Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Which just happens to be the same time that Ellsbury and Tanaka's deals end. Chapman would be the only long-term deal left- but he ALSO has an opt-out.
There is a possibility that the Yanks could enter the 2020 off-season without ANY long term financial commitments.
Just don't see Stanton opting out and leaving that much money on the table. He'll be 31 and will not get more money in the open market. He'll be leaving $218 on the table with the opt out.
No, I think he will. Harper and Machado are going to break the $300M mark- and possibly the $400M mark. Stanton won't get a 10 year deal, but after those deals, getting a deal worth $30-35M annually might not be unrealistic.
But Stanton has a history with injuries and could be destined for more time at DH eventually and Gardner has a year left here. So I agree, I wouldn't write off Clint as a part of this future core
Remember that Frazier lost a ton of development time last year with that lat injury. He can easily be sent to AAA to work on some things.
Keep in mind as well that Gardner is a FA at the end of the year. I think Stanton will be a DH most of the time, and could remain there if Frazier were to take over for Gardner in 2019.
We also need to keep in mind that Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Keeping Frazier around allows the Yanks to keep a potentially high end bat around to ease the potential loss of Stanton down the road.
Yep absolutely, could be available for the right pitcher, but we could easily send him to AAA and he's the first call up after an injury, ready to take over LF in 2019 with Stanton at DH
Exactly right. Stanton doesnt change Frazier's future much at all. Frazier is still the eventual Gardner replacement in LF, that hasn't changed.
And was really interested to see prospects involved...while some Yanks fans didn't give a shit, and just loved getting Stanton and his albatross contract. But I love the deal.
Only two prospects are Jorge Guzman and Jose Devers. Two guys that haven't even played above rookie ball in minors. So I really like it. Guzman is actually a top 10 prospect for Yanks (usually around 7-10 on lists), we got him last year in Brian McCann trade. Devers is a nobody so far as he is only 17 years old from D.R. (happens to be Rafael's cousin for you Sox fans). Guzman is an absolute flamethrower and throws over 100. Could be a stud, but he is a lottery ticket. Since is 3 years away, and you have no idea what can happen between now and then. He wasn't even top guy in McCann trade, that was another P named Alberto Abreu...who is a bigger prospect at this time.
So all things considered, even being very well versed with Yanks farm system and not wanting to give up any top prospects...I am more than good with this.
Know that Ellsbury has a no trade clause. However, wouldn't you think he would like to leave the Yankees. Last year heading to spring training he thought he would be the starting CF. this season he knows that he will start the season on the bench. All these athletes have huge egos. I would think he would have his agent trying to get him traded. Would he rather play on a shitty team and be a starter or would he rather be a bench player on a contender. He gets paid either way.
Know that Ellsbury has a no trade clause. However, wouldn't you think he would like to leave the Yankees. Last year heading to spring training he thought he would be the starting CF. this season he knows that he will start the season on the bench. All these athletes have huge egos. I would think he would have his agent trying to get him traded. Would he rather play on a shitty team and be a starter or would he rather be a bench player on a contender. He gets paid either way.
It doesn't matter what he wants as no team is going to eat that contract unless the Yankees eat more than half that contract.
I think that Ellsbury would agree to a trade to a team/city that is Â
attractive to him, but I imagine he'd want to move to another contender, and do any of those teams need him? I don't see anyone who'd be dying to land him.
probably thinks he'll get a fresh start with a new manager and can win the CF job back. Not saying I think it'll happen, but it could explain why he doesn't appear anxious to leave
were talking to the Blue Jays about Marcus Strohman quite a bit around the deadline.
Coincidently, Stromans been chattering on Twitter about the Stanton deal this morning. He’s trying to prove he’s not intimidated already by this lineup:)
RE: RE: wonder if Boone will break up righties and lefties like Girardi did - Â
the 3 righties? Are there numbers against righties really that different from lefties? I'd ideally want to see Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez hitting back to back.
Yesterday almost everyone on THAT Stanton thread was saying it was a bad idea for the Yanks. Good Idea After All - ( New Window )
I was one of those people, but I was worried they would be giving up prospects that might otherwise be packaged for a starting pitcher. As it turns out, they still have plenty of chips to play with and including Castro dumps a fat contract and opens up another possible destination for Torres in 2018 (which they may prefer to 3rd base for reasons both present and future related).
p.s.--Also I preferred Harper to Stanton, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (especially when it arrives a year earlier and costs less).
the 3 righties? Are there numbers against righties really that different from lefties? I'd ideally want to see Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez hitting back to back.
I guess one advantage of doing so is if we bat Bird between Judge and Stanton, he’ll be set to get a ton of pitches to hit...could be set up for a monster season himself
the 3 righties? Are there numbers against righties really that different from lefties? I'd ideally want to see Judge, Stanton, and Sanchez hitting back to back.
That was kind of what I was asking - Girardi would but I don’t know about Boone.
