Need to see what he is. They're going to have a top 3 pick and need to use these last 3 games to evaluate Webb. That is the only reason they have to play these next few weeks.
The team consists of actual third stringers up and down the roster. Eli played well, the game was managed better then under bm, and the loss was to be expected. Spags will not be the HC next year and wasn’t going to come in and coach a route of the cowboys.
Day. Stout D that gets worn out and then gives up late big plays. Nothing from the offense. Can't run, and no downfield passing. Eli throws against six or seven defenders most plays. Need 10 plays just to get into FG range.
what i am about to say. i have loved eli his whole career and am a huge giant fan. having said that those of you that are eli fanatics need to understand that he is part of the problem right now. that doesnt mean he cant rebound, but for the last 2 years he has been a part of the problem, a big part. yes he has a bad o line and drops and bad running game, but great players make guys around him better and he can not do that at this point.
but when do we start to get concerned about the dropsies by Evan...he also needs to be more physical...OBJ is what, 5'10", and still outmuscles opposing DBs.
But just play Webb the last three games and see what the kid has
Eli’s feelings can’t be hurt any more than they were last week
And losing out is best for this organization
Dallas played back the entire game when your constantly
having to throw underneath bad things are bound to happen
to key 3rd down drops another key 3rd down was the non call
PI . It's been that way since OBJ went down we can't
threaten down field its that simple .
They also don't worry much about our run game because none
of our RB's threaten a defense to take it to the house .
Were over matched hung in for a while hoped for a win but
won't cry about a loss . It got ugly late to be expected
Duds JPP OV when did JPP go back to the club I really think whomever comes in has many decisions to make the
contracts to JPP OV are a huge problem I think the entire
OL except Flowers and Jerry contracts are expiring .
the Super Bowl if the Giants keep losing and Cleveland can pull off one more win then maybe the Giants will be the talk of the NFL for three months. #1 BABY!
the Super Bowl if the Giants keep losing and Cleveland can pull off one more win then maybe the Giants will be the talk of the NFL for three months. #1 BABY!
Dallas played back the entire game when your constantly
having to throw underneath bad things are bound to happen
to key 3rd down drops another key 3rd down was the non call
PI . It's been that way since OBJ went down we can't
threaten down field its that simple .
They also don't worry much about our run game because none
of our RB's threaten a defense to take it to the house .
Were over matched hung in for a while hoped for a win but
won't cry about a loss . It got ugly late to be expected
Duds JPP OV when did JPP go back to the club I really think whomever comes in has many decisions to make the
contracts to JPP OV are a huge problem I think the entire
OL except Flowers and Jerry contracts are expiring .
With Collins and OBJ coming soon .
Lots of question marks .
We need a big time RB Gallmans not bad but he won't scare anybody . The rest are Jags LB Goodson is good but he has to stay healthy or at least prove it but we need plenty of help there . Thompson is not the answer at FS either .
Have to add a pass rusher . I thought Moss would play a
lot more I like him .
Anyways couple games left before the punishment is over .
think webb should start the rest of the year to see what he has. if he does well enough then let him and eli battle it out next year. maybe trade our pick for players or more picks
JPP gives grief to the O and then the D cant cover the middle of the field.
OV did nothing today.
If the Giants have to eat some dead cap money next year to clear cap space in 2019 that’s fine by me. Way too much $$$ in OV and JPP.
Don't know what is OV's problem, but he did basically nothing except miss a very big sack.
JPP is in the same boat. His bad hand may be very bad but there just is no pressure from the DEs.
JPP gives grief to the O and then the D cant cover the middle of the field.
OV did nothing today.
If the Giants have to eat some dead cap money next year to clear cap space in 2019 that’s fine by me. Way too much $$$ in OV and JPP.
Definitely have to rethink JPP and OV the off-season, they are on the all-overpaid team! OV's cheap shot on Dak was his best QB hit of the year, pathetic!
about Spagnuolo on this thread are absurd. Were you expecting this interim coach to suddenly fix the teams woes? He inherited a broken team, with systemic organizational issues, with 2nd tier receivers and no-name backups in many spots, and people want him fired? I'm not a big fan as Spags as HC, but I wasn't expecting a drastic turnaround since he started on Tuesday.
what i am about to say. i have loved eli his whole career and am a huge giant fan. having said that those of you that are eli fanatics need to understand that he is part of the problem right now. that doesnt mean he cant rebound, but for the last 2 years he has been a part of the problem, a big part. yes he has a bad o line and drops and bad running game, but great players make guys around him better and he can not do that at this point.
