Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? I’m pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to “go look at the stats” when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what he’s done. He’s an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we don’t have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. It’s good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
This is why people hate some Yankees fans. Always bitching about something coupled with a sense of entitlement.
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Health is a key concern for any player. You keep glossing over the fact that $25M per year will not have ANY effect on future dealings. None.
You’re just looking for a reason to be pissy, as usual. You actually had to go back and look at stats to learn about Stanton. You have a right to your opinion of course but you really shouldn’t be so loud about it. It’s obvious that you don’t know much about the player.
RE: Health is a key concern, but it's okay to dish out 10/300M guranteed Â
The only number that matters when it comes to salary is the number that counts against the tax cap. Stanton's annual salary against the cap is going to be $22 million. Which is a lot less then what Harper and Machado would have cost. This deal is a no brainer for the Yankees. I don't know why one Yankee fans are so hung up on being against it. It didn't cost us a single significant prospect. It doesn't hinder the Yankees plans of getting under the tax threshold. It makes the lineup significantly better.
Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
In 8 seasons, his career OPS is .914, which is 3rd best among active players under 30 after Trout and Goldschmidt.
We're all just fans here kicking around opinions, but it really seems like you're trying very hard to invent negatives about this deal. Yes, the last 2-3 years of the contract may be bad, but outside of that there's no downside here.
He’s also got the “out” option so it may only be a 3 years of prime Stanton with no long term commitment anyways. But Jim will continue to ignore that too.
And the injury history really is skewed by a couple of freak Â
Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? I’m pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to “go look at the stats” when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what he’s done. He’s an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we don’t have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. It’s good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
This is why people hate some Yankees fans. Always bitching about something coupled with a sense of entitlement.
Exactly. They get a top 5 player for Starlin Castro and this guy is worried about taking money out of Steinbrenner pocket. People just can never enjoy things. Let’s worry about what that contract will look like when we are all wearing depends and drooling on ourselves instead.
If the Marlins had offered Stanton plus $30 million Â
to the Yankees for Castro and 2 low A ball prospects, and Cashman had refused the trade, he should have been fired. This is a no brainer. This doesn't dent your farm. It doesn't change you plan of getting under the tax. It doesn't stop you from going out an signing more players next season.
contemplate this - Stanton will likely benefit by playing his home games at Yankee Stadium instead of Marlins Park. Plus, AL East away games at Fenway and Camden Yards.
“According to The Baseball Gauge’s park adjustments, Marlins Park was the third-most-difficult home run-hitting park for right-handed batters last season, which had the effect of depressing righty homers by about 20 percent relative to an average MLB ballpark. You read that right: Stanton smashed an MLB-leading 59 bombs — the most in baseball since 2001 — and took a serious run at Roger Maris’s pre-steroids HR record despite playing in one of the game’s most difficult parks for right-handed power hitters. ” Link - ( New Window )
Stanton plus whichever low-cost player plays 2B will cost the Yanks against the cap about what Castro and Holliday did last year.
This alone should put everyone's concerns to rest.
Nope. someone will figure out a way to complain. Joyless fucks.
Can't imagine not being excited about this gift. I would not be surprised if Cashman makes another move or two at the winter meetings, certainly not at this level.
We've already seen some wet turds on this thread Â
Sanchez missed a month of last season, Judge played through a banged up shoulder down the stretch, Bird's hardly played in two years - all the more reason to build a deep lineup.
"For the second straight offseason, the Yankees are set to acquire the reigning National League home run king. Something tells me Giancarlo Stanton will work out better than Chris Carter."
I agree. The move I would love to see, and before the Dec 14th rule 5 draft, is a trade for lefty reliever Brad Hand.
Hand is only 27 and only earned 1.375 mil last year and he is controlled thru 2019.
Hand is the best lefty reliever available, and its very likely the Padres will move him to the highest bidder for a package of prospects.
With the farm system loaded, here is an opportunity to create the best bullpen in baseball-by far. Lefty's would be Chapman and Hand, and righty's would be DRob, Kahnle, Betances, Green and probably Warren as the long man.
Hand last year pitched in the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, including over 20 saves.
A strong contender is very likely to get Hand in a trade next week, and the farm system is loaded enough right now that it could handle creating a package better than any other team would offer and would create some needed flexibility on the 40 man.
Shreve could certainly be part of a package and others that could be considered include Holder and Mitchell.
