then what was the point in hiring Acorsi? To make it seem like someone other than John Mara was making this decision?
probably. lets be serious, GM here is just a shield for the Mara family. So makes perfect sense that they would shield themselves from making the actual choice.
I'm not going to believe this yet based on BBV but If true, would be a huge shame to not even hear other people's vision. Also- he's been out of work for a year, who else is calling him?
Rooney Mara connection would make it almost an in-house move and Pittsburgh is a way more stable organization then we have ever been. They are consistently good.
RE: If they knew they wanted Gettleman from the beginning... Â
Then its status quo.
Ownership excessively involved; 2017= 1964. And no League help coming.
Giants could be the new Browns.
Also if true and unless there's another GM firing what's the rush? He'll be available as part of a real search...unless they hunted around and nobody wants it or will be allowed to interview.
In comparison Ernie Accorsi left the team when he was 66. How long do is he going to stay for? The Giants are a total rebuild. Will he even be GM past 3 or 4 drafts? He'll be in his early 70s by that point.
In comparison Ernie Accorsi left the team when he was 66. How long do is he going to stay for? The Giants are a total rebuild. Will he even be GM past 3 or 4 drafts? He'll be in his early 70s by that point.
Mara is a fucking wimp who is scared to take chances and go out of the organization. This move will ensure all these idiot scouts will be brought back too. Same shit, different year for the next few seasons coming up. Blame stubborn fool Mara.
I fail to see the upside of hiring a 65+ GM, not to mention rushing to the altar to do so before having the opportunity to interview guys who currently have actual fucking jobs.
That interviewed for the SF GM position last year but didn’t get it? Guy really seemed to know his stuff. He’s African American, bald and probably early 40s. I can’t remember his name for the life of me, but I was always impressed with his knowledge. Hope we at least talk to him unless he landed somewhere else.
That interviewed for the SF GM position last year but didn’t get it? Guy really seemed to know his stuff. He’s African American, bald and probably early 40s. I can’t remember his name for the life of me, but I was always impressed with his knowledge. Hope we at least talk to him unless he landed somewhere else.
That interviewed for the SF GM position last year but didn’t get it? Guy really seemed to know his stuff. He’s African American, bald and probably early 40s. I can’t remember his name for the life of me, but I was always impressed with his knowledge. Hope we at least talk to him unless he landed somewhere else.
Louis Riddick maybe?
YES!!! That was it, thank you. Is he with another team now?
That interviewed for the SF GM position last year but didn’t get it? Guy really seemed to know his stuff. He’s African American, bald and probably early 40s. I can’t remember his name for the life of me, but I was always impressed with his knowledge. Hope we at least talk to him unless he landed somewhere else.
Louis Riddick maybe?
YES!!! That was it, thank you. Is he with another team now?
Still with ESPN, but he's been a scout and Director of Pro Personnel with the Redskins and Eagles.
Did I miss something where the Browns have had even a mediocre GM in the past two decades? But if we hire a guy who has a better track record than any Browns GM I can recall, we're going to be a losing franchise?
Some of you guys just like to yell at the fucking sky for the hell of it.
What was the word on Gettleman in Carolina? I heard on the Lombardi podcast that he ran himself out of town because he didn't want to overpay some of the sacred cows, which went contrary to Richardson. Was that your read?
But the Giants could do worse. I don’t think the Giants want to go with some unproven new GM and be the team that gives him on the job training. It’s too critical of a juncture for the franchise. The new GM is going to immediately be faced with decisions that will shape the next 5-10 years of the franchise.
They know him, he's part of the "family," they're already comfortable with him.
It would not be good for them to continue with the same hiring practices that led them to this shipwreck. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Rushing into things and won’t even wait until after the playoffs. John Mara doesn’t have a clue about what he’s doing.This team needed to get away from everyone associated with the Coughlin and Reese era, but no, let’s bring back a guy who has done an awful job with Carolina. Absolutely sickening, These idiots wanted Acorsi’s opinion... for what? He worked wit Gettleman of course he’s gonna recommend him. John Mara really went out on a limb with that one.
