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Big Rick in FL : 12/9/2017 7:53 am
Per Jon Heyman's Twitter.
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Nightengale saying Miami is already shopping Castro.  
bceagle05 : 12/9/2017 11:04 am : link
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It's a good thing  
Matt in SGS : 12/9/2017 11:10 am : link
Boston thought ahead and their rotation wasn't lefty domina....

oh wait...oh boy.
RE: Nightengale saying Miami is already shopping Castro.  
mfsd : 12/9/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13731457 bceagle05 said:
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Heyman said the same on WFAN in the last hour. Makes sense. If youre the Marlins. Who should be contracted

He also said he still cant confirm the players in the deal aside from Stanton
lmao  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/9/2017 11:12 am : link
I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.
Bill Simmons is all over twitter crying  
adamg : 12/9/2017 11:13 am : link
about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.
Matt in SGS  
Michael 123 : 12/9/2017 11:17 am : link
To your points about Machado, Heyman also said Yankees would be the favorites for him next winter, thst this move doesnt stop them from spending it next year.
Reports now on Twitter that the Marlins are  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 11:17 am : link
looking at young Class A prospects from the Yankees. Seems like guys like Andujar and Frazier are safe
RE: lmao  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13731470 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.


Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.
RE: Bill Simmons is all over twitter crying  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 11:20 am : link
In comment 13731471 adamg said:
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about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.


LOL. Fans and writers of all other teams are butt hurt.
RE: RE: lmao  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/9/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13731483 Ace718 said:
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I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.



Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.


Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.
RE: Bill Simmons is all over twitter crying  
BigBlueShock : 12/9/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13731471 adamg said:
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about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.

Haha, a bunch of people are. Miamis biggest homer Dan Lebatard too. I guess the fact that they had deals in place with St. Louis AND San Fran first, but got shot down by Stanton went right over their heads. Stanton gave Jeter 4 teams and the other 3 obviously arent interested. What the hell is he supposed to do?

Freaking clowns.
Teams with the legit 3-4-5 hitters  
Dan in the Springs : 12/9/2017 11:23 am : link
In the all-star game in their everyday lineup.
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Ace718 : 12/9/2017 11:25 am : link
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I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.



Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.



Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.


What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.
RE: RE: Bill Simmons is all over twitter crying  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13731490 BigBlueShock said:
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about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.


Haha, a bunch of people are. Miamis biggest homer Dan Lebatard too. I guess the fact that they had deals in place with St. Louis AND San Fran first, but got shot down by Stanton went right over their heads. Stanton gave Jeter 4 teams and the other 3 obviously arent interested. What the hell is he supposed to do?

Freaking clowns.


Dan LeBatard is worse than Skip Bayliss. Absolutely can't stand him. Biggest Miami homer and biggest Jeter since the Marlins were sold.
The Dodgers were good last year and these past few years not  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/9/2017 11:31 am : link
because of their big contract players, but because of their pitching and home grown talent. Having a big payroll doesnt guarantee you jack shit.
The deal better not include Frazier and Andujar, definitely not  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/9/2017 11:33 am : link
Andujar.

The packages from SF and Cards were pretty pedestrian, this is a salary dump, we cant give up anything good.
Ohtani who?  
Stan in LA : 12/9/2017 11:35 am : link
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RE: Ohtani who?  
yatqb : 12/9/2017 11:39 am : link
In comment 13731507 Stan in LA said:
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If Ohtani is a #1, he'd be more valuable to the Yanks than Stanton. But it's one wild response to losing out on him.
RE: Ohtani who?  
dpinzow : 12/9/2017 11:40 am : link
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Mariano will buy the Angels and trade us Trout and Ohtani, just wait 😂😂😂
I would rather have Santon  
mdthedream : 12/9/2017 11:46 am : link
there is no guarantee that he is a top pitcher let alone he wants to hit. That is a injury waiting to happen.
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TurdFurguson : 12/9/2017 11:49 am : link
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I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.



Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.



Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.



What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.


I said this on another thread. Staton has every right to do so per the NTC. He's under 30, making 300M over the next decade. Where he said he would ok trades to shows he's thinking about his brand beyond baseball. All 4 teams are major-market opportunities with teams that will be competitive. He approached it the right way, and Jeter was foolish to think he would be persuaded otherwise.
Stanton  
mitch300 : 12/9/2017 11:50 am : link
Pretty much was a free agent. That no trade clause really screwed Miami. Stanton dictated where he wanted to play.
RE: Bill Simmons is all over twitter crying  
mfsd : 12/9/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13731471 adamg said:
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about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.