The trade for Stanton is already a huge plus, but putting together a prospect swap for a young player like Hand would lessen the need for the trade cost of getting another starter.
With a bullpen that strong, the return of CC and spring training battle of young starters would eliminate the need for getting another starter from outside
I would love to see Hand added to our pen. That would be a great addition. We need a strong lefty presence like past championship teams with Sparky, Lloyd, Mike Stanton, and Steve Howe. Great call.
Red Sox reconstruct Green Monster in lieu of Stanton trade
So...9 guys will be hitting doubles or hard singles in the first on a Sox pitcher having first inning troubles?
6+ in the first will be enough.. Oh wait! Farrell's gone.
May only be 4.
But has anyone else noticed how similar this trade is to the one where Cashman acquired Chapman from the Reds? As I recall, the Yankees got him for a relative bargain after an initial trade with another team fell through. Cashman basically did the same thing with this deal. Stanton rejected two trades with the Cards and Giants, and then suddenly there's the Yankees swooping in and acquiring him for another relative bargain. Cashman is a master trader. I'm really impressed.
I agree. The move I would love to see, and before the Dec 14th rule 5 draft, is a trade for lefty reliever Brad Hand.
Hand is only 27 and only earned 1.375 mil last year and he is controlled thru 2019.
Hand is the best lefty reliever available, and its very likely the Padres will move him to the highest bidder for a package of prospects.
With the farm system loaded, here is an opportunity to create the best bullpen in baseball-by far. Lefty's would be Chapman and Hand, and righty's would be DRob, Kahnle, Betances, Green and probably Warren as the long man.
Hand last year pitched in the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, including over 20 saves.
A strong contender is very likely to get Hand in a trade next week, and the farm system is loaded enough right now that it could handle creating a package better than any other team would offer and would create some needed flexibility on the 40 man.
Shreve could certainly be part of a package and others that could be considered include Holder and Mitchell.
The trade for Stanton is already a huge plus, but putting together a prospect swap for a young player like Hand would lessen the need for the trade cost of getting another starter.
With a bullpen that strong, the return of CC and spring training battle of young starters would eliminate the need for getting another starter from outside
Hand would be great but they were apparently looking for more than what the Yankees got for Champan and Miller when they dumped them. No thanks.
shouldn't be a problem after this. I saw some real in depth breakdowns that take into consideration all the other B.S. that goes into the final # (other than just adding up all the players cap #'s)...and even with all that the conservative # was 25 million they can add this off season. They just took on 22 but traded 10 the other way...so that is only a net of 12. So they can still bring back CC for ~10 and call it an off season. Other than some smaller moves.
To start the season. When Torres takes over 2B or 3B he might wind up hitting 2nd. The lineup with him in it is crazy if healthy.
Oh please bird is not the best hitter. Can he have an awesome season first? He had a good month last year and a good couple of months a few years prior. Bird is potentially a terrific player but let's see this guy hit for a full season first. Part of making it as a player is actually doing it. He hasn't yet. I do think bird and Sanchez are the toughest guys to pitch to when they are on, but bird's gotta do it long term first.
My only issue is I would hope they can convince Stanton to be okay DHing the overwhelming majority of his games in the interest of keeping him healthy and prolonging his productivity. Basically, would you rather be a 37 year-old Albert Pujols or a 37 year-old David Ortiz/Edgar Martinez?
The craziness of that contract post-2020 does make long-term planning more difficult.
Hard to create a lineup placing Didi/Bird in right spots Â
the way he did. That being said, I still don't think we'll see Bird and Didi back to back. I think it will be Judge in the 2 hole followed by Stanton, Bird, and Sanchez.
the way he did. That being said, I still don't think we'll see Bird and Didi back to back. I think it will be Judge in the 2 hole followed by Stanton, Bird, and Sanchez.
Haha it's so true.
I have a feeling they might try Judge at leadoff with Stanton 2 but that sounds wild.
Gardy was a phenomenal leadoff guy last year. But I wouldn't complain if he hits 9th and Judge 1st.
Your def right tho, I think the post Girardi era lineups will be much spicer perhaps
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He actually has a problem with his swing: it's too flat for a home run hitter. Check out the leaderboard in exit velocity in MLB in 2017. A whole bunch of the 117 MPH or higher shots were either Judge or Stanton--but a lot of Stanton's were very flat, and resulted in outs or singles, because of the flat launch angle. I would expect that as part of a Yankee "Murderer's Row," Stanton will let his launch angle move up a bit, and that he won't bite at much at high fastballs (which flatten your launch angle) with all of that protection, wherever he hits in the order.
