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Ace718 : 12/11/2017 1:19 pm
So, just tuned into WFAN to hear what the pope has to say on the deal. His views so far have been surprising but I guess it has sonething to do with him being so adamant that Stanton would not be on the Yakees.

- He is not a fan of the deal
- It will create problems in the clubhouse
- Judge goes from being face of the franchise to 2nd. Stanton will be the face now.
- Players like Judge and Sanchez will be pissed of when they see how much Stanton is making compared to them with similar production
- It's a trade the Yankees could not pass up on but he doesn't like it
- Yankees plan of going under tax fgoes out the window if they want to add another pitcher


This is some of what he has said. He's really off on a few points. No matter how good Stanton is, the face of this franchise is going to be Aaron Judge. Don't know what Mike's going on about. Yankees still have a lot of flexibility in signing a good starting pitcher. They can still spend a lon next year with so much money coming off the books.
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Judge will be pissed off?  
Keith : 12/11/2017 1:21 pm : link
That's not in Judge's DNA.
.  
Danny Kanell : 12/11/2017 1:21 pm : link
Man he couldn't be more wrong with pretty much most of what he said.
It is only because he said it was not going to happen  
nygiants16 : 12/11/2017 1:22 pm : link
He has to be against it because he said the Yankees would never do it and of course he has to add in that there are going to be problems..

Thing about Francesca, he is never wrong and if he is wrong the move that makes him wrong is absolutely horrible..

So the blowhard doesn't know what he's talking about?  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2017 1:22 pm : link
I'm stunned!
Judge does not seem pissed off  
Heisenberg : 12/11/2017 1:22 pm : link
Not at all.
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less than 5 days  
UConn4523 : 12/11/2017 1:22 pm : link
I'm going to miss big Mike.

I don't agree on the salary comment. The players know they are on their shitty rookie deals - bringing in Stanton doesn't give them an education on salary they didn't already have playing next to Ellsbury, etc.
The only worry i have is  
BigBlue2112 : 12/11/2017 1:23 pm : link
the strikeouts in the heart of the order.

They'll make an outfield rotation to accomodate. The DH will be an interesting manage with Sanchez and then the 4 OF. And that doesnt even include Ellsbury.
He's angling for a Jeter vs. ARod  
Matt in SGS : 12/11/2017 1:24 pm : link
situation from years ago. In my mind, Jeter was always kind of a cold dick about that with ARod, even though ARod went out of his way to try to mend fences there.

Judge is not Jeter in that way. I just don't see that jealousy angle.
Yeah, he's way off on a few of his points..  
Danthebigbluefan : 12/11/2017 1:25 pm : link
That you summarized. Frankly, the others seem to be pure speculation/conjuring up problems when there presently aren't any.

Judge, to this point, has displayed a heck of a lot of maturity with his success and appears to have the mental fortitude not to let something as petty as "face of the franchise get in the way. Plus, as you said he's still the face right now. In fact he posted on social media that funny .gif of step brothers where it says "did we just become best friends?" - so he's looked more excited than anything.

The Yankees are very well under the tax threshold of $197M right now, and even with adding Stanton's salary, they dumped Castro's so the net is approximately $13-15M (I think?). They can still add another ace and are likely going after Machado next year with plenty of room to spare at that point as well because Ellsbury's contract will be off the books.

They're still trying to get rid of Ellsbury - but his contract is a problem. We knew that already though.

