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It is time to talk about injuries again

bigfish703 : 12/8/2017 12:33 pm
as a big factor in this disappointing season.

By my count, the Giants have 16 players on IR, 7 more were previously waived off IR, and it looks like 4 more are injured & not expected to play this Sunday. You cannot win in the NFL or any other league with so many injuries.

That makes 27 players who could have played for the Giants this year who will not play against the Cowboys. IT looks like the Giants will lead the League in injuries again for the third time in 4 years.

If injuries were random, the odds of leading the NFL in any one year would be 32 to 1. Thus, the odds of leading the League in 3 of 4 years would be 32X32X32 =
32,768 to 1. The injuries are not random. The Giants are doing something wrong and will not be a winning team until they find the cause(s) and fix them.

We thought the problem was solved last year. It was not.

Any ideas?
Never should have signed Geno Smith  
gmenatlarge : 12/8/2017 12:39 pm : link
the guy is a walking karma nightmare.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 12/8/2017 12:43 pm : link
Something to consider

When the season is lost early, players tend to get IR'd faster.

What team(s) are the leader(s) in least amount of injuries...  
TheEvilLurker : 12/8/2017 12:51 pm : link
Is there anything that the Giants can learn about their practices that they could use?
I'm with CHoH  
Rocky369 : 12/8/2017 1:31 pm : link
crap season and players aren't pushing through the injuries they otherwise may have
Injuries happen to every team  
HomerJones45 : 12/8/2017 1:33 pm : link
Sure when guys are injured, the soft tissue injuries tend to pile up and guys take longer to heal.

Every team has injuries. When you have a bad roster, you can't cover for injuries and guys get hurt trying to do more than they really are capable of doing.
I don't think the math above is right  
81_Great_Dane : 12/8/2017 1:43 pm : link
but yeah, 3 times in 4 years is incredibly unlikely if it's truly random. So that suggests it's not random -- there's some factor boosting the Giants' injury rate.
Strength & Conditioning Coach  
Samiam : 12/8/2017 1:44 pm : link
For a few years I was reading here about how the coach sucked and was old fashioned & that’s why there were so many injuries. Last year everybody was patting themselves on the back with the new guy and new techniques. So what happened this year?
yes  
giantfan2000 : 12/8/2017 1:54 pm : link
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When the season is lost early, players tend to get IR'd faster.


100% agree


for example Jackrabbit said if we were in contention he would have not gotten surgery

I think you have to look at a few factors
1. there has not been any non contact injuries since new S & C team
no more injuries in the weight room !!!

2. during TC reign it was rare someone came back from IR during the season
this yeah BJ Goodson came back which shows me that rehab is better than it was before

3. If seems like when Players come back from injury now. -- they are healthy .. they . .they don't get hurt again with some other injury. ..

one note -- a concussion injury is just an injury that can't be prevented or predicted so any concussion injuries you just have to blame on the Gods

also I think OBJ was probably rushed back which is why he ended up getting reinjured hopefully won't hurt his comeback next year ...

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arcarsenal : 12/8/2017 2:00 pm : link
Records need to be taken into account.

If we're 10-2 right now instead of the inverse, half of the IR'd players probably aren't on it.
We stopped talking about injuries?  
exiled : 12/8/2017 2:08 pm : link
running theme
RE: Strength & Conditioning Coach  
Britt in VA : 12/8/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13730437 Samiam said:
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For a few years I was reading here about how the coach sucked and was old fashioned & that’s why there were so many injuries. Last year everybody was patting themselves on the back with the new guy and new techniques. So what happened this year?


crickets.
need more Spa days  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/8/2017 2:23 pm : link
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RE: .....  
Beer Man : 12/8/2017 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13730326 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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Something to consider

When the season is lost early, players tend to get IR'd faster.
Agree, I think it was also accelerated this year so that Mac and Jerry would have an excuse to save their jobs.
RE: RE: .....  
Diver_Down : 12/8/2017 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13730504 Beer Man said:
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In comment 13730326 CoughlinHandsonHips said:


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Something to consider

When the season is lost early, players tend to get IR'd faster.


Agree, I think it was also accelerated this year so that Mac and Jerry would have an excuse to save their jobs.


Case in point is Fluker. The guy mysteriously shows up with a toe injury, and the next week he is on IR. It reeked of padding the IR list while also justifying an opportunity to see Halapio in game action.
RE: RE: Strength & Conditioning Coach  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2017 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13730471 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13730437 Samiam said:


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For a few years I was reading here about how the coach sucked and was old fashioned & that’s why there were so many injuries. Last year everybody was patting themselves on the back with the new guy and new techniques. So what happened this year?



crickets.

There's no crickets. It's been a lost season. It only makes sense to IR players more quickly and get younger players on the field when a team is not in contention.

