With the blockbuster steal of the decade with Stanton joining the Yanks, there are still holes to fill; mainly starting pitching and 2nd base.
The Yanks would be in fine position if they stood pat, but I doubt they will.
I expect a deal with CC, but the way pitchers go down during the season, I think the Yanks would be shopping for another starter. Hopefully, they give Chance Adams a shot, but that's rarely their style.
We can put Torreyes or Wade in at 2nd, but I think the Yanks want more punch there. Torres still needs seasoning before he comes up for more than a cup of coffee.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks sign CC, and shop for a SP for insurance and maybe a 2nd baseman. I'd love to see them sign Todd Frazier, but that's probably a pipe dream. He's an upgrade over Headley and can stand in at 1st if Bird falters or gets injured.
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Still dont think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but hes a liability at third. He wont DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesnt have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier.
I don't agree. He's a 22 yo kid. There's plenty of time for him to develop. And I like his bat.
You never know. If he improves that much Id be pleasantly surprised, but for a team thats ready to compete now Im not sure they have the luxury of waiting for his glove to get better. That doesnt happen overnight.
Except that your belief isn't true. Scouts have reported that his defense is no ML ready. He is NOT a liability defensively.
Provide a link? Ive seen this from not one source.
Rich, you are a worthless troll. You tell people their opinion is wrong all the time and provide no evidence whatsoever. Regardless of the topic. You must be a real blast to hang out with.
Well it helps my case tremendously that you are almost ALWAYS wrong and I am here to point it out.
Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it false- which is where the problem is- not with me, not with my statements, but because when you are wrong, you can't deal and refuse to admit it. Grow up.
Pot meet kettle. And wheres this so called proof that scouts think his glove is major league ready?
Face it, youre a little person who comes in threads to point out that peoples opinions are wrong. Ive seen you do it to different posters time and time again. Im glad it makes you feel better about yourself.
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I see him more as a replacement in the event either Sanchez or backup CA get injured. Maybe Boone will deal with catchers differently than Joe did.
So you want to keep Higgy as a backup, backup. If Romine is so bad, get rid of him and bring Higgy up then get a AAA catcher or resign Romine when nobody else does...
More exciting to watch our young guys get a chance then these old tired veterans that are mostly average at best on a good day
Top of the rotation, cost controlled SPs aren't so easy to come by. Name one who would come so cheaply.
More exciting to watch our young guys get a chance then these old tired veterans that are mostly average at best on a good day
CC would be fine at $10-12 mill one year. They don't have money for Frazier, sadly.
I'd rather have Cobb than CC, but he'd cost too much.
Good Question.
Adams, maybe.
Sheffield too soon.
Green is a great BP arm, unless he develops two more pitches between now and April.
To me, Cobb or someone like him is the most important get this offseason. But I could see the Yanks landing someone of the ilk of Jaime Garcia on a one year deal to go into the season; not necessarily him, but a 5th starter type. And then trade for a big name later on if the season goes as we hope.
To these guys, money is about pride...how can CC take less than mediocre pitchers get every day? Brady does it, but it's rare. That said, I'd rather have him at $8M than 12.
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While he won't be dirt cheap, I seriously doubt money is the most important factor for him at this point in his career.
To these guys, money is about pride...how can CC take less than mediocre pitchers get every day? Brady does it, but it's rare. That said, I'd rather have him at $8M than 12.
Because CC is a mediocre pitcher at this point. He is a weak 4 or and average 5. He is smart and has guts, but won't be able to get passed the 6th inning on any given night. 6 is all you can expect, but you aren't getting something better for less than CC.
I would be disappointed if they brought him back as any money spent on him has a huge risk of being poorly spent $especially with the quality talent we have that is ready for their chance. Its a great time to move on from CC.
I was kind of disappointed by our lack of catcher depth last year. Higgy looked awful and Romine's glove wasn't as good as it used to be.
If they can dump Headley and Ellsbury to go after an Arrieta or Darvish that would be stellar.
To me, Headley, Andjular, Frazier and Betances are all pieces Id like something decent to good back for if they are traded. Ells to me is just going to take AB from Wade or some talent up from the minors for a cup of development coffee. ON Ells I trust Cashman. Some one will lose an OF in spring training or April/May and it will happen for prospects or international dollars
OTOH, the SP pitching outlook seems a lot different at the end of this year. Acevedo, Sheffield and others are coming this way.
