From The Ringer. Some here have already mentioned Michael Lombardi, he's an old Patriot exec who spent time with the Browns. Lombardi seems to believe Gettleman simply made tough calls, but smart decisions. Mentions how the owner never bought into Gettleman's style. Personally, it gave me a little more comfort in Gettleman potentially being the guy. Last line stood out to me:
"Do I think they’re going to continue to win and continue to get good players? I’m not sure of that, because I think Dave Gettleman was really good at his job."
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I fail to see what’s Gettleman brings to the Giants. Guaranteed he keeps Marc Ross and Ken Sternfeld on if he’s the GM. More of the same as under Reese. He’s going to be 67. Once he retires then we get Abrams? How are we going to get our scouting, drafting, player development and pro personnel back up to par by essentially not making any changes?
I’m expecting another poor draft come April. We’ll get the big fish in Rd 1 and miss everywhere else.
I'm not trying to cheerlead for Gettleman as the truth is none of us have enough knowledge or experience to know who would and would not be a good fit for GM. But most posters on this site make it wound like Gettleman would be just like Reese, if not worse.
First, let's all admit that the Mara's are highly unlikely to hire a GM that is A: Inexperienced B: One they have no familiarity with. The fanbase wants to see a new face and a new name. Don't get your hopes up. The Giants view the GM position as the guardian of franchise stability. They are going to be risk averse here, preferring known quantities and stability to a homerun swing. Not saying this means Gettleman is a shoe in (he might be) but it certainly points to what we know to be true. Gettleman is a front runner and John Dorsey was getting an interview.
Second, personality conflicts aside, what decisions on veteran players did Gettleman make in Carolina that were actually detrimental the long term success of the team? I'll give you he should have traded Norman instead of just rescinding the tag, but Josh Norman was a 28 year old CB at the time, who was a better zone cover guy than a man-to-man guy, wasn't exactly easy to deal with, and didn't always cover the #1 WR. I think the skins overpaid and what difference has that really made for them? Now I love Steve Smith, great competitor, but is there any doubt he was on the downside of his career when Gettleman showed him the door? Same with D'Angelo Williams. It's always said it's better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late. This is how the New England Patriots operate and no one criticizes them for it. It's what 5 rings can do for you.
Finally, I would think most of BBI would be jumping up and down for Gettleman based on his draft priorities. From 2013 to 2017 he spent first round picks on a running back (Christian McCaffrey) a LB (Shaq Thompson), and used high draft choices on extremely tall and athletic WRs (Devin Funchess, and Kelvin Benjamin). He also regularly drafted OL and LBs between 2013-2017.
I'm not saying Gettleman is going to be great, not saying he is going to flop. But it's hard to argue with his resume. Also, consider this. The Mara's don't want to completely wipe the slate clean. They are not looking for a complete razing of the organization. They want to find their foundation again. They want to go back to the Giant's identity. It's fair to see over the past 5 years the Panthers have looked more like a traditional Giants team (minus the mobile QB that Gettleman inherited) than the Giants have. It's quite possible Mara looks at Gettleman and sees a traditional NY Giants GM.
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I'm not saying Gettleman is going to be great, not saying he is going to flop. But it's hard to argue with his resume. Also, consider this. The Mara's don't want to completely wipe the slate clean. They are not looking for a complete razing of the organization. They want to find their foundation again. They want to go back to the Giant's identity. It's fair to see over the past 5 years the Panthers have looked more like a traditional Giants team (minus the mobile QB that Gettleman inherited) than the Giants have. It's quite possible Mara looks at Gettleman and sees a traditional NY Giants GM.
Excellent post Emil, well thought out.
I yawn at the fact some of the Panthers were pissed they were not getting their money - big shocker there, everyone wants more; everyone. So from a front office perspective, I have no problem with Gettleman. Last line of the article - "he is really good at his job"
Anyone can play hangman.
I'm not trying to cheerlead for Gettleman as the truth is none of us have enough knowledge or experience to know who would and would not be a good fit for GM. But most posters on this site make it wound like Gettleman would be just like Reese, if not worse.
First, let's all admit that the Mara's are highly unlikely to hire a GM that is A: Inexperienced B: One they have no familiarity with. The fanbase wants to see a new face and a new name. Don't get your hopes up. The Giants view the GM position as the guardian of franchise stability. They are going to be risk averse here, preferring known quantities and stability to a homerun swing. Not saying this means Gettleman is a shoe in (he might be) but it certainly points to what we know to be true. Gettleman is a front runner and John Dorsey was getting an interview.
