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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2017 10:45 am
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

Ex-Knick Chris Smith, the younger brother of J.R. Smith, has signed a 3-year deal with Israeli team Ironi Nahariya in the first division, league sources say. Smith, who was with the Knicks during J.R. Smith's tenure in New York, has also converted to Judaism. His agreement with Ironi Nahariya was first reported by David Pick. Daniel Hazan, Chris Smith's agent, helped him through the process of religious conversion, he says.

Bobby Marks
ESPN


There are 16 teams that are eligible to make a waiver claim for either Sean Kilpatrick and Derrick Jones. Both players waived on Thursday will clear waivers on Saturday. Here is the current claim order of teams eligible with roster spots:

1. Chicago (15)
3. Dallas (15)
4. Sacramento (15)
5. Phoenix (15)
6. Memphis (15)
7. LA Clippers (14)*
10. Brooklyn (15)
12. Oklahoma City (14)**
15. New York (15)
16. New Orleans (15) ***
17. Portland (14) **
21. Indiana (14)
22. Milwaukee (15)
26. Toronto (14)*
27. Cleveland (15) **
30. Boston (14)

*= Would be a tax team
**= In the tax
***= Hard cap restrictions


Around the league

Ingram 21, 7 and 6 (I was hard on him last season but the kid has really taken a step forward. He has a shot to be a very nice player, Ball gets all of the publicity but I'd take Ingram over Ball 10/10 times).

Ball 10, 8 and 8, 5-11 from the field, 3 steals, 4 blocks

Simmons 12, 13 rebounds, 15 assists.. WOW

Embiid 33, 7 and 6 with 5 blocks... it must be so much fun to be a Sixers fan right now

Bradley Beal is averaging 42.5 points per game over his last 2, 34/59 from the field, amazingly only 6 3's.

Warren 23 and 8, he's a nice player

Melo... 5-20!, might be unfair but the Melo is a loser narrative isn't being helped by the Thunder's 11-13 start... 33/19% over his last 5... yuck

Levert 21, 10 and 5 for BK

Mitchell 26, 4 and 4, kid can play
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RE: Thank you  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/8/2017 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13730256 GMEN46 said:
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Bceagle and I am just stunned by Jon in nyc's Mitchell comment I think I recalled being ripped by Jon in NYC quite a few times by my call on Mitchell.


Those threads still around somewhere?
RE: this season means absolutely nothing  
yatqb : 12/8/2017 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13730203 Greg from LI said:
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Anyone other than KP should be available for a good return.


I agree. But what is the good return?
Tank Tank Tank should be the priority  
Earl the goat : 12/8/2017 12:08 pm : link
Trading Lee Oquinn and hopefully Lance for expiring and draft picks would make Scott Perry Mt Rushmore material.
RE: Thank you  
Jon in NYC : 12/8/2017 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13730256 GMEN46 said:
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Bceagle and I am just stunned by Jon in nyc's Mitchell comment I think I recalled being ripped by Jon in NYC quite a few times by my call on Mitchell.


I didn't rip for you Mitchell. I ripped you for making decisions based off of summer league and your insane comments about Frank.
RE: RE: Thank you  
Jon in NYC : 12/8/2017 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13730259 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 13730256 GMEN46 said:


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Bceagle and I am just stunned by Jon in nyc's Mitchell comment I think I recalled being ripped by Jon in NYC quite a few times by my call on Mitchell.



Those threads still around somewhere?


Hahaha be more desperate, I dare you.
RE: Tank Tank Tank should be the priority  
yatqb : 12/8/2017 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13730270 Earl the goat said:
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Trading Lee Oquinn and hopefully Lance for expiring and draft picks would make Scott Perry Mt Rushmore material.


He's already on Mt. Rushmore for the Melo trade.
RE: RE: RE: Thank you  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/8/2017 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13730276 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13730256 GMEN46 said:


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Bceagle and I am just stunned by Jon in nyc's Mitchell comment I think I recalled being ripped by Jon in NYC quite a few times by my call on Mitchell.



Those threads still around somewhere?



