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NFT: MLB Winter Meetings Day 1

DaddyM89 : 12/11/2017 1:54 am
Should promise to be a crazy 4 days down in Orlando. Things get kicked off with Stanton being introduced to the Yankees at 2PM. Some of the hot topics heading into the week:

- How will Red Sox respond to Yankees landing Stanton. Don't be surprised to see them throw a ton of money at a JD Martinez or Eric Hosmer.

- Will the Giants or Cards land a blockbuster deal after being spurned by Stanton?

- Some early rumbling Harvey could be on the trade block for the Mets. May be best for both parties to part at this point.

- Will yankees address their need for a starting pitcher? Have been linked to Cobb for weeks now but may have to get creative with payroll to sign him in. (a precursor could be a trade of Headley, Gardner, or Ellsbury (although they'd have to eat a lot of Elllsbury's contract)

- Who will overpay for Darvish and Arrietta? Wondering if they both get over $200 Million.

Let the madness begin!
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Looks like trade offical  
yankeeslover : 12/11/2017 7:38 am : link
Stanton passed physical.
Saw that The Mets were shopping Harvey.  
Keith : 12/11/2017 7:44 am : link
I cant imagine hed have a ton of value. Im sure the Mets are asking for a lot, as they should. Id probably take a shot if the Mets just dumped him.
I posted last week for the Yanks to get Stanton  
JonC : 12/11/2017 7:51 am : link
mostly jesting, but wow was it fun waking up to the news Saturday morning!
Yankees/Stanton press conference at 2p today  
B in ALB : 12/11/2017 8:02 am : link
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Jack Morris and Alan Trammel voted into the HOF  
mfsd : 12/11/2017 8:12 am : link
by the Modern Era committee. Both amongst the best of the 80s, wont argue their making it.

But if Jack Morris is a Hall of Famer, then Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina should be stone cold locks.
Im no big Harvey fan  
Rflairr : 12/11/2017 8:44 am : link
But theyve had over 50 Mill come off the books. And they feel they need to trade a starter for a reliever? When their rotation is already fragile with little depth. And there are quality bullpen arms out there they can go out and easily sign. But Alderson is already bitching about the price for free agent relievers. Hard to be optimistic, with this dumbass running the team
Cobb won't come cheap  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2017 9:07 am : link
The Cubs are going hard for him.
RE: Cobb won't come cheap  
TheMick7 : 12/11/2017 9:12 am : link
In comment 13735013 Jay on the Island said:
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The Cubs are going hard for him.


I think Cobb to the Cubs is a done deal. Former manager & pitching coach both on Cubs staff. Comfortable fit for him. I'd like the Yanks to look to trade for Archer.I think Frazier & Adams would do the trick!
a few SP's on the trade market  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2017 9:13 am : link
Danny Duffy, Julio Teheran, and Jeff Samardzija
RE: RE: Cobb won't come cheap  
Justlurking : 12/11/2017 9:45 am : link
In comment 13735017 TheMick7 said:
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The Cubs are going hard for him.



I think Cobb to the Cubs is a done deal. Former manager & pitching coach both on Cubs staff. Comfortable fit for him. I'd like the Yanks to look to trade for Archer.I think Frazier & Adams would do the trick!


I think Archer is really overrated. He gives up way too many homers. Looks great when he's on but loses command on a moment's notice. I would not be in favor of trading those guys for him.
The Red Sox needed a big bat in the line up....  
Reb8thVA : 12/11/2017 9:51 am : link
even before the Stanton trade. If Martinez is the target I wouldn't expect anything soon since Boras is his agent.
RE: RE: RE: Cobb won't come cheap  
rich in DC : 12/11/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13735133 Justlurking said:
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The Cubs are going hard for him.



I think Cobb to the Cubs is a done deal. Former manager & pitching coach both on Cubs staff. Comfortable fit for him. I'd like the Yanks to look to trade for Archer.I think Frazier & Adams would do the trick!



