st and Mayfield falls to early round 2? Probably but the Johnny Manziel comparisons will hurt him.


I would go Barkley, and take Jackson if he falls to 2nd
1st roundd is easy at this juncture....  
Reb8thVA : 12/8/2017 8:34 am : link
what about rounds 2-6? :-)
RE: 6 QBs  
bigbluehoya : 12/8/2017 8:34 am : link
In comment 13729837 mdthedream said:
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in the first round.


It’s actually 7, and I can’t see it happening.
This is based on the fact that Giants will pick 2  
superspynyg : 12/8/2017 8:37 am : link
There are too many crappy close teams to do this now. When we lock up the spot that we get then mock away.
Throw this into the mix  
njm : 12/8/2017 8:40 am : link
What if Andrew Luck is finished? Would Indy want to trade up to #2?
Wow the Jets would get huge value with Mayfield at 11....  
Chris684 : 12/8/2017 8:49 am : link
Could be much like the Steelers with Ben at 11 in 04.
That said...  
Chris684 : 12/8/2017 8:49 am : link
I think Barkley and Mayfield both go higher than 7 and 11 respectively.
The Giants could trade down...  
silverfox : 12/8/2017 8:54 am : link
...and take a franchise RB and pick up additional 1st round draft picks (OL or LB)...should the next GM/coach feel that Webb could be the next QB for us (assuming that Eli stays). If Eli goes or retires, all bets are off, and they likely take a QB in the first.

I wouldn't bet the house on them taking a QB as the first pick. Yeah, I know you don't pass on a franchise QB, but they could get a king's ransom for trading down if they think they can make it with Eli (with better coaching and players around him).
If Billy Price  
jvm52106 : 12/8/2017 8:59 am : link
is sitting there at 30, 31 the Giants need to trade up and get him!
I prefer Darnold.  
ATL_Giants : 12/8/2017 8:59 am : link
But depending on the offense that our eventual coach will want to run, Webb may be a better deep pass 'thrower'.
RE: If Billy Price  
M.S. : 12/8/2017 9:02 am : link
In comment 13729903 jvm52106 said:
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is sitting there at 30, 31 the Giants need to trade up and get him!

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RE: If Billy Price  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13729903 jvm52106 said:
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is sitting there at 30, 31 the Giants need to trade up and get him!

Agreed.
If we're picking #2  
JonC : 12/8/2017 9:14 am : link
I'd bet the house on drafting a QB, it makes the most sense given the talent available and vital importance of the position.
And that we don't have a reliable QB  
Jimmy Googs : 12/8/2017 9:17 am : link
currently on the roster...
Yeah I think too many  
JonC : 12/8/2017 9:25 am : link
are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.
RE: Yeah I think too many  
Sean : 12/8/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13729948 JonC said:
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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.


Have you heard anything as to who the Giants prefer of Darnold/Rosen?
RE: If we're picking #2  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2017 9:42 am : link
In comment 13729934 JonC said:
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I'd bet the house on drafting a QB, it makes the most sense given the talent available and vital importance of the position.


If they don't come away with a QB in the first round I will be extremely frustrated. The Giants are rarely in the position to pick in the top 3 in a deep QB draft. Also complicating matters is the three best non QB's in the draft are Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson and I don't think any of them are worth taking 2nd or 3rd overall. If there was a Jonathan Odgen or Julius Peppers in this draft then that would be different.

I will probably get ripped for this but if the Giants have the 3rd pick with both Rosen and Darnold gone I would like to see them take Josh Allen. He is a huge gamble but the potential is there. Let him sit and learn behind Eli for a year. Eli is the perfect mentor as he will show Allen how to prepare day in and day out on how to be a starting QB in NY. After watching more highlights of all the top QB's I am very intrigued by Allen's talent. I know he had a down year but that team around his is dreadful. As for Darnold I am becoming more concerned about his upside. He is very good at escaping pressure in the pocket but too often he is too quick to leave the pocket. Darnold needs work and he has to sit for at least one year IMO.
Some of you cats wanting to select dudes in the 2nd round  
GiantFilthy : 12/8/2017 9:43 am : link
when they are probably going top 5 to 12.
RE: Some of you cats wanting to select dudes in the 2nd round  
BrettNYG10 : 12/8/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13729980 GiantFilthy said:
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when they are probably going top 5 to 12.


That just makes them smart.
If we've learned anything about players, especially QB's  
BLUATHRT : 12/8/2017 9:50 am : link
it's that guys have to love the game to truly be elite. I have a fear with Rosen that he's going to lack that edge needed to truly be elite. The attitude, rumors about work ethic, etc really scare me. I'd take a guy like Mayfield all day over Rosen simply because he is fiercely competitive. I like Darnold and Allen better than I like Rosen.
RE: RE: Yeah I think too many  
JonC : 12/8/2017 9:53 am : link
In comment 13729975 Sean said:
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In comment 13729948 JonC said:


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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.



Have you heard anything as to who the Giants prefer of Darnold/Rosen?


