Eli was bad today?

He played fine, but he'll be 37 in 3 weeks and we'll have one top picks in the upcoming draft in a QB heavy draft. We'll be taking a QB.

I think it was from the shock of him being so open!

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That was pretty brutal.

he never looked down field everything was short underneath
since he is so immobile he can't extend the plays EVERY

there were a couple of times where he let balls go when he felt phantom pressure

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were the WR screen he threw too high and allowed the DB to make the play and the pass to Engram that should have been PI, Illegal Contact or Holding.

Other than that, I thought he was extremely accurate.

with what we have on the field. That said its time to see what the rookie has because if not we are going to draft a QB and we should if we don't look at Webb. It is time to get prepared for the end of Eli.

Is there an argument?

I mean really?

drops and some defensive brain farts

In comment 13733628 adamg said:

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That was pretty brutal.

This was his one bad play. And I saw Ryan and Brees do similar errors on Thursday night. It happens. Of corse we need to find his replacement, but we don’t need to put every fucking loss on him like the anti Eli crowd would love to do.

In comment 13733637 Thunderstruck27 said:

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Is there an argument?

You think we scored 10 points because of Eli? You think another QB would have produced more with the same cast?

In comment 13733645 bradshaw44 said:

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In comment 13733628 adamg said: Quote: That was pretty brutal. This was his one bad play. And I saw Ryan and Brees do similar errors on Thursday night. It happens. Of corse we need to find his replacement, but we don’t need to put every fucking loss on him like the anti Eli crowd would love to do.

I agree. But if the point is that Eli is somehow not part of our failures, you're living under a rock. We need to move on from Eli.

No. Great? Also no.

could convert when it counted

then when he throws downfield INT

...it doesn't matter anymore about Eli.

He's now our past.

At #2 Baker Mayfield is our future.

is on Eli...the ball comes out weird on his passes.

But these next three games are probably his last as a Giant.

or what their expectations are.

10 points at home vs average defense and zero in second half. That is all that needs to be said.

In comment 13733647 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 13733637 Thunderstruck27 said: Quote: Is there an argument? You think we scored 10 points because of Eli? You think another QB would have produced more with the same cast?

Yes. I do.

In comment 13733647 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 13733637 Thunderstruck27 said: Quote: Is there an argument? You think we scored 10 points because of Eli? You think another QB would have produced more with the same cast?

Geno who sucks led them to 17 on the road vs a better defense

In comment 13733673 NYSports1 said:

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10 points at home vs average defense and zero in second half. That is all that needs to be said.

Great example of lazy analysis

He was pretty good in the short passing game. Too many drops to really gauge him. Nothing much downfield other than the one pass to Engram.

Honestly, Eli isn't very good right now but I'm not sure any QB in the league could make chicken salad from the chickenshit around him.

He missed Ellison in the 2nd(?) I think - the play where we had double trips and Ellison was wide open. Also threw behind Engram.

But overall - his WR's let him down more than anything. Some bad drops. Shep, Lewis.. couple of passes that should have been caught.

Look, to me - I think Eli is still capable if you can protect him and he's got Beckham back and you can run the ball.

He did miss a couple today - but his WR's also let him down. The first INT wasn't really his fault, either.

I still think you've got to take QB in this draft - but if starting Eli down the stretch here repairs that bridge and keeps the door open for him to be a part of our plans next year, it's probably worth it.

I think there were 3 major things that led to the disaster that this season was.. and I've said this many times...

1) McAdoo was a terrible playcaller
2) The staff failed to recognize the best OL configuration in camp
3) Injuries... Beckham especially.

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Geno who sucks led them to 17 on the road vs a better defense

THIS

there is a whole lot of stupid on these threads period .
while the game was tied in the 2nd half we had two 3rd down drops and a non PI call that stalled drives .
Cowboys sat back in coverage then entire game there was
few times when Eli could throw downfield .
The WR's rarely get separation as for the defense there
undermanned and they have Zero pass rush .
Can't wait untill they burn MacHandleys Denny's menu and
get back to Giants football strong run game with play action that gets on top early and allows the defense to tee
off and take chances early .

We are paying out at the QB position compared to the production we are getting is a rip off and anyone who doesn't think so has there ELI BLINDERS on. Go look at other QBs that make the same. Time for ELI to take huge pay cut so we can protect him or move on.