Francesa's trying to dig up a talking point on what's likely a slow sports Monday. He should focus on the Wentz injury lol.
RE: Judge will be pissed off?  
81_Great_Dane : 12/11/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13735639 Keith said:
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That's not in Judge's DNA.
People are human. This is a thing. If they hire someone to work with you and pay him 10x what you're making for the same production, that can't help but be irksome. Stuff like that happened in my office. The new star gets hired away from some other company, they throw money at him, and everybody else is like "He's not doing any more than I am, WTF?" People keep working and doing their jobs but it's uncomfortable.
You were right the first time....  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 1:25 pm : link
He's mad because he was so adamant Stanton would never be a Yankee. He said the Marlins would ask for Torres, Frazier and whatever pitcher they wanted. Sounds like Mike is throwing as much contrarian shit as he can against the wall to see what sticks.
Strikes me as the kind of thing media guys say  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/11/2017 1:26 pm : link
after they told you all along that this deal was never going to to happen. Remember Jordan Ranaan and Evan Engram?
Oops... BC beat me to it  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/11/2017 1:26 pm : link
...
"when they see how much Stanton is making"  
Enzo : 12/11/2017 1:27 pm : link
if that's true then they all probably want to stab Ellsbury. Seriously, the young guys are on rookie deals. Stanton has been in the league for EIGHT full seasons. I think the young Yankee stars understand the deal.
Is Severino pissed that Tanaka and CC make more than him?  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 1:27 pm : link
These guys know the drill - they'll all be taken care of when their time comes.
RE: RE: Judge will be pissed off?  
nygiants16 : 12/11/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13735661 81_Great_Dane said:
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That's not in Judge's DNA.

People are human. This is a thing. If they hire someone to work with you and pay him 10x what you're making for the same production, that can't help but be irksome. Stuff like that happened in my office. The new star gets hired away from some other company, they throw money at him, and everybody else is like "He's not doing any more than I am, WTF?" People keep working and doing their jobs but it's uncomfortable.


Wouldn't ellsbury making 25 million it judge more than stanton?
Some more  
Ace718 : 12/11/2017 1:30 pm : link
- The team had a real nice feel last year. That's changed now.
- Stanton is not a Harper or Trout. He's just a great slugger, not an all around player.
- they got him for very little, but it changes the mentality of the team. It causes confusion in the outfield. Is there a role for Gardner now?
- it makes sense from a business standpoint. But it changes a lot of things about the team
- There's a chance "delicate equilibrium" in the clubhouse could be disturbed with one guy making $295 million and others making minimum. It's human nature.
They can still sign CC  
Danthebigbluefan : 12/11/2017 1:31 pm : link
at a fair market value of $13-$15M, probably can and should bring Frazier back for around $10-12M. And they'll still have plenty of room at around $155M in payroll.

The Yankees are in great financial shape.
Russo doesn't like the Stanton deal either.  
Ryan in Albany : 12/11/2017 1:32 pm : link
LOL
RE: RE: Judge will be pissed off?  
UConn4523 : 12/11/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13735661 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 13735639 Keith said:


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That's not in Judge's DNA.

People are human. This is a thing. If they hire someone to work with you and pay him 10x what you're making for the same production, that can't help but be irksome. Stuff like that happened in my office. The new star gets hired away from some other company, they throw money at him, and everybody else is like "He's not doing any more than I am, WTF?" People keep working and doing their jobs but it's uncomfortable.


Sports shouldn't be compared to your 9-5, it isn't even remotely the same. If I made $50k doing excel work no one be hired to sit next to me for $500k to do the same job.
More on Judge  
Ace718 : 12/11/2017 1:33 pm : link
- Who plays right? Judge or Stanton? It will be Stanton's call.
- Grady and Ellsbury have to be moved.


