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Draft order - corrected

ray in arlington : 12/10/2017 8:41 pm
Thanks to shyster for seeing my error on the 3-13 possibilities.

Total wins by non-common opps in parentheses, including future games with automatic pickups. To pick ahead you want to get a smaller total (i.e. pickups are bad). Possible pickups from future games are in brackets.


We can project the tiebreaks with CHI and TB to go in favor of the Giants. Tiebreak is leaning in favor of DEN and IND vs NYG. Other tiebreaks (CLE, SF, HOU) are very close.


Note: I do not use a "if the season ended today" approach but rather include future automatic increases to SOS based on scheduling.



1. CLE 0-13 (NYG 105 CLE 106) [NYG can get 18 more, CLE can get 22 more]
2. NYG 2-11
3. IND 3-10 (IND 80 NYG 83) [IND can get 17 more, NYG can get 21 more]
4. SF 3-10 (NYG 65 SF 66) [NYG can get 14 more, SF can get 15 more]
5. DEN 4-9 (DEN 64 NYG 66) [DEN can get 11 more, NYG can get 15 more]
6. HOU 4-9 (NYG 80 HOU 80) [NYG can get 21 more, HOU can get 20 more]
7. CHI 4-9 (NYG 93 CHI 101) [NYG can get 14 more, CHI can get 12 more]
8. TB 4-9 (NYG 100 TB 113) [NYG can get 17 more, TB can get 15 more]

HOU pick traded to CLE.

Giants finish 2-14: Best pick #1, worst #2
Giants finish 3-13: Best pick #1 (#1 unlikely), worst #4
Giants finish 4-12: Best pick #2, worst #8 (#7 or #8 very unlikely)

BAL-PIT result does not change the numbers above.
A NE win over MIA would give HOU a pickup.
man i just want his year to end...stressing over winning any of these  
mphbullet36 : 12/10/2017 9:10 pm : link
games...just finish 2-14 please and lock in the #2 pick!
Some of these teams play each other. Barring ties there will be  
wgenesis123 : 12/11/2017 5:11 am : link
more wins for some of these teams. Would really like to see Indy get a win.
Ray  
Big Rick in FL : 12/11/2017 6:55 am : link
Say we win out. What's the worst pick we could end up with right now?
RE: Some of these teams play each other. Barring ties there will be  
ray in arlington : 12/11/2017 7:32 am : link
In comment 13734858 wgenesis123 said:
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more wins for some of these teams. Would really like to see Indy get a win.


Those games are:

DEN at IND (week 15)
CLE at CHI (week 16)
HOU at IND (week 17)



Keep on  
JonC : 12/11/2017 7:49 am : link
losing ...
RE: Ray  
ray in arlington : 12/11/2017 7:49 am : link
In comment 13734887 Big Rick in FL said:
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Say we win out. What's the worst pick we could end up with right now?


There are 4 teams with 5 wins (CIN, NYJ, MIA, WAS). None of these teams are playing each other.

The Giants cannot pick behind WAS - there are only 2 non-common opps

WAS: MIN, NO = 10 + 9 = 19 (6 possible pickups)
NYG: DET, TB = 7 + 4 = 11 (6 possible pickups)

So NYG has clinched better SOS. (Note that the Giants can finish 3rd, ahead of WAS, but they cannot draft behind WAS.
The tiebreakers for standings and draft order are different)

That leaves the question of whether the Giants have already clinched a lower SOS than NYJ, MIA or CIN. This would take some work on my part but I think it is safe to assume that hasn't happened yet, and so the Giants could pick no lower than 11th. This would change to 10th if MIA won tonight.
unfortunately  
stoneman : 12/11/2017 8:17 am : link
PHL is not an automatic loss now - in play now without Wentz.
Eagles will Beat Giants with Foles  
Alwaysblue22 : 12/11/2017 9:06 am : link
Eagles loss uncertain because Wentz is out? I beg to disagree. Because their defense is going to be tackling for the football and they will get Turnovers and defensive TDs. Remember who will be our QB behind a SHIT O-line.. Eli....who turns it over, or Webb.. a rookie who will turn it over .or the turnover machine Geno Smith. Couple that with the worst special team unit in the NFC. There are NO WINS left on our schedule. This team is going to finish 2-14 and that will be the WORST record in the entire history of this Franchise. Is there anyone who still wants to defend Jerry Reese and his ability to build a Roster? If Wentz cannot return for the playoffs then the Eagles hope for a Super Bowl will not happen when they play quality teams with better QBS. The Giants are not one of them, and unless they get it right THIS TIME they will never be one of them again.
RE: unfortunately  
The_Boss : 12/11/2017 9:12 am : link
In comment 13734951 stoneman said:
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PHL is not an automatic loss now - in play now without Wentz.


This NYG team cannot stop the run. Philly will try and pound us on the ground. They are #1 vs the run and get after the QB from the ends and DT’s. The NYG, as of late with Eli are good for a max of 10 points a game. Does this sound like a favorable matchup?
Notice I didn’t even mention anything about their potential passing offense deficiencies. It’s also not like Nick Foles hasn’t beaten better NYG teams in the past.
We have no shot.
as a 76er basketball fan  
Steve in South Jersey : 12/11/2017 9:18 am : link
I am sick of rooting for losses by any of my teams.

If the NYG are going to F this all up  
The_Boss : 12/11/2017 9:33 am : link
It’s going to be the last 2 games of the year. That Redskin game, in particular, at home scares me. They’ve packed it in for 2017 and have no incentive to play.
RE: If the NYG are going to F this all up  
allstarjim : 12/11/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13735088 The_Boss said:
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It’s going to be the last 2 games of the year. That Redskin game, in particular, at home scares me. They’ve packed it in for 2017 and have no incentive to play.


Assuming the Browns have all but clinched the #1 overall pick, I don't think it will matter, as long as the Colts can win one more.
IF  
old man : 12/11/2017 11:29 am : link
That list stays with those teams then Denver is the only other team in need of a QB...unless Indy is worried about Luck and wants >Brissett but they have greater needs.
Some interesting possibilities ...especially if Cleveland also wants the #2 and they are at #6 also and a bank of picks..or Denver maybe at 3 or 4 and likely a top 10 finish again next year for their first rd.
Given we are in pretty solid at the #2... just rolling out those scenarios.
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