Madden Brady couldn't win with this poor excuse for an offense!
JPP gives grief to the O and then the D cant cover the middle of the field.
OV did nothing today.
If the Giants have to eat some dead cap money next year to clear cap space in 2019 that’s fine by me. Way too much $$$ in OV and JPP.
Definitely have to rethink JPP and OV the off-season, they are on the all-overpaid team! OV's cheap shot on Dak was his best QB hit of the year, pathetic!
This!! The team can't get rid of OV quick enough IMO. Yes there would be dead money, but cutting him will actually save $$ against the cap next year. Unfortunately JPP will be around for at least another year with that albatross of a contract.
Snacks is the lone bright spot from the vaunted 2016 FA class at this point.
Needs evident this week are again QB SPEED at RB LB FS ...... Oline played ok today .....Engrams drops getting concerning ...I say Hope we get defense minded coach who brings in a real OC with an NFL offense.
Don't know what is OV's problem, but he did basically nothing except miss a very big sack.
Although his energy level at times left a bit to be desired, OV was going against the best left tackle in the sport. What was everyone else's excuse?
Quit making excuses. The first quarter especially, OV played over Collins whom was on the injury report all week with a bad back. I think it was the 2nd or 3rd play of the game and OV was rolled in the dirt for a 6 yard gain by Morris as he ran right over him. Like the teacher's pet getting rolled at recess in the 2nd grade.
If there is a franchise QB available. That’s for the Giants talent evaluators. Ask the Browns how they made out doing that!
Exactly. It's really amazing to me that some BBIers watched this season and are calling for the team to draft a guard or a RB with the #1 pick as if that's all they need to be competitive.
Quit making excuses. The first quarter especially, OV played over Collins whom was on the injury report all week with a bad back. I think it was the 2nd or 3rd play of the game and OV was rolled in the dirt for a 6 yard gain by Morris as he ran right over him. Like the teacher's pet getting rolled at recess in the 2nd grade.
That was an absolutely pathetic lack of effort on that play... perhaps the most embarrassing by any Giants player all season. What does it say that he still got closer to the QB more often than any of his other teammates?
Stop with the BS, Eli played fine and he had the team at 10-10 into the fourth quarter ,it was the defense and some major drops that cost the game today not Eli.
organization. Another wasted week. Instead of getting the rookie in there, we piss away another opportunity to evaluate him.
the plan was to evaluate the young guys and the fans and media revolted. The fans kicked and screamed for Eli and to fight for ugly meaningless wins. Idiot fans got their way. Don’t know what to tell ya.
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I think Defense gave up in the fourth quarter after the 6 time in a row our offense could not move the ball couldn't get the easy first down and punted
Eli was pathetic .. never looking down field just underneath throws .. skittish in the pocket .. not extended plays .. throwing high to receivers ALL day .
if Geno Smith put up the same numbers as Eli and played the same way as Eli.
everyone would be calling for Geno to be cut from the team..
Eli is done .. and the worst part is because of the drama that happen this week
Eli is playing the rest of the way where we should really be looking at Webb in serious way .
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I think Defense gave up in the fourth quarter after the 6 time in a row our offense could not move the ball couldn't get the easy first down and punted
Eli was pathetic .. never looking down field just underneath throws .. skittish in the pocket .. not extended plays .. throwing high to receivers ALL day .
if Geno Smith put up the same numbers as Eli and played the same way as Eli.
everyone would be calling for Geno to be cut from the team..
Eli is done .. and the worst part is because of the drama that happen this week
Eli is playing the rest of the way where we should really be looking at Webb in serious way .
Hi Ben, how are you coping with the job situation?
And rebuild that o line and rushing attack and maybe get rid of those clowns that allegedly are playing defense. Itbwill take a good gm and hc to turn this shit show around.
Got his hotdog in today. Would hate for him to throw those INT on an empty stomach.
