NFT: Yankees offseason - what next?

in the rookie Torres. Starting Pitching should be the only concern.

No need to go and sign a second basemen when you have your own and possibly baseballs highest rated prospect expected to play there. Why would you block him by signing someone? Even if he is not ready at April they have a big league option to play there in Torreyes, and even Wade.

I think that a move of Headley is probably their primary goal this offseason.

I think they would LIKE to move Ellsbury- but with his no-trade and huge salary, it will be VERY hard to do, especially if Ellsbury continues to maintain that he wants to stay.

With that said, the addition of Stanton might break that dam- Ellsbury is now no more than the 3rd CF and the 3rd LF. He has almost no chance of getting sustained ABs now- and that MIGHT encourage him to get a list of teams that he would accept a trade to- but the amount of money the Yanks would have to eat on the deal might be prohibitive.

As other have pointed out, Torres will be the 2B in short order, though Wade and Torreyes will probably start the season there.

At SP, CC would probably be nice, but his likely contract ask (between $10 and 12M) would put the team right at or over the luxury tax line. The Yanks MIGHT have to lower their sights a bit to a vet who would be willing to take $5-7M. Another thing to keep in mind- there is the possibility that Adams might just run away with the 5th SP job, so whoever they bring in as a vet might have to be willing to move to the pen.

Another possibility MIGHT be that the Yanks explore what kind of trade return they can get for Betances. With DRob, Green and Kahnle now established as late inning options, the Yanks might examine what Betances could net them in a deal. As a potential closer candidate elsewhere, the return could be VERY strong.

I�m not sure trading him right now is the smartest thing. Of course you have to look into it but I�m guessing he�s at an all time but low level right now. They likely have to build his value back up. He�s more valuable to this team than any return he�d net at this point.

CC as a starter. Yes, injuries are a concern and every team has them. But German, Adams or Sheffield could fill in for a few games if necessary. German was already up and looked ok, while they need to know what Adams can do.

As far as 2nd base - Torreyes and Wade can do that if they think Torres need half a year at SWB.

Good Lord, do what they need to do to send Ells away even if it means eating 75% of his salary....

Biggest question, if they can unload Headley, can Andujar really play 3rd?

Would an IF of Bird, Wade, Didi, Torreyes be acceptable for a while should Headley find a new home and if Torres is not ready???????

In comment 13732275 rich in DC said:

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I think that a move of Headley is probably their primary goal this offseason. I think they would LIKE to move Ellsbury- but with his no-trade and huge salary, it will be VERY hard to do, especially if Ellsbury continues to maintain that he wants to stay. With that said, the addition of Stanton might break that dam- Ellsbury is now no more than the 3rd CF and the 3rd LF. He has almost no chance of getting sustained ABs now- and that MIGHT encourage him to get a list of teams that he would accept a trade to- but the amount of money the Yanks would have to eat on the deal might be prohibitive.

It wouldn't surprise me if Atlanta considered Headley. They need a stop gap at 3B for 1 year until prospect Austin Riley is ready. Headley would likely not cost much at all to obtain if the Braves take on his remaining salary. How about Headley for P Aaron Blair?

need a starter or two yet. Great shape they are in

We could eat half of Ellsbury's money and get some young pieces in return. We need a SP and maybe another bullpen arm.

They will try and move Betances, Headley, and Ellsbury if they can for something that makes sense, I think if someone were willing to take on about 25 mil of the money owed Ellsbury that the yanks may listen, Headley is a different story, he would be moved on a deal that the yanks feel upgrade them either immediate or for the future, he is on he is last year, so his contract is no longer an issue. Betances would need to bring back a top prospect. The other player that would actually make sense to move is Gardner, he is not going to be a part of the future, and if they are stuck with Ellsbury, they may finally feel that it is better to move him to free up playing time for Frazier.

The next thing is pitching, I think that they could look to package some of the above with a prospect of two for a top to middle of the rotation type pitcher, that is possible, signing CC seems to be a no brainer, a 1 year deal for 10 - 12 mil seems like something that may work, could be lower but with incentives also.

Other then that I think the focus will be on the next wave of players to fill out the roster, Clint Frazier, Glyber Torres, Tyler Wade, and Andujar would be the every day guys, and as far as pitching the next wave is Chance Adams, Sheffield, and Abreu. I think they will all get a close look and may get a shot at some point this season, the other thing we need to learn is about Tanaka and his health, the good news is he didn't opt out, the bad news may be why. Then there is Montgomery, can he take the next step, and Severino, can he repeat his last step. These are all important development for the Yanks.

A couple of wild cards to watch are Billy McKinney and Cave, they are guys that look ready or very close to prime time, they also could go in a deal.

In comment 13732364 micky said:

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need a starter or two yet. Great shape they are in

He�s got as good a shot as any for a bounce back year. Maybe Joes handling of him was an issue, who knows. I see no reason to trade him right now unless it�s a package deal to get rid of Ellsbury.

Have been in contact with the Yankees regarding Clint Frazier.

Is a starting pitcher and two "lower" prospects.

an OF.

Of interest to me, the Yanks have become RH-hitter dominant over these past few years. (Yes, I know that we still have Bird, Didi and Gardner, but nonetheless...) I suspect that this change is deliberate, given how the shift has taken away so much of the production of LH hitters. It's a wild thing, given Yankee Stadium's dimensions, but all of our RH power goes the other way VERY well, so that offsets the loss of lefty power somewhat.

