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Mike in St. Louis : 12/8/2017 12:20 pm
like Gary Sanchez...part of rift between Joe and Cashman/management...

“In fact, two sources say there is a misperception that management was unhappy with Joe Girardi for publicly scolding Sanchez in regard to his defense last season.
Actually, they say, the issue was more that Girardi wasn’t tough enough on Sanchez behind closed doors, at least in terms of his practice habits, which may have led to the catcher regressing defensively, compared to his rookie season."
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"In his article, Harper {NY Daily News} mentions that the hiring of Aaron Boone as Girardi’s replacement is meant to move away from Girardi’s style of managing, which was more about strategy and less about building relationships — at least, the kind of relationships the Yankees want their players to have with the manager.

“Still, the bottom line is that the Yankees saw the dynamic as part of a larger issue. That is, if Girardi had stronger relationships with players he would have been able to deal more openly with Sanchez to prevent his regression.
And that’s at least partly why you heard Boone at his press conference stressing the importance of building relationships in the clubhouse.""

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Cashman was on the Yankees Hot Stove show on YES  
bceagle05 : 12/8/2017 12:24 pm : link
and mentioned that Gary had a routine with Josh Paul in the minors that really helped his defense, and he's gotten away from it at the MLB level. He didn't specify whether it was Gary being lazy or the coaching staff not drilling him more on his defense, but this article seems to point to the latter. Either way, Cash said they'll get him back on his old routine.
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I am Ninja : 12/8/2017 12:53 pm : link
Thats the tough part about feeling whether it was the right move getting rid of Girardi. It sounds like so much of it is the breakdown of working relationships all the way around, the extent of which we had no knowledge of, even through the alcs. Who am i to say its wrong getting rid of a guy that no one was really happy working with. Wish it were different, but thats life. Best of luck to Boone. He has the squad to win with and endear himself to the fans. A couple rings, combined with the walk off, and hes a bona fide legend.
You guys will swallow anything  
HomerJones45 : 12/8/2017 1:03 pm : link
including the ol' Cashman spinner ball. Now Girardi was too easy on the players; before he was too tough. What Sanchez was doing had nothing to do with drills. It had to do with effort. Catchers learn how to block pitches in the dirt in Babe Ruth league. Your average high school catcher knows what to do.

Worry not about Boone's managerial inexperience. The last thing Cashman wants is a manager with experience. Boone is there to do what Cashman wants him to do and strategize in accordance with the stat nerds advice.
We don't know why Girardi was fired and may never know.  
Ron from Ninerland : 12/8/2017 1:31 pm : link
These blurbs like the one the OP has linked are just trivial nonsense meant to fill a column. From what we fans saw, Girardi was an excellent manager. He handles a pitching staff as well as anyone in baseball, there was generally and absence of bonehead moves within games and he gave excellent interviews. The players, with the exception of Teixiera liked him. They certainly performed for him.

Maybe the reasons for his dismissal were more mundane. Perhaps he was coming in late and leaving early. Perhaps he was aloof in his meetings with Hal and Cashman. Perhaps he gave other indications that he was burning out. I'm trying to read between the lines of the interviews with Cashman, Hal and Suzyn Waldman. What I get out of these interviews is that the reasons for firing Girardi go back a long time, perhaps to last year. Its not due to any one baseball thing he did or didn't do. Maybe there was a general feeling within the Yankee circles that Girardi was close to the end.
No one wanted Girardi gone more than me  
arniefez : 12/8/2017 1:49 pm : link
if for nothing else so we don't have to hear about how great he is at handling a pitching staff which is total bullshit. He's mismanaged Betqnces 3 years in a row and was the only person ever in MLB to make Chapman hittable. But enough with the burying him out the door. The Yankees don't need to be the Red Sox. Thankfully he's gone. Wish him well and be quiet now.
Too many people look at the results and not the whole picture  
rich in DC : 12/8/2017 2:00 pm : link
I see a lot of praise for the Yanks success under Girardi, but how much of that was him and how much was that the players?

I think more people would "get it" instead of trying to defend Girardi if we looked at it a different way. Imagine working at a very successful company- profits are up, shareholders like the numbers, output is great. However, while the boss is a hard worker and knows the job well, the boss is just not a "people person."

It is impossible to engage the boss in a conversation, the boss' intensity and focus on the job wears out everyone around the boss, leading to a lot of hard feelings from the workers. Company management has the same problems. Boss gets fired. Company hires a new manager who has good experience with the company, but has never been in an exec position before, but is known as a great "people person" and begins rebuilding the relationships in the company.

Now, insert "Yankees" in place of "company" into the above, and I think the picture gets clearer. I am sure many here have worked with the boss who could not be a people person- no matter how good at the job they were- and you couldn't wait to get out- no matter how good the job/pay was or the company was doing.

The Yanks are trying not to tear down Girardi, as I am sure he wants to work in baseball again, but for those who WANT to hear it, instead of blinding professing that Girardi was great- the Yanks are nicely trying to say that Girardi's personality was too much and he had to go.
Girardi was let go  
RetroJint : 12/9/2017 8:37 am : link
because the Yankees feared that his neuroses would wear down young psyches . The Girardi you saw in press conferences was not thr one players experienced in his office . This has nothing to do with being too hard or soft . It's a personality issue. For example, when Girardi's neuroses tangoed with Betances's, the result was 3-hoppers to the plate . I realize that Delan remains a big supporter of Joe, but the work product suggests a nervous breakdown .

Bright guy. Engineering degree from Northwestern . Honorable family man. I think his first post playing career thoughts were the best fit for him: in the front office . He will manage again if he so desires , but I see him more as a GM.
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