I also believe strongly that Judge played nearly two months with an injured shoulder. And that Bird barely had time to get his world-class swing back in working order as the season wound down. The amount of homers from Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird, Didi et al should be ridiculous. Hitting begets hitting. Link - ( New Window )
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
I vote for this one.
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1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th are all more valuable spots in the order than 3rd. The #3 hitter comes up with 2 out and nobody on pretty frequently.
Yeah, so put Headley there...after the 1st turn thru the order, coming up with no one on base is equally spread through the order.
If Judge is 2nd, I want Sanchez behind him for protection.
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
That is the line up I think will start they year. Let Bird settle in for a while before he grabs 3 spot from Didi, who was excellemt last year. I also think we'll see Torreyes/Wade for a bit to start year before Torres is ready for 2B, where he has only played 10 games in minors at 2B amd only 53 total games above A ball.
While the HR are going to be great, I am interested in seeing how much of a difference the big boost in OBP between Stanton and (eventually) Torres will be over the nothingness that was the DH spot for the Yanks in 2017 and Castro (who just never walked).
Keep in mind that Stanton's CAREER OBP is .360. Just to put into perspective how big a difference the change makes, Castro's career OBP is .320. Torres' career LOW in OBP is .346- and it has gone up with each successive season until he put up an OBP of .383 last year.
I still am not a fan of typing up the DH position long term (at least for 3 years until his opt-out, or 10 years if he plays the contract out). I think that the flexibility there was a good thing.
I will agree however, that the trade cost the Yanks VERY little compared to value gained- and that trading Castro is addition by subtraction.
One of last year's bi problems (especially in the playoffs) was the inability of the lineup in general to get on base. For many batters, it was get a hit or get out- though Judge and Bird got their share of walks. Adding Stanton (and by the playoffs, Torres) should help diversify the lineup and make the offense as a while, tougher to get out.
1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
That is the line up I think will start they year. Let Bird settle in for a while before he grabs 3 spot from Didi, who was excellemt last year. I also think we'll see Torreyes/Wade for a bit to start year before Torres is ready for 2B, where he has only played 10 games in minors at 2B amd only 53 total games above A ball.
Remember that the Yanks no longer have Girardi at manager. Boone is more likely to adopt the analytics guys ideas.
I suspect that barring more trades, the lineup is more likely to be:
Gardner LF
Judge RF
Bird 1B
Stanton DH
Sanchez C
Gregorius SS
Hicks CF
Andujar 3B (Headley may get dealt)
Torres 2B (probably Wade or maybe Torreyes early in the season).
IMO, there is also a legitimate possibility that if Torres continues to post very high OBP numbers like he did in the minors that he could move up to #2 in the order and push everyone else down a slot accordingly.
I don't think there is any question that trading for Brad Hand will not be cheap. But look at how much the asking price and selling price changed on Stanton. And the Yankees are in a position to put together a better prospect package than virtually any other team. 11 of the Yankees top 15 prospects are pitchers, and 10 of them are right handed-something the Padres really need.
I am suggesting Hand, because I think the resigning of CC and a trade for Hand pretty much sets up the Yankees for 2018.
An incredibly strong bullpen would negate the need to trade for a starter like Cobb, which will be at a substantially higher price than the cost of Hand. I doubt any trade for a starting pitcher like Cobb would not have to include higher prospects like Frazier and possibly one of our two young starters- Chance Adams and Justus Sheffield.
Another advantage of a trade for Hand is that it makes the luxury tax numbers work a lot better if the Yankees can move Ellsbury with a trade that involves a salary subsidy. Hand will cost much much less than a starting pitcher.
And even though Chapman came around at the end of the season and playoffs, I like the idea of having another top flight lefty in the pen.
The one thing to consider is that although the Yankees have better chips to exchange in trade than other teams, some of those other teams are needy enough to put together a package the Yankees wouldn't be motivated enough to match.
I have nothing against Frazier, but I think the time to move him is now. I think his trade value is more likely to go down than up (he was already shown to be slipping in the 2017 mid-season prospects rankings).
And when you think about it, what are the alternatives for him if they don't trade him? Either he rides the pine or it's back to Triple-A or most likely some combination of the two with him filling in for injured players. I guess there are worse things that could happen to a guy, but he is ready to be an every day ballplayer in the bigs. If the Yankees can work out a fair trade with a team that's going to play him regularly, it's a win for everybody involved.