In comment 13732427 Jay on the Island said:

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Have been in contact with the Yankees regarding Clint Frazier.

That's interesting. I suspect Frazier is a hot commodity now that Stanton is in pinstripes.

Yanks are in an enviable position in which they are not forced to do anything. With 3 teams bidding against each other for the services of Frazier, Cash could pull off another coup reminiscent of last years plunder that got them Torres, Sheffield, etc., as well as turned around and got Chapman right back.

Corbin as a trade target to complete the rotation. One year of team control left before hitting free agency and the Dbacks can't afford to resign him.

In comment 13732427 Jay on the Island said:

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Have been in contact with the Yankees regarding Clint Frazier.

Seriously doubt the Mets are serious contenders with what happened with Jay Bruce last season. Although, that wound up working out for the Yankees.

In comment 13732441 mavric said:

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In comment 13732427 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Have been in contact with the Yankees regarding Clint Frazier. That's interesting. I suspect Frazier is a hot commodity now that Stanton is in pinstripes. Yanks are in an enviable position in which they are not forced to do anything. With 3 teams bidding against each other for the services of Frazier, Cash could pull off another coup reminiscent of last years plunder that got them Torres, Sheffield, etc., as well as turned around and got Chapman right back.

I wouldn't get your hopes up for a big return. Out of those three the likeliest team to finalize a deal is Atlanta and they wouldn't give up Teheran for Frazier. The Yankees have asked about Foltynewicz in the past so he would probably be the return.

In comment 13732263 KJG5173 said:

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No need to go and sign a second basemen when you have your own and possibly baseballs highest rated prospect expected to play there. Why would you block him by signing someone? Even if he is not ready at April they have a big league option to play there in Torreyes, and even Wade.

I think Torreyes was extremely underappreciated last year. I'm fine with having him as a plan B

We've got two really exciting options at 2B.

But, in he unlikely event that Headley is traded, I wonder what our plans are for 3B. I don't think that Andujar is read yet, so do they bring in someone else?

� Use Andujar as the sweetener to move Ellsbury (and I do think he'll be willing to waive his NTC, at least selectively, due to how little he'll probably play here). I have serious reservations about Andujar defensively and he'd end up blocked if the Yanks are in on Machado next year anyway.

� Sign CC to a 1 year deal to fill out the rotation. No need to spend additional money beyond him for more depth - they'll have to rely on the farm for spot starts if necessary if they're serious about getting under the tax threshold.

� Trade Headley. Could use Tyler Austin or Jake Cave to package with Headley in order to get a decent (but low level) prospect back.

� Re-sign Todd Frazier. Maybe 2 or 3 years at ~$13-14M per year. He clearly made a huge impact with the team last year as a leader and is solid in the field with bottom of the order pop.

� See what Brad Hand would cost in trade. Chasen Shreve, Cave/Austin and Thairo Estrada? Is that too expensive? Or is it not even enough to get San Diego to the table?

� Hang onto Betances (for now). Trading him at this point would be a bad sell-low. Hope he restores his value in the first half of the season and then look to reload the system again by flipping him for prospects.

� Check in on potential upgrades for backup C. Romine is serviceable but it might make more sense to have a defensive specialist backing up Sanchez.

� Add Josh Paul to the MLB coaching staff. He was lauded for his work with Sanchez defensively in the minors and would be worth adding for that reason alone.

In comment 13732513 Gatorade Dunk said:

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� See what Brad Hand would cost in trade. Chasen Shreve, Cave/Austin and Thairo Estrada? Is that too expensive? Or is it not even enough to get San Diego to the table?

No chance San Diego accepts that offer.

2.8 WAR 2.16 ERA 79 IP 104 K's 0.933 WHIP. 27 years old

He's a decent utility guy but he doesn't walk, he doesn't steal bases and he has limited pop. Wade is a better defender, is much faster, and is much more patient; if he shows he isn't intimidated at the plate he's a much better option. I like Torreyes but he's not a first division regular.

And they can't sign CC and Frazier and get under the luxury tax. One maybe, and they'd probably need to unload Ellsbury or Headley to do it.

In comment 13732453 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13732441 mavric said: Quote: In comment 13732427 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Have been in contact with the Yankees regarding Clint Frazier. That's interesting. I suspect Frazier is a hot commodity now that Stanton is in pinstripes. Yanks are in an enviable position in which they are not forced to do anything. With 3 teams bidding against each other for the services of Frazier, Cash could pull off another coup reminiscent of last years plunder that got them Torres, Sheffield, etc., as well as turned around and got Chapman right back. I wouldn't get your hopes up for a big return. Out of those three the likeliest team to finalize a deal is Atlanta and they wouldn't give up Teheran for Frazier. The Yankees have asked about Foltynewicz in the past so he would probably be the return.

I don�t see the love for Teheran. He�s utterly average and the best you can say about him is he eats innings

He lost his control at the wrong time and they could not afford to have him work it out during a game. They had plenty of help when Kahnle turned it on and Robertson was lights out. So they could afford to let him sit.

And continue to make other fans on this place butt-hurt as hell? Haha.

ready (and loses a year of MLB service time, which I'm guessing is important to the Yanks). He's a perfect utility man, but he did fine filling in for Didi last year, and could certainly do the same at 2B this year.

