...Giants trade places with Denver and secure additional 2nd and 3rd round picks.
Denver is jones-ing for a QB so let them get one at #2.
We slip down to #4 and take Mason Rudolph, QB out of Oklahoma State, who only has 12,000+ yards; 63% pass completion average; and 82 TD passes in his 4-year career.
And then we're sitting pretty with 4 premium draft picks in Rounds Two & Three.
Also a huge Quentin Nelson fan. If you look at all the projected top 20 players. Nelson might be the guy who you look at and say "he's the closest guarantee to a 10 year all pro type player."
A few things need to happen 1) Giants are in driver seat for #2 pick, they cannot blow it by late season heroics and 2) they need to use the pick to draft the best QB available
Any other strategy would be foolish.
Interesting supposition in Leonard's column today about not playing Webb, that Reese at least in part could have been fired because after seeing Weeb since June in camp and practice that they have already determined that he can't play and that Reese reached and wasted a high pick on him while neglecting the OL. Purely speculative, but an intersting theory.
Sorry I can't attach the column, website being blocked here for some reason.
Please god no
Interesting supposition in Leonard's column today about not playing Webb, that Reese at least in part could have been fired because after seeing Weeb since June in camp and practice that they have already determined that he can't play and that Reese reached and wasted a high pick on him while neglecting the OL. Purely speculative, but an intersting theory.
Sorry I can't attach the column, website being blocked here for some reason.
It would explain why he hasn't been promoted to the #2 QB spot. With that said I believe that the Giants don't think he can play. He flashed in the preseason more than most failed picks like Woodson, Bomar, etc. I am still all in on a QB in the first round but I still have hope that Webb can be a very good backup or hopefully a Garoppolo type that can serve as a backup for 2 years then traded for a pick.
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you don't pass that up. If none of them are worthy, then you do as M.S. suggests.
Interesting supposition in Leonard's column today about not playing Webb, that Reese at least in part could have been fired because after seeing Weeb since June in camp and practice that they have already determined that he can't play and that Reese reached and wasted a high pick on him while neglecting the OL. Purely speculative, but an intersting theory.
Sorry I can't attach the column, website being blocked here for some reason.
It would explain why he hasn't been promoted to the #2 QB spot. With that said I believe that the Giants don't think he can play. He flashed in the preseason more than most failed picks like Woodson, Bomar, etc. I am still all in on a QB in the first round but I still have hope that Webb can be a very good backup or hopefully a Garoppolo type that can serve as a backup for 2 years then traded for a pick.
I agree with you. It fits in with Sy56's draft review as well, that he was a project with so many flaws in his game that it would be unlikely to be able to fix them all and become a bona fide starting NFL QB.
*Giants trade QB Eli Manning to the Jaguars for a 1st round pick.
(Jags currently pick #23 overall.)
Giants, say, have the #2, #23 and #34. How does it play out?
*Giants trade QB Eli Manning to the Jaguars for a 1st round pick.
(Jags currently pick #23 overall.)
Giants, say, have the #2, #23 and #34. How does it play out?
nice thought, but I think it will be hard to get a #1 for him. Big $$ left on his deal coming off one of his worst seasons, and the Giants would be known sellers.
Im a huge Eli fan but this is true.
Yes but who are those OL vets in FA next year from what I’ve read on here
Their isn’t a good crop of free agents next year and that Pugh and Richburg are the top dogs .....
*Giants trade QB Eli Manning to the Jaguars for a 1st round pick.
(Jags currently pick #23 overall.)
Giants, say, have the #2, #23 and #34. How does it play out?
Something that MIGHT be worth discussing going forward.
The Jags have Bortles at QB and the only real talent they added to their offensive skill players was a high end RB- Fournette. yet, the Jags offense has generally prospered- even with the hot and cold play of Bortles.
I also note how the loss of Elliott has exposed the Dallas offense- compared to how that offense performs with Elliott.
On the flip side, high pick QBs like Goff and Wentz have raised their team- but both are surrounded by very good talent at the skill spots- so was it the QB that made the team better, or was it a better plan offensively?
Thus, it kind of begs the question- have teams underrated the RB position to the point where a great back can single-handedly make the offense better?
In other words, could Bradley be a better choice for the Giants in the first round than a top QB? The Giants COULD be in a position to get a guy like Sam Bradford in FA (the Vikes are probably going to choose between Keenum or Bridgewater)- and already have a talented set of receivers (WR and TE).
Could Bradley make an Elliott/Fournette type of difference on the offense with the Giants?
On the other hand, if you DON'T get a QB like that, almost anything you pay is too much. See RGIII. (Who looked like that guy, then wasn't.)
It's a crapshoot, but sometimes you gotta roll the dice. If you think Darnold is the only guy, trade up to get him. If you think Rosen's the guy and you can get him at #2, you take him. If you think Mayfield's the guy, maybe you draft Rosen and trade him down to get Mayfield, the way the Chargers drafted Eli and traded down. Whatever it takes to get your guy.
