coming years.
With Pugh and Richburg perhaps not being re-signed (considering Pugh's health problems) our OL will be decimated next year. When Flowers, Jerry, Wheeler, Hart and perhaps Jones are all that's left, we face a massive task to create a competent OL.
And whether we draft a QB or hope that Webb is the answer, our QB will be trying to develop behind that horrid line if allowed to play by the middle of next year...a recipe for developing happy feet.
Then, we have ONE WR, and he's incredibly talented but perhaps somewhat of a cancer. Regardless, we need at least one if not two more talented guys to pair with him if we're going to make it difficult to cover our wideouts. Engram at TE certainly helps, but between QB, the OL, WR and RB (where we have no one who scares anyone) that's a lot of holes to fill...and we haven't even discussed the defense yet.
On defense, we get NO pressure from our highly paid DEs (although our DTs are strong and get good push). We have NO LBs unless you consider Goodson a capable cover MLB. I see him as a thumper who shouldn't play on 3rd downs. We have good CBs, but DRC is aging and Apple's got immaturity issues. We have no FS...Thompson is always late in coverage and isn't a very good tackler.
So, needs at QB, OL, WR, RB, DE, LB, FS, CB...and not a ton of cap space to use on FAs. I think it will take a while to bring this team's talent level to the point where it's competitive with the top teams.
Hopefully we get lucky with the rebuild and it goes more quickly than I'm suggesting, but I think that the odds are that we are worse next year than we have been this year.
I don't see that happening. Things can change on a dime in the NFL.
On defense, we're probably stuck with the DEs given their contracts, but upgrade the OLBs and FS, and try to infuse better depth could go a long way.
This is a young football team, some seasoning within a proper vision of the head coach and systems will go a long way.
On defense, we're probably stuck with the DEs given their contracts, but upgrade the OLBs and FS, and try to infuse better depth could go a long way.
This is a young football team, some seasoning within a proper vision of the head coach and systems will go a long way.
100% agree. On the outside, what the Giants really need is a big bodied fast enough WR that can run 4 routes really well (hitch, streak, slant, and fade). Really the 2nd coming of Amani Toomer. It's what Marshall was supposed to do, but didn't deliver before he got hurt.
Saints. Jaguars.
Because this is a situation that a good evaluator should be able to turn around in about 2 years if they know what they're doing.
Rebuilds in the NFL should not take 5+ years - if they do, it means the people running things aren't good at what they're doing.
Agree. Sy'56 already said that he thought one FA plus hitting on one draft pick fixes the line right away.
What does this mean?
The league is going to help them for financial gain?
Doesn't really make sense. I don't think the NFL needs the Giants to be anything.
Hit big on a few draft picks, a couple of decent offseason pickups, and there's no reason they shouldn't be in the playoff hunt.
Not me. Fix the offensive line, I see a contender.
You say that will be very difficult, maybe.
But, Vikings found 5 new linemen in one year. Reese could have invested in line.
With established left tackle who knows how Flowers would have done at rt tackle. Fluker at left guard fill out rest with Jones and Pugh; maybe that would have worked.
Reese did nothing because he wasn t willing to give up on his investment for that unit
I don t share your pessimism.
This will be an exciting time to be a Giants fan and let's hope the new administration makes a return to power football
And then you get to shift gears from bitching endlessly about the Maras to bitching endlessly about the Steinbrenners.
On defense, we're probably stuck with the DEs given their contracts, but upgrade the OLBs and FS, and try to infuse better depth could go a long way.
This is a young football team, some seasoning within a proper vision of the head coach and systems will go a long way.
We need to move to a 3/4.
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Get the OL rebuilt, pick a WR who can stretch the field vertically split wide, and flat out need a more talented tailback rather than a committee of mediocre.
On defense, we're probably stuck with the DEs given their contracts, but upgrade the OLBs and FS, and try to infuse better depth could go a long way.
This is a young football team, some seasoning within a proper vision of the head coach and systems will go a long way.
We need to move to a 3/4.
Why?
Jacksonville has the best defense in football right now and they run a 4-3.
I'd be on board with a 3-4 - I just don't think it's 100% necessary to field a good defense. You can be just as good running a 4-3. The personnel and DC matter more than the base alignment. A good DC will find ways to use hybrid looks and a good GM will give them the pieces to do it.
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coming years.So, needs at QB, OL, WR, RB, DE, LB, FS, CB...and not a ton of cap space to use on FAs.
preaching to the choir.....
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Look at the Eagles and Chargers. I would also say the 2016 Cowboys. You get the right players and put them in the right scheme, you can overcome a lot.
You have to be very lucky, and sometimes teams have to be very stupid......Like Cleveland giving Philly a shot at Wentz....or drafting a QB like Dak, a fourth rounder no less, that was able to start right away and fit into their system....
Just because teams are able to do a quick turnaround, not all teams do.....Cleveland? SF? Tampa Bay? Bears?
And right now, we have no GM or HC......
This is a process, that could take several years, and is the reason Eli may not be with this team after this year.....