I think Archer is really overrated. He gives up way too many homers. Looks great when he's on but loses command on a moment's notice. I would not be in favor of trading those guys for him.


Plus, because Tampa is in division, I'm sure that the cost to do business with the Yanks will be VERY high. I think there are trade targets with similar upsides who would not cost an "in-division" premium.

My hope is that the Yanks try to engage the DBacks on Robbie Ray and ask about Corbin to get a #5 SP vet option who can also pitch from the pen. The Yanks might have to part with Frazier, Acevedo plus 3 more to get that kind of return- or put Grey in the deal, IMO. Still, I think Ray can get even better than he was last year.
RE: The Red Sox needed a big bat in the line up....  
rich in DC : 12/11/2017 9:52 am : link
In comment 13735156 Reb8thVA said:
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even before the Stanton trade. If Martinez is the target I wouldn't expect anything soon since Boras is his agent.


I think Hosmer is also a Boras client.
Yes, Boras represents Hosmer too  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2017 9:55 am : link
Watching Boston massively overpay Hosmer is going to be fun.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Cobb won't come cheap  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2017 10:04 am : link
In comment 13735159 rich in DC said:
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Plus, because Tampa is in division, I'm sure that the cost to do business with the Yanks will be VERY high. I think there are trade targets with similar upsides who would not cost an "in-division" premium.

My hope is that the Yanks try to engage the DBacks on Robbie Ray and ask about Corbin to get a #5 SP vet option who can also pitch from the pen. The Yanks might have to part with Frazier, Acevedo plus 3 more to get that kind of return- or put Grey in the deal, IMO. Still, I think Ray can get even better than he was last year.


The Braves inquired about him at least twice over the past year. The rumored asking price was insane but it would be even higher to trade him to a division rival and nearly guarantee them a WS appearance.
Sox shopping Bradley Jr.  
BigBlue4You09 : 12/11/2017 10:05 am : link
For a bat
Saw an article that suggested the Red Sox  
DaddyM89 : 12/11/2017 10:44 am : link
sign JD Martinez AND Eric Hosmer. That would definitely spark their lineup but would be a shit ton of money..
Mets got it all figured  
Rory : 12/11/2017 10:49 am : link
out so dont worry.

Resign all the players they traded last year.

stretch more

Mr. Met mascot to have his costume glove modified to a JPP mit

Have Sandy deflect all questions about mega star signings with other teams validated by "team research"

Lastly "David Wright everyone!" , "David Wright"
RE: Saw an article that suggested the Red Sox  
Reb8thVA : 12/11/2017 11:04 am : link
In comment 13735296 DaddyM89 said:
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sign JD Martinez AND Eric Hosmer. That would definitely spark their lineup but would be a shit ton of money..


Yeah that was Boras saying that Boston should sign both. Not surprising that he would try to take advantage of the situation after the Stanton trade
I hope they don't sign Hosmer  
Bill L : 12/11/2017 11:08 am : link
and I think Martinez is too expensive. Not sure what the answer is but I hope it's not either of those two (unless Boras is bluffing on Martinez' price).
stanton trade is now official  
DaddyM89 : 12/11/2017 11:10 am : link
yankees announced it and as mentioned press conference today at 2pm. should be interesting.
The JD Martinez contract  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2017 11:26 am : link
is going to be an an albatross deal in 3 years.
RE: I hope they don't sign Hosmer  
Reb8thVA : 12/11/2017 11:26 am : link
In comment 13735347 Bill L said:
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and I think Martinez is too expensive. Not sure what the answer is but I hope it's not either of those two (unless Boras is bluffing on Martinez' price).