We eat most of Ellsbury's money to make it work. SD gets a closer and a serviceable OF. Get it done Cash.
It sounds like they're gonna be more interested in prospects than big-leaguers. Here's a blurb from November...
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The San Diego Padres aren’t trying to force a Brad Hand trade, but they’re certainly testing the waters. Considering how much it would take to acquire him, it makes sense that the Los Angeles Dodgers, St. Louis Cardinals, Houston Astros and the Milwaukee Brewers will be on top of the shortlist of teams the Padres can work something out with.
The Padres aren’t going to contend once again in 2018, so a healthy dose of young prospects for a team that’s in no rush to get anywhere makes sense. Hand is a terrific reliever that any team in the majors would want, especially as a lefty. He’s also not a rental, controllable through arbitration. His projected salary for next season is under $4 million, making him quite a catch.
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Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? I’m pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to “go look at the stats” when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what he’s done. He’s an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we don’t have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. It’s good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
This is why people hate some Yankees fans. Always bitching about something coupled with a sense of entitlement.
Health is a key concern for any player. You keep glossing over the fact that $25M per year will not have ANY effect on future dealings. None.
You’re just looking for a reason to be pissy, as usual. You actually had to go back and look at stats to learn about Stanton. You have a right to your opinion of course but you really shouldn’t be so loud about it. It’s obvious that you don’t know much about the player.
The only number that matters when it comes to salary is the number that counts against the tax cap. Stanton's annual salary against the cap is going to be $22 million. Which is a lot less then what Harper and Machado would have cost. This deal is a no brainer for the Yankees. I don't know why one Yankee fans are so hung up on being against it. It didn't cost us a single significant prospect. It doesn't hinder the Yankees plans of getting under the tax threshold. It makes the lineup significantly better.
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Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
In 8 seasons, his career OPS is .914, which is 3rd best among active players under 30 after Trout and Goldschmidt.
We're all just fans here kicking around opinions, but it really seems like you're trying very hard to invent negatives about this deal. Yes, the last 2-3 years of the contract may be bad, but outside of that there's no downside here.
He’s also got the “out” option so it may only be a 3 years of prime Stanton with no long term commitment anyways. But Jim will continue to ignore that too.
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Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? I’m pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to “go look at the stats” when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what he’s done. He’s an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we don’t have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. It’s good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
This is why people hate some Yankees fans. Always bitching about something coupled with a sense of entitlement.
Exactly. They get a top 5 player for Starlin Castro and this guy is worried about taking money out of Steinbrenner pocket. People just can never enjoy things. Let’s worry about what that contract will look like when we are all wearing depends and drooling on ourselves instead.
gardner
judge
bird
stanton
sanchez
didi
then any order of
hicks
headley
torres
i know we all want to see judge and stanton back to back but best bet option is to put bird in there
This alone should put everyone's concerns to rest.
“According to The Baseball Gauge’s park adjustments, Marlins Park was the third-most-difficult home run-hitting park for right-handed batters last season, which had the effect of depressing righty homers by about 20 percent relative to an average MLB ballpark. You read that right: Stanton smashed an MLB-leading 59 bombs — the most in baseball since 2001 — and took a serious run at Roger Maris’s pre-steroids HR record despite playing in one of the game’s most difficult parks for right-handed power hitters. ”
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Stanton plus whichever low-cost player plays 2B will cost the Yanks against the cap about what Castro and Holliday did last year.
This alone should put everyone's concerns to rest.
Nope. someone will figure out a way to complain. Joyless fucks.
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Stanton plus whichever low-cost player plays 2B will cost the Yanks against the cap about what Castro and Holliday did last year.
This alone should put everyone's concerns to rest.
Nope. someone will figure out a way to complain. Joyless fucks.
Can't imagine not being excited about this gift. I would not be surprised if Cashman makes another move or two at the winter meetings, certainly not at this level.
Hand is only 27 and only earned 1.375 mil last year and he is controlled thru 2019.
Hand is the best lefty reliever available, and its very likely the Padres will move him to the highest bidder for a package of prospects.
With the farm system loaded, here is an opportunity to create the best bullpen in baseball-by far. Lefty's would be Chapman and Hand, and righty's would be DRob, Kahnle, Betances, Green and probably Warren as the long man.
Hand last year pitched in the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, including over 20 saves.
