From Passan, thought it deserved its own thread. Will delete if disagreed.
Sources: Yankees making progress on a trade for Giancarlo Stanton. One source cautioned nothing done. Another was confident its moving toward that. Either way, momentum for Stanton to Yankees is significant.
@RiverAveBlues
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Hearing Jeter wants to include Home Run structure. Talks still fluid.
And cause more moves. Frazier, Gardy and Ellsbury all will be traded in other deals...
Wow..
Just wow...
If they get Stanton and stay under the tax... lol Wow.
Ca$hman for Us president 2020/2024!!!
Stupid rumor that Gleyber is part of this. Unconfirmed and no Merrit, but I sure hope there is zero chance of that happening.
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@hankschulman
Hear Stanton to Yankees is close if not done
Jon Heyman
Jon Heyman
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yanks giancarlo talks are very serious, and they've been going on seriously at least a few days. the belief it could/would get done with NYY may have led stanton not to consider the giants as seriously as he might have.
Would you say its like theyre shooting Fish in a barrel?
Lol love the Fish puns. Nailed it
Great to keep Gardner and have Stanton and Judge DH/rotate RF duties. As of now the lineup looks like
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley
Torres
Interesting to see the next hammer to drop with possible trade chips that include ellsbury, Headley, Betances, Frazier as well as other top prospects/international spending money. Off-season will not be as vanilla as Yankee fans thought!
...rather spend the money on a top flight starting pitcher.
...rather spend the money on a top flight starting pitcher.
From what I've been reading,if true,money isn't going to be spent for this season but rather an exchange of contracts i.e. Castro,Headley(both on last year)& a mid range prospect or two.When the dust clears, it seems it will almost be a wash money wise.The bigger question is do you want to take on a contract that takes Stanton to 38 years old?(We've gone that route with ARod) Certainly the lineup (although RHB heavy) this year would become a modern Murderer's Row.I have mixed emotions but certainly this would make the Yankees an offensive juggernaut while at the same time,increase the pressure on Boone to get 5 more wins in post-season this year!
Great to keep Gardner and have Stanton and Judge DH/rotate RF duties. As of now the lineup looks like
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley
Torres
Interesting to see the next hammer to drop with possible trade chips that include ellsbury, Headley, Betances, Frazier as well as other top prospects/international spending money. Off-season will not be as vanilla as Yankee fans thought!
I don't mind that lineup. But if it ends up being Castro and Headley, I really wish they would resign Frazier for 3rd. Let Toe be the backup infielder again. Frazier looked like he was a big part of last year after the trade. Seemed like he brought the team together and was a huge locker room presence.
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...rather spend the money on a top flight starting pitcher.
From what I've been reading,if true,money isn't going to be spent for this season but rather an exchange of contracts i.e. Castro,Headley(both on last year)& a mid range prospect or two.When the dust clears, it seems it will almost be a wash money wise.The bigger question is do you want to take on a contract that takes Stanton to 38 years old?(We've gone that route with ARod) Certainly the lineup (although RHB heavy) this year would become a modern Murderer's Row.I have mixed emotions but certainly this would make the Yankees an offensive juggernaut while at the same time,increase the pressure on Boone to get 5 more wins in post-season this year!
Thanks for insights/clarification.
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My source tells me that Giancarlo Stanton is heading to the Yankees. While still trying to work it out the Giants deal last night things happened very quickly between Jeter and the Yankees. Stanton flew to Tampa over night to meet with Yankees and will take his physical today.
Jon Heyman
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sources: yankees and marlins have a deal for giancarlo stanton
Cashman has had a weird start to the off-season .
Bryce Harper is a life long Yankees fan. He'd rather stay in DC than go to the Red Sox. It makes Harper to the Cubs, Cardinals or Giants a lot more likely because the Yanks won't be in on him
Dont like it even if its for Castro and Headley and NO prospects. Who cares if the salaries cancel this year, there are another 9 years!! Unless we are going back to the big bad Yankees mode, then this makes no sense at all.
Dont like it even if its for Castro and Headley and NO prospects. Who cares if the salaries cancel this year, there are another 9 years!! Unless we are going back to the big bad Yankees mode, then this makes no sense at all.
Good lord. Some people will complain about anything.
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bat, albeit the best all or nothing bat. I hope Cash isnt acting like a spurned little girl cause Ohtani went somewhere else.
Dont like it even if its for Castro and Headley and NO prospects. Who cares if the salaries cancel this year, there are another 9 years!! Unless we are going back to the big bad Yankees mode, then this makes no sense at all.
