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NFT: MLB Winter Meetings Day 1

DaddyM89 : 12/11/2017 1:54 am
Should promise to be a crazy 4 days down in Orlando. Things get kicked off with Stanton being introduced to the Yankees at 2PM. Some of the hot topics heading into the week:

- How will Red Sox respond to Yankees landing Stanton. Don't be surprised to see them throw a ton of money at a JD Martinez or Eric Hosmer.

- Will the Giants or Cards land a blockbuster deal after being spurned by Stanton?

- Some early rumbling Harvey could be on the trade block for the Mets. May be best for both parties to part at this point.

- Will yankees address their need for a starting pitcher? Have been linked to Cobb for weeks now but may have to get creative with payroll to sign him in. (a precursor could be a trade of Headley, Gardner, or Ellsbury (although they'd have to eat a lot of Elllsbury's contract)

- Who will overpay for Darvish and Arrietta? Wondering if they both get over $200 Million.

Let the madness begin!
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I LL take  
spike : 12/11/2017 3:43 pm : link
Profar
RE: I would hate Harvey for  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2017 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13736046 ZGiants98 said:
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Profar. Yuck.


I lean in this direction also. The last thing this roster needs is another reclamation projects.
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ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13736054 Eric on Li said:
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Profar. Yuck.



I lean in this direction also. The last thing this roster needs is another reclamation projects.


My rationale is that I think Harvey can at least be a decent reliever in 2018 as a worst case scenario. He actually held velocity in the early innings last year but would completely lose it by the 3rd or 4th inning. Ugh.
Does Profar even have options left?  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 3:52 pm : link
Can we even send him to AAA?
Maybe the Mets were trying to find a worse  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2017 3:53 pm : link
player than Goins.
Profar  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2017 3:57 pm : link
is out of options, I would not do this deal. Profar for all of his talent is a career .229 MLB hitter, solid but unspectacular season in the PCL this past year. No problem liking him as a lottery ticket but no thanks for Harvey
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arcarsenal : 12/11/2017 3:58 pm : link
Profar.. yay. That's so exciting!
Can we just keep  
Metnut : 12/11/2017 3:58 pm : link
Harvey? We've already taken the lumps during his recovery last year. How about maybe reaping the rewards when he's pitching for a contract and as motivated as he'll ever be? Mets are in desperate need of starting pitching and can afford to deal away the lottery ticket that Harvey is IMO unless a real asset (not Profar) comes back.
Seems like Harvey is gonna get dealt  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2017 3:58 pm : link
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#Orioles also talking to #Mets about Matt Harvey, sources tell The Athletic. #Rangers interest noted by @Evan_P_Grant and @JonHeyman.
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DanMetroMan : 12/11/2017 4:08 pm : link
Profar finished 52nd in wRC+ and 52 in wOBA in the PCL, this isn't a guy who has "mashed everywhere" but the bigs #Mets
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Mets folks believe there's no chance Matt Harvey will be traded. Coming off a tough year, his value is at its lowest, and now that they've tendered him a contract, no point in giving him away.
So unless the Mets sign  
Metnut : 12/11/2017 4:14 pm : link
a pitcher, if they deal Harvey they will have Gsellmen, Lugo, Matz and Wheeler filling 3 rotation spots. Wheeler and Matz has shown ZERO ability to pitch through an entire season and didn't really look all that effective when "healthy" in 2017 either. Lugo has a torn ligament in his arm and clearly ran out of gas last year too. Gsellmen was one of the worst regular starting pitchers in MLB last year (to be fair, so was Harvey).

The starting pitching market is thin and does anyone have faith in the Mets to outbid other teams for any of the "good" starters out there?

Also, Bartolo Colon would be a joke signing. He had an ERA of almost 6.50 last year and will turn 45 next season.

I understand that there's a real chance that Harvey just sucks in 2018 and that the "Dark Knight" likely isn't coming back, but a lot of things are going to have to go right for the Mets to contend again in 2018, and a $6M or so lottery ticket with Harvey is a gamble I think the team needs to take.
Yes Colon  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2017 4:21 pm : link
would be a joke and I mentioned him facetiously, however, he'd fit right in with the rest of the 2017 Mets rotation scrap heap:

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2017 #'s

Harvey: 5 - 7 6.7 ERA, 1.694 WHIP, 63 ERA+, 6.37 FIP
Wheeler: 3 - 7, 5.21 ERA 1.58 WHIP, 81 ERA+, 5.03 FIP
Matz: 2 - 7, 6.08 ERA 1.53 WHIP 70 ERA+ 5.05 FIP
Gsellman: 8 - 7 5.19 ERA 1.504 WHIP 81 ERA+ 4.89 FIP

Colon: 5 - 6 5.18 ERA 1.438 WHIP 85 ERA+ 5.31 FIP
Not  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2017 4:23 pm : link
that I think the Rangers would do it but Profar AND Kela I could deal with (if they really insist on moving on).
Yankees interested in trading for Gerrit Cole  
EddieNYG : 12/11/2017 4:23 pm : link
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According to Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports, the team is interested in a trade for Pittsburgh Pirates pitcher Gerrit Cole. However, Heyman also reported the Pirates don't intend to deal the 27-year-old.

