That's the combined 2018 cap hit for Olivier Vernon and Jason Pierre-Paul. We're going to be spending roughly 20% of our cap on these D-grade DEs.... and we can't even cut them easily; JPP would have a $22.75m cap penalty and Vernon would be $12m.
And our current interim GM, cap guru, and possible future GM signed off on this deal....
OV would be an 11.5 million cap savings (8 million dead hit)
He sure was showing tons of energy and emotion while standing his sorry ass on the sidelines today. Too bad he didn’t bring it when he was on the field...
Snacks and that's it really. I hope he's the captain next year.
This shit was obvious about these players when we signed them. A lot less rationalizing going on now.
I'm assuming the numbers guy signed off on the numbers. Dunno why, I'm just feelin' frisky.
This shit was obvious about these players when we signed them. A lot less rationalizing going on now.
You look like a genius this year. Given we're stuck with these guys for the foreseeable future, I hope it turns out you're wrong yet.
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do you know Abrams signed off on the deal? You think as the numbers guy Abrams could step in and say "nope, we can't do this". He doesn't pick who to get, he just made the numbers work
I'm assuming the numbers guy signed off on the numbers. Dunno why, I'm just feelin' frisky.
So he should have made JPP and Vernon take less?
Reese and Mara decided to bring them back. Don't blame him because they had to pay the going rate. Jacksonville offered Vernon more money. Should Abrams have somehow convinced those guys to take less money?
Cap space has not been an issue for the Giants.
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In comment 13734081 MookGiants said:
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do you know Abrams signed off on the deal? You think as the numbers guy Abrams could step in and say "nope, we can't do this". He doesn't pick who to get, he just made the numbers work
I'm assuming the numbers guy signed off on the numbers. Dunno why, I'm just feelin' frisky.
So he should have made JPP and Vernon take less?
Reese and Mara decided to bring them back. Don't blame him because they had to pay the going rate. Jacksonville offered Vernon more money. Should Abrams have somehow convinced those guys to take less money?
Cap space has not been an issue for the Giants.
Maybe he should have figured that spending 20% of the cap on 2 players, with contracts that make it difficult to cut, would not be a good idea? Maybe?
Hell, if Eli stays, that's roughly 1/3 of the cap spent on 3 players.
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Where's everyone talking about pressures?
This shit was obvious about these players when we signed them. A lot less rationalizing going on now.
You look like a genius this year. Given we're stuck with these guys for the foreseeable future, I hope it turns out you're wrong yet.
lol GT would go 8-8 every year only spending $50 mil/ year. A lot of owners would love the profit he made them though.
You are approaching the Kingdom, closer still. On your game and feeling it. Is Dak Prescott bigger than Vernon? He seems to be stronger .
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Where's everyone talking about pressures?
This shit was obvious about these players when we signed them. A lot less rationalizing going on now.
You look like a genius this year. Given we're stuck with these guys for the foreseeable future, I hope it turns out you're wrong yet.
lol GT would go 8-8 every year only spending $50 mil/ year. A lot of owners would love the profit he made them though.
I don't agree with him. But it's hard to stand by that JPP contract right now.
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Where's everyone talking about pressures?
This shit was obvious about these players when we signed them. A lot less rationalizing going on now.
You look like a genius this year. Given we're stuck with these guys for the foreseeable future, I hope it turns out you're wrong yet.
It’s hard to give Terps too much credit here when he feels the same about any player in the league that makes over the league minimum. Brady, Rodgers and Von Miller are his ONLY exceptions.
But that shouldn't stop two of the shittiest posters on the board from continuing to add to BBI.
But that shouldn't stop two of the shittiest posters on the board from continuing to add to BBI.
We are all well aware of your team building aspirations. Your team would be League minimum choir boys, players that will somehow agree to sign with your team for half their value, trade any player with an ounce of talent before you have to pay them and spend 3 picks per year on mobile QBs so you can keep shuffling them around when they get injured and by drafting them every year you will never have to pay them when their contract is up. In other words, you’d be a cheaper version of the Cleveland Browns.
How’d I do?
But that shouldn't stop two of the shittiest posters on the board from continuing to add to BBI.
