Eli was bad today?

In comment 13733765 giantfan2000 said:

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Quote: Eli is difficult to evaluate right now we can evaluate Eli because last week Geno played with same players Geno thew the ball downfield much more than Eli Geno extended plays . he got the ball to our play makers better and scored more points than Eli please stop making excuses .. Eli is not good these days..

I'd love to see a list of QB's who are succeeding with an offensive line that doesn't pass protect well and has guys like Roger Lewis and Darius Powe playing on the outside.

Like I said - it's very hard to evaluate Eli right now. It's not excuse making. I still think they should draft their guy in April. But the next guy won't be a whole lot better if this is what he has to work with.

but he's also not good. JAG is too harsh, but he's closer to that than elite.

Does the team get better if you keep Geno, or some other JAG, and spend cut Eli savings on other players? or do you just spend the money and hold on to Eli one more year? Either way, the starting QB is not dragging the team to victory on his back.
With a top QB draft pick, would it be right to put Eli through that season long debacle clamoring for a change every time we lose)? It's easy to say 'keep Eli as a mentor', but the shit show of last week very well may be childs play compared to what we could see next year.

Eli is not elite (any more), nor is he washed up. The true debate is where in the middle he lies and whether he should be brought back.

they both have no value...

I also don't necessarily agree that the offense needs a "major rebuild"

If they hit on an offensive lineman early in the draft and add one more guy in FA, I think they can fix the line quickly.

They looked pretty good before Fluker and Pugh got hurt. Bring Fluker back.

Healthy Beckham makes a huge difference. Engram is the real deal. Ellison is good. Gallman can be a part of the future.

Proper management can have this offense playing well as soon as next year.

pathetic

too but did manage a few more points.

that will help a lot.

What's the use? Put Webb out there and get his feet wet.....it's embarrassing watching Eli dink and dunk out there, week after week...

Sullivan's play calling sucks...

Second and one, Eli is in shotgun, and hands off to Gallman?

WTF? That was the time for play action and taking a shot downfield.....

that he's still playing in an offense that is the worst possible fit for his skillset, too.

Bring back an "East Coast Offense" looking for chunk plays, with management and coaches on the same page and you've got a QB. If you want a mobile dink and dunk guy, it's not Eli.

Which he has been for too long now.

were the uniforms. They were so refreshing and reminded me of Jints Camelot - most of the '80s and early '90s.

As for Eli, he was ordinary. He doesn't have the physical raw skills to lift up the play of other around him. On the other hand, the players around him have C level skills and they are being taught C level strategy.

He's going to be 37 and QB'd this team to a top 3 draft pick. Anybody with half a brain will concede that he's pissing into the wind with this roster but there isn't really much to discuss. I think there's merit to the argument that he doesn't offer much more tangible value than any other bridge QB. There are intangibles of course, but I don't see this roster being close enough to capitalize on those intangibles. Almost all of his future with this team is dependent on other factors than what he brings on the field.

from Britt at this point. Who is not a bad guy and is certainly above some of the stupidity I am seeing on these threads. But give it a break already.

This is the main problem with the Giants blunder this week. We are going to now have another outrage when they move on from Eli this offseason potentially. Instead of moving forward we will honor the past.

Might as well make next season like the Kobe Bryant final year: we are going to suck but pay homage to #10!

but he is also no longer a QB that will take you through the playoffs and to the superbowl. Why? At some point he will need to be outstanding during that stretch and I just dont see it anymore.

Anyone who would cite this game as evidence that Eli "still has it" or is not part of the problem is just so blind that it is pointless to discuss the subject.

It's like Rangers' fans who blindly insist Henrik is still the same.

If we start Eli or Geno. And that’s sad. I’d have a hard time buying we’d be any worse than 2-12 with Geno either.

Seriously, what is the point of this thread? So people will flock here to criticize Eli and you can huff and puff and tell them how stupid they are.