Hahaha be more desperate, I dare you.


WTF are you talking about? I couldn’t care less to see you getting in a pissing match over players potential. Hindsight is always 20/20. Just interested to see how the chatter was on frank and other picks. Calm down.
Bulls are 3-20?? Goddamn.  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2017 12:19 pm : link
If the Knicks can't get a road win in Chicago, we may never get another one.
I have no time  
GMEN46 : 12/8/2017 12:22 pm : link
To go back and look but I remember explaining myself that it wasn't about summer league. It was the improvement in shooting, work ethic, top flight defense, good shooting form and elite athleticism and the chance to be a superstar and having the pure desire and worth ethic to be great. 6'9 wingspan. And I was aboslutely ripped on here as someone who knows nothing about basketball talent, yada, yada.
RE: Bulls are 3-20?? Goddamn.  
Enzo : 12/8/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13730288 bceagle05 said:
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If the Knicks can't get a road win in Chicago, we may never get another one.

Jerian/Robin/Justin revenge game!
Courtney lee  
GMEN46 : 12/8/2017 12:42 pm : link
What are the teams rumored to be interested in Lee?
Mitchell  
TyreeHelmet : 12/8/2017 12:42 pm : link
Has been incredible but remember it's a marathon not a sprint. There's been a lot of guys who have burst on the scene strongly only to fade or plateau. Not saying that's the case with DM but it's still early.

You definitely have to consider the age factor with Frank but they are some concerning things- his explosiveness/ quickness/ first step and ability to finish at the hoop. Has he dunked yet?

I know he didn't play the other night but it got me thinking, does Mike Conleys game remind you of Frank? Conley has never been an explosive player and definitely struggled early in his career. He seems to improve every year though and would love if Frank turned out similar.

RE: Mitchell  
Enzo : 12/8/2017 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13730325 TyreeHelmet said:
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Has been incredible but remember it's a marathon not a sprint. There's been a lot of guys who have burst on the scene strongly only to fade or plateau. Not saying that's the case with DM but it's still early.

You definitely have to consider the age factor with Frank but they are some concerning things- his explosiveness/ quickness/ first step and ability to finish at the hoop. Has he dunked yet?

I know he didn't play the other night but it got me thinking, does Mike Conleys game remind you of Frank? Conley has never been an explosive player and definitely struggled early in his career. He seems to improve every year though and would love if Frank turned out similar.

we should all be thrilled if Frank turns into Conley. My concern about the pick at the time was that there were guys available with higher ceilings than Conley.
Justin Holliday  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2017 1:02 pm : link
was a stealth tankbuster last year. Quite a few games that he salvaged by randomly hitting a bunch of fourth quarter threes out of nowhere.
RE: this season means absolutely nothing  
Enzo : 12/8/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13730203 Greg from LI said:
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Anyone other than KP should be available for a good return.

agree. Who cares if you break up what is, at best, maybe a 6-8 seed?
KP  
Keith : 12/8/2017 1:05 pm : link
probably cares.
Yeah I'm fine with selling high on Courtney Lee.  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2017 1:07 pm : link
I never have any faith in the Knicks making those types of forward-thinking moves though. It would be a lot easier to do if Dotson starts playing better in Timmy's absence. So far he hasn't responded well to the increased playing time.
Frank will be fine  
DennyInDenville : 12/8/2017 1:07 pm : link
He literally just needs to get better at being aggressive on offense

Everything else will fall in line. Have him workout with Allen Iverson


I would not trade Lee unless we get ...