Wade looked so overmatched at the plate last year that he has to prove something to me for me to consider him ready...not that he won't do so, but it's far from a guarantee.

But Wade could hit .230 and still be more valuable than Torreyes because he walks and steals bases.

He has one more year left, he's a switch hitter, a good veteran presence and with this lineup he projects to hit 8th. Just because Stanton is on board, it doesn't mean the Yanks need to be looking to make another immediate splash. Go to spring training and see what you have. They have young infielders on the way. They have Gleyber Torres, Miguel Andujar, Tyler Wade, Thairo Estrada and even Nick Solak to look at in camp. Torres, Wade and Estrada can all play SS/2B or 3B. The Yanks have young, cheap options and can be patient. They can always wheel and deal if the opportunity arises.

He has a market rate deal with one year left, if they want to shave salary he's easier to move than Ells, where they'd have to eat probably 75% and he has veto power. I'd be fine to keep Headley, but that was a trade-off they made with Stanton. Huge bat and star power, but limited money to address starting pitching.

In comment 13732491 yatqb said:

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We've got two really exciting options at 2B. But, in he unlikely event that Headley is traded, I wonder what our plans are for 3B. I don't think that Andujar is read yet, so do they bring in someone else?

Wade is actually one of the finest 2nd basemen in the minors and had a .310 BA, stole 26 bags, and hit 7 HR's at S/WB over 85 games played. He kind of flopped when given the opportunity to play at the stadium last summer, but don't underestimate his future.

Torreyes is a gutsy, hard nosed little guy that surprises on occasion, but he's not the future at 2nd. Most likely our utility infielder for the next few years. I suspect Wade beats him out in Spring training to start at 2nd base. They will wait until the June cutoff date before giving Torres a shot as it extends his option an additional year. But make no doubt about it, Torres will be in the lineup by all star break and probably settle in at 3rd or 2nd for the long haul. However, when we ink Machado next year (hoping), he takes over 3rd and Gleybor owns 2nd.

I would love to see us move Headley and find a way to keep Todd Frazier. Love the Todd.

in ST. But he looked overmatched last year, so he's got to show that he can hit at least a little to win that job.

In comment 13732748 yatqb said:

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in ST. But he looked overmatched last year, so he's got to show that he can hit at least a little to win that job.

Agree - the Yanks have high hopes for him. And he has that sweet LH swing. He might have been a bit star struck when he got the chance last season, but he'll outgrow that (knock on wood). Great glove, speedy, hits for average, etc. Could be the leadoff batter in the future if he can make the transition from AAA to the bigs

In comment 13732782 mavric said:

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In comment 13732748 yatqb said: Quote: in ST. But he looked overmatched last year, so he's got to show that he can hit at least a little to win that job. Agree - the Yanks have high hopes for him. And he has that sweet LH swing. He might have been a bit star struck when he got the chance last season, but he'll outgrow that (knock on wood). Great glove, speedy, hits for average, etc. Could be the leadoff batter in the future if he can make the transition from AAA to the bigs

IMO, I think that the Yanks want Wade to eventually claim a "supersub" role. He has played SS, 2B, 3B and even a little OF in the minors. He has speed, but no real power to speak of. He has good OBP skills and is reportedly solid defensively at multiple positions.

I think that the Yanks are trying to develop starters AND bench reserves who have a lot of positional flexibility.

I think that the Stanton deal is a good example of why. I don't think that the Yanks went into the off-season planning around Stanton- or to get him at the price they did. I don't think trading Castro was one of their planned moves. However, the situation arose and the offer was too good to pass up- so he was dealt.

If the Yanks had pigeonholed Torres for 3B, they would have had a problem- but they made sure that Torres got time at 2B, SS and 3B for a reason. Now, Torres is in the drivers seat to get the 2B job.

In comment 13732710 mavric said:

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In comment 13732491 yatqb said: Quote: We've got two really exciting options at 2B. But, in he unlikely event that Headley is traded, I wonder what our plans are for 3B. I don't think that Andujar is read yet, so do they bring in someone else? Wade is actually one of the finest 2nd basemen in the minors and had a .310 BA, stole 26 bags, and hit 7 HR's at S/WB over 85 games played. He kind of flopped when given the opportunity to play at the stadium last summer, but don't underestimate his future. Torreyes is a gutsy, hard nosed little guy that surprises on occasion, but he's not the future at 2nd. Most likely our utility infielder for the next few years. I suspect Wade beats him out in Spring training to start at 2nd base. They will wait until the June cutoff date before giving Torres a shot as it extends his option an additional year. But make no doubt about it, Torres will be in the lineup by all star break and probably settle in at 3rd or 2nd for the long haul. However, when we ink Machado next year (hoping), he takes over 3rd and Gleybor owns 2nd. I would love to see us move Headley and find a way to keep Todd Frazier. Love the Todd.

I think that too many are undervaluing Andujar at 3B.

If this were a year ago, I would have agreed that the defensive questions were significant enough to have a vet plan B. However, numerous scouts reported that as the season went along, Andujar's defense improved significantly and reports said that he was now likely ready to play at least an average defensive 3B in the bigs.

Andujar's bat would also be a significant help. While he does not walk a lot, he also does not K a lot. His power is developing into good power for a 3B- and playing in Yankee Stadium won't hurt either. He would make an excellent 7-8 hole hitter.

