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Gettleman = McAdoo II

baadbill : 12/11/2017 9:09 am
He was fired by Carolina suddenly and unexpectedly... one week before training camp opened.


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When Dave Gettleman returned to Bank of America Stadium on Monday following his annual summer vacation to Cape Cod, he had a lot on his mind.

At the end of a vacation and with training camp a little more than a week away, there was much to do. The team had begun contract talks with guard Trai Turner and linebacker Thomas Davis and had a decision to make on left tackle Michael Oher.

Gettleman greeted staffers and discussed training-camp issues on Monday morning, ahead of a meeting that had been scheduled with owner Jerry Richardson.

His future with the franchise was not among the Gettleman’s worries, according to sources.

It should have been.

In a stunning and unprecedented development, Richardson fired Gettleman during that meeting, ending Gettleman’s four-year tenure as GM and beginning one of the most eventful weeks in team history.


His personality was a problem...

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In interviews with more than a dozen team and league sources, the Observer learned that Gettleman’s brusque management style – which had made him unpopular with some Carolina players from his earliest days as GM – had begun to wear thin throughout the organization.
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The bridges that were burned with former players, the growing tension within the building...


He clearly would have handled the Manning situation much better than McAdoo ... /s

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Smith’s situation was handled awkwardly from the start, with Gettleman’s cryptic response to a question about Smith’s future at the 2014 scouting combine, saying Smith’s future with the team was part of the “evaluation process.”

The mercurial Smith was furious a few weeks later when he said he learned about his release on sports talk radio.

“He doesn’t even have the cojones to tell us to our face (about the release),” Smith later told Charlotte radio station WFNZ. “We have to hear it from someone else. Then he calls and says it wasn’t personal.

“If the first thing that comes out is, ‘Well, it wasn’t personal,’ then guess what? It was personal.”

After Gettleman was fired Monday, Smith captioned a photo of the wide receiver laughing on his Twitter account: “It’s Okay! Dave I know you feel. ...”

Williams called Gettleman a “snake” via Twitter as well on Monday.

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Beason said during an interview with WFNZ this week that Gettleman accused him of faking his knee injury following microfracture surgery...


Yeaaaa! Sounds like a great fit for the Giants. /s

imo, if the Giants are interested, they should hire him to replace Chris Mara, but don't make him GM...

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Gettleman’s future is unclear. At 66, it’s unlikely he’ll get another GM job in the NFL, but he would be well qualified for a scouting or consultant role.




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Apples and oranges  
jeff57 : 12/11/2017 9:10 am : link
He's not a coach.
not true  
Andy in Boston : 12/11/2017 9:13 am : link
He's got a very solid draft history.
Well regarded by the Giants....he's not afraid to call players out....neither was reese.

I like the idea of bringing him in to groom Abrams for a few years. This GM that they hired is about succession for the future and much improved draft success. That's what Gettleman would bring to the table....and he knows the Maras and how the Giants operate.
Gettleman was well regarded  
AnnapolisMike : 12/11/2017 9:16 am : link
So what if he can be an asshole. Maybe this team needs an asshole around for a few years to make some hard decisions and get the organization back on track.
I will say it again  
NYBEN1963 : 12/11/2017 9:24 am : link
They need to get away from anyone with ties to the current front office...The George Young disciples, that way of operating does not work in today's NFL.
The entire  
NYBEN1963 : 12/11/2017 9:25 am : link
front office needs a overhaul...if you gonna clean house clean the ENTIRE house
Dave Gettleman  
Jerry K : 12/11/2017 9:33 am : link
was director of Pro Personnel while the Giants went to three Super Bowls. He was GM for the Panthers when they went to one Super Bowl. People shouldn't overlook his successes so readily. The Pro Personnel Dept of the Giants is one of the team's weakest areas. DG seems to take tough stands on free agent contracts, much like the Patriots, which is probably why some players bad mouth him.

If he were GM I doubt that JPP would be on the team today, at least not anywhere near his current contract value.
If they really mean to clean house...  
silverfox : 12/11/2017 9:34 am : link
....then wipe out every trace of it.
It isn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/11/2017 9:38 am : link
that difficult to understand why he was fired - he had the gall to look at restructuring or trading/releasing Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen.

When Jerry richardson told him to stop looking at things like that, Gettleman told him it was his job to look at all options.

Because those two guys were the owners favorite players, he fired Gettleman.