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Neshek  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2017 4:25 pm : link
a Phillie, 2 year deal.
RE: Yes Colon  
Metnut : 12/11/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13736178 pjcas18 said:
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2017 #'s

Harvey: 5 - 7 6.7 ERA, 1.694 WHIP, 63 ERA+, 6.37 FIP
Wheeler: 3 - 7, 5.21 ERA 1.58 WHIP, 81 ERA+, 5.03 FIP
Matz: 2 - 7, 6.08 ERA 1.53 WHIP 70 ERA+ 5.05 FIP
Gsellman: 8 - 7 5.19 ERA 1.504 WHIP 81 ERA+ 4.89 FIP

Colon: 5 - 6 5.18 ERA 1.438 WHIP 85 ERA+ 5.31 FIP



Brutal. Hopefully Callaway can work a miracle or two.
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BigBlue4You09 : 12/11/2017 4:30 pm : link
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Source says its unlikely that Jacoby Ellsbury would waive his no-trade clause to leave the Yankees.
Neshek  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2017 4:32 pm : link
2 for 16-17, man that Morrow deal looks incredible in terms of potential upside.
Pretty nice gig for Jacoby.  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 4:38 pm : link
Enjoy NYC on a great team, get your ass off the bench every now and then to pinch run, and keep collecting those fat checks. I didn't think it was realistic to trade him anyway - salary aside, there's still three years left on that deal. Who would want him for three years at any price right now? Maybe once it gets down to two we can swing something.
Pitching prices in general  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 4:54 pm : link
Seem to have skyrocketed this year. I still cant believe how much Chatwood got. Yuck.
This would be a disaster  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2017 4:55 pm : link
though I obviously know the Mets were/are long shots for him.

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Roch Kubatko of MASN Sports reports that the Philadelphia Phillies are discussing a trade to acquire Manny Machado from the Baltimore Orioles.
Id be fine if Machado went to the Phillies  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 4:57 pm : link
They need a lot more than him before they are competing for the postseason. Hopefully, they give up a haul.
He's a pefect fit for the Mets  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2017 4:59 pm : link
and i hoped they'd consider him as a FA.

I dont think Machado is taking a discount on an extension  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 5:10 pm : link
ayear before free agency coming off a down year. So the Phillies have to give up a haul plus 300 million to extend him now or hell simply walk in a year.
RE: I dont think Machado is taking a discount on an extension  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13736250 ZGiants98 said:
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ayear before free agency coming off a down year. So the Phillies have to give up a haul plus 300 million to extend him now or hell simply walk in a year.


agree, but the Phillies are also not going to give up a haul to not agree to an extension.

it's a nice time to have a top 10 farm system.
RE: Pitching prices in general  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2017 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13736234 ZGiants98 said:
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Seem to have skyrocketed this year. I still cant believe how much Chatwood got. Yuck.

I actually don't think it was that bad. His numbers away from Coors are very good.
The Morrow and Minor deals seem pretty reasonable also  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2017 5:27 pm : link
Addison Reed on a similar deal would seem pretty fair. If Jerry Blevins is worth $7M (which he undeniably is) I don't see how the Mets consider an inferno to give other RPs $8M or $9M for 3 years on the open market.
RE: Id be fine if Machado went to the Phillies  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2017 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13736239 ZGiants98 said:
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They need a lot more than him before they are competing for the postseason. Hopefully, they give up a haul.

They have something like only 7 million committed to salaries next season. They are going to be huge players in FA and the trade markets.
Atlanta is in talks with Miami  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2017 5:36 pm : link
They are discussing Kyle Barraclough and Prado. I assume they are using Barraclough to rid themselves of Prado's salary. I am fine with that deal as long as the Braves aren't giving up anything significant.
No to Addison Reed  
brunswick : 12/11/2017 5:41 pm : link
Do we have to keep recycling players? Does this organization do any scouting whatsoever?
RE: No to Addison Reed  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2017 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13736292 brunswick said:
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Do we have to keep recycling players? Does this organization do any scouting whatsoever?


He had a good Mets tenure what is there to scout? You know the guy is normally reliable in the 7th/8th and can close if forced to.

