The idea or discussion to move on from or trade Eli away (to Jax for instance) has gone from what would have been the realm of crazy talk just a few weeks ago to casually acceptable since everything that went down recently.
The fact that it's mentioned in so many discussions now without being disagreed with or opposed compared to how such a suggestion would have been reacted to not that long ago shows that the mindset of most has been changed to accepting it, sad as it may be.
That makes me wonder if ownership didn't purposely allow everything to happen just like it did, scapegoating McAdoo and Reese in process (not that they don't deserve the blame) so that they could make the idea of Eli winding up elsewhere as part of cleaning house more palatable to the fanbase (sympathetically for Eli at that), a ham handed way of addressing the elephant in the room, but mission accomplished nonetheless.
The whole situation was carried out as bad as imaginable as it makes you wonder if it wasn't an accident and actually had an intended outcome that we're about to see.
I think Mara believed Eli would accept his keep the streak alive deal. I'm also guessing he didn't expect the back lash to be as severe.
When he didn't, he panicked and decided to let Macadoo and Reese fall on the sword, as I'm sure he was already planning on firing both at season's end anyway.
Explain why he didn't face the media day of
of Bullies, and a beast Running back and he can play.
Smiles when McAdoo botches press conference.
Allows Geno to start vs Oakland but leaks that McAdoo most likely fired Monday.
Giants lose after a week of acrimony from fans, possible planned protests, etc.
Mara comes on all contrite....says we fired McAdoo, apologized to Eli and will have him start rest of season.
New coach when hired won't have to deal with Eli's streak.
Eli welcomed as a hero yesterday!
Now nothing is sacred and anything can happen.
Could not have choreographed it better.
Smiles when McAdoo botches press conference.
Allows Geno to start vs Oakland but leaks that McAdoo most likely fired Monday.
Giants lose after a week of acrimony from fans, possible planned protests, etc.
Mara comes on all contrite....says we fired McAdoo, apologized to Eli and will have him start rest of season.
New coach when hired won't have to deal with Eli's streak.
Eli welcomed as a hero yesterday!
Now nothing is sacred and anything can happen.
Could not have choreographed it better.
That's it much more concisely than I put it. Doesn't sound so crazy when stated just like you did.
of Bullies, and a beast Running back and he can play.
Almost all QBs can succeed with a stud offensive line and a good running game. You need to find someone who can succeed without ideal conditions.
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Ownership has McAdoo bench Eli for Geno.
Smiles when McAdoo botches press conference.
Allows Geno to start vs Oakland but leaks that McAdoo most likely fired Monday.
Giants lose after a week of acrimony from fans, possible planned protests, etc.
Mara comes on all contrite....says we fired McAdoo, apologized to Eli and will have him start rest of season.
New coach when hired won't have to deal with Eli's streak.
Eli welcomed as a hero yesterday!
Now nothing is sacred and anything can happen.
Could not have choreographed it better.
That's it much more concisely than I put it. Doesn't sound so crazy when stated just like you did.
Maybe ownership are buffoons, but maybe they hired a consultant to script it. LOL
Sounds like someone who's in the news all the time.
I mean you'd think decision #1 would be how will we handle the press.
I think Mara believed Eli would accept his keep the streak alive deal. I'm also guessing he didn't expect the back lash to be as severe.
When he didn't, he panicked and decided to let Macadoo and Reese fall on the sword, as I'm sure he was already planning on firing both at season's end anyway.
Explain why he didn't face the media day of
McAdoo wanted to save his ass. He was confident that Eli was the cause for offensive failure. What to do? BM decides he wants to play Geno and gets Reese on board.
One or both talk to Mara and ask permission to let Webb get some reps to evaluate where they are at.
McAdoo goes back to Eli and informs him Smith/Webb will start 2nd halves.
Eli says he will not play partial games. BOOM!!!
McAdoo starts Smith and the shit storm begins.
Mara decides enough is enough and fires both Ben & Jerry.
He had plenty of time on many plays yet He missed wide open receivers, threw passes that should been easy catches but made them tough catches.
On that pass to Engram when the B.B. had his back turned, there was a time Eli would have hit the DB in the back of the head and gotten an interference call. Instead he threw the ball at Engram’s feet.
Sad to say but he is no longer an elite QB, and may not even be mediocre.
Does anyone really think 2 guys on verge of being fired came up with the idea of benching Eli?
Both Reese &MacMagoo deserved to be fired, Reese for lousy picks and MacMagoo for losing team.
The reality is Eli is finished , if yesterday's game didn't prove it , nothing will.