Rushing into things and won’t even wait until after the playoffs. John Mara doesn’t have a clue about what he’s doing.This team needed to get away from everyone associated with the Coughlin and Reese era, but no, let’s bring back a guy who has done an awful job with Carolina. Absolutely sickening, These idiots wanted Acorsi’s opinion... for what? He worked wit Gettleman of course he’s gonna recommend him. John Mara really went out on a limb with that one.
He’s not my choice, but he didn’t do an awful job in Carolina.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
Jerry Reese Starters/Key Players Drafted 2013-2017
Justin Pugh (decent but injury prone)
Jonathan Hankins (good player, but no longer on team)
Odell Beckham Jr. (superstar, but injured)
Weston Richburg (decent but injured)
Ereck Flowers (bust)
Bobby Hart (not very good)
Landon Collins (superstar)
Eli Apple (bust so far)
Sterling Shepard (good player but injured)
Darian Thompson (just ok)
BJ Goodson (looks decent, but injury prone)
Evan Engram (big time potential)
Dalvin Tomlinson (good player so far)
Wayne Gallman (decent player so far)
Dave Gettleman Starters/Kay Players Draft 2013-2017
Star Lotulelei (good player)
Kawann Short (stud player)
A.J. Klein (decent role player, but no longer on team)
Kelvin Benjamin (very good player, traded after GM fired)
Kony Ealy (decent rotational player)
Trai Turner (stud player)
Tre Boston (good role player turned starter, but no longer on team)
Daryl Williams (decent starter)
Devin Funchess (#1 receiver, big time potential)
Shaq Thompson (good player)
Vernon Butler (bust so far)
James Bradberry (decent starter)
Daryl Worley (decent starter)
Christian McCaffrey (big weapon so far, big time potential)
Curtis Samuel (incomplete, but has potential)
Harrison Butker (very good so far)
I know Ed personally. He hears a lot but rarely posts because he doesn't consider himself to have a ton of good sources if he heard this it's probabaly from a Good source.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
Jerry Reese Starters/Key Players Drafted 2013-2017
Justin Pugh (decent but injury prone)
Jonathan Hankins (good player, but no longer on team)
Odell Beckham Jr. (superstar, but injured)
Weston Richburg (decent but injured)
Ereck Flowers (bust)
Bobby Hart (not very good)
Landon Collins (superstar)
Eli Apple (bust so far)
Sterling Shepard (good player but injured)
Darian Thompson (just ok)
BJ Goodson (looks decent, but injury prone)
Evan Engram (big time potential)
Dalvin Tomlinson (good player so far)
Wayne Gallman (decent player so far)
Dave Gettleman Starters/Kay Players Draft 2013-2017
Star Lotulelei (good player)
Kawann Short (stud player)
A.J. Klein (decent role player, but no longer on team)
Kelvin Benjamin (very good player, traded after GM fired)
Kony Ealy (decent rotational player)
Trai Turner (stud player)
Tre Boston (good role player turned starter, but no longer on team)
Daryl Williams (decent starter)
Devin Funchess (#1 receiver, big time potential)
Shaq Thompson (good player)
Vernon Butler (bust so far)
James Bradberry (decent starter)
Daryl Worley (decent starter)
Christian McCaffrey (big weapon so far, big time potential)
Curtis Samuel (incomplete, but has potential)
Harrison Butker (very good so far)
Gettleman and Reese are on different levels
Thanks for taking the time to list these for comparison. Pretty much proves the point - Gettleman may not give people the warm and fuzzies, but he’s got a track record of drafting very well.
Fatman posted this and Eric pointed it out in his preview Â
and I couldn't agree more. "What matters is not the type of changes made, simply that THE CORRECT changes are made."
Gettleman has an eye for talent and the b@lls to make tough decisions. I can get behind a guy like that. I don't like his age... I'd prefer not going through this process again in 3-4 years, unless the plan is to groom Abrams and elevate from within.
want him but don't hate it. Would prefer a total rebuild with someone new. As others have said, he's 66, and won't be in the role for very long. Hiring him as a draft consultant would be fine, but GM seems too much at his age.
RE: Fatman posted this and Eric pointed it out in his preview Â
and I couldn't agree more. "What matters is not the type of changes made, simply that THE CORRECT changes are made."