Second, personality conflicts aside, what decisions on veteran players did Gettleman make in Carolina that were actually detrimental the long term success of the team? I'll give you he should have traded Norman instead of just rescinding the tag, but Josh Norman was a 28 year old CB at the time, who was a better zone cover guy than a man-to-man guy, wasn't exactly easy to deal with, and didn't always cover the #1 WR. I think the skins overpaid and what difference has that really made for them? Now I love Steve Smith, great competitor, but is there any doubt he was on the downside of his career when Gettleman showed him the door? Same with D'Angelo Williams. It's always said it's better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late. This is how the New England Patriots operate and no one criticizes them for it. It's what 5 rings can do for you.
Finally, I would think most of BBI would be jumping up and down for Gettleman based on his draft priorities. From 2013 to 2017 he spent first round picks on a running back (Christian McCaffrey) a LB (Shaq Thompson), and used high draft choices on extremely tall and athletic WRs (Devin Funchess, and Kelvin Benjamin). He also regularly drafted OL and LBs between 2013-2017.
I'm not saying Gettleman is going to be great, not saying he is going to flop. But it's hard to argue with his resume. Also, consider this. The Mara's don't want to completely wipe the slate clean. They are not looking for a complete razing of the organization. They want to find their foundation again. They want to go back to the Giant's identity. It's fair to see over the past 5 years the Panthers have looked more like a traditional Giants team (minus the mobile QB that Gettleman inherited) than the Giants have. It's quite possible Mara looks at Gettleman and sees a traditional NY Giants GM.
The next GM will have some complex personnel decisions (beyond the draft).
There is some feeling that the Giants are over-invested in high salary "stars" from whom they are not getting value. Could they be traded for younger players with promise or for draft picks? But who?? And how to get value for them?
It's like the Marketing manager who says "I know for certain that on half my advertising dollars are wasted; I just don't know which half!"
The Giants DO know him and know exactly what they will get with him. That may be a comforting factor to them, or it may work against him as well (if they truly want new blood).
Frankly, I'd prefer any of the guys from the Pats tree -- Cesario, Pioli, those guys
MINIMALLY, What the Giants should NOT do is just hire DG without talking to the other candidates who aren't available after the season. Do their due diligence, hear other people's ideas, and then decide.
DG had a great track record with the Giants and they didn't want to lose him, but couldn't just fire Reese in 2012. Sure he's an "old hire" but the Giants won 2 Super Bowls they don't exactly have to re-invent the wheel. They just need to get back to what works.
I'm not trying to cheerlead for Gettleman as the truth is none of us have enough knowledge or experience to know who would and would not be a good fit for GM. But most posters on this site make it wound like Gettleman would be just like Reese, if not worse.
First, let's all admit that the Mara's are highly unlikely to hire a GM that is A: Inexperienced B: One they have no familiarity with. The fanbase wants to see a new face and a new name. Don't get your hopes up. The Giants view the GM position as the guardian of franchise stability. They are going to be risk averse here, preferring known quantities and stability to a homerun swing. Not saying this means Gettleman is a shoe in (he might be) but it certainly points to what we know to be true. Gettleman is a front runner and John Dorsey was getting an interview.
Second, personality conflicts aside, what decisions on veteran players did Gettleman make in Carolina that were actually detrimental the long term success of the team? I'll give you he should have traded Norman instead of just rescinding the tag, but Josh Norman was a 28 year old CB at the time, who was a better zone cover guy than a man-to-man guy, wasn't exactly easy to deal with, and didn't always cover the #1 WR. I think the skins overpaid and what difference has that really made for them? Now I love Steve Smith, great competitor, but is there any doubt he was on the downside of his career when Gettleman showed him the door? Same with D'Angelo Williams. It's always said it's better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late. This is how the New England Patriots operate and no one criticizes them for it. It's what 5 rings can do for you.
Finally, I would think most of BBI would be jumping up and down for Gettleman based on his draft priorities. From 2013 to 2017 he spent first round picks on a running back (Christian McCaffrey) a LB (Shaq Thompson), and used high draft choices on extremely tall and athletic WRs (Devin Funchess, and Kelvin Benjamin). He also regularly drafted OL and LBs between 2013-2017.
I'm not saying Gettleman is going to be great, not saying he is going to flop. But it's hard to argue with his resume. Also, consider this. The Mara's don't want to completely wipe the slate clean. They are not looking for a complete razing of the organization. They want to find their foundation again. They want to go back to the Giant's identity. It's fair to see over the past 5 years the Panthers have looked more like a traditional Giants team (minus the mobile QB that Gettleman inherited) than the Giants have. It's quite possible Mara looks at Gettleman and sees a traditional NY Giants GM.
This. Nobody has said it better on all the posts I've read. Well said.