A.) Multiple picks
B.) High 1st/low-Lottery pick
C.) A young talented SF
RE: KP  
Enzo : 12/8/2017 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13730368 Keith said:
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probably cares.

that's no way to run a team. Make smart moves, acquire assets, improve the roster, and the winning will eventually happen. This roster still needs a lot of work.
Knicks "Rebuilding since 1973"  
GiantsUA : 12/8/2017 1:10 pm : link
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RE: Knicks  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13730380 GiantsUA said:
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It's a funny line, but a lot of people confuse sucking with rebuilding. The Knicks have sucked the past 15 years, but they haven't been rebuilding. No rebuilding team gives away first rounders to acquire vets with big contracts - they do the exact opposite. Trading Courtney Lee is the right thing to do, and I think KP is savvy enough to understand that.
RE: Imagine the Sixers today  
djm : 12/8/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13730154 Jay on the Island said:
[quote] If they took Porzingis instead of Okafor. [/quote

The world would have ended by now. Perish the thought. Perish!
RE: Frank will be fine  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/8/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13730375 DennyInDenville said:
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He literally just needs to get better at being aggressive on offense

Everything else will fall in line. Have him workout with Allen Iverson


I would not trade Lee unless we get ...

A.) Multiple picks
B.) High 1st/low-Lottery pick
C.) A young talented SF


Allen Iverson is not teaching him speed
RE: RE: Fuck Dennis Smith,  
djm : 12/8/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13730225 bceagle05 said:
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the guy we should have taken is Donovan Mitchell. He's a stud. Love Frank, but right now I'd trade him for Mitchell in a heartbeat.


Yeah, when is Lebron gonna declare that Donovan Mitchell "should be a Maverick."

If I were GMEN46, I'd be starting Donovan Mitchell threads every day on here - so far he's 100 percent right. I still like Frank, but Mitchell looks great. Those Dwyane Wade pre-draft comps aren't so crazy. It's a shame Utah is such a non-starter for free agents - they run a great franchise and could be a legit contended if one star player got on board.


Jfc don't encourage him.
Knicks shoukd trade Lee  
twostepgiants : 12/8/2017 1:23 pm : link
Knicks are not a 5-6 seed as some suggest

The Knicks are not in a playoff position right now and that is with a great start from Porzingas, chemistry, great play from Kanter, Lee, Hardaway, etc. That is with alot of home games and a favorable schedule

We need to stop fooling ourselves that this team is going somewhere in 2018. They are not.

The future is 2020.

Deal Courtney Lee by the deadline for what you can get. Ensure another lottery pick - thats what best for this team.

RE: RE: KP  
Keith : 12/8/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13730378 Enzo said:
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probably cares.


that's no way to run a team. Make smart moves, acquire assets, improve the roster, and the winning will eventually happen. This roster still needs a lot of work.


Little bit of a different situation though. KP needs to be signed long term and he has expressed some displeasure with how things are being done. Now we have a good team(they will be in the playoff hunt all season) and we are going to sell off a key player? May not be a good move. Obviously it depends on the return, but we also could trade Lee in the offseason.
RE: Knicks shoukd trade Lee  
Keith : 12/8/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13730402 twostepgiants said:
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Knicks are not a 5-6 seed as some suggest

The Knicks are not in a playoff position right now and that is with a great start from Porzingas, chemistry, great play from Kanter, Lee, Hardaway, etc. That is with alot of home games and a favorable schedule

We need to stop fooling ourselves that this team is going somewhere in 2018. They are not.

The future is 2020.

Deal Courtney Lee by the deadline for what you can get. Ensure another lottery pick - thats what best for this team.


Terrible post, IMO. First off, we are 2 games out of the 4 seed and we've had some injuries of late which has hurt(no pun intended). Then you contradict yourself, trade Lee for whatever you can get and ensure another lottery pick. Most likely, the team trading for Lee is a playoff team that won't be offering a lottery pick.
KP  
TyreeHelmet : 12/8/2017 1:35 pm : link
Never say never but it would be truly shocking if KP didn't sign an extension this offseason. He would be giving up a massive amount of guaranteed money that no other nba player has done before
With Knicks fans luck,  
Keith : 12/8/2017 1:36 pm : link
this will be the time it happens.

KP's gonna be here for a long time. I'd say that the odds of his  
yatqb : 12/8/2017 1:53 pm : link
leaving are less than 5%.