Mike is lost. Playing right would be Stanton's call? Mike is really selling Judge short. Judge is the face of the franchise. He won't be forced to move from RF. Judge is the new Jeter.
the team was changing regardless  
UConn4523 : 12/11/2017 1:34 pm : link
1 game away from the WS the expectations are massive - adding Stanton doesn't change that. They weren't going to be the "baby bombers" for much longer anyway.
He has a point  
weeg in the bronx : 12/11/2017 1:36 pm : link
You have two guys in sanchez and Judge who were in large part responsible for last season. They will be overshadowed by Stanton, who is a superior player to both. And I don't care how nice a guy you are, there has never been a pro athlete ever who doesn't care about money or fame. Some handle it better than others but they all care.
The only worry I kind of agree with  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 1:36 pm : link
is disrupting the "Baby Bomber" identity/chemistry - not because they're jealous of Stanton's money (ridiculous), but because there is a culture being created organically that is now being disrupted a bit. Everybody keeps bringing up the ARod trade comparison, but this deal reminds me of the Clemens trade a little bit, too. Even coming off the 1998 juggernaut, the Yankees were still seen as a likeable team led by homegrown stars - Clemens brought the mercenary culture that continued with Justice, Giambi, Moose, etc.
Some more gems  
Ace718 : 12/11/2017 1:37 pm : link
-They won one in 10 years with A-Rod. They won 4 without any big slugger. - More is not always more. Sometimes in sports more is less
- look at how Giambi turned out
- by adding this player this team changed radically
- Judge will be impacted the most
- It's not automatic everything will be perfect. Business wise it's great.
- but that doesn't make you better on the field.
RE: Russo doesn't like the Stanton deal either.  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13735684 Ryan in Albany said:
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LOL


I bet he'd love it if San Fran was holding the press conference today.
RE: Some more gems  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13735701 Ace718 said:
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-They won one in 10 years with A-Rod. They won 4 without any big slugger. - More is not always more. Sometimes in sports more is less


The 1990s team was singular. It would be almost impossible to recreate a system that produced two first-ballot HOFers and three near-HOFers within 4 year period again.
I don't see Stanton becoming  
Beezer : 12/11/2017 1:39 pm : link
"the face of the Yankees." Judge became the fan favorite rather quickly, but in a gigantic way.

Just don't see this happening. As if it's important, anyway.
RE: RE: Russo doesn't like the Stanton deal either.  
Ryan in Albany : 12/11/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13735702 bceagle05 said:
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LOL



I bet he'd love it if San Fran was holding the press conference today.


No Stanton, No Ohtani. He's pissed.
RE: The only worry I kind of agree with  
nygiants16 : 12/11/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13735697 bceagle05 said:
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is disrupting the "Baby Bomber" identity/chemistry - not because they're jealous of Stanton's money (ridiculous), but because there is a culture being created organically that is now being disrupted a bit. Everybody keeps bringing up the ARod trade comparison, but this deal reminds me of the Clemens trade a little bit, too. Even coming off the 1998 juggernaut, the Yankees were still seen as a likeable team led by homegrown stars - Clemens brought the mercenary culture that continued with Justice, Giambi, Moose, etc.


It will be interesting if the young guys can embrace being booed in every visiting ball park...

I think guys like Sanchez and did will embrace it, will be interesting how judge reacts to it
the salary thing is bogus  
Joey from GlenCove : 12/11/2017 1:45 pm : link
judge will get his turn.
This is like making the A-Rod trade,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/11/2017 1:45 pm : link
but to the '96 Yankees instead of the '04 Yanks. The '96 Yankees had a YOUNG core 4 and Bernie in his prime as opposed to the aging group A-Rod walked into.
Yeah this "face" stuff is a little ridiculous.  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 1:46 pm : link
Remember, ARod and Jeter's friendship ended long before they were teammates - lot of tension there that had nothing to do with who's playing short or third, or who's the "face" of the team. Stanton and Judge don't have that kind of baggage. If there are problems, Communicator-in-Chief Aaron Boone will flex his connectivity muscles.
RE: This is like making the A-Rod trade,  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13735727 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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but to the '96 Yankees instead of the '04 Yanks. The '96 Yankees had a YOUNG core 4 and Bernie in his prime as opposed to the aging group A-Rod walked into.


That's an excellent point - ARod joined a dynasty nearing its end. Stanton jumping on board right at the beginning.
RE: the salary thing is bogus  
Tesla : 12/11/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13735725 Joey from GlenCove said:
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judge will get his turn.


Judge just also signed a big shoe deal, and I know Sanchez has a bunch of endorsements as well. I'd be they are each making a few million in endorsements already.