Guzman was on the rise, there is a reason Denbo picked him over Frecier Perez, Domingo Acevedo, and the like. Don't know anything about Devers.
Small price I guess, but this severely decrease our payroll flexibility. No matter what kind of fuzzy math you do, 10/300M is still 10/300M. He may be a freak athlete and can last into his late 30's, but he does already have some injury history.
Guzman was on the rise, there is a reason Denbo picked him over Frecier Perez, Domingo Acevedo, and the like. Don't know anything about Devers.
Small price I guess, but this severely decrease our payroll flexibility. No matter what kind of fuzzy math you do, 10/300M is still 10/300M. He may be a freak athlete and can last into his late 30's, but he does already have some injury history.
Stanton will have almost zero effect on long term flexibility. It don’t think you understand how much flexibility having all of these young cost controlled players will provide. In two years Ellsbury will literally be the only long term contract left, other than Stanton. Grady, Tanaka, Headley, CC....all of these guys will be gone. Stanton making $25 per is not going to have any effect at all on flexibility, thanks to the incredible job Cashman has done with the farm.
Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
Are you new to baseball? I’m pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to “go look at the stats” when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what he’s done. He’s an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we don’t have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. It’s good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
Health is a key concern, but it's okay to dish out 10/300M guranteed Â
Prior to last year, his previous career high in HR's was 37. And out of 7 full seasons he's played more than 150 games exactly twice.
In 8 seasons, his career OPS is .914, which is 3rd best among active players under 30 after Trout and Goldschmidt.
We're all just fans here kicking around opinions, but it really seems like you're trying very hard to invent negatives about this deal. Yes, the last 2-3 years of the contract may be bad, but outside of that there's no downside here.
not now, the idea of rotating the four outfielders through the DH spot as well seems like a good one.
Also, Castro had great moments but he's a maddening player and I think lots of BBIers discussed trading him this offseason if possible. If Torres can take over at 2B and do well this seems like a real upgrade all the way around. Need another starting pitcher and a resolution for 3B, maybe a better backup catcher - otherwise looking pretty well set.
also, looked at an exit velocity chart over on the NYT - Â
Last season Judge and Stanton hit the 8 hardest balls in MLB, 11 of the top 12, 20 of the top 25 - something like that. It's not going to be fun for pitchers.
not now, the idea of rotating the four outfielders through the DH spot as well seems like a good one.
Also, Castro had great moments but he's a maddening player and I think lots of BBIers discussed trading him this offseason if possible. If Torres can take over at 2B and do well this seems like a real upgrade all the way around. Need another starting pitcher and a resolution for 3B, maybe a better backup catcher - otherwise looking pretty well set.
The way I see it, if Torres comes in and plays a solid 2nd base and hits ok, he'll be a net neutral. If he can come in and bat like he's being touted as and can play a solid 2nd, we're in fucking business.
RE: also, looked at an exit velocity chart over on the NYT - Â
Last season Judge and Stanton hit the 8 hardest balls in MLB, 11 of the top 12, 20 of the top 25 - something like that. It's not going to be fun for pitchers.
I think they will have to put up a screen in the outfield to protect the fans :)
I'll admit it, I have a Cashmancrush.
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Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Which just happens to be the same time that Ellsbury and Tanaka's deals end. Chapman would be the only long-term deal left- but he ALSO has an opt-out.
There is a possibility that the Yanks could enter the 2020 off-season without ANY long term financial commitments.
Just don't see Stanton opting out and leaving that much money on the table. He'll be 31 and will not get more money in the open market. He'll be leaving $218 on the table with the opt out.
No, I think he will. Harper and Machado are going to break the $300M mark- and possibly the $400M mark. Stanton won't get a 10 year deal, but after those deals, getting a deal worth $30-35M annually might not be unrealistic.
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Yelich is the main topic of conversation among Braves fans right now. The cost would be immense as he is locked up to a great deal through 2022.
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But Stanton has a history with injuries and could be destined for more time at DH eventually and Gardner has a year left here. So I agree, I wouldn't write off Clint as a part of this future core
Remember that Frazier lost a ton of development time last year with that lat injury. He can easily be sent to AAA to work on some things.
Keep in mind as well that Gardner is a FA at the end of the year. I think Stanton will be a DH most of the time, and could remain there if Frazier were to take over for Gardner in 2019.
We also need to keep in mind that Stanton has an opt-out after 2020. Keeping Frazier around allows the Yanks to keep a potentially high end bat around to ease the potential loss of Stanton down the road.
Yep absolutely, could be available for the right pitcher, but we could easily send him to AAA and he's the first call up after an injury, ready to take over LF in 2019 with Stanton at DH
Exactly right. Stanton doesnt change Frazier's future much at all. Frazier is still the eventual Gardner replacement in LF, that hasn't changed.