What team near the 8th seed in their division needs Lee? I suspect that Perry will pull the trigger if he lands a #1 that has a chance to be a lottery pick.
RE: RE: Knicks shoukd trade Lee  
twostepgiants : 12/8/2017 3:25 pm : link
1- i meant by trading Lee they will ensure their own pick will be lottery. Not that they would get a lottery pick in a trade for him

2- yes Knicks are "just 2 back of 4 seed" but have you considered that thet have played Double the amount of home ganes as road games? They have won just 1 road game.

Why dont you take a peek at the upcoming schedule.
6 of last 9 games in December on road.
12 of 15 games in January on road.

Thats 18 of 24 from mid-December until end of January on road.
Some of tbe 6 home games- Boston, spurs, Philly
Hardaway probably to be out for all of them

What do you surmise the Knicks will be to the 4 seed then?



In comment 13730405 Keith said:
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In comment 13730402 twostepgiants said:


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Knicks are not a 5-6 seed as some suggest

The Knicks are not in a playoff position right now and that is with a great start from Porzingas, chemistry, great play from Kanter, Lee, Hardaway, etc. That is with alot of home games and a favorable schedule

We need to stop fooling ourselves that this team is going somewhere in 2018. They are not.

The future is 2020.

Deal Courtney Lee by the deadline for what you can get. Ensure another lottery pick - thats what best for this team.




Terrible post, IMO. First off, we are 2 games out of the 4 seed and we've had some injuries of late which has hurt(no pun intended). Then you contradict yourself, trade Lee for whatever you can get and ensure another lottery pick. Most likely, the team trading for Lee is a playoff team that won't be offering a lottery pick.
You really think that trading Lee  
Keith : 12/8/2017 3:29 pm : link
will ensure us a lottery pick??? Not with KP and Kanter. We will still be a 7-10 seed team without Lee.

I understand the schedule has been easy. I understand that we probably aren't a 4-5 seed. My point is, why not wait and see. There is no reason to trade Lee now unless we get blown away. We are better off waiting until the deadline so we can really assess where we are. If we are still playing well at the time, we can move him in the offseason. If I'm running the knicks. I would trade Lee if someone overpaid or reassess come the deadline.
The Knicks will fall off  
Jon in NYC : 12/8/2017 3:46 pm : link
the pace. I'd be stunned if they're sniffing the playoffs in another month or two. Trade Lee while his value is at its peak.
Why exactly would Lees value  
Keith : 12/8/2017 3:49 pm : link
come down?
They're going to float around .500 all year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/8/2017 3:54 pm : link
Don't sucked sucked into what seed they would be. The conference sucks. The team competes, they have some good pieces, and they're led by an old PG known to break down over the length of a season. This isn't the year.

If you can maximize value for Lee, you move him. This shouldn't even be a question. He's 32. Sell high.
RE: You really think that trading Lee  
twostepgiants : 12/8/2017 3:57 pm : link
The Knicks are already in the 9 Spot with double the home games, easy schedule, a remarkable historic start by Porzingas

Hardaway now out 2-6 weeks with a tremendous road stretch coming.

The Knicks will be lucky to be 5 games out of the 8 seed by end of January.

Courtney Lee has value. Trade him and get something in return right now.

In comment 13730615 Keith said:
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will ensure us a lottery pick??? Not with KP and Kanter. We will still be a 7-10 seed team without Lee.

I understand the schedule has been easy. I understand that we probably aren't a 4-5 seed. My point is, why not wait and see. There is no reason to trade Lee now unless we get blown away. We are better off waiting until the deadline so we can really assess where we are. If we are still playing well at the time, we can move him in the offseason. If I'm running the knicks. I would trade Lee if someone overpaid or reassess come the deadline.
You aren't following.  
Keith : 12/8/2017 4:00 pm : link
I'm not saying don't trade Lee. I'm saying, reassess after that road trip. His value isn't going to go down. Its a bad message to send to KP at this point in time. If we fall out of the race by the deadline, then you trade him.
RE: You aren't following.  
twostepgiants : 12/8/2017 4:29 pm : link
Im not against waiting until the deadline.

n comment 13730674 Keith said:
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I'm not saying don't trade Lee. I'm saying, reassess after that road trip. His value isn't going to go down. Its a bad message to send to KP at this point in time. If we fall out of the race by the deadline, then you trade him.
Krystap porzingas new lady friend is model "Bambi"  
Canton : 12/9/2017 10:51 am : link
Slide show is NSFW.

