Reports this morning that the plan is for Eli to start rest of season. I was part of the camp like most that obviously did not think they handled Eli situation well. With that said, I fully support Macs intention of evaluating guys when you're 2-10. You got to Davis Webb an opportunity here. Some will say he's not ready- so what? It will help accelerate his development.
Yup, plus maybe they don’t want him playing behind backups on the OL and throwing to practice squad guys at WR
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don't think Webb is close to being ready to start or that he just hasn't progressed as hoped.
Yup, plus maybe they don’t want him playing behind backups on the OL and throwing to practice squad guys at WR
but fuck it...let Eli do it
Why is that different with Eli? Gee, I don't know - maybe because he has well over a decade of NFL experience?
It's not been a typical 2 weeks. The chaos of Eli 'benching' and then the coaches being fired is undoubtedly cauisng a hiccup in planning.
By the last quarter of the season Webb will be getting reps at #2, I have no doubt.
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don't think Webb is close to being ready to start or that he just hasn't progressed as hoped.
Yup, plus maybe they don’t want him playing behind backups on the OL and throwing to practice squad guys at WR
but fuck it...let Eli do it
Well, obviously there’s more to the equation than that with Eli - I agree with the idea the Giants want to save face with Eli to try and keep the door open to keep him here next year.
Just saying part of it could likely be they don’t think Webb is ready given all the factors
Giants should trade down and acquire draft picks with their high number one pick
It's like people just assume there's no learning curve at all for rookie QB's. Webb was thought to be a project from the day we drafted him. No one had him pegged as a guy who could just step right in and play. But now all of a sudden, several fans think he can.
This is a terrible situation to put a young kid in, especially if you feel he's more of a project.
Giants should trade down and acquire draft picks with their high number one pick
so Webb will not see any playing time or see the field til 2020? sounds about right
If that's true, just let Webb & the draft pick battle it out through camp.
Why?
Says who?
What does that even mean?
So, let's assume the Giants have the 2nd pick in the draft and select a QB in 2018... and they have been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, under your scenario they are **not allowed** to start their new QB to give him some game time?
So, teams that have made the playoffs and their position is locked - can't be changed - they are obligated to play their starters? And you think teams that have done otherwise many, many times in the past should be what? Fined?
And - we all know the answer to that is: "Of course that would be ok." (if that isn't the answer, then explain yourself)
And how is the above any different than having Webb play these last 3-4 games so he gets some valuable experience and the Giants get some game film on him?
I say you play the players you need to play that is best for your organization - and then expect those players to "play to win the game" (i.e. no player or coach should ever be on the field **trying to lose**)
But who you decide to dress or start - so long as its done for purpose of evaluating your talent or giving them playing time - is entirely legitimate.
But at 2-9 and Eli a part of the poor play, I m having trouble relating to the idea that some aggregious wrong had be perpetuated.
I get the optics of who did it, I even get how bad the Giants looked in the process.
But because of Eli s stature I don t see any scenerio where the move would have gone smoothly.
Eli made it pretty clear he s not ok with sharing time, so, what should they have done.
Don t see how you can be in the camp that Webb should play, and be outraged at Mara for what he wanted to do.
It's like people just assume there's no learning curve at all for rookie QB's. Webb was thought to be a project from the day we drafted him. No one had him pegged as a guy who could just step right in and play. But now all of a sudden, several fans think he can.
This is a terrible situation to put a young kid in, especially if you feel he's more of a project.
arc, how could letting him play the last 3 games not be good for his development? You think letting him getting the reps in practice and game time experience over the last 3 games would **hurt** him?
I don't see how game time experience - with appropriate preparation and planning - isn't always valuable.
I agree the Giants should definitely draft a QB regardless of what Webb does.
But wouldn't developing a game plan for Webb and practicing it all week - and then starting him and having him play the entirety of the last three games - provide him with invaluable experience? And who would it hurt to do that? Why **wouldn't** the Giants want to do that?
Yeah because Eli has been lights out this year. Besides the line isn't fixed, in fact it is worse; he has nobody to throw to; defense is a shell in the back 7.
They may luck into a win and will not have anything to do with Eli starting.
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Webb was not supposed to play at all this season. People keep forgetting that. The coaches were not preparing him to play this year. Talks of him playing only started a couple weeks ago.
It's like people just assume there's no learning curve at all for rookie QB's. Webb was thought to be a project from the day we drafted him. No one had him pegged as a guy who could just step right in and play. But now all of a sudden, several fans think he can.
This is a terrible situation to put a young kid in, especially if you feel he's more of a project.
arc, how could letting him play the last 3 games not be good for his development? You think letting him getting the reps in practice and game time experience over the last 3 games would **hurt** him?
I don't see how game time experience - with appropriate preparation and planning - isn't always valuable.