Hard yes on Reed.
Some buzz Kinsler is going to get dealt during the WM  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2017 6:51 pm : link
I actually think he's a very good option for the Mets. Low K rate, some pop, was rated the 2nd best defensive 2B last year even in a down year. Has played ~140 games 7 straight years. His numbers were down last year because his BABIP dropped like 79 points YOY, if he bounces back he could be a big upgrade at the top of the lineup and in the field.
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ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 7:10 pm : link
In comment 13736264 Jay on the Island said:
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Seem to have skyrocketed this year. I still cant believe how much Chatwood got. Yuck.


I actually don't think it was that bad. His numbers away from Coors are very good.


His FIP says otherwise and his peripherals are awful. Hes never cleared 158 innings in 8 years either. This guy has never proven a thing. I absolutely hate that deal.
Loved Kinsler  
brunswick : 12/11/2017 7:10 pm : link
Before this year...he was awful in 2017 but would absolutely take a chance on him.
Interesting -  
section125 : 12/11/2017 7:10 pm : link
Mark Teixeira on Baseball Tonight says Stanton is a better OF than Judge......???
Mets viewing Hunter as a prime target.  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 7:11 pm : link
Good. I love Hunter. Absolute breakout last year after he added a cutter.
No idea why some Mets fans  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 7:13 pm : link
Have to trash every player that ever played for the team. Shiny toy syndrome I guess. Addison Reed is a great setup option and was a great Met. Hed be a great addition. That said, get me Hunter and Joe Smith.
I'm good with 2 of any of those RPs to solidify the BP  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2017 7:18 pm : link
Smith, Shaw, Reed, McGee, Hunter. Definitely prefer spending the money and signing a FA vs. trading Harvey for Brach or O'Day.
I love McGee too  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 7:28 pm : link
But he might be too pricey. Im pretty confident we will add at least one more solid backend option and possibly a second lesser option later in the offseason.

Im going to quit talking Mets though on a winter meetings thread unless its pertaining to a potential deal. :)
RE: RE: Id be fine if Machado went to the Phillies  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13736277 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13736239 ZGiants98 said:


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They need a lot more than him before they are competing for the postseason. Hopefully, they give up a haul.


They have something like only 7 million committed to salaries next season. They are going to be huge players in FA and the trade markets.


Great. They have a lot of work to do.
Marlins still open for biz  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2017 8:49 pm : link
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#Marlins pushing Ozuna, telling teams he will be easier to acquire (lower acquisition cost) than Yelich. Two years of control for Ozuna, five for Yelich.

Taking on Prado will likely be a condition for either. Would love to see Sandy get aggressive and creative, but seems unlikely.
ozone is a stud  
DaddyM89 : 12/11/2017 9:14 pm : link
as a yankees fan hope the sox dont get him
RE: Pretty nice gig for Jacoby.  
mitch300 : 12/11/2017 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13736210 bceagle05 said:
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Enjoy NYC on a great team, get your ass off the bench every now and then to pinch run, and keep collecting those fat checks. I didn't think it was realistic to trade him anyway - salary aside, there's still three years left on that deal. Who would want him for three years at any price right now? Maybe once it gets down to two we can swing something.

No way is he worth his contract. However at half the price( Yanks are rumored eat half the contract) he would be that bad. He has a very good defensively and has speed. He still can hit somewhat. He can be valuable on a team who needs an CF.
So, Cashman called Judge when Cash was  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/11/2017 9:35 pm : link
negotiating with Stanton to get Judge's opinion and seal of approval. I like it.
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Dave in PA : 12/11/2017 11:23 pm : link
In comment 13736491 mitch300 said:
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In comment 13736210 bceagle05 said:


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Enjoy NYC on a great team, get your ass off the bench every now and then to pinch run, and keep collecting those fat checks. I didn't think it was realistic to trade him anyway - salary aside, there's still three years left on that deal. Who would want him for three years at any price right now? Maybe once it gets down to two we can swing something.


No way is he worth his contract. However at half the price( Yanks are rumored eat half the contract) he would be that bad. He has a very good defensively and has speed. He still can hit somewhat. He can be valuable on a team who needs an CF.
Ellsburys skills have seriously eroded. He has no pop whatsoever. Barely gap doubles power.
I like that they're "willing to discuss" trading Harvey  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/11/2017 11:27 pm : link
now that he's a broken down shell.
Ellsbury's still a very good defensive CFer, but I wonder whether  
yatqb : 12/11/2017 11:31 pm : link
he'd be attractive to another team even at a big discount. The Giants want a CF, but are in on Billy Hamilton.
Mets one of about 5  
ZGiants98 : 12/12/2017 12:05 am : link
teams pushing for Colome.
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ZGiants98 : 12/12/2017 12:07 am : link
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