Also a video of them walking on the streets of NY.
Kristaps Porzingis' New Lady Friend Is Hot Model with Insane Pics - TMZ - ( New Window )
Her instagram  
Canton : 12/9/2017 11:15 am : link
kporzee follows
Link - ( New Window )
The only part about the knicks start...  
Italianju : 12/9/2017 12:12 pm : link
that has me concerned is the amount of home games and how bad they have looked on the road. They are not a bad team. I mean what is there record when KP, Jack, and Kanter all start? Probably something like 12-4.

That said, im with Keith in that id hold onto lee until closer to the deadline. See where we are at then. If we are fighting for the 8th seed and you get a solid offer id take it. If we have collapsed then jsut get what you can for him. And if we are still fighting for a 6 seed then maybe you keep him. Of course all of this would depend on what you are getting for him. If some team in the lottery right now is offering you an unprotected first then sure trade him now, but my guess is the offers are not anything great. Probably teams who will be picking in the 20's offering a first or future first.
I would take a Lee deal if it's good  
adamg : 12/9/2017 12:20 pm : link
I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth when we're already playing with house money this year. We're not contenders yet. Lee isn't a starter on a contender...
I know Frank is young, I know he has limited exposure to American  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/9/2017 1:16 pm : link
style of basketball, but it’s hard to imagine him being more than an averge scorer right now. He better averages 5 steals a game to justify picking him over Mitchell.

Mitchell seems to have the lead dog mentality, which is huge in determining success in the league. His shot is better than advertised and we already knew his off-charts athleticism. Don’t just look at the stats. Look at the type of plays he is making. He is a stud.

Meanwhile, our guy passes the ball around the perimeter and we applaud him for being unselfish....I know, I know it’s early. But Frank needs to come out of his shell first.

Keeping Lee won’t help keep Porzingis around. Fielding a better team will, like drafting someone like Mitchell instead of Frank. Get a pick for Lee and run.
Ntilikina is very, very young.  
Keith : 12/9/2017 1:24 pm : link
He's a full 2 years younger than Mitchell. It's way too early to compare them and quite unfair.
I don't know, I understand patience is necessary with Frank, but  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/9/2017 1:35 pm : link
basketball is a sport where you can see if someone can play pretty readily. It's hard to imagine Frank ever playing with this type of explosiveness or creativity.

Also, it's not like Mitchell can't shoot or play defense.
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I remember people  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/9/2017 1:39 pm : link
being upset about not drafting Brandon Jennings after Curry went to Golden State. Now Jennings is over in China. It's early yet.

With that being said, Mitchell right now looks like the steal of the draft.
It's too early to be down on the Frenchy pick  
adamg : 12/9/2017 1:45 pm : link
Especially before we see what we do in the next draft. Not to mention, Hardaway offers a lot on offense, Franky may be a better complement for good team basketball.
Mitchell and Frank..  
Italianju : 12/9/2017 1:49 pm : link
are going to be very different types of guards. And im not saying id take Frank over him if i had the choice again. Mitchell has been great. But there is something to be said about the fact that Frank is avg almost the same amount of assists and Mitchell in 10 less minutes. And i know that Mitchell is playing SG a lot of the time, but i just think he is going to be more of a scoring guard. Again im not knocking mitchell and id take him over Frank if i could, but i think Frank can be a better PG and defender quite easily. Will never be a better scorer though (or highlight play maker if thats the eye test)
Look like Bambi Is another woman scorned by our KP  
Canton : 12/9/2017 8:46 pm : link
KP with another hit and run with the ladies heh.



She posted this on her instagram story the day after TMZ breaks KP has a new "lady friend."
Looks like KP didn't like the the extra attention the press  
Canton : 12/10/2017 1:17 am : link
wax giving him and his "lady friend" that he dumped her the next day.
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