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Thegratefulhead : 12/8/2017 12:42 pm
I have watched this kid. Accurate and athletic. I think he is the best of the QBs.
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I agree!  
JFIB : 12/8/2017 12:46 pm : link
Unfortunately, if we don't trade up I fear he will be gone by the time we pick.
If we win even one game more this season  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 12/8/2017 12:49 pm : link
It might really screw the new GM in getting the QB they want.
I am scared  
Thegratefulhead : 12/8/2017 12:52 pm : link
That we are going be "safe" I think this kid has that chip on his shoulder, the thing that makes Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Bret Favre, Aaron Rodgers great. Those guys don't just want to beat you, they want to cut your throat and piss on your corpse. Mayfield has that, you can tell, that SOB fucking hates to lose.
I like the arm on this kid.  
Dodge : 12/8/2017 12:57 pm : link
Someone linked a mock draft and had the Jets taking him at 11.
oh wait  
Dodge : 12/8/2017 12:58 pm : link
It was Colin@gbn
Big 12 defenses were non-existent again  
JonC : 12/8/2017 1:03 pm : link
I don't think think he's a top 5 pick.
I don't think the Giants will . . . .  
TC : 12/8/2017 1:03 pm : link
and maybe shouldn't draft him, but unless the Giants trade down (Very possibly a good idea.) I don't think he'll go where the Giants draft. I think there'll be enough concern about his size and how his excellent college athleticism will translate to the NFL to drive him down.

But, yes, he's easily the most exciting QB prospect in this draft!
Don't care where we draft  
Thegratefulhead : 12/8/2017 1:04 pm : link
If this kid is available I leave the phone off the hook and run over old people and children sprinting to the podium. Any doubters, just go watch him. I dunno, I have watched Darnold and Rosen and think they will be very good but Mayfield seems to have that fire.
RE: Big 12 defenses were non-existent again  
TC : 12/8/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13730361 JonC said:
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I don't think think he's a top 5 pick.

I'd agree except that he did it against Ohio State too. This kid MAY be lighting in a bottle!
Undersized, cocky & lacks self awareness..  
Sean : 12/8/2017 1:06 pm : link
Remote throwing pick.
RE: Big 12 defenses were non-existent again  
Thegratefulhead : 12/8/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13730361 JonC said:
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I don't think think he's a top 5 pick.


Don't care. Do yourself a favor and go watch. Watch him hit players in stride way downfield. Watch his big games. Watch him vs Mahomes last year. I see him play QB and I say yes, I want to watch him play for the next ten years, sign me up.
RE: Undersized, cocky & lacks self awareness..  
bw in dc : 12/8/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13730371 Sean said:
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Remote throwing pick.


Yes, yes, and yes.

And yes on throwing the remote.

RE: RE: Big 12 defenses were non-existent again  
JonC : 12/8/2017 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13730376 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 13730361 JonC said:


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I don't think think he's a top 5 pick.



Don't care. Do yourself a favor and go watch. Watch him hit players in stride way downfield. Watch his big games. Watch him vs Mahomes last year. I see him play QB and I say yes, I want to watch him play for the next ten years, sign me up.


Who the fuck are you? I've watched him plenty. Third best QB in the draft if he's lucky. And he's a jerkoff.
I like the way  
Pete in MD : 12/8/2017 1:20 pm : link
he plays but not sure it will translate to the NFL. He's either the next Russell Wilson or the next Johnny Manziel.
This is our guy  
Thegratefulhead : 12/8/2017 1:21 pm : link
He opens up the red zone, he can really spin it, is accurate. I want him and Love or Scarbrough. The difference between us and Seattle is Wilson's mobility. Similar teams otherwise.
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Thegratefulhead : 12/8/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13730382 JonC said:
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In comment 13730376 Thegratefulhead said:


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In comment 13730361 JonC said:


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I don't think think he's a top 5 pick.



Don't care. Do yourself a favor and go watch. Watch him hit players in stride way downfield. Watch his big games. Watch him vs Mahomes last year. I see him play QB and I say yes, I want to watch him play for the next ten years, sign me up.