It's a terrible situation to put a young kid in - especially one considered a project.
You'd be playing him under an interim HC, with very few weapons and bad pass protection.
How much better do people think Davis Webb is going to be going forward if he plays in 3-4 games where he's running for his life on the majority of his pass attempts?
I really don't see Webb benefitting a whole lot by playing in this situation.
If he doesn't play these last 4 games, which he isn't, he's pretty much a wasted draft pick by a GM that drafted him who is no longer here.
If that was the outcome, I'd agree. But I have to assume a professional coaching staff is capable to preparing a game plan and scheme - designed for a young QB - to offset the difficulties of the OL. Even if it is running the ball 70% of the time - which allows him to throw the ball 30% of the time without a big rush ... gives him game time experience ... that Manning doesn't need and he does.
Shit - what else are these fucking games good for?
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How much better do people think Davis Webb is going to be going forward if he plays in 3-4 games where he's running for his life on the majority of his pass attempts?
If that was the outcome, I'd agree. But I have to assume a professional coaching staff is capable to preparing a game plan and scheme - designed for a young QB - to offset the difficulties of the OL. Even if it is running the ball 70% of the time - which allows him to throw the ball 30% of the time without a big rush ... gives him game time experience ... that Manning doesn't need and he does.
Shit - what else are these fucking games good for?
Nothing. These games are completely worthless and meaningless.
What are you implying? That it affects the real interests? The betting line?
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How much better do people think Davis Webb is going to be going forward if he plays in 3-4 games where he's running for his life on the majority of his pass attempts?
If that was the outcome, I'd agree. But I have to assume a professional coaching staff is capable to preparing a game plan and scheme - designed for a young QB - to offset the difficulties of the OL. Even if it is running the ball 70% of the time - which allows him to throw the ball 30% of the time without a big rush ... gives him game time experience ... that Manning doesn't need and he does.
Shit - what else are these fucking games good for?
Point is - I just don't think he's ready to play. And if that's the case, there's nothing to gain by forcing the issue.
McAdoo wasn't preparing him to play this year. None of this really started until a few weeks ago. Geno was still ahead of him on the depth chart.
I think fans want to see Webb more because it could give them something to feel good about if he makes a few plays, but aren't realizing that if the plan was not for him to play this year and he wasn't being prepared to play for 3/4 of the season, it's probably not beneficial to put him out there.
I don't think it helps him or anyone else.
I pray for Eli's health with the Oline he's working with, vs. the Phil and Dallas pass rush
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How much better do people think Davis Webb is going to be going forward if he plays in 3-4 games where he's running for his life on the majority of his pass attempts?
If that was the outcome, I'd agree. But I have to assume a professional coaching staff is capable to preparing a game plan and scheme - designed for a young QB - to offset the difficulties of the OL. Even if it is running the ball 70% of the time - which allows him to throw the ball 30% of the time without a big rush ... gives him game time experience ... that Manning doesn't need and he does.
Shit - what else are these fucking games good for?
Point is - I just don't think he's ready to play. And if that's the case, there's nothing to gain by forcing the issue.
McAdoo wasn't preparing him to play this year. None of this really started until a few weeks ago. Geno was still ahead of him on the depth chart.
I think fans want to see Webb more because it could give them something to feel good about if he makes a few plays, but aren't realizing that if the plan was not for him to play this year and he wasn't being prepared to play for 3/4 of the season, it's probably not beneficial to put him out there.
I don't think it helps him or anyone else.
This shouldn't be a situation where they are suddenly thinking about this for the first time now. And if it is - then the entire organization - from owners on down to ball boys - suck the big wazoo in an indescribable way. Talk about incompetence.
Both Reese and Ross are quoted as saying so.
If he's not ready to play, he shouldn't play.
Some of you guys seem to just think every young QB should play regardless of preparedness or circumstances.
That's not how it works.
Both Reese and Ross are quoted as saying so.
Yea, and plans change. Shit, I was vocal about them being in trouble when they lost the opening game for the 3rd time in 4 years. And when they went 0-2 they were statistically speaking already pretty dead in the water from a playoffs standpoint. It didn't take many more games after that to know the season was a fucking disaster.
It's like people just assume there's no learning curve at all for rookie QB's. Webb was thought to be a project from the day we drafted him. No one had him pegged as a guy who could just step right in and play. But now all of a sudden, several fans think he can.
This is a terrible situation to put a young kid in, especially if you feel he's more of a project.
The Giants were also projected to be a playoff team and not a2-10 team. Things change. Nobody thought they would have a chance to draft in the top 5 either and have to make a decision to draft a QB in the first round.
Britt, what does that mean "not ready"?
You can't mean physically, so you must mean mentally. He's a tad slow you're saying?