Pretty clear he isn't ready. The guy is third string. He can't beat out G Smith. What more do you need to know?
Next, this coaching staff is trying to win. Evaluating players when these coaches may not even be here next year is the last thing on their minds.
Finally, you are putting a green QB behind a semi-NFL line and having him throw to practice squad caliber WRs. What kind of evaluation do you expect to get from that?
Does everyone remember how Eli looked at the start? Like a 7th round reject. It’s totally possible that Webb can be a great qb. He certainly checks all the boxes off the field. Hard working. Studious. All the measurables. Seems like he won’t get into trouble or make bad headlines. Everyone is so sure he can’t do it on the field? Show him the patience shown Eli and we might be surprised. It might still be a great plan to trade down, fortify the o line and parts of the D, get a rb, let Eli play the next 2 years and then let Webb take over. I’d like a competent talent evaluator to make that choice. I do think letting Webb play a bit would help.
Or at least see him as the #2 and even if he didn't play a snap all year at least he got #2 reps in practice and had to prepare for possible burn in a real game. That in itself would have been better than the alternative. Could have kicked Webb up the depth chart after the Giants lost their 8th game.
Honestly I'd probably still draft a QB even if Webb played admirably in one of these bs games. But that doesn't make this "plan" by nyg any more palatable. But like someone else said maybe Webb truly is a nightmare under center right now. IT has happened before.
I really don't think some of you understand how QBs work Â
and how the NFL works. Who said Webb couldn't beat out Smith? You cannot beat someone if you arent in competition with him. Once Geno waw named the number 2 there was practically no way for Webb to be bumped up since all he does is deal with the scout team. He isn't practicing the Giants plays on the scout team. The only way for him to be bumped up now is the simple fact that ownership wants to see it. Otherwise it isnt happening.
We've seen instances already of kid QBs who may have no business playing coming in and playing well. No one thought Dak Prescott was going to play and he had less introduction to the NFL. And it's not even like we should be playing him because he's set to succeed. We're playing him to give him seasoning. Eli was shit his first year. I imagine he gained a lot of experience through the downs of it though.
saying eli was "shit" his first year is stupid revisionist history. he had a mediocre three games, followed by three very bad games, bottoming out against baltimore, then he looked sharp vs. pittsburgh, cincinnati and dallas.
What is the point of putting him out there in these conditions? Â
Does anyone know what they are doing? Why then pickup a QB in the 3rd round?? Do the Giants want to know what they have in him? They shouldn't have wasted a 3rd rounder on him then, and just picked up Alvin Kamara?! smh. Glad Reese is gone.
this was stated and borne out as truth since he did not compete for two spot in the pre season and he never dresses.
Season was destroyed so you could argue the plan should have changed to start getting him reps to move up to number two.
Why would this not happen?
One, teams seem to put a lot of emphasis
on actually being mathematically eliminated. That ninth loss means a great deal to the players and coaches. Up until them the staff is still looking to make a run this season. String together some wins, sure there was no future for this team, but winning could have saved their jobs. So until loss nine the season is not "over" so Geno stays two.
Two, based on everything that happened with bench - gate, I think McAdoo was dying to sit Eli and get Smith in the game. He wanted a chance to run his pop gun offense with Geno who is more mobile. John Mara even responded in the affirmative during the WFAN interview that McAdoo had an issue with Eli's mobility. Getting Webb ready was never a priority for McAdoo because he knew he would likely not be here next year if the loses kept coming and he wanted to start Smith to prove he was not the problem to save his job or audition for a future coaching job. He ensured Geno was number two, because the season was alive until loss nine and he wanted to play Geno anyway.
When the season was dead and Mara supposedly asked about trying to see other QB'S, McAdoo saw his chance to sit Eli and get Geno in. This was not exactly what ownership wanted, but McAdoo and Reese took the I would rather ask forgiveness than permission and put in their desperation play a QB a half plan which was rejected by Eli and allowed McAdoo the chance to live his dream and play Geno Smith as a hail mary chance to save his career. Now, as HC you could argue he can play any QB he wants, but this was a unique situation with the streak, the overwhelming love for one of the best of all time, and the fact that it seems clear, at least to me, that QB was not the main reason this offense is a league wide joke.
Long story short,McAdoo never really cared about changing the plan to redshirt Webb because it would not help the team win now or improve on offense to save his job.
Also, this team is one Giant cluster fuck. I for one am very happy a full house cleaning will be taking place. It is long overdue.
RE: What is the point of putting him out there in these conditions? Â
didn't need him in 2017 since they felt they would be competitive AND we never sit Eli anyway. Not saying this should be the plan but understandable with limited team practice time and since we probably aren't that good at developing QBs anyway.
The losing begins. It becomes a disaster. Disaster seasons call for changes; however when you have a moron coach and GM, the changes never came. Webb should have been brought up the priority list of things to do, but wasn't.
Finally desperation sinks in and the benching fiasco occurs. Out goes Eli, in goes Geno and some light commentary arises towards maybe seeing Webb. Finally...it takes a franchise to move mountains but somebody wakes up (Mara) and realizes and reminds people they drafted a rookie QB last May.