Gettleman has an eye for talent and the b@lls to make tough decisions. I can get behind a guy like that. I don't like his age... I'd prefer not going through this process again in 3-4 years, unless the plan is to groom Abrams and elevate from within.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
Jerry Reese Starters/Key Players Drafted 2013-2017
Justin Pugh (decent but injury prone)
Jonathan Hankins (good player, but no longer on team)
Odell Beckham Jr. (superstar, but injured)
Weston Richburg (decent but injured)
Ereck Flowers (bust)
Bobby Hart (not very good)
Landon Collins (superstar)
Eli Apple (bust so far)
Sterling Shepard (good player but injured)
Darian Thompson (just ok)
BJ Goodson (looks decent, but injury prone)
Evan Engram (big time potential)
Dalvin Tomlinson (good player so far)
Wayne Gallman (decent player so far)
Dave Gettleman Starters/Kay Players Draft 2013-2017
Star Lotulelei (good player)
Kawann Short (stud player)
A.J. Klein (decent role player, but no longer on team)
Kelvin Benjamin (very good player, traded after GM fired)
Kony Ealy (decent rotational player)
Trai Turner (stud player)
Tre Boston (good role player turned starter, but no longer on team)
Daryl Williams (decent starter)
Devin Funchess (#1 receiver, big time potential)
Shaq Thompson (good player)
Vernon Butler (bust so far)
James Bradberry (decent starter)
Daryl Worley (decent starter)
Christian McCaffrey (big weapon so far, big time potential)
Curtis Samuel (incomplete, but has potential)
Harrison Butker (very good so far)
Gettleman and Reese are on different levels
Very generous on that Panther list and exceedingly negative on the Giants.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
You're talking about players who were there when he got the job.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
Jerry Reese Starters/Key Players Drafted 2013-2017
Justin Pugh (decent but injury prone)
Jonathan Hankins (good player, but no longer on team)
Odell Beckham Jr. (superstar, but injured)
Weston Richburg (decent but injured)
Ereck Flowers (bust)
Bobby Hart (not very good)
Landon Collins (superstar)
Eli Apple (bust so far)
Sterling Shepard (good player but injured)
Darian Thompson (just ok)
BJ Goodson (looks decent, but injury prone)
Evan Engram (big time potential)
Dalvin Tomlinson (good player so far)
Wayne Gallman (decent player so far)
Dave Gettleman Starters/Kay Players Draft 2013-2017
Star Lotulelei (good player)
Kawann Short (stud player)
A.J. Klein (decent role player, but no longer on team)
Kelvin Benjamin (very good player, traded after GM fired)
Kony Ealy (decent rotational player)
Trai Turner (stud player)
Tre Boston (good role player turned starter, but no longer on team)
Daryl Williams (decent starter)
Devin Funchess (#1 receiver, big time potential)
Shaq Thompson (good player)
Vernon Butler (bust so far)
James Bradberry (decent starter)
Daryl Worley (decent starter)
Christian McCaffrey (big weapon so far, big time potential)
Curtis Samuel (incomplete, but has potential)
Harrison Butker (very good so far)
Gettleman and Reese are on different levels
Thanks for taking the time to list these for comparison. Pretty much proves the point - Gettleman may not give people the warm and fuzzies, but he’s got a track record of drafting very well.
None of those players from 2014 are on the team anymore. He's blown multiple first and second round picks. If the Giants had multiple drafts like this Eric's servers would be liquid.
with the Giants staying with guys who have been with the organization. By most accounts Gettleman is a good personnel guy and Mara knows what he is getting. If the Giants think he is the right guy...who am I to argue. I have seen 5 Giant Superbowls since I was 18. I am not in a position to really complain all that much.
but I think the Giants need to get out of their comfort zone for once. There needs to be a change in culture, that doesn't happen when you continually hire guys with ties to the organization.
Reese vs Gettleman comparison is all well and good. But Reese had a very good track record as a GM before 2013. So...while Gettleman took some good players in that time frame, it's a pretty small sample size.
pick. His resume is better than most other candidates we have. Those wanting to hire a "no name" are taking a big chance like with McAdoo. Also I have yet to see one coaching or GM candidate that BBI likes, which tells me know on has any idea. If Gettleman is the guy then lets get it done and move forward. We need consistency now.
pick. His resume is better than most other candidates we have. Those wanting to hire a "no name" are taking a big chance like with McAdoo. Also I have yet to see one coaching or GM candidate that BBI likes, which tells me know on has any idea. If Gettleman is the guy then lets get it done and move forward. We need consistency now.