Good lord. Some people will complain about anything.
Lol. Some guy just called into WFAN to say he doesnt like the trade bc the Yankees will have a target on their backs now. As if they were going to otherwise be sneaking up on teams this season
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In comment 13731377 Jim in Hoboken said:
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bat, albeit the best all or nothing bat. I hope Cash isnt acting like a spurned little girl cause Ohtani went somewhere else.
Dont like it even if its for Castro and Headley and NO prospects. Who cares if the salaries cancel this year, there are another 9 years!! Unless we are going back to the big bad Yankees mode, then this makes no sense at all.
Good lord. Some people will complain about anything.
Lol. Some guy just called into WFAN to say he doesnt like the trade bc the Yankees will have a target on their backs now. As if they were going to otherwise be sneaking up on teams this season
Yeah man. Better watch out for those Royals now. Theyre going to be extra motivated when they play now. The White Sox are probably working on their game plan as we speak because of this...
What, you want to be like the fake ass Bullshit underdog assholes like the red Sox? Pfffft.
What, you want to be like the fake ass Bullshit underdog assholes like the red Sox? Pfffft.
Come on B. The guy hits too many HRs. Wouldnt you rather have a guy that bunts and crushes dribblers to SS?
We actually have a guy on this thread that said that he wouldnt deal Castro and Headley straight up for a top 10 player in the league. Just think about that
It's not a weak group, but can it get us through power lineups in the AL Finals and the World Series?
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They're bringing Sabathia back so they're going to have Severino, Gray, Tanaka, Sabathia and Montgomery again, with Adams and German waiting in the wings. I wouldn't call that a weak group, and that doesn't even include a pen of Chapman, Green, Warren, Robertson, Kahnle, and a hopefully back on track Betances.
It's not a weak group, but can it get us through power lineups in the AL Finals and the World Series?
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They're bringing Sabathia back so they're going to have Severino, Gray, Tanaka, Sabathia and Montgomery again, with Adams and German waiting in the wings. I wouldn't call that a weak group, and that doesn't even include a pen of Chapman, Green, Warren, Robertson, Kahnle, and a hopefully back on track Betances.
It's not a weak group, but can it get us through power lineups in the AL Finals and the World Series?
This isnt anywhere near a finished product. They have a loaded system. They could add a SP on a team friendly deal if they have to at some point.
This effectively takes us out of the Harper and Machado sweepstakes. We have a glut of OF already, we have other needs. And lets see who will be the ones complaining in 7-8 years. None of you were complaining about the back end of the A Rod deal? Cmon now.
And I think that we'd still be in on Machado next year if we are including Andujar in this deal.
This effectively takes us out of the Harper and Machado sweepstakes. We have a glut of OF already, we have other needs. And lets see who will be the ones complaining in 7-8 years. None of you were complaining about the back end of the A Rod deal? Cmon now.
So you complain about putting the best playatveach position and follow it up by complaining thatvthis takes them out of the Machado and Harper sweepstakes. Cant have it both ways.
Sounds like you should be a Mets fan. You know, small market team that has no interest in putting a championship caliber team on the field.
This effectively takes us out of the Harper and Machado sweepstakes. We have a glut of OF already, we have other needs. And lets see who will be the ones complaining in 7-8 years. None of you were complaining about the back end of the A Rod deal? Cmon now.
I don't know where you're getting your info from but adding Stanton's salary does not mean that they can't get under the tax threshold. It's a given that they will get below the threshold this season and reset the tax.
Also, Harper at 26 years old will be looking at a $400 million contract. The Yankees added Stanton for less than what he would have gotten if he was a free agent today. Harper to the Yankees is done but most writers still have the Yanks as the favorites for Machado. Personally, Id prefer we don't sign any of them.
This effectively takes us out of the Harper and Machado sweepstakes. We have a glut of OF already, we have other needs. And lets see who will be the ones complaining in 7-8 years. None of you were complaining about the back end of the A Rod deal? Cmon now.
By all account, Yanks remain fully committed to getting under the luxury tax this season - adding Stanton doesnt change that, assuming as expected theyre sending some salaries back to Miami
The penalty then resets to zero, so if they go over next year and beyond, they start back at a lower luxury tax penalty rate. I think thats been their plan all along
We have a 25M player as a 4th OF!!! Thats absurd, now hes going to be a pinch runner with Stanton on board? Having Stanton means that we will be limited financially when it comes to addressing other needs for the duration of his deal. And I dont mind acquiring bonafide superstars for cheap, but Stanton is so redundant. Stanton is exciting but can you guarantee me that hes going to hit playoff pitching? I tend to think he will be more like Judge in the playoffs.
