That we are going be "safe" I think this kid has that chip on his shoulder, the thing that makes Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Bret Favre, Aaron Rodgers great. Those guys don't just want to beat you, they want to cut your throat and piss on your corpse. Mayfield has that, you can tell, that SOB fucking hates to lose.
and maybe shouldn't draft him, but unless the Giants trade down (Very possibly a good idea.) I don't think he'll go where the Giants draft. I think there'll be enough concern about his size and how his excellent college athleticism will translate to the NFL to drive him down.
But, yes, he's easily the most exciting QB prospect in this draft!
If this kid is available I leave the phone off the hook and run over old people and children sprinting to the podium. Any doubters, just go watch him. I dunno, I have watched Darnold and Rosen and think they will be very good but Mayfield seems to have that fire.
Don't care. Do yourself a favor and go watch. Watch him hit players in stride way downfield. Watch his big games. Watch him vs Mahomes last year. I see him play QB and I say yes, I want to watch him play for the next ten years, sign me up.
Don't care. Do yourself a favor and go watch. Watch him hit players in stride way downfield. Watch his big games. Watch him vs Mahomes last year. I see him play QB and I say yes, I want to watch him play for the next ten years, sign me up.
Who the fuck are you? I've watched him plenty. Third best QB in the draft if he's lucky. And he's a jerkoff.
He opens up the red zone, he can really spin it, is accurate. I want him and Love or Scarbrough. The difference between us and Seattle is Wilson's mobility. Similar teams otherwise. Link - ( New Window )
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Don't care. Do yourself a favor and go watch. Watch him hit players in stride way downfield. Watch his big games. Watch him vs Mahomes last year. I see him play QB and I say yes, I want to watch him play for the next ten years, sign me up.
Who the fuck are you? I've watched him plenty. Third best QB in the draft if he's lucky. And he's a jerkoff.
I am just me, an asshole on the internet, just like you. :)
In the playoff game and potentially in the NC will go a long way in determining his draft position IMO. I like Mayfield. Only knock is his attitude. There's a fine line in being a fiery leader or a shithead.
In the playoff game and potentially in the NC will go a long way in determining his draft position IMO. I like Mayfield. Only knock is his attitude. There's a fine line in being a fiery leader or a shithead.
Good point, his teammates seem to love him. I think he is on the right side of that line. A QB that could make some time with his feat, has an accurate could do serious fucking damage with OBJ/Shepard/Engram...give us a good back too, Holy shit fuck balls.
He opens up the red zone, he can really spin it, is accurate. I want him and Love or Scarbrough. The difference between us and Seattle is Wilson's mobility. Similar teams otherwise. Link - ( New Window )
Forget him.. who is #11 on the Sooners? We should draft him. That guy makes Mayfield look good.
the size and the defense-less Big 12 give me pause Â
no small matter either, particularly in the NYC media market. Might not mean much for the average kid his age, but a kid you're going to bet your franchise on is a different matter. The NY sports press can wreck a team.
I think I've extensively watched 3 this year, but I have my concerns. He gets jittery with guys at his feet, and I have yet to see him make hard throws outside the numbers. A lot of that is due to the offense he plays, which prioritizes making plays in the middle of the field, but I'd need to see that he has the requisite arm strength.
I'm not that concerned about his height, or his off the field hijinks. They need to be vetted, but let's not forget that these are college kids. I did far stupider shit in college.
6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"
3rd possibly, Drew Brees is 6'0". Some think Mayfield will only measure in at 5'11".
But I don't think his height is that much of an issue, IF he can play his game in the NFL. His game is all about movement, if he can do it in the NFL he could be great, if not, he could be less than ordinary.
Drew Brees is six feet tall. Aaron Rodgers is only an inch taller than Mayfield. And there have been plenty of terrible QB's who are 6'4 or taller.
I get that ideally you'd like a taller QB, and that a lack of height makes it more difficult to transcend other shortcomings. But we've definitely seen that having other skills and abilities can sure transcend a lack of height.
I Honestly don't know what to think of Mayfield as a pro Â
Drew Brees is six feet tall. Aaron Rodgers is only an inch taller than Mayfield. And there have been plenty of terrible QB's who are 6'4 or taller.
I get that ideally you'd like a taller QB, and that a lack of height makes it more difficult to transcend other shortcomings. But we've definitely seen that having other skills and abilities can sure transcend a lack of height.
How about the fact that he’s a fucking moron with no self awareness? If you are undersized you better make up for it in all other areas and he doesn’t.
Kid has a history of making stupid decision off the field Â
I would not touch him.
Here is why
Texas Tech issue with the coaches
Arrest of drunk and disorderly
Rude gestures on the sideline
Throwing at an opposing players head in warm-ups
6'1"
In a conference with bad defense(could prove more in playoffs)
Drew Brees is six feet tall. Aaron Rodgers is only an inch taller than Mayfield. And there have been plenty of terrible QB's who are 6'4 or taller.