Who the fuck are you? I've watched him plenty. Third best QB in the draft if he's lucky. And he's a jerkoff.
I am just me, an asshole on the internet, just like you. :)
What he does  
Peppers : 12/8/2017 1:27 pm : link
In the playoff game and potentially in the NC will go a long way in determining his draft position IMO. I like Mayfield. Only knock is his attitude. There's a fine line in being a fiery leader or a shithead.
RE: What he does  
Thegratefulhead : 12/8/2017 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13730406 Peppers said:
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In the playoff game and potentially in the NC will go a long way in determining his draft position IMO. I like Mayfield. Only knock is his attitude. There's a fine line in being a fiery leader or a shithead.


Good point, his teammates seem to love him. I think he is on the right side of that line. A QB that could make some time with his feat, has an accurate could do serious fucking damage with OBJ/Shepard/Engram...give us a good back too, Holy shit fuck balls.
RE: This is our guy  
Tom from LI : 12/8/2017 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13730397 Thegratefulhead said:
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He opens up the red zone, he can really spin it, is accurate. I want him and Love or Scarbrough. The difference between us and Seattle is Wilson's mobility. Similar teams otherwise. Link - ( New Window )


Forget him.. who is #11 on the Sooners? We should draft him. That guy makes Mayfield look good.
the size and the defense-less Big 12 give me pause  
LG in NYC : 12/8/2017 1:32 pm : link
but otherwise this is exactly the kind of QB I want. Fiery, playmaker, mobile, has that Tom Brady trait where he absolutely hates to lose.


The boozing and stupidity with the cops is . . . .  
TC : 12/8/2017 1:37 pm : link
no small matter either, particularly in the NYC media market. Might not mean much for the average kid his age, but a kid you're going to bet your franchise on is a different matter. The NY sports press can wreck a team.
Mayfield  
brunswick : 12/8/2017 1:42 pm : link
Plays well against Georgia they will start talking about him being a top 3 pick
I'll admit I haven't seen a ton of his games,  
Section331 : 12/8/2017 1:45 pm : link
I think I've extensively watched 3 this year, but I have my concerns. He gets jittery with guys at his feet, and I have yet to see him make hard throws outside the numbers. A lot of that is due to the offense he plays, which prioritizes making plays in the middle of the field, but I'd need to see that he has the requisite arm strength.

I'm not that concerned about his height, or his off the field hijinks. They need to be vetted, but let's not forget that these are college kids. I did far stupider shit in college.
height  
giantfan2000 : 12/8/2017 2:02 pm : link
6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"


RE: height  
TC : 12/8/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13730461 giantfan2000 said:
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6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"



3rd possibly, Drew Brees is 6'0". Some think Mayfield will only measure in at 5'11".

But I don't think his height is that much of an issue, IF he can play his game in the NFL. His game is all about movement, if he can do it in the NFL he could be great, if not, he could be less than ordinary.
well  
santacruzom : 12/8/2017 2:10 pm : link
Drew Brees is six feet tall. Aaron Rodgers is only an inch taller than Mayfield. And there have been plenty of terrible QB's who are 6'4 or taller.

I get that ideally you'd like a taller QB, and that a lack of height makes it more difficult to transcend other shortcomings. But we've definitely seen that having other skills and abilities can sure transcend a lack of height.
I Honestly don't know what to think of Mayfield as a pro  
Rjanyg : 12/8/2017 2:15 pm : link
He is very exciting to watch, a little arrogant though.

The height thing doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact the defenses in the Big 12 weren't anything close to top college defenses.

I do think he will succeed in the NFL I just don't see him as worth a top 5 pick.

RE: I agree!  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/8/2017 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13730331 JFIB said:
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Unfortunately, if we don't trade up I fear he will be gone by the time we pick.

So he's going 1st overall?
RE: well  
Sean : 12/8/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13730472 santacruzom said:
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Drew Brees is six feet tall. Aaron Rodgers is only an inch taller than Mayfield. And there have been plenty of terrible QB's who are 6'4 or taller.