I'd rather have a guy who investigates all options, but what confuses me are people who read the articles and come to the conclusion Gettleman somehow was poor at his job which is why he was fired.
Hmmm  
rasbutant : 12/11/2017 9:44 am : link
So if Bellicheck was an option some people wouldn't want him because he has past ties to the organization?

I keep seeing this reasoning about Gentleman. Makes no sense.
He was worring about Greg Olson's age and getting injured  
ZogZerg : 12/11/2017 9:47 am : link
Hmmm. The nerve of him.
Fans are brutal..  
Sean : 12/11/2017 9:47 am : link
Half the board was clammoring for Gettleman when Reese was here.
RE: Gettleman was well regarded  
KeoweeFan : 12/11/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13735029 AnnapolisMike said:
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So what if he can be an asshole. Maybe this team needs an asshole around for a few years to make some hard decisions and get the organization back on track.

Some of us remember Billy Martin; his forte was turnaround situations (which he did well several times). Eventually his style wears thin.
At his age, Gettleman may be the answer for the next 1/2 decade or so, and he is not the field manager. He may be able to set the organization tone for players such as OBJ or Eli Apple.
RE: not true  
old man : 12/11/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13735021 Andy in Boston said:
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He's got a very solid draft history.
Well regarded by the Giants....he's not afraid to call players out....neither was reese.

I like the idea of bringing him in to groom Abrams for a few years. This GM that they hired is about succession for the future and much improved draft success. That's what Gettleman would bring to the table....and he knows the Maras and how the Giants operate.


You may be right. He may be a rental. He likely gives owners a respected comfort zone....the talent for finding talent but a gruff that would tell them to there face NO . At the moment he may be the talent guy and Abram's the Operations guy while grooming. At the moment lots of FO chaos there..KA is the smooth over the chaos guy but DG there to right the ship.
RE: It isn't..  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 12/11/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13735108 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that difficult to understand why he was fired - he had the gall to look at restructuring or trading/releasing Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen.

When Jerry richardson told him to stop looking at things like that, Gettleman told him it was his job to look at all options.

Because those two guys were the owners favorite players, he fired Gettleman.

Fat man, would you be comfortable with Gettleman?
I'd rather have a guy who investigates all options, but what confuses me are people who read the articles and come to the conclusion Gettleman somehow was poor at his job which is why he was fired.
I am not a fan of Gettleman but here is the other reality..  
EricJ : 12/11/2017 9:55 am : link
GM's do not grow on trees anymore and the best ones are not available. So, we are left with guys with a track record but have baggage like Gettleman and guys who have little to no experience as a GM.

Both choices suck. However, given the choice I want the guy who has an eye for talent and is not going to waste our top draft picks like we have experienced with Reese.
Gettleman cut ties with WR Smith ... which is fine ...  
baadbill : 12/11/2017 9:56 am : link
but Smith heard about it on the radio (sound familiar)?

And that is just one story ... apparently he burned bridges most of the people he dealt with...

one agent says while Gettleman was a good talent evaluator, all those years as a scout never provided him with the interpersonal skills he needed to be a GM
Fucked up my reply in Fatman’s post.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 12/11/2017 10:00 am : link
Fatman would you be comfortable with Gettleman as GM?
bad anology by the OP. Gettleman should be compared to the GM  
Victor in CT : 12/11/2017 10:03 am : link
not the Head Coach. Seems like Reese was a much better GM was Gettleman was in the house.

McAdoo is a phonier Eric Mangini. But at least Mangini came from a 3 time SB winner working for Bill Belichick before the Jets job. It's amazing how last year went to his head. The new slick hairdo, much more pompous demeanor should have been warnign signs.
RE: bad anology by the OP. Gettleman should be compared to the GM  
baadbill : 12/11/2017 10:07 am : link
In comment 13735198 Victor in CT said:
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not the Head Coach. Seems like Reese was a much better GM was Gettleman was in the house.

McAdoo is a phonier Eric Mangini. But at least Mangini came from a 3 time SB winner working for Bill Belichick before the Jets job. It's amazing how last year went to his head. The new slick hairdo, much more pompous demeanor should have been warnign signs.


I'm not comparing their titles... I'm comparing their personalities and lack of empathy ... I'm comparing HOW McAdoo handled Manning ... without talking to him privately ... and how Gettleman handled Smith (who to the Panthers was the same as Manning)

RE: RE: It isn't..  
Andy in Boston : 12/11/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13735169 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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In comment 13735108 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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that difficult to understand why he was fired - he had the gall to look at restructuring or trading/releasing Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen.

