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NFT: MSG Selling Out Less-Why?

Rover : 12/8/2017 1:15 pm
I was stunned when looking at the box score of the Vegas-Rangers game on 10/31 to see they were about 1,000 short of a sellout.
MSG has pretty much been sold out for every Ranger game since 2011; and before then it was a blizzard in 2010 against Nashville that ended another previous streak.

I was even more surprised the Rangers game on 10/21 against Nashville, a Saturday afternoon, also was not a sell out.
My first though-what gives? Are Ranger fans this fickle that a really bad month of October is all it took to end the sell out streak? But then I thought, no, usually ticket sales are done well in advance, so if a team is coming off strong years as the Rangers have, they usually have a lag between poor play and poor attendance. Likewise, if a team has been bad for years, there also tends to be a lag before ticket sales jump.

Moreover, the Rangers and MSG have been known to be quite loyal. This extends beyond the Rangers, to the Knicks. Speaking of the Knicks, they have been a bit of a surprise this season, so I checked out their attendance. Sure enough, they have had several games with about 1,000 unsold seats, this in spite of the early season excitement.

This confirms to me, something is up with MSG. Rangers fans aren't that fickle, they are some of the most loyal in all of sports. Was there some kind of change in the price structure, that would explain why suddenly the Rangers AND Knicks are not selling out?

On TV, the stands look no emptier than before, and on Tiqiq, prices still are very high.

Is it a new marketing strategy like described below for the Knicks.

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The Knicks are showing they don’t have to sell out to win at the Garden.
In an odd quirk, the Knicks have sold out fewer than half their home games this season on their way to an 11-5 home mark. Only seven of 16 Garden games have seen a full capacity of 19,812.

The nine non-sellouts are only big news because the Knicks entered the season on a stirring run. Entering the season, despite all the losing, they had sold out 277 of 278 regular-season home games. The lone non-sellout in that spree came in March 2016 during a blizzard.
The toll of four straight non-playoff seasons and a new regime that talked up player development — a euphemism for tanking — probably is one factor in the non-sellouts.

Nevertheless, Garden officials said they also believe a new long-term marketing strategy in which more individual tickets were made available at the expense of full season-ticket plans is another cause.
In the long run, the Garden is confident the new strategy will pay off, giving the public more access to tickets. In return, the franchise was willing to take the short-term risk of not selling out.

Recently, the Garden limited the amount of season tickets for one purchaser to eight. The suspicion was purchasers hoarded season tickets to sell on the secondary market.
According to one Garden source, the larger amount of individual tickets available caters better to the growing number of European tourists who attend Knicks games.

“It’s becoming like the Yankees with all the tourists,” the Garden source said.
The notion a new plethora of individual tickets now are available may not have reached the masses for Knicks fans who think season-ticket packages are the only avenue, as has been the case in past years.

“Our new ticketing strategy has provided fans more options and availability to attend Knicks games throughout the season, and we’re seeing terrific individual ticket sales for every game,” Jordan Solomon, executive vice president of MSG Sports, said in a statement provided to The Post regarding the non-sellouts. “By reducing the number of full season subscriptions, we opened up more ind

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Perhaps it's fan choosing to use secondary market to sell  
JonC : 12/8/2017 1:17 pm : link
instead of going to games.
I think there's a larger trend  
81_Great_Dane : 12/8/2017 1:19 pm : link
away from some traditional forms of entertainment: movies, live sports, etc.

Personally, I think anxiety/uncertainty over real-world events are playing a part in that, but I could be wrong.
10/31 was Halloween.  
Racer : 12/8/2017 1:22 pm : link
The place took longer to fill up than usual on a weeknight. Trick or treat and parties probably played their role that night.
Personally  
gmen9892 : 12/8/2017 2:39 pm : link
Ive gone to about 2 Ranger games over the last 2 seasons. Mostly because I dont feel like paying 250+ bucks on one night between the ticket and drinks and transportation.
Why are you all indulging this weirdo?  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2017 2:41 pm : link
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sports teams have been consistently raising prices  
pierce58 : 12/8/2017 2:41 pm : link
for years and years. It is finally starting to show. Enough is enough. It shouldn't cost $150 to go to a football game. Or $100 to go to a hockey game.