I get that ideally you'd like a taller QB, and that a lack of height makes it more difficult to transcend other shortcomings. But we've definitely seen that having other skills and abilities can sure transcend a lack of height.


How about the fact that he’s a fucking moron with no self awareness? If you are undersized you better make up for it in all other areas and he doesn’t.
Kid has a history of making stupid decision off the field  
larryflower37 : 12/8/2017 3:03 pm : link
I would not touch him.
Here is why
Texas Tech issue with the coaches
Arrest of drunk and disorderly
Rude gestures on the sideline
Throwing at an opposing players head in warm-ups
6'1"
In a conference with bad defense(could prove more in playoffs)


How does Mayfield stack up to Jackson?  
mrvax : 12/8/2017 3:14 pm : link
Jackson is a guy who looks exciting to me. I know he's got stuff to work on to make it in the NFL.

Anyone wish to compare the 2?
I like a QB to show some arrogance. Agree with the comment  
Jimmy Googs : 12/8/2017 3:17 pm : link
above that the UGA game will determine Mayfield's draft spot.

Give me Rosen all day long though. He is the 2018 poster-child for Day 1 starter which we will need...
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old man : 12/8/2017 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13730492 Sean said:
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In comment 13730472 santacruzom said:


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Drew Brees is six feet tall. Aaron Rodgers is only an inch taller than Mayfield. And there have been plenty of terrible QB's who are 6'4 or taller.

I get that ideally you'd like a taller QB, and that a lack of height makes it more difficult to transcend other shortcomings. But we've definitely seen that having other skills and abilities can sure transcend a lack of height.



How about the fact that he’s a fucking moron with no self awareness? If you are undersized you better make up for it in all other areas and he doesn’t.


WELL. The good news is, for weeks, we've been in either the pro- camp or the anti- camp on him, with almost ZERO middle-ground replies.
I am in the pro- camp, but I certainly understand all the comments from those who are not.
I'm sure 14 years ago the sentiment also split on Peyton's little brother.
Future games and Combine workouts aside, the Wonderlic and interviews will be the decision maker to see if the Giants consider him the 1-3 QB on the board.
But the fun will be our continuing polarized comments on him.
Take a lifeloong..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/8/2017 3:25 pm : link
Texas native with a history of making bad decisions and putting him in NYC seems perfectly fine.

Nothing can go wrong there.
I would rather have Lamar Jackson  
larryflower37 : 12/8/2017 3:25 pm : link
if we are looking for a mobile game changing QB.
RE: Kid has a history of making stupid decision off the field  
Josh in the City : 12/8/2017 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13730571 larryflower37 said:
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I would not touch him.
Here is why
Texas Tech issue with the coaches
Arrest of drunk and disorderly
Rude gestures on the sideline
Throwing at an opposing players head in warm-ups
6'1"
In a conference with bad defense(could prove more in playoffs)



You man a 20 year old wasn’t perfect in college? Shocking! Simple fact is this kid is a proven winner and his teammates absolutely love him. He’s the definitive leader of that team, can make all the throws and make plays with his legs. He will be a star in the nfl but some fans and execs will overthink this just bc he’s two inches too short. If you want to build a winning team, mayfield is the best bet in this draft.
RE: height  
Sy'56 : 12/8/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13730461 giantfan2000 said:
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6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"



Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them
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Sean : 12/8/2017 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13730614 Sy'56 said:
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6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"





Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them


Did they have a huge lack of self awareness in college coupled with being undersized?
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larryflower37 : 12/8/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13730614 Sy'56 said:
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6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league


Russell Wilson is 5'11"





Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them


SY does the off field stuff cause you concern?
RE: RE: Kid has a history of making stupid decision off the field  
larryflower37 : 12/8/2017 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13730610 Josh in the City said:
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In comment 13730571 larryflower37 said:


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I would not touch him.
Here is why
Texas Tech issue with the coaches
Arrest of drunk and disorderly
Rude gestures on the sideline
Throwing at an opposing players head in warm-ups
6'1"
In a conference with bad defense(could prove more in playoffs)





You man a 20 year old wasn’t perfect in college? Shocking! Simple fact is this kid is a proven winner and his teammates absolutely love him. He’s the definitive leader of that team, can make all the throws and make plays with his legs. He will be a star in the nfl but some fans and execs will overthink this just bc he’s two inches too short. If you want to build a winning team, mayfield is the best bet in this draft.