I see your point, but I'm not sure the McAdoo comparison is appropriate. The problem with hiring McAdoo was that he had such a thin resume. 2 years as OC with the same organization, working under an offensive HC.
We forget that team brass runs into these guys all the time, so they are already going to have an impression of guys like Caserio and Wolf.
Seems to have been done without any analytical thinking.
It's all relationship based, as opposed to concept based. So. Whereas it may work, its obviously very limiting in terms of your number of prospects.
The idea of moving people up, assistant GM's, heads of scouting... Of course that would be risky in the absence of concepts, analysis, and thinking about guiding goals, stats and so forth. Or in the absence of insider information from other teams..
Well at least they did their due diligence and interviewed um well nobody. How can they hire Gettleman without waiting to interview candidates like Wolf, DeCosta, Caserio, etc. Mara needs to be more open to change. Sure the McAdoo hire didn't work out but that shouldn't prevent them from hiring someone with no ties to the organization. Great so the plan is obviously to hire Gettleman then when he retires replace him with Abrams.
that Caserio is willing to listen. Outside of that, we have no idea whether Wolf or DeCosta would even consider the opening. So...let's give Mara the benefit of the doubt. There might be general knowledge within the football world that guys like Wolf and DeCosta are untouchable...we don't really know. They haven't interviewed anywhere else...ever.
that Caserio is willing to listen. Outside of that, we have no idea whether Wolf or DeCosta would even consider the opening. So...let's give Mara the benefit of the doubt. There might be general knowledge within the football world that guys like Wolf and DeCosta are untouchable...we don't really know. They haven't interviewed anywhere else...ever.
why in the world should we give this ownership the benefit of the doubt? the last signficant hire they made was another insider candidate who turned out to be a disaster.
and what in the world is the rush? there's no other currently open GM job that they're competing with. and even if there was, this would be the plum job to get - a chance to hire your own coach and a top two draft pick with an organization that doesn't hesitate to spend money. as other posters have said, maybe a professional approach that involves a thorough analysis of the Giants organization might be in order, as opposed to just calling up Ernie and asking him which of his buddies he likes best.
Sorry - just saw this now - I've addressed this on some of the other threads though:
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What was the word on Gettleman in Carolina? I heard on the Lombardi podcast that he ran himself out of town because he didn't want to overpay some of the sacred cows, which went contrary to Richardson. Was that your read?
Not my first choice
Behind the scenes, Jerry richardson was on board with letting Smith and Williams go - he just didn't want to be the bad guy - so Gettleman was happy to oblige. Where things went south is when Gettleman was looking at what to do with Olsen and Thomas Davis. He explored options of trading, restructuring and releasing them and the two guys complained to Richardson, and being his favorite players, they won and Gettleman lost.
But Richardson hasn't made many good decisions since his heart transplant. He took control away from the one son who actually had a decent football mind and he's had some really odd press conferences where he appears nearly out of it - and word is, he often is.
I don't hold the Carolina situation against Gettleman - in fact, it strengthens his reputation as being a hard-nosed GM, IMO.
Gettleman has a vey good record in the two most important areas a gm has to deal with - evaluating talent and managing the cap. A good example of his drafting success was selecting James Bradberry late in the 2nd round - a small school corner who has played better than some first round picks that year (including our own).
We don't really expect more OLers sitting passively on their heels waiting for attacking DLs and LBs and the quick short just in time dump off pass 'as a run'.
Could be worse
Let's see.
Could be worse
Let's see.
Mehhh is accurate. Not too sure how to feel about it.
probably. lets be serious, GM here is just a shield for the Mara family. So makes perfect sense that they would shield themselves from making the actual choice.
Probably to slip Ernie a nice Consultant's fee for Christmas.
Ownership excessively involved; 2017= 1964. And no League help coming.
Giants could be the new Browns.
Also if true and unless there's another GM firing what's the rush? He'll be available as part of a real search...unless they hunted around and nobody wants it or will be allowed to interview.
He’s GM in name only. We know the real GM
Giants have had success promoting from within and Gettleman fits that criteria
I d also be ok with Schwartz as coach.