And he really doesn't have much help. There were some really key drops on big downs. And I thought he was changing the pocket really well.

The two INTs were in garbage time and he did miss on some easy throws.

I would say he was very average.

Doesnt prove anything for either side of the "Is Eli Done?" argument

With 2 outside WRs who belong on the practice squad?

Overall, he was better today than a lot of games this season. Not great, but very good. The drops were brutal.

But the criticisms of him that some of you guys invent are absurd.

compare Eli last two games to Geno's one game
a game where they was a media circus and Geno had not played a snap all year
Even with two fumbles .. Geno played better than Eli..

I have battled all season long with you on this. Stop making excuses for him. If he needs everything to be perfect then he will never again have success on this team.

in the NFCE.

easy...

Eli is difficult to evaluate right now - he's at his best when he can use play action and throw vertically. We can't do that with this line and these WR's. We have no vertical threat nor do we have good pass pro.

Run game wasn't bad and hasn't been bad - so there's that. But the other elements Eli needs to succeed just aren't there now.

Bottom line is that this team just isn't scoring points.

But he was no better than Geno Smith last week.

The conservative play calling no, you of thought Webb was playing. What did they have 90 seconds with the ball in the 2nd quarter and they run the ball.

with a cast of excellent players. But he offers nothing to this current Giants team. Geno sucks and offered a bit more and he also needs to not see the field. We need to start Webb the last 3 games to see if he has anything..He does not have to be great, he has to just show he has NFL intangibles that the Giants can use for a trade or to draft a non qb if they are not sure about the qbs coming out.

Webb deserves a shot to start a few games.

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Eli is difficult to evaluate right now

we can evaluate Eli because last week Geno played
with same players

Geno thew the ball downfield much more than Eli
Geno extended plays . he got the ball to our play makers better
and scored more points than Eli

please stop making excuses .. Eli is not good these days..

Drops. A few missed throws but...it happens.

But I'm 100% certain he's not the solution. The O needs a major rebuild, and that means a new QB because by the time it's rebuilt Eli will be about done. He may be about done now, but it's hard to be sure.

In comment 13733771 81_Great_Dane said:

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But I'm 100% certain he's not the solution.

this is perfectly said...

Defense sucked and so did the offense. Face it. The team has crap for talent.

In comment 13733717 OC1973 said:

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We are paying out at the QB position compared to the production we are getting is a rip off and anyone who doesn't think so has there ELI BLINDERS on. Go look at other QBs that make the same. Time for ELI to take huge pay cut so we can protect him or move on.

Other QBs arnt playing with practice squad receivers, with most of their best starting players out for the season, with a defense thats falling apart.. I swear people bitch about what Eli gets paid but have you seen how many drops, and fumbles there was today? Pretty sure Eli didnt throw it to himself and fuck up. Im not saying he isnt without faults but jesus he played a solid game, and 95% of the issues today wasnt on him. But hey im sure another QB coulda came in a wished the balls in the endzone with the same players we got now.

Eli loyalists set such a low bar. Every game he fails to make a few easy throws that an NFL qb has to make. To answer my question I don’t recall any easy throws Dak missed.

here is the fact
Giants fans would have crucified Geno if he put up the same performance as Eli did today ..

it is just amazing how blinded Giants fans are about Eli ..

In comment 13733781 tony71 said:

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In comment 13733717 OC1973 said: Quote: We are paying out at the QB position compared to the production we are getting is a rip off and anyone who doesn't think so has there ELI BLINDERS on. Go look at other QBs that make the same. Time for ELI to take huge pay cut so we can protect him or move on. Other QBs arnt playing with practice squad receivers, with most of their best starting players out for the season, with a defense thats falling apart.. I swear people bitch about what Eli gets paid but have you seen how many drops, and fumbles there was today? Pretty sure Eli didnt throw it to himself and fuck up. Im not saying he isnt without faults but jesus he played a solid game, and 95% of the issues today wasnt on him. But hey im sure another QB coulda came in a wished the balls in the endzone with the same players we got now.

Last year everyone was healthy and they couldn't score.

I’m as pro Eli as you can be and I think he was ok today but my Lord, Britt is almost entering complete ignore territory when it comes to Eli. We get it. Jesus Christ. Enough. What are you trying to prove at this point?