Torres should and will be the Yanks 2B for the foreseeable future. However, we should also be aware that Didi reaches FA in 2 more years. If Torres' bat proves to be as good as scouts think, the Yanks MIGHT consider making Torres the SS when Didi reaches FA and simply filling 2B within from their DEEP pool of middle INF in the system.

Still don�t think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but he�s a liability at third. He won�t DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesn�t have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier.

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In comment 13733140 Dang Man said:

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Still don�t think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but he�s a liability at third. He won�t DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesn�t have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier.

I don't agree. He's a 22 yo kid. There's plenty of time for him to develop. And I like his bat.

In comment 13733244 yatqb said:

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In comment 13733140 Dang Man said: Quote: Still don�t think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but he�s a liability at third. He won�t DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesn�t have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier. I don't agree. He's a 22 yo kid. There's plenty of time for him to develop. And I like his bat.

You never know. If he improves that much I�d be pleasantly surprised, but for a team that�s ready to compete now I�m not sure they have the luxury of waiting for his glove to get better. That doesn�t happen overnight.

I say why not give him a shot in earnest.

In comment 13733332 Dang Man said:

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In comment 13733244 yatqb said: Quote: In comment 13733140 Dang Man said: Quote: Still don�t think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but he�s a liability at third. He won�t DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesn�t have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier. I don't agree. He's a 22 yo kid. There's plenty of time for him to develop. And I like his bat. You never know. If he improves that much I�d be pleasantly surprised, but for a team that�s ready to compete now I�m not sure they have the luxury of waiting for his glove to get better. That doesn�t happen overnight.

Except that your belief isn't true. Scouts have reported that his defense is no ML ready. He is NOT a liability defensively.

"now major league ready"

In comment 13733373 rich in DC said:

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In comment 13733332 Dang Man said: Quote: In comment 13733244 yatqb said: Quote: In comment 13733140 Dang Man said: Quote: Still don�t think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but he�s a liability at third. He won�t DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesn�t have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier. I don't agree. He's a 22 yo kid. There's plenty of time for him to develop. And I like his bat. You never know. If he improves that much I�d be pleasantly surprised, but for a team that�s ready to compete now I�m not sure they have the luxury of waiting for his glove to get better. That doesn�t happen overnight. Except that your belief isn't true. Scouts have reported that his defense is no ML ready. He is NOT a liability defensively.

Provide a link? I�ve seen this from not one source.

Rich, you are a worthless troll. You tell people their opinion is wrong all the time and provide no evidence whatsoever. Regardless of the topic. You must be a real blast to hang out with.

Soooo excited!

1. Dump Headley and Ellsbury.

2. Field offers to drive up price for Frazier - then don't trade him.

3. tell Torreyes, Wade, Solak, Torres that the job at 2B is open for the winning.

4. Re-sign CC if he agrees to a "I have no cartilage in my knee" discount. If not, sign two arms to compete with our AAAA arms for that 5th spot.

5. Shop around for someone to challenge Shreve.

6. Shop around for someone to challenge Romine.

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6. Shop around for someone to challenge Romine.

What happened to Higgy?

In comment 13733463 Dang Man said:

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In comment 13733373 rich in DC said: Quote: In comment 13733332 Dang Man said: Quote: In comment 13733244 yatqb said: Quote: In comment 13733140 Dang Man said: Quote: Still don�t think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but he�s a liability at third. He won�t DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesn�t have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier. I don't agree. He's a 22 yo kid. There's plenty of time for him to develop. And I like his bat. You never know. If he improves that much I�d be pleasantly surprised, but for a team that�s ready to compete now I�m not sure they have the luxury of waiting for his glove to get better. That doesn�t happen overnight. Except that your belief isn't true. Scouts have reported that his defense is no ML ready. He is NOT a liability defensively. Provide a link? I�ve seen this from not one source. Rich, you are a worthless troll. You tell people their opinion is wrong all the time and provide no evidence whatsoever. Regardless of the topic. You must be a real blast to hang out with.

Well it helps my case tremendously that you are almost ALWAYS wrong and I am here to point it out.

Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it false- which is where the problem is- not with me, not with my statements, but because when you are wrong, you can't deal and refuse to admit it. Grow up.

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In comment 13733816 RasputinPrime said: Quote: 6. Shop around for someone to challenge Romine. What happened to Higgy?

I see him more as a replacement in the event either Sanchez or backup CA get injured. Maybe Boone will deal with catchers differently than Joe did.

and Headley (force Headley on them) for a young cost controlled top of the rotation pitcher. Not Torres but Frazier any of the AAA or AA pitchers, etc.

In comment 13733834 rich in DC said:

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In comment 13733463 Dang Man said: Quote: In comment 13733373 rich in DC said: Quote: In comment 13733332 Dang Man said: Quote: In comment 13733244 yatqb said: Quote: In comment 13733140 Dang Man said: Quote: Still don�t think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but he�s a liability at third. He won�t DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesn�t have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier. I don't agree. He's a 22 yo kid. There's plenty of time for him to develop. And I like his bat. You never know. If he improves that much I�d be pleasantly surprised, but for a team that�s ready to compete now I�m not sure they have the luxury of waiting for his glove to get better. That doesn�t happen overnight. Except that your belief isn't true. Scouts have reported that his defense is no ML ready. He is NOT a liability defensively. Provide a link? I�ve seen this from not one source. Rich, you are a worthless troll. You tell people their opinion is wrong all the time and provide no evidence whatsoever. Regardless of the topic. You must be a real blast to hang out with. Well it helps my case tremendously that you are almost ALWAYS wrong and I am here to point it out. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it false- which is where the problem is- not with me, not with my statements, but because when you are wrong, you can't deal and refuse to admit it. Grow up.