Those criticizing Mara for having the final word on a GM hiring, must not understand the role of a C. E. O.
Unless these guys are really just public faces while Chris Mara (mis)manages the roster.
Louis Riddick maybe?
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That interviewed for the SF GM position last year but didn’t get it? Guy really seemed to know his stuff. He’s African American, bald and probably early 40s. I can’t remember his name for the life of me, but I was always impressed with his knowledge. Hope we at least talk to him unless he landed somewhere else.
Louis Riddick maybe?
YES!!! That was it, thank you. Is he with another team now?
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That interviewed for the SF GM position last year but didn’t get it? Guy really seemed to know his stuff. He’s African American, bald and probably early 40s. I can’t remember his name for the life of me, but I was always impressed with his knowledge. Hope we at least talk to him unless he landed somewhere else.
Louis Riddick maybe?
YES!!! That was it, thank you. Is he with another team now?
Still with ESPN, but he's been a scout and Director of Pro Personnel with the Redskins and Eagles.
Does Slade have an account there too lol.
Right. Because if we are going to bungle the draft, we might as well go full on rug and start blowing first rounders as well.
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He's already around anyway.
Right. Because if we are going to bungle the draft, we might as well go full on rug and start blowing first rounders as well.
Gettleman's just as guilty of that so far. At least The Toupee knows QB prospects.
The "new Browns"??
Did I miss something where the Browns have had even a mediocre GM in the past two decades? But if we hire a guy who has a better track record than any Browns GM I can recall, we're going to be a losing franchise?
Some of you guys just like to yell at the fucking sky for the hell of it.
Ok Jerry is gone,Now what?
"Hire Dave"
Thanks Ernie,check is in the mail!
It would not be good for them to continue with the same hiring practices that led them to this shipwreck. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Does Slade have an account there too lol.
wait... there's a modern version of BBI?
See ya, suckas!
Giants have had success promoting from within and Gettleman fits that criteria
I d also be ok with Schwartz as coach.
Those criticizing Mara for having the final word on a GM hiring, must not understand the role of a C. E. O.
Your clueless this would be a terrible move.
He’s not my choice, but he didn’t do an awful job in Carolina.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Brilliant!
If it ends up true seems funny that they didn't wait to interview more people and it would be contrary to taking their time to get it right.
Speaking of interviews, have there been any?
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I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
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Wait I'm confused.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
Probably Reddick.
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Wait I'm confused.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
Jerry Reese Starters/Key Players Drafted 2013-2017
Justin Pugh (decent but injury prone)
Jonathan Hankins (good player, but no longer on team)
Odell Beckham Jr. (superstar, but injured)
Weston Richburg (decent but injured)
Ereck Flowers (bust)
Bobby Hart (not very good)
Landon Collins (superstar)
Eli Apple (bust so far)
Sterling Shepard (good player but injured)
Darian Thompson (just ok)
BJ Goodson (looks decent, but injury prone)
Evan Engram (big time potential)
Dalvin Tomlinson (good player so far)
Wayne Gallman (decent player so far)
Dave Gettleman Starters/Kay Players Draft 2013-2017
Star Lotulelei (good player)
Kawann Short (stud player)
A.J. Klein (decent role player, but no longer on team)
Kelvin Benjamin (very good player, traded after GM fired)
Kony Ealy (decent rotational player)
Trai Turner (stud player)
Tre Boston (good role player turned starter, but no longer on team)
Daryl Williams (decent starter)
Devin Funchess (#1 receiver, big time potential)
Shaq Thompson (good player)
Vernon Butler (bust so far)
James Bradberry (decent starter)
Daryl Worley (decent starter)
Christian McCaffrey (big weapon so far, big time potential)
Curtis Samuel (incomplete, but has potential)
Harrison Butker (very good so far)
Gettleman and Reese are on different levels
I know Ed personally. He hears a lot but rarely posts because he doesn't consider himself to have a ton of good sources if he heard this it's probabaly from a Good source.