For fucks sake, man. You’re losing your mind and becoming a top 3 worst poster on this board. Just brutal. I’m embarrassed for you, really. You should seek counseling because what’s going on with you isn’t normal.

In the games Eli has started without Beckham this year.

Is having one of BBIs all time worst mental breakdowns right before our eyes. I’m legitimately concerned for him. I hope Eli has already filed an order of protection against him because this shit is bordering on Fatal Attraction levels.

Eli was 31-46 with 228 yards, 1 TD, 2 picks, generates 10 points, overthrew like crazy, and last week people on this board really thought Geno is a bad QB

This isn't his first "rush to BBI after a Giants loss to defend Eli" thread. He did it after the Eagles loss and called the board "idiots" in a fairly unhinged manner.

He's become a caricature on BBI. Same embarrassing path that dep went down.

Eli is a shell of his former excellent self. Enjoy his meaningless Swan song and look forward to 2018.

It's a legitimate question.

Also, I rushed to BBI to post this? I posted on the game thread throughout the game. I posted on BBI throughout the morning. It's all right there for anybody to see.

I don't understand the personal attacks. I haven't posted anything that warrants them.

Eli threw high on that Lewis screen.

Shitty through. Also missed players all day. Thought he played mediocre. Couldn't lead WRs at all.

In comment 13733826 Danny Kanell said:

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I’m as pro Eli as you can be and I think he was ok today but my Lord, Britt is almost entering complete ignore territory when it comes to Eli. We get it. Jesus Christ. Enough. What are you trying to prove at this point?

Amen to this post!

he at least defends his position and is consistent doing so.

Shock was just a battered child... :-)

you full well know what is going to happen. The pro Eli crowd will see a good to great player that is surrounded by crap.

The anti Eli crowd will rip him for 10 point outing.

The realists will see he did some decent things but he also misplaced plenty of balls and forced a few picks.

Its too bad the Giants were so dumb to commit this error, they could have moved on cleanly and now the howls are awaiting..........

Eli is not getting any younger. Time to get a franchise QB. Like he was once too.

In comment 13734042 Jimmy Googs said:

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he at least defends his position and is consistent doing so. Shock was just a battered child... :-)

Hey now, that’s a reach...

In comment 13733937 hassan said:

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from Britt at this point. Who is not a bad guy and is certainly above some of the stupidity I am seeing on these threads. But give it a break already. This is the main problem with the Giants blunder this week. We are going to now have another outrage when they move on from Eli this offseason potentially. Instead of moving forward we will honor the past. Might as well make next season like the Kobe Bryant final year: we are going to suck but pay homage to #10!

I don't think there will be another outrage the next time Eli is benched (permanently). The Giants fired the coach and GM who made the decision, and they put Eli right back in there, and the offense still looked completely impotent out there against a mediocre Cowboys defense, at home, and we lost to them. The fans will see the Giants righted their wrong, but it's just time to move on; add onto that one of top picks in the draft.

They're going in that direction whether the fans like it or not now. They threw the fans their bone due to how terribly the Eli situation was mishandled. That was then. There's no turning back now.

Just stop it already.

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So is Eli still done.... Britt in VA : 10/1/2017 7:19 pm You idiots? Or are you finally willing to concede the complete organizational failure? Eli put the team on his back today.... Drops, horrible tackling, a 15 yard punt.... Tell me all about 11-5 again. I love that story. Yeah, keep blaming Eli you fucking idiots. Run him out of town. You deserve the next guy, just like you deserve McAdoo.

But you're correct today's is a milder version. It's just hard to read it without being reminded of your (recent) posting history which you either

A) like to conveniently forget or
B) have convinced yourself is a positive contribution to the board

I'm the worst poster on the board?

Mentally unstable?

Okay, dude.... Keep telling yourself you're the rational one.

opined that you're "a top 3 worst poster", not necessarily the "worst".

In other words, there's still further for you to slide.

In comment 13734227 Britt in VA said:

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I'm the worst poster on the board? Mentally unstable? Okay, dude.... Keep telling yourself you're the rational one.