Pot meet kettle. And where�s this so called proof that scouts think his glove is major league ready?

Face it, you�re a little person who comes in threads to point out that people�s opinions are wrong. I�ve seen you do it to different posters time and time again. I�m glad it makes you feel better about yourself.

In comment 13733877 RasputinPrime said:

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In comment 13733819 section125 said: Quote: I see him more as a replacement in the event either Sanchez or backup CA get injured. Maybe Boone will deal with catchers differently than Joe did.

So you want to keep Higgy as a backup, backup. If Romine is so bad, get rid of him and bring Higgy up then get a AAA catcher or resign Romine when nobody else does...

you can't throw 10+ million around to guys like Todd Frazier, Headley or CC when you have young studs knocking at the door ready to show their goods. Getting those veteran guys off the books knocks 35+ million off the books.

More exciting to watch our young guys get a chance then these old tired veterans that are mostly average at best on a good day

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and Headley (force Headley on them) for a young cost controlled top of the rotation pitcher. Not Torres but Frazier any of the AAA or AA pitchers, etc.

Top of the rotation, cost controlled SPs aren't so easy to come by. Name one who would come so cheaply.

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you can't throw 10+ million around to guys like Todd Frazier, Headley or CC when you have young studs knocking at the door ready to show their goods. Getting those veteran guys off the books knocks 35+ million off the books. More exciting to watch our young guys get a chance then these old tired veterans that are mostly average at best on a good day

CC would be fine at $10-12 mill one year. They don't have money for Frazier, sadly.
I'd rather have Cobb than CC, but he'd cost too much.

might allow us to land Cobb. But I can't think of a team that would need him even at $5-7M a year. Can any of you?

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might allow us to land Cobb. But I can't think of a team that would need him even at $5-7M a year. Can any of you?

Good Question.

and practically free compared to CC's sucking 12 million for 4 innings a game and his DL vacation come July. CC did pitch beautifully against the Boston but lets not expect to catch that luck again. Dump him a year early and wish him good luck.

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and practically free compared to CC's sucking 12 million for 4 innings a game and his DL vacation come July. CC did pitch beautifully against the Boston but lets not expect to catch that luck again. Dump him a year early and wish him good luck.

Adams, maybe.
Sheffield too soon.

Green is a great BP arm, unless he develops two more pitches between now and April.

is a time bomb that is likely to go off again.

To me, Cobb or someone like him is the most important get this offseason. But I could see the Yanks landing someone of the ilk of Jaime Garcia on a one year deal to go into the season; not necessarily him, but a 5th starter type. And then trade for a big name later on if the season goes as we hope.

Imagine if we had landed Ohtani AND Stanton? Too bad, huh?

While he won't be dirt cheap, I seriously doubt money is the most important factor for him at this point in his career.

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While he won't be dirt cheap, I seriously doubt money is the most important factor for him at this point in his career.

To these guys, money is about pride...how can CC take less than mediocre pitchers get every day? Brady does it, but it's rare. That said, I'd rather have him at $8M than 12.

In comment 13733976 yatqb said:

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In comment 13733963 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: While he won't be dirt cheap, I seriously doubt money is the most important factor for him at this point in his career. To these guys, money is about pride...how can CC take less than mediocre pitchers get every day? Brady does it, but it's rare. That said, I'd rather have him at $8M than 12.

Because CC is a mediocre pitcher at this point. He is a weak 4 or and average 5. He is smart and has guts, but won't be able to get passed the 6th inning on any given night. 6 is all you can expect, but you aren't getting something better for less than CC.

That's why I'd prefer signing another starter as opposed to him. But the question is whether he'd be willing to sign on the cheap, or an incentive-based deal. I'm not sure he would, but it would be nice if he did.

by management about loving CC , singing his praise and telling fans that they want him back? I beleived we squeezed the last ounce of blood from him and he likewise sucked every dollar he could out of the Yanks.

I would be disappointed if they brought him back as any money spent on him has a huge risk of being poorly spent $especially with the quality talent we have that is ready for their chance. Its a great time to move on from CC.

that of the guys most likely to accept a 1 year-deal, Sabathia clearly looks like the best of that bunch. I know we're interested in Cobb, but if that doesn't happen, will the Yanks really try to get Arrieta or Darvish? Would they take a chance on Cashner? It really is slim pickings in the SP department.

than on CC.

I was kind of disappointed by our lack of catcher depth last year. Higgy looked awful and Romine's glove wasn't as good as it used to be.

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that of the guys most likely to accept a 1 year-deal, Sabathia clearly looks like the best of that bunch. I know we're interested in Cobb, but if that doesn't happen, will the Yanks really try to get Arrieta or Darvish? Would they take a chance on Cashner? It really is slim pickings in the SP department.

If they can dump Headley and Ellsbury to go after an Arrieta or Darvish that would be stellar.