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Wait I'm confused.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
Jerry Reese Starters/Key Players Drafted 2013-2017
Justin Pugh (decent but injury prone)
Jonathan Hankins (good player, but no longer on team)
Odell Beckham Jr. (superstar, but injured)
Weston Richburg (decent but injured)
Ereck Flowers (bust)
Bobby Hart (not very good)
Landon Collins (superstar)
Eli Apple (bust so far)
Sterling Shepard (good player but injured)
Darian Thompson (just ok)
BJ Goodson (looks decent, but injury prone)
Evan Engram (big time potential)
Dalvin Tomlinson (good player so far)
Wayne Gallman (decent player so far)
Dave Gettleman Starters/Kay Players Draft 2013-2017
Star Lotulelei (good player)
Kawann Short (stud player)
A.J. Klein (decent role player, but no longer on team)
Kelvin Benjamin (very good player, traded after GM fired)
Kony Ealy (decent rotational player)
Trai Turner (stud player)
Tre Boston (good role player turned starter, but no longer on team)
Daryl Williams (decent starter)
Devin Funchess (#1 receiver, big time potential)
Shaq Thompson (good player)
Vernon Butler (bust so far)
James Bradberry (decent starter)
Daryl Worley (decent starter)
Christian McCaffrey (big weapon so far, big time potential)
Curtis Samuel (incomplete, but has potential)
Harrison Butker (very good so far)
Gettleman and Reese are on different levels
Thanks for taking the time to list these for comparison. Pretty much proves the point - Gettleman may not give people the warm and fuzzies, but he’s got a track record of drafting very well.
Gettleman has an eye for talent and the b@lls to make tough decisions. I can get behind a guy like that. I don't like his age... I'd prefer not going through this process again in 3-4 years, unless the plan is to groom Abrams and elevate from within.
Gettleman has an eye for talent and the b@lls to make tough decisions. I can get behind a guy like that. I don't like his age... I'd prefer not going through this process again in 3-4 years, unless the plan is to groom Abrams and elevate from within.
That's probably what the plan is.
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Wait I'm confused.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
Jerry Reese Starters/Key Players Drafted 2013-2017
Justin Pugh (decent but injury prone)
Jonathan Hankins (good player, but no longer on team)
Odell Beckham Jr. (superstar, but injured)
Weston Richburg (decent but injured)
Ereck Flowers (bust)
Bobby Hart (not very good)
Landon Collins (superstar)
Eli Apple (bust so far)
Sterling Shepard (good player but injured)
Darian Thompson (just ok)
BJ Goodson (looks decent, but injury prone)
Evan Engram (big time potential)
Dalvin Tomlinson (good player so far)
Wayne Gallman (decent player so far)
Dave Gettleman Starters/Kay Players Draft 2013-2017
Star Lotulelei (good player)
Kawann Short (stud player)
A.J. Klein (decent role player, but no longer on team)
Kelvin Benjamin (very good player, traded after GM fired)
Kony Ealy (decent rotational player)
Trai Turner (stud player)
Tre Boston (good role player turned starter, but no longer on team)
Daryl Williams (decent starter)
Devin Funchess (#1 receiver, big time potential)
Shaq Thompson (good player)
Vernon Butler (bust so far)
James Bradberry (decent starter)
Daryl Worley (decent starter)
Christian McCaffrey (big weapon so far, big time potential)
Curtis Samuel (incomplete, but has potential)
Harrison Butker (very good so far)
Gettleman and Reese are on different levels
Very generous on that Panther list and exceedingly negative on the Giants.
Ok Jerry is gone,Now what?
"Hire Dave"
Thanks Ernie,check is in the mail!
If it brings with it another Super Bowl in a ten year span we will all be very thankful to EA again.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
You're talking about players who were there when he got the job.
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Wait I'm confused.
I look at the roster Gettleman has put together down in Carolina and I can't help but wonder what is everyone complaining about?
This guy consistently hits on his draft picks and manages the cap well. Isn't that a GM's job?
Okay, so it looks like he's an asshole that the players hated. Well as fans it isn't like we'll ever have to spend time with him personally. We just have to watch the team he puts on the field...apparently he does a good job at that.
This. We don’t need him to be warm and fuzzy with the press or fans, we need him to draft good football players.
Well. Good luck. He didn’t exactly do any better than Reese in that department.
Have you paid attention to the team he built in Carolina?