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the Yanks have tossed the idea of being under the luxury tax out of the window, then this deal makes sense. Cause, you know, its not out money, lets just put the best player in each position like weve always done before. Brcause, fuck it, we are big bad Yankees.
This effectively takes us out of the Harper and Machado sweepstakes. We have a glut of OF already, we have other needs. And lets see who will be the ones complaining in 7-8 years. None of you were complaining about the back end of the A Rod deal? Cmon now.
By all account, Yanks remain fully committed to getting under the luxury tax this season - adding Stanton doesnt change that, assuming as expected theyre sending some salaries back to Miami
The penalty then resets to zero, so if they go over next year and beyond, they start back at a lower luxury tax penalty rate. I think thats been their plan all along
That's the plan. A-Rod and CC came off the books this year. They are also moving Castro's money off the books as well. Next year you have guys like Robertson ($13 million), Headley ($13 million), and Gardner ($12 million) coming of the books.
And when time comes for Judge and Sanchez to be paid, guys like Ellsbury and Tanaka will be coming of the books.
We have a 25M player as a 4th OF!!! Thats absurd, now hes going to be a pinch runner with Stanton on board? Having Stanton means that we will be limited financially when it comes to addressing other needs for the duration of his deal. And I dont mind acquiring bonafide superstars for cheap, but Stanton is so redundant. Stanton is exciting but can you guarantee me that hes going to hit playoff pitching? I tend to think he will be more like Judge in the playoffs.
Ellsbury would have been a 4th outfielder regardless of the Yankees getting Stanton. Getting Stanton does not tie us up from signing others because there are big contacts coming off the books every year for the next few years. We still have 4-5 years of Judge, Sanchez, Bird, and Severino before we have to pay them big contracts.
We have a 25M player as a 4th OF!!! Thats absurd, now hes going to be a pinch runner with Stanton on board? Having Stanton means that we will be limited financially when it comes to addressing other needs for the duration of his deal. And I dont mind acquiring bonafide superstars for cheap, but Stanton is so redundant. Stanton is exciting but can you guarantee me that hes going to hit playoff pitching? I tend to think he will be more like Judge in the playoffs.
Stanton vs. other top pitchers:
Bumgarner: 10-19 (.526), 2 HR, 5 2Bs
DeGrom: 9-22 (.409), 2 HR
Strasburg: 15-48 (.313), 3 HR, 8 2Bs
Gerrit Cole: 3-10, 1 HR
David Price: 3-10
Kershaw: 5-18 (.278), 2 HR
Hamels: 13-51 (.255), 3 HR
Scherzer: 4-18 (.222), 2 HR
He is 0-12 against Adam Wainwright and 0-11 against Syndergaard
That's not even in the neighborhood of losing financial flexibility.
Stanton is a top 3 player in his prime.
The only reason the Yankees are even in the conversation to grab this deal is because of the Marlins debt and the NTC.
This is superb luck and great work by Cashman to have the team in the financial position to make it happen.
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It's in the NFT Yankees thread.
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In comment 13731476 Jim in Hoboken said:
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the Yanks have tossed the idea of being under the luxury tax out of the window, then this deal makes sense. Cause, you know, its not out money, lets just put the best player in each position like weve always done before. Brcause, fuck it, we are big bad Yankees.
This effectively takes us out of the Harper and Machado sweepstakes. We have a glut of OF already, we have other needs. And lets see who will be the ones complaining in 7-8 years. None of you were complaining about the back end of the A Rod deal? Cmon now.
By all account, Yanks remain fully committed to getting under the luxury tax this season - adding Stanton doesnt change that, assuming as expected theyre sending some salaries back to Miami
The penalty then resets to zero, so if they go over next year and beyond, they start back at a lower luxury tax penalty rate. I think thats been their plan all along
That's the plan. A-Rod and CC came off the books this year. They are also moving Castro's money off the books as well. Next year you have guys like Robertson ($13 million), Headley ($13 million), and Gardner ($12 million) coming of the books.
And when time comes for Judge and Sanchez to be paid, guys like Ellsbury and Tanaka will be coming of the books.
In terms of getting under the tax threshold, those future year expiring contracts really don't matter at all. Future flexibility is nice, no question, but getting under the tax line this year is important.