Out goes the moron coach and GM, in comes the moron DC who is probably lost in space trying to get ready as coach this week if he ever wants another job.
Webb conversation now bounces between practice squad and maybe being the #2. However, the only real #2 on this team is the big pile of shit everybody with decision-making authority keeps stepping in.
I emplore you...start playing Webb. The team's opportunities down the line are only better if you do.
I'm thinking of letting my six year old drive a car on the interstate Â
Finally, you are putting a green QB behind a semi-NFL line and having him throw to practice squad caliber WRs. What kind of evaluation do you expect to get from that?
I don't know, but if the offense puts up 10-17 points with Webb it tells me we really have three 3rd string QBs...
that way when he crashes and burns, a near certainty, Googs will shut up about him.
the dolt of a GM has never drafted a qb who stuck in the NFL even as a backup after stealing Mara's money on an initial contract but he found a diamond in Webb check.
if the FO has an ounce of brains a debatable proposition, ee are picking a qb #1 which means is a camp arm, cut and probably headed for a CFL tryout
-Drafted by a coach and GM who have been fired
-Repeatedly said by fired coach and GM that he isn't ready
-He was drafted as a project and not expected to play for a couple of years
-A 3rd round pick by a GM who has a history of failed 3rd round picks
-Comparable to Ryan Nassib who never amounted to anything
-A poor roster around him on offense which makes it difficult to evaluate him
-A poor offensive line, now with injury substitutions and reshuffling as well, which could get him killed, or at the very least stunt his growth if there is any to be had
-Not going to influence what the Giants do with the first round pick
-Even after being told by ownership to play him, he STILL isn't ready in practice
-Never took a snap from under center until 3 months ago.
-Rudderless offensive scheme, which will likely be completely different next year, so you're wasting your time having him go out and evaluate him in it....
I'm fine seeing Davis Webb play. That's totally fine.
But if he's not ready, he's not ready. And I don't want him thrown out there before he's ready to actually do something. Especially not to quench the thirst of the uninformed fans.
Ready doesn’t mean play well or win games. Ready means the guy can take snaps from under center, make some reads, and process what is happening. Maybe that doesn’t mean anything to some people but it does to the coaching staff and teammates or are beating themselves up on every play.
If he can’t do any of the above he has no business seeing the field.
Ready doesn’t mean play well or win games. Ready means the guy can take snaps from under center, make some reads, and process what is happening. Maybe that doesn’t mean anything to some people but it does to the coaching staff and teammates or are beating themselves up on every play.
If he can’t do any of the above he has no business seeing the field.
Exactly, this is pretty simple stuff.
No, I just want to see Webb throw a 4-yard pass when we need 6 yards Â
Ready doesn’t mean play well or win games. Ready means the guy can take snaps from under center, make some reads, and process what is happening. Maybe that doesn’t mean anything to some people but it does to the coaching staff and teammates or are beating themselves up on every play.
If he can’t do any of the above he has no business seeing the field.
Exactly, this is pretty simple stuff.
Agree, its pretty simple stuff. Lets see if he can do it...
But anyone thinking he is the future Just never saw him play st Cal
Next, this coaching staff is trying to win. Evaluating players when these coaches may not even be here next year is the last thing on their minds.
Finally, you are putting a green QB behind a semi-NFL line and having him throw to practice squad caliber WRs. What kind of evaluation do you expect to get from that?
Enough already.
Honestly I'd probably still draft a QB even if Webb played admirably in one of these bs games. But that doesn't make this "plan" by nyg any more palatable. But like someone else said maybe Webb truly is a nightmare under center right now. IT has happened before.
If I had to guess, I'd think they would grab a QB...just in case. It's the safe and maybe prudent thing to do.
saying eli was "shit" his first year is stupid revisionist history. he had a mediocre three games, followed by three very bad games, bottoming out against baltimore, then he looked sharp vs. pittsburgh, cincinnati and dallas.
That is not the point.
The problem is they did not take the last 8 weeks to get him ready. They did nothing to prepare this QB to play.
Even the last few weeks. Nothing.
The season is over. Has been for a while. They wasted valuable practice and playing time that could have been used to evaluate a talented QB.
Instead..."he isn't ready".
STFU with that.
Season was destroyed so you could argue the plan should have changed to start getting him reps to move up to number two.
Why would this not happen?
One, teams seem to put a lot of emphasis
on actually being mathematically eliminated. That ninth loss means a great deal to the players and coaches. Up until them the staff is still looking to make a run this season. String together some wins, sure there was no future for this team, but winning could have saved their jobs. So until loss nine the season is not "over" so Geno stays two.
Two, based on everything that happened with bench - gate, I think McAdoo was dying to sit Eli and get Smith in the game. He wanted a chance to run his pop gun offense with Geno who is more mobile. John Mara even responded in the affirmative during the WFAN interview that McAdoo had an issue with Eli's mobility. Getting Webb ready was never a priority for McAdoo because he knew he would likely not be here next year if the loses kept coming and he wanted to start Smith to prove he was not the problem to save his job or audition for a future coaching job. He ensured Geno was number two, because the season was alive until loss nine and he wanted to play Geno anyway.