I get that ideally you'd like a taller QB, and that a lack of height makes it more difficult to transcend other shortcomings. But we've definitely seen that having other skills and abilities can sure transcend a lack of height.
How about the fact that he’s a fucking moron with no self awareness? If you are undersized you better make up for it in all other areas and he doesn’t.
WELL. The good news is, for weeks, we've been in either the pro- camp or the anti- camp on him, with almost ZERO middle-ground replies.
I am in the pro- camp, but I certainly understand all the comments from those who are not.
I'm sure 14 years ago the sentiment also split on Peyton's little brother.
Future games and Combine workouts aside, the Wonderlic and interviews will be the decision maker to see if the Giants consider him the 1-3 QB on the board.
But the fun will be our continuing polarized comments on him.
I would not touch him.
Here is why
Texas Tech issue with the coaches
Arrest of drunk and disorderly
Rude gestures on the sideline
Throwing at an opposing players head in warm-ups
6'1"
In a conference with bad defense(could prove more in playoffs)
You man a 20 year old wasn’t perfect in college? Shocking! Simple fact is this kid is a proven winner and his teammates absolutely love him. He’s the definitive leader of that team, can make all the throws and make plays with his legs. He will be a star in the nfl but some fans and execs will overthink this just bc he’s two inches too short. If you want to build a winning team, mayfield is the best bet in this draft.
I would not touch him.
Here is why
Texas Tech issue with the coaches
Arrest of drunk and disorderly
Rude gestures on the sideline
Throwing at an opposing players head in warm-ups
6'1"
In a conference with bad defense(could prove more in playoffs)
You man a 20 year old wasn’t perfect in college? Shocking! Simple fact is this kid is a proven winner and his teammates absolutely love him. He’s the definitive leader of that team, can make all the throws and make plays with his legs. He will be a star in the nfl but some fans and execs will overthink this just bc he’s two inches too short. If you want to build a winning team, mayfield is the best bet in this draft.
This stuff is very rarely left in college and usually carries over to his professional life.
IMO I think he is a major bust and will be over drafted.
Should be fun to see how it plays out.(hopefully in Denver)
I have seen him throw with people in his face and at his feet. He is fearless, this is why his teammates love him. He can hit people running at full speed, either down the field or across the field perfectly in stride. Deadly accurate, he can really spin it. I like the Russel Wilson & Steve Young comparisons. He even has touch.
Gettleman who isn't a first time GM, no way he risks his chance to bring the Giants back to championship caliber on a kid who was grabbing his nuts and taunting KANSAS during a game. Fucking Kansas.
absolutely zero chance a first time GM (and Mara for that matter) risk their very first pick on this guy. No chance.
Well that may be true but it depends on what Ross and our scouts will say. If we were to make a change, we wouldn't make it until after the draft. So the new GM will depend on Ross and the compiled scouting reports given to him by the regional scouts.
understood, but again, nobody in their right mind who was just hired as a GM by a franchise that badly needs a turnaround in both talent and attitude, is going to take this guy. Let alone the Giants, who with a pick this high, must be signed off on by Mara. No way John Mara would ever take this kid. Especially with Beckham here and everything they've had to deal with regarding his outbursts and taunting shit.
understood, but again, nobody in their right mind who was just hired as a GM by a franchise that badly needs a turnaround in both talent and attitude, is going to take this guy. Let alone the Giants, who with a pick this high, must be signed off on by Mara. No way John Mara would ever take this kid. Especially with Beckham here and everything they've had to deal with regarding his outbursts and taunting shit.
I can see that, as long as "in your might mind" means passing on kid that will lead the league in passing and win championships. Take Rosen and draft the next Ryan, Stafford or Rivers...Very good but missing "it" I see Mayfield with Rodgers, Brees, Wilson and Young...We see it different. I would be happy with Darnold but isn't as ready as Mayfield. I see Mayfield playing like Wilson did as a rokkie with these offensive weapons....OK Flowers, let speed rusher beat you outside and I will run through that hole for 15 or 20 yards and slide/run out of bounds. We can do it until he learns.
But, yes, he's easily the most exciting QB prospect in this draft!
I'd agree except that he did it against Ohio State too. This kid MAY be lighting in a bottle!
Don't care. Do yourself a favor and go watch. Watch him hit players in stride way downfield. Watch his big games. Watch him vs Mahomes last year. I see him play QB and I say yes, I want to watch him play for the next ten years, sign me up.
Yes, yes, and yes.
And yes on throwing the remote.
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I don't think think he's a top 5 pick.
Don't care. Do yourself a favor and go watch. Watch him hit players in stride way downfield. Watch his big games. Watch him vs Mahomes last year. I see him play QB and I say yes, I want to watch him play for the next ten years, sign me up.
Who the fuck are you? I've watched him plenty. Third best QB in the draft if he's lucky. And he's a jerkoff.
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I don't think think he's a top 5 pick.
Don't care. Do yourself a favor and go watch. Watch him hit players in stride way downfield. Watch his big games. Watch him vs Mahomes last year. I see him play QB and I say yes, I want to watch him play for the next ten years, sign me up.