Jerry Reese Starters/Key Players Drafted 2013-2017
Justin Pugh (decent but injury prone)
Jonathan Hankins (good player, but no longer on team)
Odell Beckham Jr. (superstar, but injured)
Weston Richburg (decent but injured)
Ereck Flowers (bust)
Bobby Hart (not very good)
Landon Collins (superstar)
Eli Apple (bust so far)
Sterling Shepard (good player but injured)
Darian Thompson (just ok)
BJ Goodson (looks decent, but injury prone)
Evan Engram (big time potential)
Dalvin Tomlinson (good player so far)
Wayne Gallman (decent player so far)
Dave Gettleman Starters/Kay Players Draft 2013-2017
Star Lotulelei (good player)
Kawann Short (stud player)
A.J. Klein (decent role player, but no longer on team)
Kelvin Benjamin (very good player, traded after GM fired)
Kony Ealy (decent rotational player)
Trai Turner (stud player)
Tre Boston (good role player turned starter, but no longer on team)
Daryl Williams (decent starter)
Devin Funchess (#1 receiver, big time potential)
Shaq Thompson (good player)
Vernon Butler (bust so far)
James Bradberry (decent starter)
Daryl Worley (decent starter)
Christian McCaffrey (big weapon so far, big time potential)
Curtis Samuel (incomplete, but has potential)
Harrison Butker (very good so far)
Gettleman and Reese are on different levels
Thanks for taking the time to list these for comparison. Pretty much proves the point - Gettleman may not give people the warm and fuzzies, but he’s got a track record of drafting very well.
None of those players from 2014 are on the team anymore. He's blown multiple first and second round picks. If the Giants had multiple drafts like this Eric's servers would be liquid.
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Who could their sources be? Asshats like we have?
Does Slade have an account there too lol.
wait... there's a modern version of BBI?
See ya, suckas!
You clearly have never visited Shadow BBI.
That said, the draft part, the part we fandom watch, is not rocket science, he may well do a rational job at it.
I see your point, but I'm not sure the McAdoo comparison is appropriate. The problem with hiring McAdoo was that he had such a thin resume. 2 years as OC with the same organization, working under an offensive HC.
We forget that team brass runs into these guys all the time, so they are already going to have an impression of guys like Caserio and Wolf.
It's all relationship based, as opposed to concept based. So. Whereas it may work, its obviously very limiting in terms of your number of prospects.
The idea of moving people up, assistant GM's, heads of scouting... Of course that would be risky in the absence of concepts, analysis, and thinking about guiding goals, stats and so forth. Or in the absence of insider information from other teams..
Also worth noting that during Gettleman's four years the Panthers won the NFC South 3 times, in what is a very competitive division.
You mean the year that Newton was hurt?!
why in the world should we give this ownership the benefit of the doubt? the last signficant hire they made was another insider candidate who turned out to be a disaster.
and what in the world is the rush? there's no other currently open GM job that they're competing with. and even if there was, this would be the plum job to get - a chance to hire your own coach and a top two draft pick with an organization that doesn't hesitate to spend money. as other posters have said, maybe a professional approach that involves a thorough analysis of the Giants organization might be in order, as opposed to just calling up Ernie and asking him which of his buddies he likes best.
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What was the word on Gettleman in Carolina? I heard on the Lombardi podcast that he ran himself out of town because he didn't want to overpay some of the sacred cows, which went contrary to Richardson. Was that your read?
Not my first choice
Behind the scenes, Jerry richardson was on board with letting Smith and Williams go - he just didn't want to be the bad guy - so Gettleman was happy to oblige. Where things went south is when Gettleman was looking at what to do with Olsen and Thomas Davis. He explored options of trading, restructuring and releasing them and the two guys complained to Richardson, and being his favorite players, they won and Gettleman lost.
But Richardson hasn't made many good decisions since his heart transplant. He took control away from the one son who actually had a decent football mind and he's had some really odd press conferences where he appears nearly out of it - and word is, he often is.
I don't hold the Carolina situation against Gettleman - in fact, it strengthens his reputation as being a hard-nosed GM, IMO.
Remember with macadoo they tried to use "progression not revolution" which turned out to mean something less than all that
So. In addition to a decent head scout talent and scouting group you need a system guru or proven functionary with a clear vision.
Who? And which system.
I have been pushing outside zone running and play action ala Atlanta etc. Others think Pat's can be copied.
...?...
There is no 'progressing' out of that silliness.