Aw thanks, you noticed!
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I've never advocated for paying only the league minimum, or spending less than the cap.
But that shouldn't stop two of the shittiest posters on the board from continuing to add to BBI.
We are all well aware of your team building aspirations. Your team would be League minimum choir boys, players that will somehow agree to sign with your team for half their value, trade any player with an ounce of talent before you have to pay them and spend 3 picks per year on mobile QBs so you can keep shuffling them around when they get injured and by drafting them every year you will never have to pay them when their contract is up. In other words, you’d be a cheaper version of the Cleveland Browns.
How’d I do?
Poorly, as ever.
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Contract. And that year they could have singed two FAOL for that. Thank God they passed on OL for a guy who wasn't even great in Miami.
You are approaching the Kingdom, closer still. On your game and feeling it. Is Dak Prescott bigger than Vernon? He seems to be stronger .
The Reese era is hopefully over. After 2018 both these guys can be gone
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I've never advocated for paying only the league minimum, or spending less than the cap.
But that shouldn't stop two of the shittiest posters on the board from continuing to add to BBI.
We are all well aware of your team building aspirations. Your team would be League minimum choir boys, players that will somehow agree to sign with your team for half their value, trade any player with an ounce of talent before you have to pay them and spend 3 picks per year on mobile QBs so you can keep shuffling them around when they get injured and by drafting them every year you will never have to pay them when their contract is up. In other words, you’d be a cheaper version of the Cleveland Browns.
How’d I do?
Poorly, as ever.
Actually, that's a pretty accurate summation of the different things you've advocated on here.
This shit was obvious about these players when we signed them. A lot less rationalizing going on now.
They were playing better last year and the year before that. That's worth mentioning.
I've wondered that. The team will likely not be competitive in 2018 so why not eat all the dead money next year and then resign Beckham and Collins?
And there were some damn good FA OL available that year. I can't complain. I was feeling damn good about the 2016 signings this time last year.
That is 60% of your cap...
Franchise OBj for 8.5M, and more than 2/3 of your cap goes to 7 players....
That leaves 1/3 of your cap for the rest of the team.....
Which means, the average salary for the rest of the players is about 1.5M....with 15 other starters with their hand out, looking for more than 1.5M, is it any wonder we have no depth on this team because they are just bodies playing for the minimum....
Thank you Jerry Reese...
you're absolutely right, we have no leaders on this team and we're playing like a rudderless ship, where is Keith Hamilton when we need him.....
This can still work, though. Draft or sign a good edge rusher, and move JPP inside on passing downs.
But Gettleman is more of the same and he hurts peoples feelings, so I dismiss this as noise.
He thought we were in a position to make a run. Turns out the offense was too big of a problem.
Now they're saddled with these huge DE contracts
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Contract. And that year they could have singed two FAOL for that. Thank God they passed on OL for a guy who wasn't even great in Miami.
And there were some damn good FA OL available that year. I can't complain. I was feeling damn good about the 2016 signings this time last year.
I wasn't really for or against it. He was good but never great for Miami. Local kid and a hard worker. And I think we all assumed Reese would have addressed the OL earlier than RD 6 this year. Both Engram and Tomlinson look to be good players but this team now needs like 3-4 OL this year w all the guys they may lose to FA
Its a mess
Thinking Vernon and JPP would provide a big pass rush was a mistake; JPP was a top pass rusher only once in his career (2011) and Vernon never was. Paying them like they're Von Miller and Khalil Mack was lunacy.
And I'm not saying that with hindsight.
The bad thing is that we can't get out now. We're stuck with them for 2018. I've read on a few posts how it's good that we can cut them before their contracts are up. It isn't good...it's just less bad.
I can't explain it, it's just an implosion from the inside.
New GM should ask JPP and OV to take pay cuts, and restructure Eli. Eli takes up far too much of the cap right now as well. If JPP and OV don't take the pay cuts then send them packing and eat the dead cap space.
I don't see the team being competitive in 2018, GM needs to think about being competitive in 2019 and beyond.
Wait...you and everyone else had the Giants competing this year and next.
These guys and their contracts ARE part of the reason we're not competing. How could someone not get that?