A strong contender is very likely to get Hand in a trade next week, and the farm system is loaded enough right now that it could handle creating a package better than any other team would offer and would create some needed flexibility on the 40 man.
Shreve could certainly be part of a package and others that could be considered include Holder and Mitchell.
The trade for Stanton is already a huge plus, but putting together a prospect swap for a young player like Hand would lessen the need for the trade cost of getting another starter.
With a bullpen that strong, the return of CC and spring training battle of young starters would eliminate the need for getting another starter from outside
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So...9 guys will be hitting doubles or hard singles in the first on a Sox pitcher having first inning troubles?
6+ in the first will be enough.. Oh wait! Farrell's gone.
May only be 4.
He should ask 5M for it. If they dump him to get it offer out 2M, or file a grievance...he might as well get something for giving it up.
Its gotta be there now, no?
The more the Giants suck, the better the Yanks get.
'56-63 was so good for fans when both were winning.
Hand is only 27 and only earned 1.375 mil last year and he is controlled thru 2019.
Hand is the best lefty reliever available, and its very likely the Padres will move him to the highest bidder for a package of prospects.
With the farm system loaded, here is an opportunity to create the best bullpen in baseball-by far. Lefty's would be Chapman and Hand, and righty's would be DRob, Kahnle, Betances, Green and probably Warren as the long man.
Hand last year pitched in the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, including over 20 saves.
A strong contender is very likely to get Hand in a trade next week, and the farm system is loaded enough right now that it could handle creating a package better than any other team would offer and would create some needed flexibility on the 40 man.
Shreve could certainly be part of a package and others that could be considered include Holder and Mitchell.
The trade for Stanton is already a huge plus, but putting together a prospect swap for a young player like Hand would lessen the need for the trade cost of getting another starter.
With a bullpen that strong, the return of CC and spring training battle of young starters would eliminate the need for getting another starter from outside
Hand would be great but they were apparently looking for more than what the Yankees got for Champan and Miller when they dumped them. No thanks.
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to making NY a Yankees town again. Not quite there. They have a ways to go. This is a good step though.
Its gotta be there now, no?
The more the Giants suck, the better the Yanks get.
'56-63 was so good for fans when both were winning.
You are old. ;-)
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to making NY a Yankees town again. Not quite there. They have a ways to go. This is a good step though.
Its gotta be there now, no?
The more the Giants suck, the better the Yanks get.
'56-63 was so good for fans when both were winning.
You are old. ;-)
YOU'RE telling ME?!!!
I been old since I was young.
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley
2B
To start the season. When Torres takes over 2B or 3B he might wind up hitting 2nd. The lineup with him in it is crazy if healthy.
Oh please bird is not the best hitter. Can he have an awesome season first? He had a good month last year and a good couple of months a few years prior. Bird is potentially a terrific player but let's see this guy hit for a full season first. Part of making it as a player is actually doing it. He hasn't yet. I do think bird and Sanchez are the toughest guys to pitch to when they are on, but bird's gotta do it long term first.
The craziness of that contract post-2020 does make long-term planning more difficult.
LF: Gardy
DH: Stanton
RF: Judge
C: Sanchez
1B: Bird
SS: Didi
3B: Andujar
2B: Torres
CF: Hicks
YeH it's L/L Didi and Bird but it's tough to separate them both IMO.
Gardy
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley
Torreyes/Torres
I might even switch Sanchez and Stanton.
Not much speed in the Yankee lineup, but quite a lot of pop.
Haha it's so true.
I have a feeling they might try Judge at leadoff with Stanton 2 but that sounds wild.
Gardy was a phenomenal leadoff guy last year. But I wouldn't complain if he hits 9th and Judge 1st.
Your def right tho, I think the post Girardi era lineups will be much spicer perhaps
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Some have suggested:
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley/Andujar
Torreyes/Torres
Best hitter on team is Sanchez - should bat 3rd.
1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th are all more valuable spots in the order than 3rd. The #3 hitter comes up with 2 out and nobody on pretty frequently.
The #RedSox had 168 home runs in 2017.
Dellin Betances 6'8" 265 lb.
Aaron Judge: 6'7" 282 lb.
Giancarlo Stanton 6'6" 245 lb.
Gary Sanchez 6'2" 230 lb.
I also believe strongly that Judge played nearly two months with an injured shoulder. And that Bird barely had time to get his world-class swing back in working order as the season wound down. The amount of homers from Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Bird, Didi et al should be ridiculous. Hitting begets hitting.