When Jerry richardson told him to stop looking at things like that, Gettleman told him it was his job to look at all options.

Because those two guys were the owners favorite players, he fired Gettleman.

Fat man, would you be comfortable with Gettleman?
I'd rather have a guy who investigates all options, but what confuses me are people who read the articles and come to the conclusion Gettleman somehow was poor at his job which is why he was fired.


And at the end of the day...if he's hired, he may decide to get rid of Marc Ross and hire his own guy to run the draft and the college scouting department.
I feel pretty comfortable saying  
djm : 12/11/2017 10:25 am : link
that no one will ever be as bad as McAdoo. Comparing a guy like Gettleman, who has run teams and run them well, even if he was fired for good reason, is laughable. McAdoo hasn't done one single positive thing for the Giants. NOT. ONE. If Beckham was never drafted here McAdoo is out of job by 2016 and never gets the HC gig.

Stop comparing anything to McAdoo. It shows a lack of awareness. McAdoo was so bad he literally destroyed a franchise's standing in the span of 3 months. The guy made HAndley look ok.

Should have kept Coughlin and went after it one more time with a real roster. Coughlin didn't coach a legit team since 2012. He got more out of the 2015 Giants than McAdoo could have dreamed of. Whatever...what's done is done.
Coughlin was part of the problem  
RollBlue : 12/11/2017 10:37 am : link
he was the one that hired McAdoo in the first place, and had a huge say in the roster. That ship has sailed, and rightfully so. He was head coach of 7-9, 6-10, 6-10, why does he keep getting excuses?

Apparently Spags learned well from him, punting on 4th and 3 from the Dallas 36.
RE: The entire  
NYG007 : 12/11/2017 10:43 am : link
In comment 13735053 NYBEN1963 said:
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front office needs a overhaul...if you gonna clean house clean the ENTIRE house


This is why Gettleman hire means nothing will change. Ross and his team will still scout awful players and claim they built the best team. We need an entirely new front office on the personnel side
RE: It isn't..  
FStubbs : 12/11/2017 10:51 am : link
In comment 13735108 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that difficult to understand why he was fired - he had the gall to look at restructuring or trading/releasing Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen.

When Jerry richardson told him to stop looking at things like that, Gettleman told him it was his job to look at all options.

Because those two guys were the owners favorite players, he fired Gettleman.

I'd rather have a guy who investigates all options, but what confuses me are people who read the articles and come to the conclusion Gettleman somehow was poor at his job which is why he was fired.


If he had the same record and no prior history with the Giants, I'd be interested but have concerns about his age.

But no. I don't want anyone with a recent tie to this team. We need new thinking. Gettleman would keep the same sorry scouts and maybe even Ross in place - and that's not even considering Chris Mara.
I'd be comfortable..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/11/2017 10:53 am : link
with Gettleman. I'd prefer he come in and tutor a guy like Abrahms, as I've heard very positive things about his skills.

But here's a little secret - Carolina actually was comfortable with Gettleman. Richardson didn't mind him getting rid of Smith, Williams or Norman and actually used Gettleman's "New York style" to buffer any responsibility he held.

Where Gettleman sealed his demise was trying to look at options on how to handle Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen going forward - and he wasn't even suggesting getting rid of either - he laid out the options of restructuring, trading, releasing or keeping them as is and the two players complained and Richardson fired Gettleman.

I want a guy who isn't afraid to look at things objectively, even when it comes to vets who are nearing the end or costing too much
I don't get..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/11/2017 10:55 am : link
the comments that hiring Gettleman means nothing l change.

You're talking about a guy who was fired because he was making tough decisions.

Now people think he's just a mouthpiece for ownership??

Jesus christ.
RE: I'd be comfortable..  
Victor in CT : 12/11/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13735320 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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with Gettleman. I'd prefer he come in and tutor a guy like Abrahms, as I've heard very positive things about his skills.

But here's a little secret - Carolina actually was comfortable with Gettleman. Richardson didn't mind him getting rid of Smith, Williams or Norman and actually used Gettleman's "New York style" to buffer any responsibility he held.

Where Gettleman sealed his demise was trying to look at options on how to handle Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen going forward - and he wasn't even suggesting getting rid of either - he laid out the options of restructuring, trading, releasing or keeping them as is and the two players complained and Richardson fired Gettleman.

