So, just tuned into WFAN to hear what the pope has to say on the deal. His views so far have been surprising but I guess it has sonething to do with him being so adamant that Stanton would not be on the Yakees.
- He is not a fan of the deal
- It will create problems in the clubhouse
- Judge goes from being face of the franchise to 2nd. Stanton will be the face now.
- Players like Judge and Sanchez will be pissed of when they see how much Stanton is making compared to them with similar production
- It's a trade the Yankees could not pass up on but he doesn't like it
- Yankees plan of going under tax fgoes out the window if they want to add another pitcher
This is some of what he has said. He's really off on a few points. No matter how good Stanton is, the face of this franchise is going to be Aaron Judge. Don't know what Mike's going on about. Yankees still have a lot of flexibility in signing a good starting pitcher. They can still spend a lon next year with so much money coming off the books.
Thing about Francesca, he is never wrong and if he is wrong the move that makes him wrong is absolutely horrible..
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I don't agree on the salary comment. The players know they are on their shitty rookie deals - bringing in Stanton doesn't give them an education on salary they didn't already have playing next to Ellsbury, etc.
They'll make an outfield rotation to accomodate. The DH will be an interesting manage with Sanchez and then the 4 OF. And that doesnt even include Ellsbury.
Judge is not Jeter in that way. I just don't see that jealousy angle.
Judge, to this point, has displayed a heck of a lot of maturity with his success and appears to have the mental fortitude not to let something as petty as "face of the franchise get in the way. Plus, as you said he's still the face right now. In fact he posted on social media that funny .gif of step brothers where it says "did we just become best friends?" - so he's looked more excited than anything.
The Yankees are very well under the tax threshold of $197M right now, and even with adding Stanton's salary, they dumped Castro's so the net is approximately $13-15M (I think?). They can still add another ace and are likely going after Machado next year with plenty of room to spare at that point as well because Ellsbury's contract will be off the books.
They're still trying to get rid of Ellsbury - but his contract is a problem. We knew that already though.
Francesa's trying to dig up a talking point on what's likely a slow sports Monday. He should focus on the Wentz injury lol.
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That's not in Judge's DNA.
People are human. This is a thing. If they hire someone to work with you and pay him 10x what you're making for the same production, that can't help but be irksome. Stuff like that happened in my office. The new star gets hired away from some other company, they throw money at him, and everybody else is like "He's not doing any more than I am, WTF?" People keep working and doing their jobs but it's uncomfortable.
Wouldn't ellsbury making 25 million it judge more than stanton?
- Stanton is not a Harper or Trout. He's just a great slugger, not an all around player.
- they got him for very little, but it changes the mentality of the team. It causes confusion in the outfield. Is there a role for Gardner now?
- it makes sense from a business standpoint. But it changes a lot of things about the team
- There's a chance "delicate equilibrium" in the clubhouse could be disturbed with one guy making $295 million and others making minimum. It's human nature.
The Yankees are in great financial shape.
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That's not in Judge's DNA.
People are human. This is a thing. If they hire someone to work with you and pay him 10x what you're making for the same production, that can't help but be irksome. Stuff like that happened in my office. The new star gets hired away from some other company, they throw money at him, and everybody else is like "He's not doing any more than I am, WTF?" People keep working and doing their jobs but it's uncomfortable.
Sports shouldn't be compared to your 9-5, it isn't even remotely the same. If I made $50k doing excel work no one be hired to sit next to me for $500k to do the same job.
- Grady and Ellsbury have to be moved.
Mike is lost. Playing right would be Stanton's call? Mike is really selling Judge short. Judge is the face of the franchise. He won't be forced to move from RF. Judge is the new Jeter.
- look at how Giambi turned out
- by adding this player this team changed radically
- Judge will be impacted the most
- It's not automatic everything will be perfect. Business wise it's great.
- but that doesn't make you better on the field.
I bet he'd love it if San Fran was holding the press conference today.
The 1990s team was singular. It would be almost impossible to recreate a system that produced two first-ballot HOFers and three near-HOFers within 4 year period again.
Just don't see this happening. As if it's important, anyway.
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I bet he'd love it if San Fran was holding the press conference today.
No Stanton, No Ohtani. He's pissed.
It will be interesting if the young guys can embrace being booed in every visiting ball park...
I think guys like Sanchez and did will embrace it, will be interesting how judge reacts to it
That's an excellent point - ARod joined a dynasty nearing its end. Stanton jumping on board right at the beginning.
Judge just also signed a big shoe deal, and I know Sanchez has a bunch of endorsements as well. I'd be they are each making a few million in endorsements already.
Plus I think once we reset the luxury tax penalties this year both guys get extended shortly thereafter.
I see his point about personalities. From what I've read, Stanton is not media friendly, likes to hide in the trainers room, never played in a major markket or for a legit contender.. Questions about his durability are also legitimate. He has played 145 games or more only 3 times in 8 years. Next highest was 123
I think it also indicates that they believe some of the young starting pitchers like Sheffield and Abreu will contribute this year at some point. Guzman could be the ultimate gem for the Marlins.
I agree that it makes them a more one dimensional team. Bird is now more important than ever as a legit lefty bat. 2 lefties in the lineup (Bird and Didi) not ideal but okay. Didi alone is a problem. Bird needs to stay healthy.
If he opts out in 3 years, they have to let him go. no A-Rod type extension.