Bright side, there will be no men or women weeping at dinner tonight.
The interceptions were thrown when the Giants were already down by 2 scores. Eli trying to make something out of nothing when the game was already lost.
Got his hotdog in today. Would hate for him to throw those INT on an empty stomach.
Bright side, there will be no men or women weeping at dinner tonight.
The interceptions were thrown when the Giants were already down by 2 scores. Eli trying to make something out of nothing when the game was already lost.
Agreed. Eli missed Ellison badly in the first half, but the drops were a much bigger problem.
Other than the Browns losing in typical Browns fashion Â
about Spagnuolo on this thread are absurd. Were you expecting this interim coach to suddenly fix the teams woes? He inherited a broken team, with systemic organizational issues, with 2nd tier receivers and no-name backups in many spots, and people want him fired? I'm not a big fan as Spags as HC, but I wasn't expecting a drastic turnaround since he started on Tuesday.
Spags is ordinary at best. He's never ever ever elevated this defense when it lacked depth or talent. Never. As in, NEVER. Seriously. Never. Don't believe me? Look it up. How'd they do in 2015 when the talent was shaky? They were absolutely awful. Not just bad but historically bad. How'd they do this year when the talent was ok or pretty good early on? They folded like a cheap suit.
Spags deserves the credit for 07 and 08 and that's it. He's done little to nothing ever since. Fact. Not opinion, fact.
Absofuckinglutely he needs to go too! You listen to him
AFTER the game, sounded like Coughlin was back in the house.
This organization is much much closer to the Browns then some
think, I can tell you that much.
Coaching strategy with the run game and defense to stop the run was good,
But Eli is not a dink and dunk QB. You have to let him throw some deep balls, of course you have to have someone who can catch them, and an OL that at least can allow some time. Eli needs to be freed from the restrictions of the Macadoo offfense, if only for 2 plays a quarter. Run the ball and give Eli a chance to be Eli. These fools can't catch the ball, punish them is some way.
DE''s better wake up and learn how to rich and contain. Snacks an amazing man, and our rookie is doing ok. Our leers have to get better street guys though they may be and hopefully we can patch up a secondary.
The fans kicked and screamed for Eli and to fight for ugly meaningless wins. Idiot fans got their way. Don’t know what to tell ya.
that's BS.
They ditdbt get Webb any extra work before they benched Eli or after. The week of the OAK game Webb was nothing but an observer once again.
Mara said flat out he wanted to get the young QBs in there. That’s when McAdoo concocted his proposal. This was well documented. Then after fallout Eli was inserted back in and when asked about getting young QBs in Mara said it was not a priority —only focus is winning games. And spags echoed the same.
Go Browns! Go 49ers!
And go Rams
Sheesh people.
...absolutely must find Eli's replacement.
I want Baker Mayfield and I don't care whether or not Eli is around to mentor him.
Doesn't mean shit.
Only one thing has any relevance anymore:
We need a new long term answer at QB.
Eli’s feelings can’t be hurt any more than they were last week
And losing out is best for this organization
...absolutely must find Eli's replacement.
I want Baker Mayfield and I don't care whether or not Eli is around to mentor him.
Doesn't mean shit.
Only one thing has any relevance anymore:
We need a new long term answer at QB.
Mayfield would set the franchise back 5 years. Please no.
having to throw underneath bad things are bound to happen
to key 3rd down drops another key 3rd down was the non call
PI . It's been that way since OBJ went down we can't
threaten down field its that simple .
They also don't worry much about our run game because none
of our RB's threaten a defense to take it to the house .
Were over matched hung in for a while hoped for a win but
won't cry about a loss . It got ugly late to be expected
Duds JPP OV when did JPP go back to the club I really think whomever comes in has many decisions to make the
contracts to JPP OV are a huge problem I think the entire
OL except Flowers and Jerry contracts are expiring .
I would focus on the O-line, if anything...then the running game.
Nope, they blew it against the Packers
having to throw underneath bad things are bound to happen
to key 3rd down drops another key 3rd down was the non call
PI . It's been that way since OBJ went down we can't
threaten down field its that simple .
They also don't worry much about our run game because none
of our RB's threaten a defense to take it to the house .
