where he needs to be, to be the #2 and active on Sundays. They know they need to evaluate him in gameplay desperately and he is still not ready to be #2? Unreal.
where he needs to be, to be the #2 and active on Sundays. They know they need to evaluate him in gameplay desperately and he is still not ready to be #2? Unreal.
I assume they never expected Webb to even dress this season, barring injury to Geno. This was supposed to be a redshirt year where he learns by watching, with Eli as mentor, then next year was supposed to be the year he steps up to backup.
In other words, they had a plan that didn't include him being prepped to play this season, and even though now that plan is down the tubes, he's not prepared. They have to accelerate his preparation but there are only so many hours of practice a week. The organization isn't willing to tank the season to get him on the field. It's a problem all around.
plan when they thought they'd be contenders. But the team is in an entirely different situation now. To tank or not to tank? That question answered itself quite a while ago.
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where he needs to be, to be the #2 and active on Sundays. They know they need to evaluate him in gameplay desperately and he is still not ready to be #2? Unreal.
I assume they never expected Webb to even dress this season, barring injury to Geno. This was supposed to be a redshirt year where he learns by watching, with Eli as mentor, then next year was supposed to be the year he steps up to backup.
In other words, they had a plan that didn't include him being prepped to play this season, and even though now that plan is down the tubes, he's not prepared. They have to accelerate his preparation but there are only so many hours of practice a week. The organization isn't willing to tank the season to get him on the field. It's a problem all around.
Agreed. But at 0-5 they should have known that the season was likely lost, and should have started at that point to get him more reps so he could at least get into some games at the end of the season. He still might, but time is running out.
the chances that Davis Webb sucks. Nathan Peterman was in a similar spot in Buffalo with fans clamoring to see him. You saw what happened there. The coaches have seen Webb in practice. If he was lighting it up there would be some excitement and buzz and he would make a move on Geno for the 2nd spot. Didn't Josh Johnson displace Ryan Nassib as #2 last year even before Nassib's injuries?
while guys like Geno Smith and Josh Johnson actually got to compete for the backup job. Is it really that much of a stretch to imagine that Webb is no where near ready to play in a game?
The problem here is that the meddling owner decided that the coach needed help with his depth chart when the team is down and out.
Webb is going to have to compete for a job next year in a new offense
for a new coach. Who cares what he does playing in the corpse of Ben McAdoo's offense at the end of a lost season? That "evaluation" is going to mean spit come training camp. It should have zero bearing on whether or not to take a QB in the top 4. If our guy is there, we take him.
are those that think Webb playing will have any effect on what we do with our hopefully top 3 pick. Webb isn’t stopping us from taking a QB whether he plays this year or not.
Good thing you were patient with Webb. It's amazing we were told this season was going to be a redshirt year for Webb and now that it has been several have already called him a wasted pick.
are those that think Webb playing will have any effect on what we do with our hopefully top 3 pick. Webb isn’t stopping us from taking a QB whether he plays this year or not.
He isn’t ready. Remember the expectations this year. Webb was not intended to play for 2-3 years after fixing some mechanics and hoping he develops. 2-10 doesn’t change that.
likely had Eli sitting in place of Webb for the final 5 games of the season.
The one report that had Webb being ready to play from Week 14 on for the final four weeks made no sense when it was found last week that Webb was still not even moved up to the #2 spot on the depth chart and is still #3 this week.
Any plan to actually play Webb was more or less mythical. It is very difficult now to see Webb go from scout team to even 2nd team reps in 7 to 9 days and have him at least be available to play in Arizona in Week 16 if needed when you consider that Spags is trying to get the permanent job. He needs Eli to play every down in order to even have a chance.
are those that think Webb playing will have any effect on what we do with our hopefully top 3 pick. Webb isn’t stopping us from taking a QB whether he plays this year or not.
This is so shortsighted its comical.
The reason to play Webb is to begin developing Webb where where have, in essence, the "free games" to go do so. Of course the new regime will pick a QB...it would be illogical not to since Eli accomplishes nothing for us anymore.
As I mentioned before, the Giants are better served IN EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO IMAGINABLE to have Webb begin his development sooner versus later.
they are all just varying shades of ready. I do know that he will probably hand the ball off 50% of the time. And I also know he will probably have about another 25% of his passes that are immediate slants or quick throws to Engram.
So that leaves about 25% of his plays that he may actually need to read the defense, audible, scramble or get sacked.
You worried about breaking the confidence of a 3rd round pick that may not be in the NFL in several years?
Certainly he will be overshadowed by the franchise guy we pick next year, so give him some time now, right?