I want a guy who isn't afraid to look at things objectively, even when it comes to vets who are nearing the end or costing too much


Maybe it's just me, but I think Richardson is the problem here, not Gettleman. That reeks of "Art Modell, all the players are my pals" style of ownership that leads to failure
FMIC  
bigbluehoya : 12/11/2017 10:58 am : link
how do you feel about the view that a new 65+ GM may not take as long of a view into the future as may be in the best interest of the org?
so summing up this thread  
Les in TO : 12/11/2017 11:01 am : link
Gettleman pros - long history of successfully finding talented players in draft and free agency, objectively looks at contracts of all players to seek value even sacred cows, lots of experience, ties to the team culture and structure assures easier assimilation to role

Gettleman cons: can be an a-hole/not strong diplomacy skills, ties to Giants organization/status quo when a full cultural refresh is needed
Gettleman  
ryanmkeane : 12/11/2017 11:03 am : link
guided the Panthers to 3 straight NFC South titles and a SB in just 4 years as GM. He also had some really nice drafts in that time period. Their team this year is also a strong contender for the division title and the playoffs.

He wouldn't be my first choice, but the guy seems to know what he's doing.
RE: not true  
djstat : 12/11/2017 11:03 am : link
In comment 13735021 Andy in Boston said:
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He's got a very solid draft history.
Well regarded by the Giants....he's not afraid to call players out....neither was reese.

I like the idea of bringing him in to groom Abrams for a few years. This GM that they hired is about succession for the future and much improved draft success. That's what Gettleman would bring to the table....and he knows the Maras and how the Giants operate.
Who did he draft in Carolina?
djstat  
ryanmkeane : 12/11/2017 11:06 am : link
Gettleman's draft history with Carolina was discussed in another thread. But in 4 drafts, he was pretty successful - drafting multiple pro bowl quality players and bringing in guys who are quality starters... and not missing on entire drafts all together.
WHy Rush?  
djstat : 12/11/2017 11:12 am : link
There is great talent out there. Eliot Wolf, Eric DeCosta. Patience.
I look at this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/11/2017 11:14 am : link
as a non-starter:

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FMIC
bigbluehoya : 10:58 am : link : reply
how do you feel about the view that a new 65+ GM may not take as long of a view into the future as may be in the best interest of the org?


Frankly, most football guys are in it for the thrill of football, not looking to shirk off things to hit retirement. Most of these guys could've retired years ago if they wanted.

Unless age causes a decline in faculties, it really shouldn't be that big of an issue. But actually, I'd prefer more of a role where Gettleman tutors Abrahms rather than one where Gettleman in the answer. And I'd be fine going outside the organization too.

I just don't understand the posts that say Gettleman is a puppet or staying in house is safe or that going outside is a decidedly better option.
That’s fair, thanks for the reply  
bigbluehoya : 12/11/2017 11:17 am : link
Gettleman doesn’t excite me per se, but I wouldn’t lose my shit about it.

My biggest thing is that he isn’t a guy that I’d rush to hire this week before some other currently employed candidates are able to be interviewed. To me, that would point to a fundamental weakness in the process.

I get your point about “puppet”, “not really a change”, “LOLMARA”, etc.
bigblue  
ryanmkeane : 12/11/2017 11:23 am : link
I agree...if they don't take a look at the other qualified guys that are willing to listen, and that's a big if (Caserio, Wolf, Paton, DeCosta, etc)...that would seem like the "process" is a bit of a sham. If they do, and still hire Gettleman, then perfectly fine.

With some of the decisions that have to be made  
ghost718 : 12/11/2017 11:27 am : link
Top pick,extensions for current players,salary cap issues,etc.It might be wise to hire Gettleman or someone with experience.

Like some have been saying,it's going to be difficult to find everyones dream tandem.

If he's willing to stand up to ownership...  
Sarcastic Sam : 12/11/2017 11:33 am : link
... and in particular, to Chris Mara, I think this would be a net positive for the Giants.
you've got no idea why  
UConn4523 : 12/11/2017 11:36 am : link
what happened in Carolina, happened. You can not like the hire all you want, but there's really nothing to go off of other than what he did with picks and the cap, of which he's been solid.
RE: The entire  
batman11 : 12/11/2017 11:37 am : link
In comment 13735053 NYBEN1963 said:
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front office needs a overhaul...if you gonna clean house clean the ENTIRE house


This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It would be a terrible hire  
moespree : 12/11/2017 11:38 am : link
He will be 67 next year. That's one year older than Ernie was when he left the Giants. This would not be a hire for a GM that stays 10 years. And when he leaves the team after 3-5 years what do you think will happen? They'll promote from within...again. And yet there Chris Mara will be. Still with a job, still with a level of influence and still surviving through his third GM change.