It may work, or the shit could hit the fan.....until we see who is in place running this club, until we see what we do in the draft, until we see whoever is in charge makes those hard decisions that this team has been avoiding for the past 6 seasons, we don't have a clue which direction this organization is going.....right now it's just wishful thinking.....
8 NFL teams (25% of the league) haven't been to the playoffs in at least 7 years (Jets, Bears, Titans, Bucs, Jags, Rams, Browns, and Bills).
Even the Giants have had only one (moderately impressive) playoff team in the last 6 years.
While there certainly is wild, up-and-down inconsistency in today's NFL, there's ample evidence to suggest that franchises with poor leadership can indeed wallow in prolonged periods of futility.
I don't know about you, but I haven't exactly been thrilled by the Giants' leadership at the very top.
A lot of NFL teams would love to have a #87.
I'm more an Eli supporter than hater - but I'll never understand the myth purported by so many on BBI that he's never had weapons. Pretty much his entire career Eli has had more weapons to throw to than most other teams, and that includes next year's team on paper.
Obviously the OL protecting long enough to get those guys the ball is another matter and has been for years.
Our receiving corps is just fine with Engram, OBJ & Shepard we have enough talent there. Guys like Lewis, King, Rudolph, and Powe round out the group. We have enough here as well.
We need a FS & a WLB on Defense, and we need at least two high draft picks and some vet FA help on the O-line. We can compete for the division in 2018.
Our receiving corps is just fine with Engram, OBJ & Shepard we have enough talent there. Guys like Lewis, King, Rudolph, and Powe round out the group. We have enough here as well.
We need a FS & a WLB on Defense, and we need at least two high draft picks and some vet FA help on the O-line. We can compete for the division in 2018.
Not to disagree but I would say that JPP and OV are the most overpaid DE's in football. The rest I hope you are right but this will all depend on who they bring in and I feel it could go either way up or down.
Comical evaluations to say the least.
The only true player I think is a reliable pass rusher is Vernon while giving a pass to the rookie Moss. Everybody else is easily replaceable as to production...
If new management spazzes out and takes a QB, it’s going to take a minimum of 2 years to get back in the mix.
If new management spazzes out and takes a QB, it’s going to take a minimum of 2 years to get back in the mix.
And yet, if Webb isn't the answer, we'd be another team w/o talent at QB going forward. And few teams succeed without that.
So imo we're between a rock and a hard place. Trade out of 2 and get the picks to firm up the OL, or take a QB and lose that chance.
Was this a wasted pick or does he receive a chance to play?
Jesus Christ this board is filled with dumbasses.
Hard decisions have to be made.....do you want another one year fix, or do you want to start to build for the future?
Was this a wasted pick or does he receive a chance to play?
Can't say it's a wasted pick until he plays. But, you can be as optimistic as you want about Davis Webb, the odds are against him being a long term answer, and it would be highly questionable to pass up a chance at a more talented QB prospect.
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Look at the Eagles and Chargers. I would also say the 2016 Cowboys. You get the right players and put them in the right scheme, you can overcome a lot.
Saints. Jaguars.
Rams
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If new management handles FA and the draft appropriately.
If new management spazzes out and takes a QB, it’s going to take a minimum of 2 years to get back in the mix.
And yet, if Webb isn't the answer, we'd be another team w/o talent at QB going forward. And few teams succeed without that.
So imo we're between a rock and a hard place. Trade out of 2 and get the picks to firm up the OL, or take a QB and lose that chance.
If you trade out of two you ride Eli out. He’s not done — look at the countless reputable sources who have come out since the benching and said as much.
Trade out of 2, use the picks to build the OL and front 7 on defense. Use a future premium pick to pick a QB when the time is right.
It’s not QB or the Giants are stuck with Eli/Webb forever. A trade down would net future firsts. Rebuild the roster and reevaluate after ‘18.
And who really wants to see another 2 win season in the next 5 years so they can be in position for a qb? And who says one will be there when they have that terrible season not too far from now?
And he usually tells Eli that at the LOS before the snap...
Second, they will be playing a last place schedule which is big
Third, this team has a stud WR (OBJ), stud TE (Engram), and good secondary receiver (Shep). Those are almost all the ingredients you need for a successful O
If they start a rookie QB next year thinking they are contenders no matter what else they do is foolish. But draft the right QB and hire the right coach, and this team is not far away.
I do think what the Giants think of Webb will effect the first pick. We have a bunch of holes to fill in the draft and FA.
How'd that offense do when OBJ was healthy this year?
He was healthy last year, when we still didn't score many points.
they had a horrible scheme this year. a new coach with a better scheme should be able to get more out of those players and improve the offense. they will have an offseason to try and improve the line as well. will they get 5 all-pro's? no, they probably won't get 1, but they may be able to get some average players in here which would be a help.
To me its all about the GM and coach. If they make the right hire I dont think it will be more than a year or two.
If not? Could be decades.
This will be an exciting time to be a Giants fan and let's hope the new administration makes a return to power football
I agree but I would add that we need speed at the RB position