You mean if he reads the defense wrong and throws a pick-6 against the Cowboys or Eagles in a panic throw then he's not ready? I wonder what you thought when Eli did the same over his career...
putting a guy out there can have a negative impact for other players and coaches. From a fan perspective all they care about is Super Bowl or tank for the best pick. The nfl doesn’t operate that way, I don’t know what to tell you.
Once again, if Webb can’t beat out Geno Smith why should he get playing time? It’s a pretty simple question with a very simple answer.
you don't have to plan on him actually playing. Use him in a traditional backup role, where he only sees the field if the number one (Eli) gets hurt. In the meantime, he gets limited practice snaps to prepare for the backup role he is being groomed for, for next year at least (doubtful he goes from not being ready to do anything but scout to competing for a starting role in one offseason). If he does go into a game, we don't really care if he can provide quality relief, since we don't care if we win (in reality, the opposite).
the only caveat would be if the scout job actually gets more active time in practice than the #2 guy who probably spends most of his time holding a clipboard, or if there's not really much practice difference between 2 and 3.
putting a guy out there can have a negative impact for other players and coaches. From a fan perspective all they care about is Super Bowl or tank for the best pick. The nfl doesn’t operate that way, I don’t know what to tell you.
Once again, if Webb can’t beat out Geno Smith why should he get playing time? It’s a pretty simple question with a very simple answer.
like I said...short-sighted. Thx
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We've seen instances already of kid QBs who may have no business playing coming in and playing well. No one thought Dak Prescott was going to play and he had less introduction to the NFL. And it's not even like we should be playing him because he's set to succeed. We're playing him to give him seasoning. Eli was shit his first year. I imagine he gained a lot of experience through the downs of it though.
I’m all for Webb getting reps if he can beat out Smith for the backup job. He hasn’t yet, either because he can’t or because the Giants have him shut down outside of an injury to those in front of him. One of those two scenarios is the correct reason, no idea which is true. But I’m not the one pretending I know what’s best for the team.
I've said, I'd be fine if they put him in if the game is a blow out, but also understand if they don't. The offense is terrible. The Giants won't learn much if anything by playing him now.
I agree that Webb won't affect whether the Giants take a QB, but only Rosen or Darnold in the top five, or Allen after a big trade down.
Even if he doesn't work out, Webb was not a wasted pick. The Giants expected to be contenders, and therefore picking near the bottom of the first round. That would mean they'd have no chance at Rosen, Darnold, or Allen.
I’m all for Webb getting reps if he can beat out Smith for the backup job. He hasn’t yet, either because he can’t or because the Giants have him shut down outside of an injury to those in front of him. One of those two scenarios is the correct reason, no idea which is true. But I’m not the one pretending I know what’s best for the team.
It seems arbitrary to say he has to be better than Geno Smith before he starts. One guy is under contract through 2021 the other guy is a pending FA. Why not see if he can play even with Geno and Eli in this offense?
where he needs to be, to be the #2 and active on Sundays. They know they need to evaluate him in gameplay desperately and he is still not ready to be #2? Unreal.
He is #2 this week. This is the first week he is running the scout team.
the chances that Davis Webb sucks. Nathan Peterman was in a similar spot in Buffalo with fans clamoring to see him. You saw what happened there. The coaches have seen Webb in practice. If he was lighting it up there would be some excitement and buzz and he would make a move on Geno for the 2nd spot. Didn't Josh Johnson displace Ryan Nassib as #2 last year even before Nassib's injuries?
The problem is they haven't seen much of him in practice. He was taking minimal before this week, including the summer.
Spags found out on Monday that he was the head coach. He has a million things to do to get this team prepared to play a game. I guarantee Webb was near the bottom of his list of things to worry about. Lets see what happens the rest of the year.
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Spags found out on Monday that he was the head coach. He has a million things to do to get this team prepared to play a game. I guarantee Webb was near the bottom of his list of things to worry about. Lets see what happens the rest of the year.
There’s a lot of stuff that people just don’t want to hear. Apparently just growing him out there is easy. Forget the entire rest of the team, Davis Webb is the only one that matters somehow...
The whole situation has been so mishandled it is almost incomprehensible. Spags shouldn't be taking heat over this since he is the most recent one in charge. This has been botched from the get-go. The time to let him fail was in training camp competing for the backup QB position. Not giving him any team reps in the regular season and barely any in the preseason/training camp is where it was botched. Throwing him in a game without the necessary preparation is not wise. If you don't believe me about the team reps go back and look at Webb's comment entering what I think was the 2nd preseason game. He was asked if he is ready and he said yes he has taken every snap because he is mentally into every play. He has gotten every mental rep. He said he was looking forward to getting some team reps for the first time and that was the week of him getting playing time in the preseason. That is just absurd.
That means he is used to playing "up." With the exception of the first couple games , the other team was better, sometimes much better. The talent spread in college is much greater than it is in the NFL.