No it's way too early given the changes underway in the front office. My guess is it will be Darnold.
Im surprised  
Powerclean765 : 12/8/2017 9:58 am : link
Orlando Brown isnt getting more hype. He’s a top 10 pick when its all said and done. Looks like a potential All Pro LT.

If the Giants somehow miss Chubb & Nelson, Brown’s next man up for me.
Love it, and with the second pick in the second round,  
barens : 12/8/2017 10:08 am : link
the Giants can select either Ronald Jones or Bryce Love, tho I can't see any of those 2 falling into the 2nd round.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah I think too many  
barens : 12/8/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13730003 JonC said:
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In comment 13729975 Sean said:


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In comment 13729948 JonC said:


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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.



Have you heard anything as to who the Giants prefer of Darnold/Rosen?



No it's way too early given the changes underway in the front office. My guess is it will be Darnold.


I would think Darnold as well, tho either QB would be excellent. It's funny, people may feel underwhelmed by either choice, but at the beginning of the college football season, both of those QB's were being talked about as the best thing since sliced bread.
Cleveland will win the AFC North next year  
est1986 : 12/8/2017 10:14 am : link
If they grab Darnold and Barkley and compete for a SB before we know it.... I would be super pissed if they grabbed Darnold and we grabbed Rosen... Darnold guy here
It's  
AcidTest : 12/8/2017 10:17 am : link
likely, but not a proverbial "slam dunk" that the Giants take Rosen or Darnold. A new GM isn't wedded to Webb the way Reese might have been, but might like him anyway. Webb is a hard worker who loves football.

QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.

Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.

Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.
RE: It's  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13730060 AcidTest said:
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likely, but not a proverbial "slam dunk" that the Giants take Rosen or Darnold. A new GM isn't wedded to Webb the way Reese might have been, but might like him anyway. Webb is a hard worker who loves football.

QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.

Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.

Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.

If the Giants kept Reese and were focused on a QB I think they would have Darnold and Allen as their top two. With a likely new GM coming aboard soon we have no idea who he will target.
RE: It's  
barens : 12/8/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13730060 AcidTest said:
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likely, but not a proverbial "slam dunk" that the Giants take Rosen or Darnold. A new GM isn't wedded to Webb the way Reese might have been, but might like him anyway. Webb is a hard worker who loves football.

QBs also have a high bust rate. I wouldn't be surprised if Rosen and Darnold succeed. I also wouldn't be surprised if they both bust. Rosen also has some character issues, and Darnold has thrown a lot of INTs.

Trading down would also net a lot of draft picks.

Darnold of course might moot the whole discussion by staying in school, or the Giants might win a few games and be picking fourth or fifth.


I hear you, but when you look at how much success the Browns have had at trading down from high draft picks where they could have secured franchise QB's, I'd say that's not the smart move, unless the new GM thinks Eli has another 5 years in him.
barens  
JonC : 12/8/2017 10:30 am : link
I like your tailback choices for round 2, will be interesting to see where they mock.
Mock draft  
Colin@gbn : 12/8/2017 10:32 am : link
Morning guys: Interesting comments. Right now the #2 pick is kind of a no-brainer. What we are picking up from our sources is that most (if not all) teams have the QBs rated 1) Darnold; 2) Rosen and everybody else somewhat farther behind. So picking two the Giants are likely going to get the guy that the Browns don't take at #1. And with Dorsey now the GM there one can assume that the Browns will start to act more like a regular team at the draft. To me what is really interesting as several people implied is who the Giants get in the second round. We have on our short list the Giants might be looking at at #35, RB Bryce Love, C Bill Price, Auburn G/T Braden Smith and Clemson DE Austin Bryant, although in our mock Price did go in the first. It will be interesting to see how the new regime approaches the second day picks. Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush. But time will tell.
RE: Mock draft  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2017 10:35 am : link
In comment 13730100 Colin@gbn said:
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Morning guys: Interesting comments. Right now the #2 pick is kind of a no-brainer. What we are picking up from our sources is that most (if not all) teams have the QBs rated 1) Darnold; 2) Rosen and everybody else somewhat farther behind. So picking two the Giants are likely going to get the guy that the Browns don't take at #1. And with Dorsey now the GM there one can assume that the Browns will start to act more like a regular team at the draft. To me what is really interesting as several people implied is who the Giants get in the second round. We have on our short list the Giants might be looking at at #35, RB Bryce Love, C Bill Price, Auburn G/T Braden Smith and Clemson DE Austin Bryant, although in our mock Price did go in the first. It will be interesting to see how the new regime approaches the second day picks. Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush. But time will tell.


Where do you see Josh Sweat going? That's a guy I would love to add to the roster in round 3 or 4
Giants projected  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2017 10:36 am : link
to get a 4th round comp pick, btw
RE: Mock draft  
Milton : 12/8/2017 10:43 am : link
In comment 13730100 Colin@gbn said:
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Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush.
A case can be made that the best way to improve the OL is via free agency, where you are judging the talent based on what they've done in a pro-style offense against NFL competition. Costly yes, but so are wasted draft picks.
RE: Yeah I think too many  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/8/2017 10:52 am : link
In comment 13729948 JonC said:
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are banking on Eli in the near term. It's the perfect time to get out in front of the QB situation.