Only two prospects are Jorge Guzman and Jose Devers. Two guys that haven't even played above rookie ball in minors. So I really like it. Guzman is actually a top 10 prospect for Yanks (usually around 7-10 on lists), we got him last year in Brian McCann trade. Devers is a nobody so far as he is only 17 years old from D.R. (happens to be Rafael's cousin for you Sox fans). Guzman is an absolute flamethrower and throws over 100. Could be a stud, but he is a lottery ticket. Since is 3 years away, and you have no idea what can happen between now and then. He wasn't even top guy in McCann trade, that was another P named Alberto Abreu...who is a bigger prospect at this time.
So all things considered, even being very well versed with Yanks farm system and not wanting to give up any top prospects...I am more than good with this.
It doesn't matter what he wants as no team is going to eat that contract unless the Yankees eat more than half that contract.
Agreed. I never trust NL pitchers coming here. I'd explore the FA market and keep our pen together.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=13125&position=P&season=0&split=0.1#standard
Good Idea After All - ( New Window )
Gardner
Hicks
Sanchez
Stanton
Judge
Bird
Didi
[Headley?]
Torres
Would probably want Didi or Bird to break up the three righties in the middle of the order, but we'll see.
It appears they'll stay under the luxury tax and score Stanton. That's a pretty big condsideration.
The asking price for a 26 year old FOR starter from a division rival will be enormous.
Gardner
Hicks
Sanchez
Stanton
Judge
Bird
Didi
[Headley?]
Torres
Would probably want Didi or Bird to break up the three righties in the middle of the order, but we'll see.
Not a fan of that lineup at all. Judge has to bat 2nd or 3rd. Sanchez will be batting lower.
Some have suggested:
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Hadley/Andujar
Torreyes/Torres
Coincidently, Stromans been chattering on Twitter about the Stanton deal this morning. He’s trying to prove he’s not intimidated already by this lineup:)
Some have suggested:
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley/Andujar
Torreyes/Torres
Best hitter on team is Sanchez - should bat 3rd.
p.s.--Also I preferred Harper to Stanton, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (especially when it arrives a year earlier and costs less).
I guess one advantage of doing so is if we bat Bird between Judge and Stanton, he’ll be set to get a ton of pitches to hit...could be set up for a monster season himself
That was kind of what I was asking - Girardi would but I don’t know about Boone.
Gardner
Judge
Bird
Stanton
Sanchez
Didi
Hicks
Headley
2B
To start the season. When Torres takes over 2B or 3B he might wind up hitting 2nd. The lineup with him in it is crazy if healthy.
Small price I guess, but this severely decrease our payroll flexibility. No matter what kind of fuzzy math you do, 10/300M is still 10/300M. He may be a freak athlete and can last into his late 30's, but he does already have some injury history.
Small price I guess, but this severely decrease our payroll flexibility. No matter what kind of fuzzy math you do, 10/300M is still 10/300M. He may be a freak athlete and can last into his late 30's, but he does already have some injury history.
Stanton will have almost zero effect on long term flexibility. It don’t think you understand how much flexibility having all of these young cost controlled players will provide. In two years Ellsbury will literally be the only long term contract left, other than Stanton. Grady, Tanaka, Headley, CC....all of these guys will be gone. Stanton making $25 per is not going to have any effect at all on flexibility, thanks to the incredible job Cashman has done with the farm.
Are you new to baseball? I’m pretty sure that nobody on this site needs to “go look at the stats” when it comes to Stanton. We all know who he is and what he’s done. He’s an absolute monster. A top 5 player in baseball when healthy. And we all know that health is the key concern.
I hope you get this out of your system and we don’t have to suffer you complaining about Stanton for the next 10 years. For fucks sake man, enjoy the ride. Stop worrying so damned much. It’s good to be a Yankee fan right now, stop trying to piss on the parade.
In 8 seasons, his career OPS is .914, which is 3rd best among active players under 30 after Trout and Goldschmidt.
We're all just fans here kicking around opinions, but it really seems like you're trying very hard to invent negatives about this deal. Yes, the last 2-3 years of the contract may be bad, but outside of that there's no downside here.
Also, Castro had great moments but he's a maddening player and I think lots of BBIers discussed trading him this offseason if possible. If Torres can take over at 2B and do well this seems like a real upgrade all the way around. Need another starting pitcher and a resolution for 3B, maybe a better backup catcher - otherwise looking pretty well set.
Also, Castro had great moments but he's a maddening player and I think lots of BBIers discussed trading him this offseason if possible. If Torres can take over at 2B and do well this seems like a real upgrade all the way around. Need another starting pitcher and a resolution for 3B, maybe a better backup catcher - otherwise looking pretty well set.
The way I see it, if Torres comes in and plays a solid 2nd base and hits ok, he'll be a net neutral. If he can come in and bat like he's being touted as and can play a solid 2nd, we're in fucking business.
I think they will have to put up a screen in the outfield to protect the fans :)