Possibly the only thing MacMagoo did right was notice the end of Eli.
I said it for years - if Eli's last name was Smith, he would have been released 2 years ago. But, he did have a good run
It caused the rest of the crazy things to happen last week, including his own dismissal.
Maybe this was at a higher level, but the feeling sounds to me like something management talked about "Lets see what the other QBs have" and turned into something worse.
Does anyone really think 2 guys on verge of being fired came up with the idea of benching Eli?
Both Reese &MacMagoo deserved to be fired, Reese for lousy picks and MacMagoo for losing team.
The reality is Eli is finished , if yesterday's game didn't prove it , nothing will.
Possibly the only thing MacMagoo did right was notice the end of Eli.
I said it for years - if Eli's last name was Smith, he would have been released 2 years ago. But, he did have a good run
Yes, the fact that they knew they were on the verge of being fired makes this even more possible that Reese and McAdoo orchestrated this.
Why else would they go to Eli and tell him he is not starting when Webb is not even active? They went to Mara with Webb as bait to slide Geno in as a last-ditch Hail Mary to save their jobs. McAdoo had spent the whole last two years laying blame for the Offense failures on Eli and expressed that a more mobile QB was needed. These two knowing that they were done figured that if Geno goes out there and lights it up they might save themselves. that the excuse of Eli and Injuries would be enough
I think Mara believed Eli would accept his keep the streak alive deal. I'm also guessing he didn't expect the back lash to be as severe.
When he didn't, he panicked and decided to let Macadoo and Reese fall on the sword, as I'm sure he was already planning on firing both at season's end anyway.
Explain why he didn't face the media day of
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Of course the owners orchestrated the Eli debacle.
Does anyone really think 2 guys on verge of being fired came up with the idea of benching Eli?
Both Reese &MacMagoo deserved to be fired, Reese for lousy picks and MacMagoo for losing team.
The reality is Eli is finished , if yesterday's game didn't prove it , nothing will.
Possibly the only thing MacMagoo did right was notice the end of Eli.
I said it for years - if Eli's last name was Smith, he would have been released 2 years ago. But, he did have a good run
Yes, the fact that they knew they were on the verge of being fired makes this even more possible that Reese and McAdoo orchestrated this.
Why else would they go to Eli and tell him he is not starting when Webb is not even active? They went to Mara with Webb as bait to slide Geno in as a last-ditch Hail Mary to save their jobs. McAdoo had spent the whole last two years laying blame for the Offense failures on Eli and expressed that a more mobile QB was needed. These two knowing that they were done figured that if Geno goes out there and lights it up they might save themselves. that the excuse of Eli and Injuries would be enough
People who are being fired are NOT allowed to make decisions.Mara probably expected a different outcome, but OWNERSHIP made the decision
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Of course the owners orchestrated the Eli debacle.
Does anyone really think 2 guys on verge of being fired came up with the idea of benching Eli?
Both Reese &MacMagoo deserved to be fired, Reese for lousy picks and MacMagoo for losing team.
The reality is Eli is finished , if yesterday's game didn't prove it , nothing will.
Possibly the only thing MacMagoo did right was notice the end of Eli.
I said it for years - if Eli's last name was Smith, he would have been released 2 years ago. But, he did have a good run
Yes, the fact that they knew they were on the verge of being fired makes this even more possible that Reese and McAdoo orchestrated this.
Why else would they go to Eli and tell him he is not starting when Webb is not even active? They went to Mara with Webb as bait to slide Geno in as a last-ditch Hail Mary to save their jobs. McAdoo had spent the whole last two years laying blame for the Offense failures on Eli and expressed that a more mobile QB was needed. These two knowing that they were done figured that if Geno goes out there and lights it up they might save themselves. that the excuse of Eli and Injuries would be enough
People who are being fired are NOT allowed to make decisions.Mara probably expected a different outcome, but OWNERSHIP made the decision
There was no unequivocal "you're being fired" until AFTER the Eli debacle. Any coach is going to be given the opportunity to decide who starts and plays until they are canned so your point lacks merit on that aspect alone
People who are being fired are NOT allowed to make decisions.Mara probably expected a different outcome, but OWNERSHIP made the decision
There was no unequivocal "you're being fired" until AFTER the Eli debacle. Any coach is going to be given the opportunity to decide who starts and plays until they are canned so your point lacks merit on that aspect alone
True save for Jerry Jones & Jason Garrett.
+1.
Then when it went down and Reese was quiet, and Mara wasn't there, and Reese being quiet didn't cover Mara, Reese became persona non grata too...and the draft fails became the reason .