Id like to see a SP, CC for one year, a left handed Relief pitcher, a back up catcher, a high contact 3B and Torres by June.

To me, Headley, Andjular, Frazier and Betances are all pieces Id like something decent to good back for if they are traded. Ells to me is just going to take AB from Wade or some talent up from the minors for a cup of development coffee. ON Ells I trust Cashman. Some one will lose an OF in spring training or April/May and it will happen for prospects or international dollars

If they can get another SP then rotating Adams and or a few others may be better than CC. To me, there are always SP injuries.

OTOH, the SP pitching outlook seems a lot different at the end of this year. Acevedo, Sheffield and others are coming this way.

I still think our peak is 2019. Between FA and the minors...I think the 2019-2020 team could be like the 1998 team

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In comment 13733963 shockeyisthebest8056 said: Quote: While he won't be dirt cheap, I seriously doubt money is the most important factor for him at this point in his career. To these guys, money is about pride...how can CC take less than mediocre pitchers get every day? Brady does it, but it's rare. That said, I'd rather have him at $8M than 12.

I've always said that it wasn't about "the money" as they make so much that they are set for life (and the next few generations of offspring) to live like a king.

The contract is nothing more than a "scorecard" used to hype one's worth on planet earth. A typical "A" player would normally settle for the average going rate, but they want to squeeze out more than Joe Shmoe who is also an "A" player to send a message that he is more valuable than his counterpart even though there's no friggin difference. The "scorecard" or "perceived cock length" is what really matters, not the actual need for money.

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In comment 13733834 rich in DC said: Quote: In comment 13733463 Dang Man said: Quote: In comment 13733373 rich in DC said: Quote: In comment 13733332 Dang Man said: Quote: In comment 13733244 yatqb said: Quote: In comment 13733140 Dang Man said: Quote: Still don�t think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but he�s a liability at third. He won�t DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesn�t have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier. I don't agree. He's a 22 yo kid. There's plenty of time for him to develop. And I like his bat. You never know. If he improves that much I�d be pleasantly surprised, but for a team that�s ready to compete now I�m not sure they have the luxury of waiting for his glove to get better. That doesn�t happen overnight. Except that your belief isn't true. Scouts have reported that his defense is no ML ready. He is NOT a liability defensively. Provide a link? I�ve seen this from not one source. Rich, you are a worthless troll. You tell people their opinion is wrong all the time and provide no evidence whatsoever. Regardless of the topic. You must be a real blast to hang out with. Well it helps my case tremendously that you are almost ALWAYS wrong and I am here to point it out. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it false- which is where the problem is- not with me, not with my statements, but because when you are wrong, you can't deal and refuse to admit it. Grow up. Pot meet kettle. And where�s this so called proof that scouts think his glove is major league ready? Face it, you�re a little person who comes in threads to point out that people�s opinions are wrong. I�ve seen you do it to different posters time and time again. I�m glad it makes you feel better about yourself.

I LOVE Internet tough guys. When they have nothing, they throw insults to make themselves feel like they are winning.

I can tell you with all due certainty that I DO know more than you about this- and when you find out how wrong you are, you will slink away and pretend that this never happened. That's what Internet tough guys do.

I can tell you this- when I tell you that you are wrong, it is because it is true- not to make myself feel better. If it makes you feel better to throw insults because you don't have any evidence to support your points, I really don't care. In the end, I am right, and you are not.

Go ahead and make another nonsense post about how I just tell everyone they are wrong. I don't care- it just demonstrates that you don't have any FACTS on your side and are using the posts as therapy.

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that of the guys most likely to accept a 1 year-deal, Sabathia clearly looks like the best of that bunch. I know we're interested in Cobb, but if that doesn't happen, will the Yanks really try to get Arrieta or Darvish? Would they take a chance on Cashner? It really is slim pickings in the SP department.

I think CC has something left- but he might not be the 5th best SP on this team. I think Adams is ready now- though having a vet option on hand would be wise. I also think that German and Sheffield would both be ready before the end of 2018.

As much as CC would be a great locker room guy, I think that it would be difficult to ask him to go to the pen or trade him when the younger guys are ready.

It might be best to simply make a trade for a vet #5 SP type who doesn't have a big contract- and can be shifted to the pen when the young guys are ready.

Andujar's defense was much improved. Source is Pinstripe Alley. Lets hope so though I want to sign Moustakas

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Bad rich. Bad, bad rich.

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That much progress at age 22 would likely project to at least being adequate (Headley plus) in 2018.


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was Didi's playful tweet to Aaron Boone asking if he was still the cleanup hitter.

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He has a market rate deal with one year left, if they want to shave salary he's easier to move than Ells, where they'd have to eat probably 75% and he has veto power. I'd be fine to keep Headley, but that was a trade-off they made with Stanton. Huge bat and star power, but limited money to address starting pitching.

Makes a lot of sense.

Ok

I don't have a horse in this race and no interest in a debate

But

That quote was about the time Andujar got sent back down.

Obviously encouraging the young man ...who we all hope improves. After all, he is young. But he also has played basic baseball for more than 6 years.

Read the last sentence:

"So now it�s, if we can get him to catch and to maintain his footwork toward his target, he�s going to be fine"

so in other words a basic critical motor skill is not yet consistent.

My submission is that you all violently agree.