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2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
I vote for this one.
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In comment 13731777 Del Shofner said:
Some have suggested:
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley/Andujar
Torreyes/Torres
Best hitter on team is Sanchez - should bat 3rd.
1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th are all more valuable spots in the order than 3rd. The #3 hitter comes up with 2 out and nobody on pretty frequently.
Yeah, so put Headley there...after the 1st turn thru the order, coming up with no one on base is equally spread through the order.
If Judge is 2nd, I want Sanchez behind him for protection.
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
That is the line up I think will start they year. Let Bird settle in for a while before he grabs 3 spot from Didi, who was excellemt last year. I also think we'll see Torreyes/Wade for a bit to start year before Torres is ready for 2B, where he has only played 10 games in minors at 2B amd only 53 total games above A ball.
Keep in mind that Stanton's CAREER OBP is .360. Just to put into perspective how big a difference the change makes, Castro's career OBP is .320. Torres' career LOW in OBP is .346- and it has gone up with each successive season until he put up an OBP of .383 last year.
I still am not a fan of typing up the DH position long term (at least for 3 years until his opt-out, or 10 years if he plays the contract out). I think that the flexibility there was a good thing.
I will agree however, that the trade cost the Yanks VERY little compared to value gained- and that trading Castro is addition by subtraction.
One of last year's bi problems (especially in the playoffs) was the inability of the lineup in general to get on base. For many batters, it was get a hit or get out- though Judge and Bird got their share of walks. Adding Stanton (and by the playoffs, Torres) should help diversify the lineup and make the offense as a while, tougher to get out.
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1. Gardner (LF)
2. Judge (RF)
3. Gregorius (SS)
4. Stanton (DH)
5. Sanchez (C)
6. Bird (1B)
7. Hicks (CF)
8. Headley (3B)
9. Torres (2B)
p.s.-- Bird and Gregorius can be flipped if Didi's #s slip and Bird is hitting for a higher BA/OBP/OPS.
That is the line up I think will start they year. Let Bird settle in for a while before he grabs 3 spot from Didi, who was excellemt last year. I also think we'll see Torreyes/Wade for a bit to start year before Torres is ready for 2B, where he has only played 10 games in minors at 2B amd only 53 total games above A ball.
Remember that the Yanks no longer have Girardi at manager. Boone is more likely to adopt the analytics guys ideas.
I suspect that barring more trades, the lineup is more likely to be:
Gardner LF
Judge RF
Bird 1B
Stanton DH
Sanchez C
Gregorius SS
Hicks CF
Andujar 3B (Headley may get dealt)
Torres 2B (probably Wade or maybe Torreyes early in the season).
IMO, there is also a legitimate possibility that if Torres continues to post very high OBP numbers like he did in the minors that he could move up to #2 in the order and push everyone else down a slot accordingly.
I am suggesting Hand, because I think the resigning of CC and a trade for Hand pretty much sets up the Yankees for 2018.
An incredibly strong bullpen would negate the need to trade for a starter like Cobb, which will be at a substantially higher price than the cost of Hand. I doubt any trade for a starting pitcher like Cobb would not have to include higher prospects like Frazier and possibly one of our two young starters- Chance Adams and Justus Sheffield.
Another advantage of a trade for Hand is that it makes the luxury tax numbers work a lot better if the Yankees can move Ellsbury with a trade that involves a salary subsidy. Hand will cost much much less than a starting pitcher.
And even though Chapman came around at the end of the season and playoffs, I like the idea of having another top flight lefty in the pen.
I have nothing against Frazier, but I think the time to move him is now. I think his trade value is more likely to go down than up (he was already shown to be slipping in the 2017 mid-season prospects rankings).
And when you think about it, what are the alternatives for him if they don't trade him? Either he rides the pine or it's back to Triple-A or most likely some combination of the two with him filling in for injured players. I guess there are worse things that could happen to a guy, but he is ready to be an every day ballplayer in the bigs. If the Yankees can work out a fair trade with a team that's going to play him regularly, it's a win for everybody involved.
The Padres aren’t going to contend once again in 2018, so a healthy dose of young prospects for a team that’s in no rush to get anywhere makes sense. Hand is a terrific reliever that any team in the majors would want, especially as a lefty. He’s also not a rental, controllable through arbitration. His projected salary for next season is under $4 million, making him quite a catch.