Yeah, seriously. Who do I have to sleep with to get noticed around here?

In comment 13734306 Sarcastic Sam said:

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In comment 13734227 Britt in VA said: Quote: I'm the worst poster on the board? Mentally unstable? Okay, dude.... Keep telling yourself you're the rational one. Yeah, seriously. Who do I have to sleep with to get noticed around here?

Eli’s taken, so maybe give Snacks a whirl?

Meh, I've disagreed with Britt on a billion things over the last however many years - but he's not even close to a "bad" poster.

I don't know about that. I don't care if the fans whine though. The fans are not the people who run the team. There are no sacred cows.

Team just flat-out sucks. He cannot (as Gisele so eloquently put it after SB 46, talking about Tom Brady) “throw the ball and catch the ball.”

In comment 13733971 Overseer said:

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This isn't his first "rush to BBI after a Giants loss to defend Eli" thread. He did it after the Eagles loss and called the board "idiots" in a fairly unhinged manner. He's become a caricature on BBI. Same embarrassing path that dep went down. Eli is a shell of his former excellent self. Enjoy his meaningless Swan song and look forward to 2018.

Well said on all fronts

In comment 13734117 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13734042 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: he at least defends his position and is consistent doing so. Shock was just a battered child... :-) Hey now, that’s a reach...

you know I love that...

Is no bad poster but maybe most annoying about Eli is a better fit. But he is clearly a decent guy so don't get the hostility.

The fixation has gotten to dep territory yes. But I don't see Britt attacking people like Dep.

And Btw. While no all star squad, engram Shepard and Vereen are not awful either.how many great weapons does la Rams or philly have? Seattle?

In comment 13734345 arcarsenal said:

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Meh, I've disagreed with Britt on a billion things over the last however many years - but he's not even close to a "bad" poster.

Agree, that he is not a bad poster, but he has to be the biggest asshole on this board. He must have naked pictures of Eric somewhere, because some of the abuse he dishes out is bannable in my eyes. I’m pretty sure he’s good friends Eric outside the board, so it’s always brushed over.

LOL, I mean - I don't think he's an asshole either. I haven't seen him post aggressive personal attacks towards people who disagree with him.

He's dug in hard on Eli and a bit stubborn - not an asshole, though.

I think Eli is at a point now where you won't really win with him unless everything else is in place. I don't fault him for this mess - but the more time passes, the more I think you're going to need to put around him to succeed.

This is definitely the right time to draft a QB. We can't look at Eli as a solution, but I wouldn't be against him grooming whoever we draft.

shocking revelation...

In comment 13733667 Britt in VA said:

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or what their expectations are.

Starting to reach dep levels on this.

Eli was great for this team. He'll always be a Giants legend. But the end is approaching quickly. He'll be 37 in three weeks whether you want to accept that or not.

I met Eric once in Albany 13 years ago. Don't have any outside correspondence with him, and don't even talk to him ON the forum.

The sh-t you read here....

but how come bad throws and INT's don't count when we are already losing?

Eli made a couple of good throws today and a few awful ones too. My biggest criticism at this point is that he's turned into Checkdown Charlie....90% of his passes are 5 yds or less. Is that him or the game plan? Who knows at this point.

It really is impossible to evaluate him fairly with this OL and these receivers though. But I don't see how you can say he played well either.

in the first round over, and over, and over again over the past couple of weeks.

It's not like I've advocated playing Eli until he's 50, like many here would imply.

Finally, this has mainly about respect, and the lack of it given to a Giants legend as his career winds down.

What we have here is akin to spitting on the guy on his way out the door.

In comment 13734460 Britt in VA said:

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in the first round over, and over, and over again over the past couple of weeks. It's not like I've advocated playing Eli until he's 50, like many here would imply. Finally, this has mainly about respect, and the lack of it given to a Giants legend as his career winds down. What we have here is akin to spitting on the guy on his way out the door.

Don't leave the site...we forgive you.

Would spit on me while paying me $20M a year.