Not much else out there. They desperately need more offense. Granted last year was a down year for both Betts and Bogaerts, but they need some power. Maybe they stay put, resign Moreland and reengage next year, but that most likely means we aren't going anywhere this year. Its a tough situation.
Brandon Morrow signing with the Cubs  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/11/2017 11:30 am : link
revamping the bullpen.
Winter Meetings for the Mets is the same every year  
moespree : 12/11/2017 11:33 am : link
Alderson walks in saying, hey, we're here to do business. Walks out after having done nothing, complaining that everything is too expensive and all the other teams are dumb. He'll wait and sign a fringe middle reliever or outfielder in the middle of January. Likely an often injured one and will tell you he'll be a steal if he stays healthy. Same thing every year. This one will be no different.
RE: Brandon Morrow signing with the Cubs  
Jay on the Island : 12/11/2017 11:45 am : link
In comment 13735390 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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revamping the bullpen.

The Cubs are having a very good offseason so far with Morrow and Chatwood
RE: Brandon Morrow signing with the Cubs  
rich in DC : 12/11/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13735390 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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revamping the bullpen.


Just based on the Internet rumors out there, I wonder if the Cubs will be the busiest team at the Winter meetings?
RE: RE: I hope they don't sign Hosmer  
rich in DC : 12/11/2017 11:51 am : link
In comment 13735384 Reb8thVA said:
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and I think Martinez is too expensive. Not sure what the answer is but I hope it's not either of those two (unless Boras is bluffing on Martinez' price).



Not much else out there. They desperately need more offense. Granted last year was a down year for both Betts and Bogaerts, but they need some power. Maybe they stay put, resign Moreland and reengage next year, but that most likely means we aren't going anywhere this year. Its a tough situation.


I wonder whether the Red Sox would chase Ozuna to get some power?
If mets dont get Shaw  
Rory : 12/11/2017 12:51 pm : link
that will be a telling sign that the org has zero resources available to keep the current payroll

They have been touting Shaw since Callaway was hired as their little golden goose player.

meanwhile Yankees trade for Stanton

cool
RE: RE: Brandon Morrow signing with the Cubs  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/11/2017 1:13 pm : link
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revamping the bullpen.



Just based on the Internet rumors out there, I wonder if the Cubs will be the busiest team at the Winter meetings?


I don't know busiest but they do need a ton of pitching depth across the board and a lead-off guy. Still think a lot leads to a Harper run next year.
stanton conference on now  
DaddyM89 : 12/11/2017 2:15 pm : link
said he spoke with jeter prior to trade. Wanted to compete and team wanted to rebuild so wanted to be traded. Said he gave his list of teams prior to San fran and St Louis trades. Just weren't right fit for him.
RE: RE: RE: I hope they don't sign Hosmer  
Reb8thVA : 12/11/2017 2:27 pm : link
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and I think Martinez is too expensive. Not sure what the answer is but I hope it's not either of those two (unless Boras is bluffing on Martinez' price).



Not much else out there. They desperately need more offense. Granted last year was a down year for both Betts and Bogaerts, but they need some power. Maybe they stay put, resign Moreland and reengage next year, but that most likely means we aren't going anywhere this year. Its a tough situation.



I wonder whether the Red Sox would chase Ozuna to get some power?


Interesting idea. I don't know if we have the chips other than Bradley to compete with the Cardinals or the Dodgers.
RE: RE: RE: I hope they don't sign Hosmer  
Bill L : 12/11/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13735435 rich in DC said:
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and I think Martinez is too expensive. Not sure what the answer is but I hope it's not either of those two (unless Boras is bluffing on Martinez' price).



Not much else out there. They desperately need more offense. Granted last year was a down year for both Betts and Bogaerts, but they need some power. Maybe they stay put, resign Moreland and reengage next year, but that most likely means we aren't going anywhere this year. Its a tough situation.



I wonder whether the Red Sox would chase Ozuna to get some power?
The Herald floated Price for Schwarber. I would shoot myself. But the Herald *really* hates Price.
Things may  
Shecky : 12/11/2017 3:33 pm : link
Just be starting to heat up
This shecky?  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2017 3:37 pm : link
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MLB Network reporting that the Mets and Rangers are discussing a deal involving Matt Harvey and Jurickson Profar.
Can we get some shecky thoughts ?  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2017 3:42 pm : link
ill hang up and listen.
I would hate Harvey for  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 3:42 pm : link
Profar. Yuck.
I LL take  
spike : 12/11/2017 3:43 pm : link
Profar
RE: I would hate Harvey for  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2017 3:44 pm : link
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Profar. Yuck.