Not that we would expect anything different from that sniveling twat Simmons, but anyone who followed baseball the past ten years knows Jeter and Cashman arent on each others holiday card list, and theres zero chance Jeter would do Cash any favors in a trade out of some kind of residual Yankees loyalty.
What would be Hilarious  
thevett : 12/9/2017 11:51 am : link
is the MLB investigations uncovers major issues and makes the guy a free agent again. He then chooses the Yanks.
RE: RE: Bill Simmons is all over twitter crying  
mitch300 : 12/9/2017 11:54 am : link
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about collusion between Jeter and the Yanks.. I love me some salty Boston tears.


Haha, a bunch of people are. Miamis biggest homer Dan Lebatard too. I guess the fact that they had deals in place with St. Louis AND San Fran first, but got shot down by Stanton went right over their heads. Stanton gave Jeter 4 teams and the other 3 obviously arent interested. What the hell is he supposed to do?

Freaking clowns.

Exactly. Let's not let facts get in the way. I can understand IF the Yanks were the only team the Marlins dealt . That was NOT the case. Haters gonna hate.
THE ACTUAL TRADE DEAL:  
guitarguybs12 : 12/9/2017 11:56 am : link
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the agreed-upon deal: yankees get stanton plus about $35M, marlins gets castro plus prospects
RE: Ohtani who?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/9/2017 11:56 am : link
In comment 13731507 Stan in LA said:
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Stan, seriously, STFU. Stick to trolling your own stupid Lonzo thread.
RE: THE ACTUAL TRADE DEAL:  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 11:57 am : link
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the agreed-upon deal: yankees get stanton plus about $35M, marlins gets castro plus prospects



Sp, tha Marlins pay $35 million of Stantons contract? That makes it even easier to get under the tax.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 12/9/2017 11:57 am : link
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I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.



Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.



Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.



What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.


It's a difficult situation, I get it. You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?
LOL, Didi tweet to Boone  
mitch300 : 12/9/2017 11:57 am : link
Hey skip am I still batting 4th???
RE: LOL, Didi tweet to Boone  
dune69 : 12/9/2017 11:59 am : link
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Hey skip am I still batting 4th???



Didi is hilarious. Love him.
Per Jack Curry one of the prospects is Jorge Guzman, ranked #7 for NYY  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 12:00 pm : link
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One name to monitor in Stanton deal is Jorge Guzman, a 21-year old RHP who throws 100 MPH. Guzman was 5-3 w/ 2.30 ERA and 88K/18BB in 66 2/3 IP at Class A Staten Island. Baseball America rated him #7 on Yankees prospects list. Fits criteria of what Marlins are said to be getting.
Not is but could likely be.  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 12:01 pm : link
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Stanton on his way for a physical. Herman  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 12:03 pm : link

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stanton is on his way to NYC (or there already) for physical. so obviously, he is approving deal.
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Milton : 12/9/2017 12:14 pm : link
Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?
Apparently he was only willing to consider four teams and I'm sure phone calls were made to the other three. Why would Jeter want to do the Yankees any favors at the Marlins expense even if he and Cashman were lovers (which they're not, by the way)? He and the Yankees are competitors now. He didn't join the Marlins ownership to fail. I'm sure he will apply the same level of competitiveness to his new job as he did to his old job.
I love Brian Cashman  
adamg : 12/9/2017 12:16 pm : link
If only the Giants were so fortunate in the FO...
Its crazy  
Keith : 12/9/2017 12:18 pm : link
There are no 2 more identical players than Judge and Stanton. Both really big power hitters that like to extend and routinely hit the ball harder than everyone else. Both RF's with strong arms. Insane to have them in the same lineup.
Guzman is a long ways off but has sky-high potential  
Greg from LI : 12/9/2017 12:19 pm : link
Has the highest avg fastball velocity of any pitcher in professional baseball at any level
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mfsd : 12/9/2017 12:20 pm : link
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I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.



Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.



Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.



What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.



It's a difficult situation, I get it. You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?


Bro and Evan asked Heyman about this earlier, he said the Cubs and Astros showed no interest, and the Dodgers were monitoring, but are already at $250 million payroll and never seriously negotiated. Marlins were really in a corner on this one
RE: Guzman is a long ways off but has sky-high potential  
Milton : 12/9/2017 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13731563 Greg from LI said:
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Has the highest avg fastball velocity of any pitcher in professional baseball at any level
Does that include Ohtani?
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Matt in SGS : 12/9/2017 12:23 pm : link
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I wonder if the league office is second guessing that new ownership group yet.



Trading Stanton would have been the priority regardless of ownership group.



Trading Stanton isn't objectionable. Dumping him for Starlin Castro and some fritos is.



What are they supposed to do when the previous ownership gave him a full no trade clause? They did their best getting good deals from Cards and Giants. Stanton didn't want to go there. Cant blame the Marlins new ownership. I think them dumping all of Stanton's salary and taking back just Castro's $22 million, which can easily be moved off the books via another trade, is a good job by them. They were handcuffed by Stanton's contract.