Were over matched hung in for a while hoped for a win but
won't cry about a loss . It got ugly late to be expected
Duds JPP OV when did JPP go back to the club I really think whomever comes in has many decisions to make the
contracts to JPP OV are a huge problem I think the entire
OL except Flowers and Jerry contracts are expiring .
With Collins and OBJ coming soon .
Lots of question marks .
We need a big time RB Gallmans not bad but he won't scare anybody . The rest are Jags LB Goodson is good but he has to stay healthy or at least prove it but we need plenty of help there . Thompson is not the answer at FS either .
Have to add a pass rusher . I thought Moss would play a
lot more I like him .
Anyways couple games left before the punishment is over .
I wanted this one
OV did nothing today.
If the Giants have to eat some dead cap money next year to clear cap space in 2019 that’s fine by me. Way too much $$$ in OV and JPP.
OV did nothing today.
If the Giants have to eat some dead cap money next year to clear cap space in 2019 that’s fine by me. Way too much $$$ in OV and JPP.
Don't know what is OV's problem, but he did basically nothing except miss a very big sack.
JPP is in the same boat. His bad hand may be very bad but there just is no pressure from the DEs.
Dropping ten passes in the second half. Did you watch the game?
OV did nothing today.
If the Giants have to eat some dead cap money next year to clear cap space in 2019 that’s fine by me. Way too much $$$ in OV and JPP.
Definitely have to rethink JPP and OV the off-season, they are on the all-overpaid team! OV's cheap shot on Dak was his best QB hit of the year, pathetic!
Again, did you watch the game today?
at least Eli wasn't getting knocked around and they ran the ball fairly well
I wanted this one
Of course you did. You're a die hard Giants fan who hates Dallas. In other words you're thinking clearly.
This game and the result was fucking disgusting. I'll hang on the draft pick but I badly wanted to win today.
Snacks was the one good D line signing by Reese.
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Again, did you watch the game today?
lady,he has been a to machine,has made nobody better and has been way over paid.
Madden Brady couldn't win with this poor excuse for an offense!
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JPP gives grief to the O and then the D cant cover the middle of the field.
OV did nothing today.
If the Giants have to eat some dead cap money next year to clear cap space in 2019 that’s fine by me. Way too much $$$ in OV and JPP.
Definitely have to rethink JPP and OV the off-season, they are on the all-overpaid team! OV's cheap shot on Dak was his best QB hit of the year, pathetic!
This!! The team can't get rid of OV quick enough IMO. Yes there would be dead money, but cutting him will actually save $$ against the cap next year. Unfortunately JPP will be around for at least another year with that albatross of a contract.
Snacks is the lone bright spot from the vaunted 2016 FA class at this point.
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The lift that Eli was supposed to give them??
Why are they playing so much, it certainly isn't due to their great production, face it, they are mediocre at best at this point, wildly OVERPAID!
Dropping ten passes in the second half. Did you watch the game?
Don't know what is OV's problem, but he did basically nothing except miss a very big sack.
Although his energy level at times left a bit to be desired, OV was going against the best left tackle in the sport. What was everyone else's excuse?
Played tough - no margin for error, then they erred
Then JPP is trying to fire the offense up - wtf?
Eagles are making me sick. They have a very talented roster and coaches all look like geniuses there now.
Dallas has played ok, but they too are fairly talented when healthy and the Redskins have some talent on their team as well.
Our new GM is going to have his work cut out for him. This off-season is going to be the most important in like 30+ years!
sadly, we probably don't. I don't see this team winning another game
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Don't know what is OV's problem, but he did basically nothing except miss a very big sack.
Although his energy level at times left a bit to be desired, OV was going against the best left tackle in the sport. What was everyone else's excuse?
Quit making excuses. The first quarter especially, OV played over Collins whom was on the injury report all week with a bad back. I think it was the 2nd or 3rd play of the game and OV was rolled in the dirt for a 6 yard gain by Morris as he ran right over him. Like the teacher's pet getting rolled at recess in the 2nd grade.
Exactly. It's really amazing to me that some BBIers watched this season and are calling for the team to draft a guard or a RB with the #1 pick as if that's all they need to be competitive.