This stuff is very rarely left in college and usually carries over to his professional life.
IMO I think he is a major bust and will be over drafted.
Should be fun to see how it plays out.(hopefully in Denver)
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Sy'56 : 12/8/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13730618 Sean said:
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In comment 13730614 Sy'56 said:


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In comment 13730461 giantfan2000 said:


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6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"





Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them



Did they have a huge lack of self awareness in college coupled with being undersized?


I don't know. Do you?
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Sy'56 : 12/8/2017 3:46 pm : link
In comment 13730620 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 13730614 Sy'56 said:


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In comment 13730461 giantfan2000 said:


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6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league


Russell Wilson is 5'11"





Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them



SY does the off field stuff cause you concern?


Yes, it does. Enough to say he isn't worth a top 5 pick? Not ready to say that yet.
He has it  
Thegratefulhead : 12/8/2017 3:47 pm : link
I have seen him throw with people in his face and at his feet. He is fearless, this is why his teammates love him. He can hit people running at full speed, either down the field or across the field perfectly in stride. Deadly accurate, he can really spin it. I like the Russel Wilson & Steve Young comparisons. He even has touch.
He couldn't even outrun  
Modus Operandi : 12/8/2017 3:54 pm : link
Three Midwestern cops with a 10 yard lead and then went down like a La Liga soccer player.

Hard pass on this kid.
This is all a moot point  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2017 3:54 pm : link
absolutely zero chance a first time GM (and Mara for that matter) risk their very first pick on this guy. No chance.
And even if it is someone like  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2017 3:56 pm : link
Gettleman who isn't a first time GM, no way he risks his chance to bring the Giants back to championship caliber on a kid who was grabbing his nuts and taunting KANSAS during a game. Fucking Kansas.
RE: This is all a moot point  
AnishPatel : 12/8/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13730663 ryanmkeane said:
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absolutely zero chance a first time GM (and Mara for that matter) risk their very first pick on this guy. No chance.


Well that may be true but it depends on what Ross and our scouts will say. If we were to make a change, we wouldn't make it until after the draft. So the new GM will depend on Ross and the compiled scouting reports given to him by the regional scouts.
Anish  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2017 4:02 pm : link
understood, but again, nobody in their right mind who was just hired as a GM by a franchise that badly needs a turnaround in both talent and attitude, is going to take this guy. Let alone the Giants, who with a pick this high, must be signed off on by Mara. No way John Mara would ever take this kid. Especially with Beckham here and everything they've had to deal with regarding his outbursts and taunting shit.
I could  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2017 4:03 pm : link
see a team like Arizona taking this kid. Perfect place for him to be - not a ton of media scrutiny and I'm sure Arians would like him.
RE: Anish  
Thegratefulhead : 12/8/2017 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13730680 ryanmkeane said:
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understood, but again, nobody in their right mind who was just hired as a GM by a franchise that badly needs a turnaround in both talent and attitude, is going to take this guy. Let alone the Giants, who with a pick this high, must be signed off on by Mara. No way John Mara would ever take this kid. Especially with Beckham here and everything they've had to deal with regarding his outbursts and taunting shit.
I can see that, as long as "in your might mind" means passing on kid that will lead the league in passing and win championships. Take Rosen and draft the next Ryan, Stafford or Rivers...Very good but missing "it" I see Mayfield with Rodgers, Brees, Wilson and Young...We see it different. I would be happy with Darnold but isn't as ready as Mayfield. I see Mayfield playing like Wilson did as a rokkie with these offensive weapons....OK Flowers, let speed rusher beat you outside and I will run through that hole for 15 or 20 yards and slide/run out of bounds. We can do it until he learns.
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