I still think our peak is 2019. Between FA and the minors...I think the 2019-2020 team could be like the 1998 team
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While he won't be dirt cheap, I seriously doubt money is the most important factor for him at this point in his career.
To these guys, money is about pride...how can CC take less than mediocre pitchers get every day? Brady does it, but it's rare. That said, I'd rather have him at $8M than 12.
I've always said that it wasn't about "the money" as they make so much that they are set for life (and the next few generations of offspring) to live like a king.
The contract is nothing more than a "scorecard" used to hype one's worth on planet earth. A typical "A" player would normally settle for the average going rate, but they want to squeeze out more than Joe Shmoe who is also an "A" player to send a message that he is more valuable than his counterpart even though there's no friggin difference. The "scorecard" or "perceived cock length" is what really matters, not the actual need for money.
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Still dont think he has a future on this team. His defense may have gotten a touch better but hes a liability at third. He wont DH but better serves this team as a trade chip for a starting pitcher. Headley is also under contract and will likely be the starting third baseman on opening day (he doesnt have muchbtrade value ) unless they resign Frazier.
I don't agree. He's a 22 yo kid. There's plenty of time for him to develop. And I like his bat.
You never know. If he improves that much Id be pleasantly surprised, but for a team thats ready to compete now Im not sure they have the luxury of waiting for his glove to get better. That doesnt happen overnight.
Except that your belief isn't true. Scouts have reported that his defense is no ML ready. He is NOT a liability defensively.
Provide a link? Ive seen this from not one source.
Rich, you are a worthless troll. You tell people their opinion is wrong all the time and provide no evidence whatsoever. Regardless of the topic. You must be a real blast to hang out with.
Well it helps my case tremendously that you are almost ALWAYS wrong and I am here to point it out.
Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it false- which is where the problem is- not with me, not with my statements, but because when you are wrong, you can't deal and refuse to admit it. Grow up.
Pot meet kettle. And wheres this so called proof that scouts think his glove is major league ready?
Face it, youre a little person who comes in threads to point out that peoples opinions are wrong. Ive seen you do it to different posters time and time again. Im glad it makes you feel better about yourself.
I LOVE Internet tough guys. When they have nothing, they throw insults to make themselves feel like they are winning.
I can tell you with all due certainty that I DO know more than you about this- and when you find out how wrong you are, you will slink away and pretend that this never happened. That's what Internet tough guys do.
I can tell you this- when I tell you that you are wrong, it is because it is true- not to make myself feel better. If it makes you feel better to throw insults because you don't have any evidence to support your points, I really don't care. In the end, I am right, and you are not.
Go ahead and make another nonsense post about how I just tell everyone they are wrong. I don't care- it just demonstrates that you don't have any FACTS on your side and are using the posts as therapy.
I think CC has something left- but he might not be the 5th best SP on this team. I think Adams is ready now- though having a vet option on hand would be wise. I also think that German and Sheffield would both be ready before the end of 2018.
As much as CC would be a great locker room guy, I think that it would be difficult to ask him to go to the pen or trade him when the younger guys are ready.
It might be best to simply make a trade for a vet #5 SP type who doesn't have a big contract- and can be shifted to the pen when the young guys are ready.
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Giancarlo Stanton, whos passed his physical and is officially a Yankee, is said by a friend to be very happy with how it turned out. Press conferrence is at 2 et tomorrow.
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Espada's thoughts on Andujar
How far has Andujars defense come? Hes come a long ways. I do spend a lot of time watching those guys on video. But I see more consistency in his overall body of work, the way his bodys working, his feet, his arm. Everything is moving forward. He looks so much better than he did in spring training...Whats his best asset defensively? Arm strength. And he catches the ball. So now its, if we can get him to catch and to maintain his footwork toward his target, hes going to be fine.
That much progress at age 22 would likely project to at least being adequate (Headley plus) in 2018.
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I don't have a horse in this race and no interest in a debate
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That quote was about the time Andujar got sent back down.
Obviously encouraging the young man ...who we all hope improves. After all, he is young. But he also has played basic baseball for more than 6 years.