At some point people will say enough is enough. Yankee Stadium was a stark example of this. Price out the average fans and sell your soul to corporate clients and don't be shocked that people aren't filling it up for your average non playoff games.
Rather stay at home and watch in HD  
Jints in Carolina : 12/8/2017 3:38 pm : link
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Going to games is a young persons night  
arniefez : 12/8/2017 4:06 pm : link
for the most part. All the sports leagues are losing the young single guys. We grew up going to games with our fathers and became legacy fans. Now it's too expensive, too much of a safety risk, a hassle and too boring for the kids to take them. I turn down free tickets now. The games are filled with drunks, the loud music is annoying and the TV timeouts are a joke. Before you called me a cranky old man, which is true, remember what I said to start going to games is a young mans night and the young men don't care anymore because they're fathers couldn't afford to take them and they never got hooked on the uniforms. Stadiums will get smaller and basically glorified TV studios over time.
8 years ago... (keep in mind i've had roughly the same seats)  
MetsAreBack : 12/8/2017 5:24 pm : link
my ticket price was $80 per seat

This year: $166 per seat

I actually think the Giants/Jets were smarter to get the one-time PSL from their fans.. we all complained and whined, but most paid it, and now its done with. The ongoing expense isnt that bad. Contrast that with what Dolan has done to pay for his renovations -- the slow bleed -- its pissing off every season ticket holder i know.

When we were a top flight team in the East, i made some modest regular season money and cleaned up in the playoffs.. but now.. I'm losing money in the regular season and would breakeven in the first few rounds of playoffs. I'm probably not going to renew next season.

And if tax reform kicks in with no business entertainment write-off expense opportunity.. the sports ticket market is going to plummet.

Doesnt help that both stubhub and ticketexchange charge 35-40%... thirty five to fourty!!... fucking percent... to sell your tickets in the secondary market. Meanwhile, stubhub guarantees its buyers the tickets (or comparable).. with the sellers credit card... and ticketexchange has the actual tickets in possession so there is ZERO fraud risk to either site. I wish i'd thought of it (a guy one year ahead of me at Penn in my friends fraternity founded Stubhub) --- but man do the fans take it up the ass with these vehicles.

Unfortunately while craigslist used to be a great place to go in the past to sell tickets... no one seems to use that anymore it seems and the only 'offers' i get for my seats are like 50% of what i'm asking in the ad, so its a waste of time.
What are you?  
djm : 12/8/2017 7:41 pm : link
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christian : 12/8/2017 8:19 pm : link
Kneeling for the anthem, duh.
$100+ to sit in garbage seats  
Knineteen : 12/8/2017 9:45 pm : link
or watch for free at home in HD with a clean toilet seat?
A lot of younger fans stream the game on phones  
Vanzetti : 12/8/2017 10:50 pm : link
or just follow on gamecast, checking in every once and a while and then doing something else.

Also, Manhattan is increasingly transplants from elsewhere, who did not grow up as Ranger fans or even hockey fans. A lot of young guys who might otherwise go are out in Brooklyn and don't want to make the trip.

And overall, just not as many people are willing to sit and watch a game for three hours.I think both home and stadium viewing is going to decline in all sports.
The economy is NOT what people think it is ...  
EricJ : 12/9/2017 7:25 am : link
yes the stock market is doing great. However, people have less disposable income now vs 15 years ago. In addition, many of the tickets at MSG were corporate owned. Now, many companies have made the choice not to renew entertainment/season tickets.

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that the ticket prices doubled over the past 10 years. My cousin had season tix for the Rangers and he gave them up for that very reason. Plus the cost to get to MSG increased.

I live 60 miles from Raleigh  
Gman11 : 12/9/2017 5:18 pm : link
One night I asked my wife if she wanted to go to a Hurricanes' game that Thursday. Tickets are really cheap. She said OK. She really isn't into hockey, but it was something different to do.

I found tickets for about $20 each on the ticket exchange. So, that's a great deal for a professional sport. Well, the game is at 7 so I would have to leave directly from work which means we'll eat supper at the stadium - probably $30-$35 just for a hot dog, fries and a drink. Parking will be another $10-$15. Then, of course, there's the ticketmaster fees. Game would get over around 9:30 - 10:00 and by the time we get to our car and fight the traffic getting our of the lot, then the drive home it'll be about 11:30 or so when we get home.

She said, never mind. Let's just go to a movie.
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