Get him the hell on the field before this disaster ends .
In other words, they had a plan that didn't include him being prepped to play this season, and even though now that plan is down the tubes, he's not prepared. They have to accelerate his preparation but there are only so many hours of practice a week. The organization isn't willing to tank the season to get him on the field. It's a problem all around.
How many 3rd round QBs dominate the league? I count 1...
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where he needs to be, to be the #2 and active on Sundays. They know they need to evaluate him in gameplay desperately and he is still not ready to be #2? Unreal.
I assume they never expected Webb to even dress this season, barring injury to Geno. This was supposed to be a redshirt year where he learns by watching, with Eli as mentor, then next year was supposed to be the year he steps up to backup.
In other words, they had a plan that didn't include him being prepped to play this season, and even though now that plan is down the tubes, he's not prepared. They have to accelerate his preparation but there are only so many hours of practice a week. The organization isn't willing to tank the season to get him on the field. It's a problem all around.
Agreed. But at 0-5 they should have known that the season was likely lost, and should have started at that point to get him more reps so he could at least get into some games at the end of the season. He still might, but time is running out.
Thanks Nostradamus
The problem here is that the meddling owner decided that the coach needed help with his depth chart when the team is down and out.
Webb is going to have to compete for a job next year in a new offense
for a new coach. Who cares what he does playing in the corpse of Ben McAdoo's offense at the end of a lost season? That "evaluation" is going to mean spit come training camp. It should have zero bearing on whether or not to take a QB in the top 4. If our guy is there, we take him.
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that a 3rd rounder from Reese isn't dominating the league.
How many 3rd round QBs dominate the league? I count 1...
Then why draft one at all? And leave the OL til rd 6
Good thing you were patient with Webb. It's amazing we were told this season was going to be a redshirt year for Webb and now that it has been several have already called him a wasted pick.
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The one report that had Webb being ready to play from Week 14 on for the final four weeks made no sense when it was found last week that Webb was still not even moved up to the #2 spot on the depth chart and is still #3 this week.
Any plan to actually play Webb was more or less mythical. It is very difficult now to see Webb go from scout team to even 2nd team reps in 7 to 9 days and have him at least be available to play in Arizona in Week 16 if needed when you consider that Spags is trying to get the permanent job. He needs Eli to play every down in order to even have a chance.
This is so shortsighted its comical.
The reason to play Webb is to begin developing Webb where where have, in essence, the "free games" to go do so. Of course the new regime will pick a QB...it would be illogical not to since Eli accomplishes nothing for us anymore.
As I mentioned before, the Giants are better served IN EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO IMAGINABLE to have Webb begin his development sooner versus later.
its not even debatable...
I’ve said I wouldn’t care if he played if he’s ready. All signs point to him not being ready. I have no idea why this is such a big issue.
So unless you know something that everyone else doesn’t about how ready he is than it’s really just an uneducated opinion.
So that leaves about 25% of his plays that he may actually need to read the defense, audible, scramble or get sacked.
How exciting not to be perfectly ready...
Certainly he will be overshadowed by the franchise guy we pick next year, so give him some time now, right?
You mean if he reads the defense wrong and throws a pick-6 against the Cowboys or Eagles in a panic throw then he's not ready? I wonder what you thought when Eli did the same over his career...
Once again, if Webb can’t beat out Geno Smith why should he get playing time? It’s a pretty simple question with a very simple answer.
the only caveat would be if the scout job actually gets more active time in practice than the #2 guy who probably spends most of his time holding a clipboard, or if there's not really much practice difference between 2 and 3.
Once again, if Webb can’t beat out Geno Smith why should he get playing time? It’s a pretty simple question with a very simple answer.
like I said...short-sighted. Thx
That doesn't mean he can't come in for the fourth quarter during a blowout.
I agree that Webb won't affect whether the Giants take a QB, but only Rosen or Darnold in the top five, or Allen after a big trade down.
Even if he doesn't work out, Webb was not a wasted pick. The Giants expected to be contenders, and therefore picking near the bottom of the first round. That would mean they'd have no chance at Rosen, Darnold, or Allen.
It seems arbitrary to say he has to be better than Geno Smith before he starts. One guy is under contract through 2021 the other guy is a pending FA. Why not see if he can play even with Geno and Eli in this offense?
There’s a lot of stuff that people just don’t want to hear. Apparently just growing him out there is easy. Forget the entire rest of the team, Davis Webb is the only one that matters somehow...
If they got him ready and he played 4-6 games he could have had an impact on the team building plan.
He's a very talented thrower. If he went out there and played well how can you say it couldn't have an impact?
Get him the hell on the field before this disaster ends .