It's a difficult situation, I get it. You cannot tell me this was the best possible deal for this player. It's not like Stanton was only willing to go to one team. We're not even at the winter meetings yet. What was the rush to do this?



Bro and Evan asked Heyman about this earlier, he said the Cubs and Astros showed no interest, and the Dodgers were monitoring, but are already at $250 million payroll and never seriously negotiated. Marlins were really in a corner on this one


Everything goes back to the summer of 2016 when the Yankees decided to go with their rebuild and look to free up this money. The plan was to be ready for the 2018 free agent class. Just like last year where they were a year ahead of schedule, they were a year ahead now with the ability to land Stanton, essentially for nothing.
Seems like 2 prospects. One of them is reportedly Guzman.  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 12:31 pm : link
Gizmo is rated very highly by scouts and Denbo loves him.
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Source: Marlins will get Castro and two prospects from the Yankees. Yankees will assume $265 million of the $295 million on Stantons contract.[/qupte]
Anyone know  
BigBlueShock : 12/9/2017 12:36 pm : link
If the Marlins cover $30 million, hows that effect the tax rest this year? Can the Yankees manipulate that to show more money saved this season and payout more each successive season, or would the savings be averaged out over the term of the deal?
Guzman  
Dave in PA : 12/9/2017 12:37 pm : link
Not the most in depth article, but if hes been traded it certainly looks like Miami may have found an absolute stud if he can maintain quality mechanics. Kind of flies in the face of just a salary dump from Miamis perspective. I get that they cant purely trade Stanton just to get rid of his salary and not get a return, but if the Yankees really were the only team that remained as a trading partner (LA supposedly not wanting to add his salary), why even give up a prospect the caliber of Guzman? Make Miami take something lesser. Its not like they could back off the Stanton trade and not have it be a total mess after all theyd gone through already.
Jorge Guzman - 2018 preview - ( New Window )
LOL  
Keith : 12/9/2017 12:41 pm : link
Yankees get the NL MVP and someone complains we overpaid with our 9th best prospect.
Because the dude is in A ball...  
LarmerTJR : 12/9/2017 12:42 pm : link
And we cant mske do anything. Maybe we make them take Ellsbury too and tell them need to take our crappiest of crap prospects?
They have to give up something.  
RAIN : 12/9/2017 12:42 pm : link
Guzman, Stephan, and Castro arent nothing... but were talking about Giancarlo Stanton on the cheap.
Kay on ESPN Radio with Anita Marks.  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 12:44 pm : link
-Marlins are a desperate team
-Castro and lower level prospects for Stanton is almost nothing
-Yanks have a lot of money coming off this year and will still be below the threshold
-Yankees intend to keep Gardner
-Yankees won't be able to move Ellsbury or even a part of his salary
-Yankees will be under $197 million regardless of moves made
-Boone is a really smart guy who believes in analytics. Yankees gave Boone the keys to a Lambo when he just got his driver's license
-The pressure on the team goes up. They have to win now. No underdog stories anymore.
-Some Yankee fans don't like the move but this move makes them so much better
-Getting Stanton for Castro is astonishing
-Injury concern for Stanton is overplayed by some
-It would be unfair to move Judge to Left. At home they should play Gardner in Left and have Stanton DH. Stanton could play LF on the road. He'll mostly be a DH.
-Havent heard names of prospects going to Marlins but they will not be top guys. Lower level guys more likely.
RE: Guzman  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13731580 Dave in PA said:
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Not the most in depth article, but if hes been traded it certainly looks like Miami may have found an absolute stud if he can maintain quality mechanics. Kind of flies in the face of just a salary dump from Miamis perspective. I get that they cant purely trade Stanton just to get rid of his salary and not get a return, but if the Yankees really were the only team that remained as a trading partner (LA supposedly not wanting to add his salary), why even give up a prospect the caliber of Guzman? Make Miami take something lesser. Its not like they could back off the Stanton trade and not have it be a total mess after all theyd gone through already. Jorge Guzman - 2018 preview - ( New Window )


You were not gonna get him for nothing. We gave up a better prospect in Rutherford for lesser player than Stanton.
RE: Anyone know  
Ace718 : 12/9/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13731579 BigBlueShock said:
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If the Marlins cover $30 million, hows that effect the tax rest this year? Can the Yankees manipulate that to show more money saved this season and payout more each successive season, or would the savings be averaged out over the term of the deal?


From Twitter- looks like $3 million in tax credit for the next 10 years.
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#Yankees will receive luxury tax credit of $3 million per year in Stanton trade; $30 million cash payment from #Marlins is averaged over the 10 years regardless of when payouts come, and even though opt-out exists. @MLB @MLBNetwork
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