Jints Central is so predictable...  
bw in dc : 12/11/2017 11:57 am : link
They just love the comfort of their box. And you can tell they felt like the McAdoo era took them out of it. So the scurry to get back into it was underway...

I just knew once they called the Accorsi bat-phone, and had that jerk off back in the mix, the box would cleaned-up, polished and ready for re-entry.


You can just hear the happiness at Jints Central when they announce Gettleman - "Hip hip hooray! Everyone pull up your socks and jump back into the box!"

This is going to be a disaster...


Gettleman would be GM in name only  
Rflairr : 12/11/2017 12:08 pm : link
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Kevin in Annapolis : 12/11/2017 12:16 pm : link
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RE: Gettleman was well regarded  
Ira : 12/11/2017 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13735029 AnnapolisMike said:
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So what if he can be an asshole. Maybe this team needs an asshole around for a few years to make some hard decisions and get the organization back on track.


That's exactly what I've been thinking.
RE: Hmmm  
gmenatlarge : 12/11/2017 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13735132 rasbutant said:
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So if Bellicheck was an option some people wouldn't want him because he has past ties to the organization?

I keep seeing this reasoning about Gentleman. Makes no sense.


People really gotta stop with the Belichek talk, that ship has sailed a long time ago.
I'm ok with Gettleman as a stop-gap  
SHO'NUFF : 12/11/2017 12:29 pm : link
for Abrams...and how the hell is anything from Cleveland ever a hot commodity? Sure, they made some good draft trades recently, but still...
RE: Jints Central is so predictable...  
SHO'NUFF : 12/11/2017 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13735445 bw in dc said:
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They just love the comfort of their box. And you can tell they felt like the McAdoo era took them out of it. So the scurry to get back into it was underway...

I just knew once they called the Accorsi bat-phone, and had that jerk off back in the mix, the box would cleaned-up, polished and ready for re-entry.


You can just hear the happiness at Jints Central when they announce Gettleman - "Hip hip hooray! Everyone pull up your socks and jump back into the box!"

This is going to be a disaster...



You do have a point. I feel like ownership is not doing their due diligence by immediately jumping into bed with Accorsi. It feels like a panicked decision again.
Who cares what the narrative behind the hiring is?  
DieHard : 12/11/2017 12:49 pm : link
Does it really matter how you arrive at the result if the result is good? Because Gettleman has ties to the Giants he's a bad choice because it's "in the box"? Hell, if they hired Rooney and Kate Mara to run the team and it works, who cares how it comes to be?

The way some folks go on, those recent Super Bowl wins must have materialized out of pixie dust, because clearly no management person associated with the Giants during that span deserves any credit, or has any credibility being involved in this hire.
I'm not advocating for Gettleman  
Captplanet : 12/11/2017 1:43 pm : link
But you can't argue with his success. Part of 3 superbowl teams with two organizations.
He has a philosophy that is inline with the way football needs to be played in NY (strong lines, running game).

If it is not Gettleman than the person who comes in should have a track record of excellence. Not just a guy who built a good team. There have been a ton of good teams, who have not been able to sustain a level of excellence... see(2010-2013 49ers, 2008-2010 Bears, 2012 Arizona Cardinals).
RE: Coughlin was part of the problem  
djm : 12/11/2017 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13735276 RollBlue said:
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he was the one that hired McAdoo in the first place, and had a huge say in the roster. That ship has sailed, and rightfully so. He was head coach of 7-9, 6-10, 6-10, why does he keep getting excuses?

Apparently Spags learned well from him, punting on 4th and 3 from the Dallas 36.


Coughlin didn't hire mcadoo. Mara did. And those shitty teams from 2013-2015 were devoid of talent and that's being kind. Coughlin wasn't perfect but he was the best head coach this team had since parcells and by a wide margin. They fucked up when they fired Coughlin but worse they hired a loser to replace him. I can see moving on but for mcadoo? Garbage stupid ass move by Mara. They fired Coughlin because he was getting older. Stupid.

If Coughlin stayed Reese is still employed by nyg and they don't crash and burn this season. I firmly believe that.
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