When the season was dead and Mara supposedly asked about trying to see other QB'S, McAdoo saw his chance to sit Eli and get Geno in. This was not exactly what ownership wanted, but McAdoo and Reese took the I would rather ask forgiveness than permission and put in their desperation play a QB a half plan which was rejected by Eli and allowed McAdoo the chance to live his dream and play Geno Smith as a hail mary chance to save his career. Now, as HC you could argue he can play any QB he wants, but this was a unique situation with the streak, the overwhelming love for one of the best of all time, and the fact that it seems clear, at least to me, that QB was not the main reason this offense is a league wide joke.
Long story short,McAdoo never really cared about changing the plan to redshirt Webb because it would not help the team win now or improve on offense to save his job.
Also, this team is one Giant cluster fuck. I for one am very happy a full house cleaning will be taking place. It is long overdue.
Actually, that is one of the things you want to know. Especially if he keeps his eyes downfield looking to make a play while he does it.
amongst others...
The losing begins. It becomes a disaster. Disaster seasons call for changes; however when you have a moron coach and GM, the changes never came. Webb should have been brought up the priority list of things to do, but wasn't.
Finally desperation sinks in and the benching fiasco occurs. Out goes Eli, in goes Geno and some light commentary arises towards maybe seeing Webb. Finally...it takes a franchise to move mountains but somebody wakes up (Mara) and realizes and reminds people they drafted a rookie QB last May.
Out goes the moron coach and GM, in comes the moron DC who is probably lost in space trying to get ready as coach this week if he ever wants another job.
Webb conversation now bounces between practice squad and maybe being the #2. However, the only real #2 on this team is the big pile of shit everybody with decision-making authority keeps stepping in.
I emplore you...start playing Webb. The team's opportunities down the line are only better if you do.
That is not the point.
The problem is they did not take the last 8 weeks to get him ready. They did nothing to prepare this QB to play.
Even the last few weeks. Nothing.
The season is over. Has been for a while. They wasted valuable practice and playing time that could have been used to evaluate a talented QB.
Instead..."he isn't ready".
STFU with that.
He isn't ready.
Finally, you are putting a green QB behind a semi-NFL line and having him throw to practice squad caliber WRs. What kind of evaluation do you expect to get from that?
I don't know, but if the offense puts up 10-17 points with Webb it tells me we really have three 3rd string QBs...
the dolt of a GM has never drafted a qb who stuck in the NFL even as a backup after stealing Mara's money on an initial contract but he found a diamond in Webb check.
if the FO has an ounce of brains a debatable proposition, ee are picking a qb #1 which means is a camp arm, cut and probably headed for a CFL tryout
Cons:
-Drafted by a coach and GM who have been fired
-Repeatedly said by fired coach and GM that he isn't ready
-He was drafted as a project and not expected to play for a couple of years
-A 3rd round pick by a GM who has a history of failed 3rd round picks
-Comparable to Ryan Nassib who never amounted to anything
-A poor roster around him on offense which makes it difficult to evaluate him
-A poor offensive line, now with injury substitutions and reshuffling as well, which could get him killed, or at the very least stunt his growth if there is any to be had
-Not going to influence what the Giants do with the first round pick
-Even after being told by ownership to play him, he STILL isn't ready in practice
-Never took a snap from under center until 3 months ago.
-Rudderless offensive scheme, which will likely be completely different next year, so you're wasting your time having him go out and evaluate him in it....
Am I missing anything?
Yeah, throw him out there!
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Irrelevant.
.
So lets put out the guy that matters the least to you...
But you won't see much, and it won't be meaningful. But at the very least maybe it will shut some people up finally.
So lets put out the guy that matters the least to you...
That's all you've got.
That's fine, it's still not a reason to play a kid who isn't ready to play.
I'm fine seeing Davis Webb play. That's totally fine.
But if he's not ready, he's not ready. And I don't want him thrown out there before he's ready to actually do something. Especially not to quench the thirst of the uninformed fans.
Ha, what's magical about it? You either are or you aren't.
He's clearly not, and all the signs point to it.
Would you let a guy operate on you that hasn't finished medical school yet?
I guess Eli's not ready because we certainly have seen him struggle lately...
For fans, not so much apparently.
With that view at the helm, enjoy the next 2 years of Eli running the show...
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so, enjoy another week of Davis Webb not being ready.
With that view at the helm, enjoy the next 2 years of Eli running the show...
I will, thanks.
If he can’t do any of the above he has no business seeing the field.
And yet you wanted these guys to play Davis Webb and evaluate him. Good call.
If he can’t do any of the above he has no business seeing the field.
Exactly, this is pretty simple stuff.
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Ready doesn’t mean play well or win games. Ready means the guy can take snaps from under center, make some reads, and process what is happening. Maybe that doesn’t mean anything to some people but it does to the coaching staff and teammates or are beating themselves up on every play.
If he can’t do any of the above he has no business seeing the field.
Exactly, this is pretty simple stuff.
Agree, its pretty simple stuff. Lets see if he can do it...