1) The Yankees clearly say for his consumption and for the rest of the teams who would listen...that he has improved...sometimes ( not yet consistent)

2) In doing so the Yankees say what our eyes tell us that he is "still" a suspect infield defender if we are talking a potential MLB WS contender.

At 22 is basic defense still an issue for guys like Torres or any "sure fire" infield prospect for a championship team?

Ok...then he is still a prospect prospect?

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I think I saw this morning that Phil Nevin was named 3rd base coach. Two fun facts there: 1) Nevin and Boone were apparently High School teammates. 2) Nevin got picked before Jeter in the draft- because the Astros thought Jeter was going to be too expensive to sign.

I know Nevin has a lot of minor league coaching experience and was supposed to join SF and their 3B coach this season- BUT, he did have a rep as a bit of a hothead as a player.

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In comment 13734817 mitch300 said: Quote: Is Yankees bench coach. Was the bullpen coach for the dodgers the last two seasons I think I saw this morning that Phil Nevin was named 3rd base coach. Two fun facts there: 1) Nevin and Boone were apparently High School teammates. 2) Nevin got picked before Jeter in the draft- because the Astros thought Jeter was going to be too expensive to sign. I know Nevin has a lot of minor league coaching experience and was supposed to join SF and their 3B coach this season- BUT, he did have a rep as a bit of a hothead as a player.

Because someone will demand a link, here it is. Not only Nevin and Bard, but Harkey returns, according to Bob Nightengale.


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There are rumors (on sites like MLB Trade Rumors and ESPN) that SF badly wants a 3B- but has numerous other holes to fix without a lot of spending space. Maybe the Yanks can talk them into Headley if they send over a couple young minimum salary relievers or some middle INF prospects?

and Aaron Hicks is 28 with one good major league season under his belt. I wouldn't go so crazy with the being "blocked" stuff that I'd trade Clint already. If he can have a spring like Bird, Sanchez, and Judge had this year, he'll force his way into the team's lineup sooner rather than later.

Frazier isn't

Need a guy with great range to make up for the other two. Don't think Frazier can do that.

He's probably gonna get traded now.

Yes, you'd want a CF with plus range, but it's not as if those guys are Gary Sheffield out there.

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Need a guy with great range to make up for the other two. Don't think Frazier can do that. He's probably gonna get traded now.

Estevan Florial is being groomed for the CF position. He's still too green and needs some seasoning, but he's going to be a star in MLB. In a pinch, Wade can play CF and Hicks has some good range as well. Ellsbury is very expendable.

Frazier (Clint) will stay in the system unless the Cash can butt rape a team in need of a power OF. Just hope he never ends up in Boston.

No reason to rush Headley out of town before finding out if Andujar or Torres are ready to take over. What if they both struggle in the spring...who plays 3B? Keep Headley right where he is for now. If some team comes along and makes an offer that you can't turn down...then maybe you pull the trigger,

his OPS+ last year was actually an even 100. It was 90 & 91 the 2 years before that. He's not a plus player in any way. The sooner he's gone the better and they could use that money in 2018 for pitching.

are willing to eat about half of Ellsbury's deal in a trade. Might as well not even waste their time making calls.

at this point, the yanks will be hoping Hicks can come back and play at his pre - injured level from last year. he could be the perfect CF between judge and stanton. switch hitter with great glove, plus range with plus plus arm.

absolutely have to move elsbury and head into spring training with OF group of Hicks, Gardner, Judge and Stanton. can reasonably expect to rotate between all four, let Frazier force them to give him ABs and consistent playing time.

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Need a guy with great range to make up for the other two. Don't think Frazier can do that. He's probably gonna get traded now.

Are we certain that those guys will be the starting corner OFs (in AL parks)? I wouldn't want to play them at the same time.

Judge/Stanton will DH atleast 3-5 days a week combined

That mean Gardy/Hicks/Florial eventually for CF

Frazier is the backup corner OF

They're not. They're pretty good out there.

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They're not. They're pretty good out there.

They're not and I never said they were. I want Stanton to DH most of the time, especially if he's going to be here for the duration of his contract. As I said in the original trade thread, I want Stanton to look like 37 year-old David Ortiz/Edgar Martinez in 9-10 years instead of 37 year-old Albert Pujols.

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are willing to eat about half of Ellsbury's deal in a trade. Might as well not even waste their time making calls.

They could also try to do "offset" trades like they just did with Stanton- Castro partially offset the next two years. The Yanks could just take back a "less bad" contract in exchange for Ellsbury- assuming Ellsbury would waiver his no-trade clause.

Just as an example (NOT proposing, just trying to use two actual players as a hypothetical example), if the Yanks traded Ellsbury to the Cubs, they could take back Ben Zobrist. Zobrist has 2 years at $14M per (for luxury tax purposes- $29M in actual dollars) while Ellsbury has 3 years at $21.14, plus a $5M buyout ($70.5M for luxury tax purposes $68.5M left in actual dollars).

In this hypothetical, the Cubs would essentially be taking on only an additional $7M per in luxury tax for the next two years, then $21.9M in year 3- plus a $5M buyout in year 4. The Yanks could chip in an additional $21M ($7M per), making the first 2 years a wash financially for the Cubs and only $14M in year 3- plus the buyout.

This is just to illustrate an option. However, as we can see, it would involve the Yanks taking on a bad contract in return- though with a shorter deal like that, they probably could deal that contract away later.