I lean in this direction also. The last thing this roster needs is another reclamation projects.
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ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 3:50 pm : link
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Profar. Yuck.



I lean in this direction also. The last thing this roster needs is another reclamation projects.


My rationale is that I think Harvey can at least be a decent reliever in 2018 as a worst case scenario. He actually held velocity in the early innings last year but would completely lose it by the 3rd or 4th inning. Ugh.
Does Profar even have options left?  
ZGiants98 : 12/11/2017 3:52 pm : link
Can we even send him to AAA?
Maybe the Mets were trying to find a worse  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2017 3:53 pm : link
player than Goins.
Profar  
DanMetroMan : 12/11/2017 3:57 pm : link
is out of options, I would not do this deal. Profar for all of his talent is a career .229 MLB hitter, solid but unspectacular season in the PCL this past year. No problem liking him as a lottery ticket but no thanks for Harvey
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arcarsenal : 12/11/2017 3:58 pm : link
Profar.. yay. That's so exciting!
Can we just keep  
Metnut : 12/11/2017 3:58 pm : link
Harvey? We've already taken the lumps during his recovery last year. How about maybe reaping the rewards when he's pitching for a contract and as motivated as he'll ever be? Mets are in desperate need of starting pitching and can afford to deal away the lottery ticket that Harvey is IMO unless a real asset (not Profar) comes back.
Seems like Harvey is gonna get dealt  
Eric on Li : 12/11/2017 3:58 pm : link
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Profar finished 52nd in wRC+ and 52 in wOBA in the PCL, this isn't a guy who has "mashed everywhere" but the bigs #Mets
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Mets folks believe there's no chance Matt Harvey will be traded. Coming off a tough year, his value is at its lowest, and now that they've tendered him a contract, no point in giving him away.
So unless the Mets sign  
Metnut : 12/11/2017 4:14 pm : link
a pitcher, if they deal Harvey they will have Gsellmen, Lugo, Matz and Wheeler filling 3 rotation spots. Wheeler and Matz has shown ZERO ability to pitch through an entire season and didn't really look all that effective when "healthy" in 2017 either. Lugo has a torn ligament in his arm and clearly ran out of gas last year too. Gsellmen was one of the worst regular starting pitchers in MLB last year (to be fair, so was Harvey).

The starting pitching market is thin and does anyone have faith in the Mets to outbid other teams for any of the "good" starters out there?

Also, Bartolo Colon would be a joke signing. He had an ERA of almost 6.50 last year and will turn 45 next season.

I understand that there's a real chance that Harvey just sucks in 2018 and that the "Dark Knight" likely isn't coming back, but a lot of things are going to have to go right for the Mets to contend again in 2018, and a $6M or so lottery ticket with Harvey is a gamble I think the team needs to take.
Yes Colon  
pjcas18 : 12/11/2017 4:21 pm : link
would be a joke and I mentioned him facetiously, however, he'd fit right in with the rest of the 2017 Mets rotation scrap heap:

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2017 #'s

Harvey: 5 - 7 6.7 ERA, 1.694 WHIP, 63 ERA+, 6.37 FIP
Wheeler: 3 - 7, 5.21 ERA 1.58 WHIP, 81 ERA+, 5.03 FIP
Matz: 2 - 7, 6.08 ERA 1.53 WHIP 70 ERA+ 5.05 FIP
Gsellman: 8 - 7 5.19 ERA 1.504 WHIP 81 ERA+ 4.89 FIP

Colon: 5 - 6 5.18 ERA 1.438 WHIP 85 ERA+ 5.31 FIP
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