Quit making excuses. The first quarter especially, OV played over Collins whom was on the injury report all week with a bad back. I think it was the 2nd or 3rd play of the game and OV was rolled in the dirt for a 6 yard gain by Morris as he ran right over him. Like the teacher's pet getting rolled at recess in the 2nd grade.
That was an absolutely pathetic lack of effort on that play... perhaps the most embarrassing by any Giants player all season. What does it say that he still got closer to the QB more often than any of his other teammates?
I think Defense gave up in the fourth quarter after the 6 time in a row our offense could not move the ball couldn't get the easy first down and punted
Eli was pathetic .. never looking down field just underneath throws .. skittish in the pocket .. not extended plays .. throwing high to receivers ALL day .
if Geno Smith put up the same numbers as Eli and played the same way as Eli.
everyone would be calling for Geno to be cut from the team..
Eli is done .. and the worst part is because of the drama that happen this week
Eli is playing the rest of the way where we should really be looking at Webb in serious way .
I think Defense gave up in the fourth quarter after the 6 time in a row our offense could not move the ball couldn't get the easy first down and punted
Eli was pathetic .. never looking down field just underneath throws .. skittish in the pocket .. not extended plays .. throwing high to receivers ALL day .
if Geno Smith put up the same numbers as Eli and played the same way as Eli.
everyone would be calling for Geno to be cut from the team..
Eli is done .. and the worst part is because of the drama that happen this week
Eli is playing the rest of the way where we should really be looking at Webb in serious way .
Hi Ben, how are you coping with the job situation?
Bright side, there will be no men or women weeping at dinner tonight.
Bright side, there will be no men or women weeping at dinner tonight.
The interceptions were thrown when the Giants were already down by 2 scores. Eli trying to make something out of nothing when the game was already lost.
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Got his hotdog in today. Would hate for him to throw those INT on an empty stomach.
Bright side, there will be no men or women weeping at dinner tonight.
The interceptions were thrown when the Giants were already down by 2 scores. Eli trying to make something out of nothing when the game was already lost.
Agreed. Eli missed Ellison badly in the first half, but the drops were a much bigger problem.
that's BS.
They ditdbt get Webb any extra work before they benched Eli or after. The week of the OAK game Webb was nothing but an observer once again.
Spags is ordinary at best. He's never ever ever elevated this defense when it lacked depth or talent. Never. As in, NEVER. Seriously. Never. Don't believe me? Look it up. How'd they do in 2015 when the talent was shaky? They were absolutely awful. Not just bad but historically bad. How'd they do this year when the talent was ok or pretty good early on? They folded like a cheap suit.
Spags deserves the credit for 07 and 08 and that's it. He's done little to nothing ever since. Fact. Not opinion, fact.
Defend Reese it's easier.
only if a chucklehead that thinks like this is in charge...
Why not? 3 games left; offer op to Sullivan and any other that wants to audition for HC; then appoint each or anyone a game.
Why not? 3 games left; offer op to Sullivan and any other that wants to audition for HC; then appoint each or anyone a game.
Absofuckinglutely he needs to go too! You listen to him
AFTER the game, sounded like Coughlin was back in the house.
This organization is much much closer to the Browns then some
think, I can tell you that much.
Why not? 3 games left; offer op to Sullivan and any other that wants to audition for HC; then appoint each or anyone a game.
9 punts 2 INT
But Eli is not a dink and dunk QB. You have to let him throw some deep balls, of course you have to have someone who can catch them, and an OL that at least can allow some time. Eli needs to be freed from the restrictions of the Macadoo offfense, if only for 2 plays a quarter. Run the ball and give Eli a chance to be Eli. These fools can't catch the ball, punish them is some way.
DE''s better wake up and learn how to rich and contain. Snacks an amazing man, and our rookie is doing ok. Our leers have to get better street guys though they may be and hopefully we can patch up a secondary.
Go Giants Fight for your jobs
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The fans kicked and screamed for Eli and to fight for ugly meaningless wins. Idiot fans got their way. Don’t know what to tell ya.
that's BS.
They ditdbt get Webb any extra work before they benched Eli or after. The week of the OAK game Webb was nothing but an observer once again.
And they are dropping like flies