Agreed...it's the perfect storm that they could be in the perfect position to draft a franchise qb without having to give up multiple draft choices
RE: RE: Mock draft  
ajr2456 : 12/8/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13730118 Milton said:
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In comment 13730100 Colin@gbn said:


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Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush.

A case can be made that the best way to improve the OL is via free agency, where you are judging the talent based on what they've done in a pro-style offense against NFL competition. Costly yes, but so are wasted draft picks.


I'd prefer this strategy but the problem is this years FA is extremely weak.
I say you build up  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 12/8/2017 11:09 am : link
the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.

Eli is NOT the problem!
RE: 6 QBs  
mrvax : 12/8/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13729837 mdthedream said:
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in the first round.


7 with 6 in the top 12!
RE: I say you build up  
Sonic Youth : 12/8/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13730161 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.

Eli is NOT the problem!
Total waste of having a top 4 pick, something that happens once every 15 years.

For what? To save a 37 year old QB's last year or two? And be in the same position of needing a QB?

No way. You gotta take the QB now. Have patience.. going for it in the short term year after year is what fucked this team to begin with.
RE: RE: If we're picking #2  
mrvax : 12/8/2017 11:18 am : link
In comment 13729978 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13729934 JonC said:


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I'd bet the house on drafting a QB, it makes the most sense given the talent available and vital importance of the position.



If they don't come away with a QB in the first round I will be extremely frustrated.


Yes. And then cutting with Eli after 2018, saves $17M to sign our guys.
RE: Mock draft  
Rjanyg : 12/8/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13730100 Colin@gbn said:
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Morning guys: Interesting comments. Right now the #2 pick is kind of a no-brainer. What we are picking up from our sources is that most (if not all) teams have the QBs rated 1) Darnold; 2) Rosen and everybody else somewhat farther behind. So picking two the Giants are likely going to get the guy that the Browns don't take at #1. And with Dorsey now the GM there one can assume that the Browns will start to act more like a regular team at the draft. To me what is really interesting as several people implied is who the Giants get in the second round. We have on our short list the Giants might be looking at at #35, RB Bryce Love, C Bill Price, Auburn G/T Braden Smith and Clemson DE Austin Bryant, although in our mock Price did go in the first. It will be interesting to see how the new regime approaches the second day picks. Clearly the Giants unit that needs the most work is the OL, but in the end OLs don't win championships and a case could be made that other than QB the primary need to get back to a championship level is to improve the pass rush. But time will tell.


Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.

RE: I say you build up  
Milton : 12/8/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13730161 That’s Gold, Jerry said:
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the foundation (OL), stay with Eli and you have a team ready to contend.

Eli is NOT the problem!
You can do both. Build a team around Eli that is ready to contend and draft the QB of the future with the second pick in the draft.
RE: RE: Mock draft  
mrvax : 12/8/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13730201 Rjanyg said:
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Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.


We have Avery Moss as a young DE already.
Amazing there are people..  
Sean : 12/8/2017 11:37 am : link
who do not want to take a QB with the first pick. It is incredibly short sighted.

I remind everyone of April 2004. There were people who advocated drafting Robert Gallery & keeping Kerry Collins. History repeats itself. Now, by no means am I comparing Eli to Collins, but he will be 37.
RE: RE: Mock draft  
Milton : 12/8/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13730201 Rjanyg said:
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Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.
You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.

Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.
RE: Amazing there are people..  
Overseer : 12/8/2017 11:49 am : link
In comment 13730218 Sean said:
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who do not want to take a QB with the first pick. It is incredibly short sighted.

That's it? Just "take a QB"?

It's sensible to actually consider the individuals. Many believe Rosen & Darnold just ain't all that. Mayfield has screaming issues.

If a Luck were in this draft then, yes, your point is valid. They're not in this draft.

This is not the greatest draft to have a top 5 pick (unlike 2004). The closest thing to can't miss players seem to be a Running Back and a Guard...positions historically not picked in the top 5.
RE: RE: RE: Mock draft  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2017 11:49 am : link
In comment 13730222 Milton said:
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In comment 13730201 Rjanyg said:


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Colin, we need OL help and while I too feel the pass rush is in need of improvement, any guy they draft will rotate at best and help on 3rd down but a really good OG/C could start from day 1 with all the question marks we have.


You can get a really good OG/C at the top of round 2. Chris Snee was taken at the top of round 2 the same year Eli was taken at the top of round 1. We could see the same combo position-wise in 2018.

Also, Cam Robinson was taken early round 2, so was Cordy Glenn. And Greg Robinson and Jason Smith were taken with the 2nd pick in round 1. And while everyone thinks Quenton Nelson is the second coming of Zach Martin, Martin wasn't nearly as highly regarded coming out of college as were Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack. Nelson is just as likely to bust as Rosen is.

Agreed the 1st round pick has to be a QB. There will be several promising offensive linemen on the board in the 2nd round.
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