Sorry to burst your TC bubble.
RE: RE: RE: Strength & Conditioning Coach  
Britt in VA : 12/8/2017 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13730623 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13730471 Britt in VA said:


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In comment 13730437 Samiam said:


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For a few years I was reading here about how the coach sucked and was old fashioned & that’s why there were so many injuries. Last year everybody was patting themselves on the back with the new guy and new techniques. So what happened this year?



crickets.


There's no crickets. It's been a lost season. It only makes sense to IR players more quickly and get younger players on the field when a team is not in contention.

Sorry to burst your TC bubble.


7 wins (started 0-6)
6 wins
6 wins

Tom Coughlin's final three, injury riddled seasons. None of those teams were in contention at this point in the year.

Additionally, how do you know what's legit and what is not? You think Pugh is packing it in because of the record?
Additionally....  
Britt in VA : 12/8/2017 3:38 pm : link
the cluster of injuries to one position, which happened frequently under Coughlin, happened early this season when we lost all three starting WR's in one game, two for the year, and one might as well have been for the year.
But yeah, McAdoo solved the problem.  
Britt in VA : 12/8/2017 3:39 pm : link
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What Does Crickets Mean?  
Samiam : 12/8/2017 5:15 pm : link
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RE: What Does Crickets Mean?  
Britt in VA : 12/8/2017 5:28 pm : link
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It means nobody has an answer to your valid question.
Injuries happen to everyone  
Go Terps : 12/8/2017 6:59 pm : link
Instead of using them as an excuse the Giants would be better off looking at how they construct their roster and put together their gameplans. "Next man up" needs to be more than a throwaway slogan. Gameplans need to be adjustable on the fly, and backups need to be talented and prepared to play at all times.

An NFL season is not a freshly paved auotbahn. It's a bumpy dirt road. This team needs to be more Jeep than Ferrari.
RE: Injuries happen to everyone  
christian : 12/8/2017 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13730861 Go Terps said:
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Instead of using them as an excuse the Giants would be better off looking at how they construct their roster and put together their gameplans. "Next man up" needs to be more than a throwaway slogan. Gameplans need to be adjustable on the fly, and backups need to be talented and prepared to play at all times.

An NFL season is not a freshly paved auotbahn. It's a bumpy dirt road. This team needs to be more Jeep than Ferrari.


Exactly. The trenches need to be filled with reliable snap eating players, and depth that has produced.

I've always felt starting is for the young vets and depth is for the older.
Thanks Britt  
Samiam : 12/8/2017 8:23 pm : link
Getting old
RE: RE: What Does Crickets Mean?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13730797 Britt in VA said:
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It means nobody has an answer to your valid question.

I sent you the link to join the Jags' e-newsletter a while back. Nothing is stopping you from rooting for Coach Nightingale instead.
I agree that our record plays a factor here  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/8/2017 8:57 pm : link
to a certain degree. But leading the league in injuries, or even coming close to leading the league in injuries 3 out of 4 seasons, isn't normal. I'm not going to pretend to know what they are doing wrong here; but it's cleat to me that they're not doing something right. It just can't be dumb luck at this point.
cleat = clear  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/8/2017 8:57 pm : link
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When it takes  
old man : 12/9/2017 2:36 am : link
5 guys to try to tackle a RB, then the RB gets pushed fro behind for additional yardage makes 10 player pileup, the guys going backwards are more likely to get hurt when everybody falls.
When a defender misplays or overruns the ball carrier and reachs out arms length to grab him, a good shot at a torn pec.
When 2 OL get pushed back toward the QB and they end up tripping each other with tangled legs/ankles, somebody gets hurt.
Inherently weak players, players with poor technique , players beaten by their opponents often have to compensate by overextending themselves....pulled muscles, hammys, ending up in awkward position.
Stuff happens. Bad stuff often happens to bad players.
RE: When it takes  
bigfish703 : 12/10/2017 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13731227 old man said:
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5 guys to try to tackle a RB, then the RB gets pushed fro behind for additional yardage makes 10 player pileup, the guys going backwards are more likely to get hurt when everybody falls.
When a defender misplays or overruns the ball carrier and reachs out arms length to grab him, a good shot at a torn pec.
When 2 OL get pushed back toward the QB and they end up tripping each other with tangled legs/ankles, somebody gets hurt.
Inherently weak players, players with poor technique , players beaten by their opponents often have to compensate by overextending themselves....pulled muscles, hammys, ending up in awkward position.
Stuff happens. Bad stuff often happens to bad players.



The kind of injuries you cite happen to every team. That does not explain why the Giants are likely to lead the NFL in injuries in 3 out of the the last 4 years.

This is a more important problem than who the next Head Coach will be. No NFL team can win when half of the roster it started with in the beginning of the season is no longer playing. Facts are facts.
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