Outfield crowded. I they can get someone to take Ellsbury at half price thta would help. Otherwise they probably end up moving C. Frazier and someone else for a pitcher.
As much as I lover Jeter, this is hard to argue against. I wouldn't say his humility was but he did come across as an asshole to A-Rod.
But look at what has happened to Jeter and A-Rod post retirement. Jeter is getting a lot more hate these days while A-Rod has turned into a loveable guy on TV. He even has a great relationship with the Yankees front office.
Yeah, Torres and Stanton taking the Castro and Headley/Ellsbury at-bats next postseason is incredible to think about.
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That's not in Judge's DNA.
People are human. This is a thing. If they hire someone to work with you and pay him 10x what you're making for the same production, that can't help but be irksome. Stuff like that happened in my office. The new star gets hired away from some other company, they throw money at him, and everybody else is like "He's not doing any more than I am, WTF?" People keep working and doing their jobs but it's uncomfortable.
And his other big injury was breaking his wrist with bat jamming him after a swinging strike.
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He lets more of it show in recent years, but he always struck me that way. His humility always had a fake vibe to it as I saw it. Judge on the other hand seems much more like Mo - just a truly humble and nice man.
As much as I lover Jeter, this is hard to argue against. I wouldn't say his humility was but he did come across as an asshole to A-Rod.
But look at what has happened to Jeter and A-Rod post retirement. Jeter is getting a lot more hate these days while A-Rod has turned into a loveable guy on TV. He even has a great relationship with the Yankees front office.
Jeter didn't even show up at the winter meetings. He lives 60 miles away
- What's the outfield configuration gonna be?
- How will other guys react to a guy making $295 million?
- Stanton will be front and center. He'll be the leader of Judge and Sanchez. He's not gonna sit in the background. It's his team.
- Yankees went from being loveable baby bombers to the big bad Yankees again. They will be hated in the league.
And I fucking LOVE IT!!!!! What the hell is the point of beinga Yankees fan if they're not the big bad villain?
The same people who hate the Yankees with Stanton hated them without Stanton.
And a guy on a rookie contract is no more jealous of a great player making $30 million per year than he is of an average player making $10 million per year. Rookie contracts suck for great players, but they'll back up the truck for them when their time comes.
You want to talk about how he'll fit in the outfield or the merits of taking on another huge contract, fine. I don't agree with it, but fine. But anything about not being likable anymore is just silly.
The sentiment part about how the team is viewed is pointless. No team cares how they are viewed by the rest of the league when it comes to signing free agents or trading to take on big contracts.
2. Mike's points while very arguable have some validity to them. I know numbers guys think baseball has become some kind of computer program where you enter #'s in and results pop out in wins/losses. These guys are human and you are dropping a whole new dynamic in there. Now they all seem like good guys and chances are good they embrace him and it all works out fine but its not a slam dunk.
3. The OF rotation issues will be fine, as pointed out the bigger factor is opening up 2b for Torres. Maybe they bring back the Toddfather if they can dump Headley?
4. Don't kid yourself do you think Joe Buck and the rest of the country were falling in love with the Baby Bombers?
Please they wear the Pinstripes. Do you think my Red Sox and Mets fan friends came up to me afterwards and said gosh gee I'm sorry you guys lost? My fucking Met fan neighbor hung an Altuve Jersey for a week afterwards.
CC, si, but watch the years. Although his transformation into David Wells is complete, and Girardi isn't around anymore for 3.1 inning , 1-run hooks , he still has an athritic knee.
Very underrated post.
Judge - Gardner - Stanton (Hick off or DH)
Then
Gardner - Hicks - Stanton (Judge off or DH)
Judge can move for a big man. He won't be Gardy. There are not many in MLB as good as Gardy. But I suspect that Judge is better than most people think defensively.
Days Sanchez or Bird DHs I play Stanton in LF
Simple.
Judge
Gardy
Hicks
Frazier
Stanton and Judge will DH many days. Gardy and Hicks both require regular rest days.
Frazier sees time even as a 5th OFer
agree.
Wrong. Ellsbury can be traded at 40 cents on the dollar along with a prospect. You keep Gardy and try to trade headley too.
Mark Teixeira says Stanton is a better OF than Judge....Judge was a finalist for RF Gold Glove, no?
Gardner is a better CF/OF than Ellsbury and unquestionably Frazier.
If you are saying just move somebody, I think you got this wrong.
I'd do whatever to get rid of Ellsbury. Probably only a 20% chance to do it. I agree Gardner is eminently more tradeable because of ability and value. But Gardner is the defacto Captain. Wouldn't be surprised if Frazier was the one to be traded because he'll have better value than both Gardner and Ellsbury and he is more likely to get better value in return. Cashman will likely do the best he can to reduce the payroll without hurting the team.
Anyone agree with that analysis?
Anyone agree with that analysis?
Difficult to project what direct impact it has on any singular other player, but I’d agree with the general premise that when you have an extra power bat seeing a ton of pitches, it incentivizes the pitcher to attack the strike zone and try to be more efficient elsewhere in the lineup.
Never actually said that out loud myself about Jeter (I, like you I'm sure, have a lot of respect for Jeter), but you're not wrong...
Yeah, but don't forget, in his entire career to this point, Stanton has virtually never played any meaningful games after August. He's now a big dog on a team that's basically a lock to do so. And with this lineup, I'll bet you two months of his salary that he'll end up with more than 85 RBIs.