And then you hope he's durable. Never underestimate the value of Eli's durability. Ask the Texans. And the Eagles. And the Packers. And...
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Free agency is the first fish to fry. Lets bring in a couple of OL vets to solidify the O line and get at least one OLB as well.
Yes but who are those OL vets in FA next year from what I’ve read on here
Their isn’t a good crop of free agents next year and that Pugh and Richburg are the top dogs .....
Now THAT is a bad OL class in FA
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Free agency is the first fish to fry. Lets bring in a couple of OL vets to solidify the O line and get at least one OLB as well.
Yes but who are those OL vets in FA next year from what I’ve read on here
Their isn’t a good crop of free agents next year and that Pugh and Richburg are the top dogs .....
Richburg and Pugh might be re-signed but I think with Jones proving to be serviceable, Richburg is less likely.
I think DJ Fluker showed enough to possibly return. A few targets at Guard I like are Jonathan Cooper ( 27 years old ) Senio Kelemete ( 27 yrs old ) and Amini Silatolu ( 29 yrs old ).
A possible tackle prospect for 1 year is Andre Smith ( 30 yrs old ) and Michael Schofield ( 27 yrs old ).
At Center, Wesley Johnson ( 26 yrs old ) could be a target.
Ideally we bring in one vet Guard and a Tackle. I think Cooper and Schofield would be good additions.
Then draft a Center and another LT prospect. People keep mentioning Price from Ohio St as a good 2nd round pick.
Jerry, Hart, Wheeler and Bisnowaty will be in camp to provide competition and depth. Flowers will be your LT until somebody can beat him out.
This oline will not be fixed in one year but a change in philosophy to a power run/ play action passing attack will help with some of the issues. Adding a big play RB couldn't hurt.
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hypothetical?
*Giants trade QB Eli Manning to the Jaguars for a 1st round pick.
(Jags currently pick #23 overall.)
Giants, say, have the #2, #23 and #34. How does it play out?
nice thought, but I think it will be hard to get a #1 for him. Big $$ left on his deal coming off one of his worst seasons, and the Giants would be known sellers.
Bortles , regardless of what you think of him, is playing better than Eli. He's younger and picks up loose rushing change with his legs. Eli is not bringing the Jags' 1.
Webb is an unknown who will stay so, apparently . I don't know why Reese was trying to hide him if he agreed with McAdoo's move .
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hypothetical?
*Giants trade QB Eli Manning to the Jaguars for a 1st round pick.
(Jags currently pick #23 overall.)
Giants, say, have the #2, #23 and #34. How does it play out?
nice thought, but I think it will be hard to get a #1 for him. Big $$ left on his deal coming off one of his worst seasons, and the Giants would be known sellers.
Bortles , regardless of what you think of him, is playing better than Eli. He's younger and picks up loose rushing change with his legs. Eli is not bringing the Jags' 1.
Webb is an unknown who will stay so, apparently . I don't know why Reese was trying to hide him if he agreed with McAdoo's move .
I said I DIDN'T think they could get a #1 for Eli.
This is wrong. You can’t say with absolute certainty Rudolph will be there in round 2.
No one knows where these QBs will go right now outside of Rosen and Darnold. When they talked about Mayfield yesterday teams are all over the place on him — some first round grades, some fourth round grades, some 2nd round.
Then we should not hire Gettleman
And despite losing a game they came so close to winning, the Browns game was encouraging for two reasons...
1) Unlike the Giants, they played competitive football against a 6-6 team (despite the tight score for much of the game, the Giants were outplayed from start to finish and the final score of 30-10 was well-deserved). It's doubtful, but possible that they could win two out of their three remaining games. They are home against Baltimore (who just gave up 39 points and over 500 yards of offense to the Steelers), on the road vs Chicago (4-9), and then finish on road vs Pittsburgh (whose playoff position may be locked in, meaning they could be resting players). Like I said, doubtful they win two of those, but not entirely out of the question.
2)Kizer seemed to have a decent game, at least statistically speaking (20 for 28, 214 yards, 3TD, 2 INT). If he finishes strong with Gordon and Coleman as his wideouts, it's possible they don't use their first pick on a QB and instead prefer to grab Barkley or Chubb with that pick and figure on taking a QB like Allen or Mayfield (or if Darnold drops) with the pick they get from Houston (the 6th or 7th overall) .
So the Giants improved their chances of getting the top-rated QB!
Please please please.
Is the drop-off from the top couple QBs to the next batch of three or four so steep that Giants must spend the #2 pick on one?
Is the drop-off from the top couple QBs to the next batch of three or four so steep that Giants must spend the #2 pick on one?
Yes, there absolutely are. There is no question about that. Watch these guys in there respective Bowl games, think you’ll be pleased.
but with a shaky OL ,no quality in the WR corps and a misfiring running game hard to see what evaluation you can gleen from that other than how he handles hits and pressure