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"So now its, if we can get him to catch and to maintain his footwork toward his target, hes going to be fine"
so in other words a basic critical motor skill is not yet consistent.
My submission is that you all violently agree.
1) The Yankees clearly say for his consumption and for the rest of the teams who would listen...that he has improved...sometimes ( not yet consistent)
2) In doing so the Yankees say what our eyes tell us that he is "still" a suspect infield defender if we are talking a potential MLB WS contender.
At 22 is basic defense still an issue for guys like Torres or any "sure fire" infield prospect for a championship team?
Ok...then he is still a prospect prospect?
I think I saw this morning that Phil Nevin was named 3rd base coach. Two fun facts there: 1) Nevin and Boone were apparently High School teammates. 2) Nevin got picked before Jeter in the draft- because the Astros thought Jeter was going to be too expensive to sign.
I know Nevin has a lot of minor league coaching experience and was supposed to join SF and their 3B coach this season- BUT, he did have a rep as a bit of a hothead as a player.
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I think I saw this morning that Phil Nevin was named 3rd base coach. Two fun facts there: 1) Nevin and Boone were apparently High School teammates. 2) Nevin got picked before Jeter in the draft- because the Astros thought Jeter was going to be too expensive to sign.
I know Nevin has a lot of minor league coaching experience and was supposed to join SF and their 3B coach this season- BUT, he did have a rep as a bit of a hothead as a player.
Because someone will demand a link, here it is. Not only Nevin and Bard, but Harkey returns, according to Bob Nightengale.
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He has a market rate deal with one year left, if they want to shave salary he's easier to move than Ells, where they'd have to eat probably 75% and he has veto power. I'd be fine to keep Headley, but that was a trade-off they made with Stanton. Huge bat and star power, but limited money to address starting pitching.
Makes a lot of sense.
There are rumors (on sites like MLB Trade Rumors and ESPN) that SF badly wants a 3B- but has numerous other holes to fix without a lot of spending space. Maybe the Yanks can talk them into Headley if they send over a couple young minimum salary relievers or some middle INF prospects?
He's probably gonna get traded now.
He's probably gonna get traded now.
Estevan Florial is being groomed for the CF position. He's still too green and needs some seasoning, but he's going to be a star in MLB. In a pinch, Wade can play CF and Hicks has some good range as well. Ellsbury is very expendable.
Frazier (Clint) will stay in the system unless the Cash can butt rape a team in need of a power OF. Just hope he never ends up in Boston.
absolutely have to move elsbury and head into spring training with OF group of Hicks, Gardner, Judge and Stanton. can reasonably expect to rotate between all four, let Frazier force them to give him ABs and consistent playing time.
He's probably gonna get traded now.
Are we certain that those guys will be the starting corner OFs (in AL parks)? I wouldn't want to play them at the same time.
That mean Gardy/Hicks/Florial eventually for CF
Frazier is the backup corner OF
They're not and I never said they were. I want Stanton to DH most of the time, especially if he's going to be here for the duration of his contract. As I said in the original trade thread, I want Stanton to look like 37 year-old David Ortiz/Edgar Martinez in 9-10 years instead of 37 year-old Albert Pujols.
They could also try to do "offset" trades like they just did with Stanton- Castro partially offset the next two years. The Yanks could just take back a "less bad" contract in exchange for Ellsbury- assuming Ellsbury would waiver his no-trade clause.
Just as an example (NOT proposing, just trying to use two actual players as a hypothetical example), if the Yanks traded Ellsbury to the Cubs, they could take back Ben Zobrist. Zobrist has 2 years at $14M per (for luxury tax purposes- $29M in actual dollars) while Ellsbury has 3 years at $21.14, plus a $5M buyout ($70.5M for luxury tax purposes $68.5M left in actual dollars).
In this hypothetical, the Cubs would essentially be taking on only an additional $7M per in luxury tax for the next two years, then $21.9M in year 3- plus a $5M buyout in year 4. The Yanks could chip in an additional $21M ($7M per), making the first 2 years a wash financially for the Cubs and only $14M in year 3- plus the buyout.
This is just to illustrate an option. However, as we can see, it would involve the Yanks taking on a bad contract in return- though with a shorter deal like that, they probably could deal that contract away later.