I won't get into the specifics, but about 11 or 12 years ago, I was taking some Sports Management graduate courses in Pro Football GM, Scouting, and Salary Cap Management and had the unique opportunity to work on a project with the Giants front office (through a referral from someone else who works within the Giants organization).
I was blown away with how helpful, approachable, accessible, and friendly Ernie Accorsi, Matt Harriss (now with the Lions front office), and especially Kevin Abrams were (Abrams went out of his way to spend an hour with me and encouraged me to to reach out to him should I need anything further).
David Gettleman was the only person who would not make himself available and when I reached out to him in a formal email and addressed him as "David", he replied: "you will address me as 'MR. GETTLEMAN'".
Needless to say, I was not surprised by what a nightmare he was in Carolina in burning bridges and driving himself out of the organization, despite being a good player evaluator. There isn't a single Panthers player who has nice things to say about him. He may be a good football operations guy but in my opinion he is a lousy human being and would be an embarrassment for the Giants franchise to have someone like this managing the roster.
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But honestly - what made you think it was acceptable for a college kid to address him by his first name in an introductory professional email, when you had no prior relationship with him? Did neither your parents nor any professors teach you some basic standards of professional courtesy?
I have no idea if Gettleman would be a good GM for us or not. But a spoiled brat college kid getting offended bc a professional executive didn’t have time for him one day, then insisted he address him with a degree of formal respect doesn’t change my opinion for better or worse.
“Spoiled college brat”? Wtf is wrong with you. I was not a “college kid”, I was a professional in the workforce taking these courses on my own time. I was working my ass off to pursue knowledge in something I am extremely interested/passionate about so I can understand and discuss football operations/personnel far better than people like you.
I guess your parents and professors never taught you anything about work ethic, intellectual curiosity, or making baseless assumptions.
Can’t handle a little criticism huh? Regardless of how old you were at the time of this interaction, you come across as a spoiled brat.
And judging Gettleman’s GM abilities because he insisted on a higher degree of professional courtesy? That’s the definition of baseless assumption.
I wish you good luck in surrounding yourself with people who are really nice to you in your professional career.
That said, I like Gettleman's drafting approach, I like his success rate. I am not at all bothered by his demeanor, even if he is generally rough or brisk or too short with people.
What bothers me is his age. 66 is no spring chicken.
So "op", "Mr" is the appropriate Address. I would consider his response to you a positive in considering hiring him. You I would keep in the mail room.
Wow. Just wow. Hey Doc, don't you think maybe you have a tiny touch of insecurity?
When I took sworn testimony from people who told me how to address them (usually PhDs but sometimes MDs) I, of course, took every advantage of getting under their skin ... which was soooooo so easy to do. A false sense of entitlement is what we are talking about here. A GM needs people skills - it is an essential part of the GM's toolbox.
it doesn't necessarily mean he is always a rude or douchey person. or a bad human being. or not NYG material. presumably his boss (Accorsi) is a better judge of that.
maybe his wife gave him shit that morning for not doing the dishes properly and he was in a foul mood.
it certainly doesn't also disqualify him from being a candidate for GM.
the great warren buffet once said that one of his keys to success is saying "No", whether to investment opportunities or extracurriculars that are non value adding. i.e. you need to focus your limited time and energy on things that matter. in that respect, maybe DG didn't think that he had the bandwidth to assist you on your school project.
it doesn't necessarily mean he is always a rude or douchey person. or a bad human being. or not NYG material. presumably his boss (Accorsi) is a better judge of that.
maybe his wife gave him shit that morning for not doing the dishes properly and he was in a foul mood.
it certainly doesn't also disqualify him from being a candidate for GM.
the great warren buffet once said that one of his keys to success is saying "No", whether to investment opportunities or extracurriculars that are non value adding. i.e. you need to focus your limited time and energy on things that matter. in that respect, maybe DG didn't think that he had the bandwidth to assist you on your school project.
If only that was true ... but the overwhelming number of articles online about his firing demonstrate he has horrendous interpersonal skills ... and when he let WR Smith go (the best player in franchise history) - he couldn't bother to talk to him in person and Smith found out on the radio ...
He sounds like a skilled talent evaluator who would be great heading up the scouting department ... but a GM with antagonistic interpersonal skills is asking for trouble imo (and being fired as GM one week before training camp opened in NC is itself a huge red flag).
He has never replaced the toilet paper roll. Not once!
He parks horizontally across three parking spaces!
When other cars try to pass him on the highway, he always speeds up to prevent them!
*note - I don't want him hired either, but not because of silly things like this thread.
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To their seniors when they meet rhem for the first time, annoys many of us older generation people. When I call and some 20 year old asks my name and then uses my first name when she doesn't know me is annoying. Worst are those who use "Doc" which I condiser demeaning.
So "op", "Mr" is the appropriate Address. I would consider his response to you a positive in considering hiring him. You I would keep in the mail room.
Wow. Just wow. Hey Doc, don't you think maybe you have a tiny touch of insecurity?
When I took sworn testimony from people who told me how to address them (usually PhDs but sometimes MDs) I, of course, took every advantage of getting under their skin ... which was soooooo so easy to do. A false sense of entitlement is what we are talking about here. A GM needs people skills - it is an essential part of the GM's toolbox.
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To their seniors when they meet rhem for the first time, annoys many of us older generation people. When I call and some 20 year old asks my name and then uses my first name when she doesn't know me is annoying. Worst are those who use "Doc" which I condiser demeaning.
So "op", "Mr" is the appropriate Address. I would consider his response to you a positive in considering hiring him. You I would keep in the mail room.
Wow. Just wow. Hey Doc, don't you think maybe you have a tiny touch of insecurity?
When I took sworn testimony from people who told me how to address them (usually PhDs but sometimes MDs) I, of course, took every advantage of getting under their skin ... which was soooooo so easy to do. A false sense of entitlement is what we are talking about here. A GM needs people skills - it is an essential part of the GM's toolbox.
That's weird to me. My experience is so much different in that most of the PhD's I've encountered have been waaay less title-conscious and much more inclined be informal than M.D.'s.
I find either one rather obnoxious.