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According to Buster Olney, the #Yankees are in contact with the Pirates in regards to Gerrit Cole. Can Cashman work more magic?

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Dan Federico‏ @RealDanFederico 9m9 minutes ago More According to Buster Olney, the #Yankees are in contact with the Pirates in regards to Gerrit Cole. Can Cashman work more magic?

Is this how Frazier ends his Yankees run?

I don't want that lying sack of shit on the Yankees.

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I don't want that lying sack of shit on the Yankees.

Hmmm why so?

I'm not huge on him either but he's got an arm.

Is this the lie? 19:08 vs 19:09? I googled negative stories on him and this is all I came up with


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So the Yankees went and used their 1st round pick on him...only for him then to totally refuse to so much as even letting the Yankees attempt to make an offer.
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it's silly at this point

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Thank you.

Don't want this guy.

I do have concerns about how Cole's numbers have been tracking lately. I'm not sure he's worth what it would take to acquire (Frazier+ in all likelihood).

It's not that he didn't sign with the Yankees. That kind of thing happens. The issue is that Cole and his father said that, while he intended to attend UCLA, he would be open to negotiation. Then they never so much as answered a phone when Cashman called. If they had said "Look, Gerrit is committed to UCLA and there isn't an offer you can make to change his mind", then the Yankees wouldn't have wasted their first round pick.

The least he could have done was listen. Couldn't be bothered.

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it's silly at this point

Be advised, forgiveness is not what I do best. Cole is a snake.

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In comment 13735814 Kyle in NY said: Quote: it's silly at this point Be advised, forgiveness is not what I do best. Cole is a snake.

Well you don't lack self-awareness at least :)

I don't want Cole, but not for those reasons

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It was interesting bc at the winter meetings, there were reporters from St Louis and LA who asked questions about why it didn�t happen with their teams, and a couple people from Miami asked for detail about what happened with the Marlins.

He sounded pretty good, but it was obvious he wasn�t happy with his interactions (or lack thereof) with Jeter and the new management, and he was not inclined to do them a solid and agree to St Louis or San Francisco. He didn�t do a very good job hiding his disdain for the Marlins front office.

A couple examples:

- he said clearly he gave his list of 4 approved teams he�d waive his NTC clause for before the proposed deals with St Louis and SF were made.

- When asked why he took the St Louis meeting despite them not being on his list, he said all he�s known is the Marlins, and he wanted to see how other organizations do business.

- When asked if he had a message for Marlins fans, he said hang in there, but maybe watch from afar for a while. Ouch

But he's been kind of middling for a while now. and he's got, what, two years until free agency?

I doubt that the Pirates would accept the prospects I would offer for him. Seems unlikely that a match can be found.

Maybe Chris Archer? He's at least battle tested in the AL East.

He showed enough promise to be the first pick in the draft and then backed it up by finishing 4th in Cy Young voting in 2015. So he has proven he can match potential with production. Since 2015, he had an injury plagued 2016 and an up and down 2017 in which he had stretches of dominance and other times got lit up (not unlike Tanaka last year).

If a trade can be worked out, the Yankees are getting a pitcher who would be a #3 or #4 starter at worst and potentially the ace of the staff if he returns to his 2015 form and builds off it. So he has both a high floor and a high ceiling. If it's a package of Frazier, Betances, and a mid-level prospect or two, it makes a lot of sense and doesn't hurt the payroll.

p.s.-Imagine if they could then land Hand? What kind of off-season would that be if they added Stanton, Cole, and Hand? It would surely take the sting out of missing on Ohtani!

and it's clear that his wealthy father called the shot on not talking with the Yankees. It sucked, I was pissed, but I can't hold it against an 18 year old kid whose father had all the power.

After all, Cole was a Yankee fan growing up; I can't imagine that HE decided not to even talk with them.

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In comment 13735799 Greg from LI said: Quote: I don't want that lying sack of shit on the Yankees. Hmmm why so? I'm not huge on him either but he's got an arm. Is this the lie? 19:08 vs 19:09? I googled negative stories on him and this is all I came up with Cole lied about delaying the start time of a baseball game once by 1 minute - ( New Window )

Shocking that you don't have any knowledge of 2008. Because you were what? 7? Maybe 8 years old then?

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He showed enough promise to be the first pick in the draft and then backed it up by finishing 4th in Cy Young voting in 2015. So he has proven he can match potential with production. Since 2015, he had an injury plagued 2016 and an up and down 2017 in which he had stretches of dominance and other times got lit up (not unlike Tanaka last year). If a trade can be worked out, the Yankees are getting a pitcher who would be a #3 or #4 starter at worst and potentially the ace of the staff if he returns to his 2015 form and builds off it. So he has both a high floor and a high ceiling. If it's a package of Frazier, Betances, and a mid-level prospect or two, it makes a lot of sense and doesn't hurt the payroll. p.s.-Imagine if they could then land Hand? What kind of off-season would that be if they added Stanton, Cole, and Hand? It would surely take the sting out of missing on Ohtani!

Milton, I know you've been high on Cole for a while, but you can't send an ace-level prospect package away in trade for a guy that "would be a #3 or #4 starter at worst" - there is almost no chance that the Yanks would score a bargain (in terms of trade value) for Cole, so they'd be paying full price for the upside and risking the downside on their own.