Who the fuck are you? I've watched him plenty. Third best QB in the draft if he's lucky. And he's a jerkoff.
Good point, his teammates seem to love him. I think he is on the right side of that line. A QB that could make some time with his feat, has an accurate could do serious fucking damage with OBJ/Shepard/Engram...give us a good back too, Holy shit fuck balls.
Forget him.. who is #11 on the Sooners? We should draft him. That guy makes Mayfield look good.
I'm not that concerned about his height, or his off the field hijinks. They need to be vetted, but let's not forget that these are college kids. I did far stupider shit in college.
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"
3rd possibly, Drew Brees is 6'0". Some think Mayfield will only measure in at 5'11".
But I don't think his height is that much of an issue, IF he can play his game in the NFL. His game is all about movement, if he can do it in the NFL he could be great, if not, he could be less than ordinary.
I get that ideally you'd like a taller QB, and that a lack of height makes it more difficult to transcend other shortcomings. But we've definitely seen that having other skills and abilities can sure transcend a lack of height.
The height thing doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact the defenses in the Big 12 weren't anything close to top college defenses.
I do think he will succeed in the NFL I just don't see him as worth a top 5 pick.
So he's going 1st overall?
I get that ideally you'd like a taller QB, and that a lack of height makes it more difficult to transcend other shortcomings. But we've definitely seen that having other skills and abilities can sure transcend a lack of height.
How about the fact that he’s a fucking moron with no self awareness? If you are undersized you better make up for it in all other areas and he doesn’t.
Here is why
Texas Tech issue with the coaches
Arrest of drunk and disorderly
Rude gestures on the sideline
Throwing at an opposing players head in warm-ups
6'1"
In a conference with bad defense(could prove more in playoffs)
Anyone wish to compare the 2?
Give me Rosen all day long though. He is the 2018 poster-child for Day 1 starter which we will need...
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Drew Brees is six feet tall. Aaron Rodgers is only an inch taller than Mayfield. And there have been plenty of terrible QB's who are 6'4 or taller.
I get that ideally you'd like a taller QB, and that a lack of height makes it more difficult to transcend other shortcomings. But we've definitely seen that having other skills and abilities can sure transcend a lack of height.
How about the fact that he’s a fucking moron with no self awareness? If you are undersized you better make up for it in all other areas and he doesn’t.
WELL. The good news is, for weeks, we've been in either the pro- camp or the anti- camp on him, with almost ZERO middle-ground replies.
I am in the pro- camp, but I certainly understand all the comments from those who are not.
I'm sure 14 years ago the sentiment also split on Peyton's little brother.
Future games and Combine workouts aside, the Wonderlic and interviews will be the decision maker to see if the Giants consider him the 1-3 QB on the board.
But the fun will be our continuing polarized comments on him.
Nothing can go wrong there.
Here is why
Texas Tech issue with the coaches
Arrest of drunk and disorderly
Rude gestures on the sideline
Throwing at an opposing players head in warm-ups
6'1"
In a conference with bad defense(could prove more in playoffs)
You man a 20 year old wasn’t perfect in college? Shocking! Simple fact is this kid is a proven winner and his teammates absolutely love him. He’s the definitive leader of that team, can make all the throws and make plays with his legs. He will be a star in the nfl but some fans and execs will overthink this just bc he’s two inches too short. If you want to build a winning team, mayfield is the best bet in this draft.
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"
Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them
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no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"
Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them
Did they have a huge lack of self awareness in college coupled with being undersized?
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6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"
Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them
SY does the off field stuff cause you concern?
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I would not touch him.
Here is why
Texas Tech issue with the coaches
Arrest of drunk and disorderly
Rude gestures on the sideline
Throwing at an opposing players head in warm-ups
6'1"
In a conference with bad defense(could prove more in playoffs)
You man a 20 year old wasn’t perfect in college? Shocking! Simple fact is this kid is a proven winner and his teammates absolutely love him. He’s the definitive leader of that team, can make all the throws and make plays with his legs. He will be a star in the nfl but some fans and execs will overthink this just bc he’s two inches too short. If you want to build a winning team, mayfield is the best bet in this draft.
This stuff is very rarely left in college and usually carries over to his professional life.
IMO I think he is a major bust and will be over drafted.
Should be fun to see how it plays out.(hopefully in Denver)
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6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"
Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them
Did they have a huge lack of self awareness in college coupled with being undersized?
I don't know. Do you?
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6 '1 "
no thanks
he would be second shortest QB in league
Russell Wilson is 5'11"
Wilson, Brees....Worked OK for them
SY does the off field stuff cause you concern?
Yes, it does. Enough to say he isn't worth a top 5 pick? Not ready to say that yet.
Hard pass on this kid.
Well that may be true but it depends on what Ross and our scouts will say. If we were to make a change, we wouldn't make it until after the draft. So the new GM will depend on Ross and the compiled scouting reports given to him by the regional scouts.