Plus I think once we reset the luxury tax penalties this year both guys get extended shortly thereafter.
Plus, honestly, I think Jeter was always kind of an asshole  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2017 1:49 pm : link
He lets more of it show in recent years, but he always struck me that way. His humility always had a fake vibe to it as I saw it. Judge on the other hand seems much more like Mo - just a truly humble and nice man.
Bite your tongue  
Kyle in NY : 12/11/2017 1:51 pm : link
talking bad about Derek Jeter!
It was impossible to turn down. They had to move Castro to make  
Victor in CT : 12/11/2017 1:52 pm : link
room for Gleyber Torres. ANd some prospects have to moved due the 40 man constraints. Doing it now indicates they are confident that Torres will be ready on opening day.

I see his point about personalities. From what I've read, Stanton is not media friendly, likes to hide in the trainers room, never played in a major markket or for a legit contender.. Questions about his durability are also legitimate. He has played 145 games or more only 3 times in 8 years. Next highest was 123

I think it also indicates that they believe some of the young starting pitchers like Sheffield and Abreu will contribute this year at some point. Guzman could be the ultimate gem for the Marlins.

I agree that it makes them a more one dimensional team. Bird is now more important than ever as a legit lefty bat. 2 lefties in the lineup (Bird and Didi) not ideal but okay. Didi alone is a problem. Bird needs to stay healthy.

If he opts out in 3 years, they have to let him go. no A-Rod type extension.

Outfield crowded. I they can get someone to take Ellsbury at half price thta would help. Otherwise they probably end up moving C. Frazier and someone else for a pitcher.
Why  
Photoguy : 12/11/2017 1:53 pm : link
you guys listen to this tub of goo amazes me.
Do people forget how bad the dh was  
nygiants16 : 12/11/2017 1:53 pm : link
In the post season? He fills a big need
RE: Plus, honestly, I think Jeter was always kind of an asshole  
Ace718 : 12/11/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13735743 Greg from LI said:
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He lets more of it show in recent years, but he always struck me that way. His humility always had a fake vibe to it as I saw it. Judge on the other hand seems much more like Mo - just a truly humble and nice man.


As much as I lover Jeter, this is hard to argue against. I wouldn't say his humility was but he did come across as an asshole to A-Rod.

But look at what has happened to Jeter and A-Rod post retirement. Jeter is getting a lot more hate these days while A-Rod has turned into a loveable guy on TV. He even has a great relationship with the Yankees front office.
Nobody complained  
Dankbeerman : 12/11/2017 1:54 pm : link
about how much Elsbury was making on the bench or Arod was being paid not to play last year. They know if the play well they will get those numbers as well
RE: Do people forget how bad the dh was  
bceagle05 : 12/11/2017 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13735752 nygiants16 said:
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In the post season? He fills a big need


Yeah, Torres and Stanton taking the Castro and Headley/Ellsbury at-bats next postseason is incredible to think about.
RE: RE: Judge will be pissed off?  
Milton : 12/11/2017 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13735661 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 13735639 Keith said:


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That's not in Judge's DNA.

People are human. This is a thing. If they hire someone to work with you and pay him 10x what you're making for the same production, that can't help but be irksome. Stuff like that happened in my office. The new star gets hired away from some other company, they throw money at him, and everybody else is like "He's not doing any more than I am, WTF?" People keep working and doing their jobs but it's uncomfortable.
But Judge has known the score for years now in terms of his income and it has nothing to do with whether Stanton is making his $295M with the Yankees or the Marlins. If anything, it helps Judge's case when it does come time to negotiate a longterm deal.
Dear Lord with this Gianni comparison  
nygiants16 : 12/11/2017 1:56 pm : link
Stanton is 5 times the player Giambi is
Stanton has had some injuries  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2017 1:57 pm : link
But the one year he missed a bunch of games because he got drilled by a pitch to the face. Doesn't get flukier than that.
RE: Stanton has had some injuries  
Ace718 : 12/11/2017 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13735772 Greg from LI said:
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But the one year he missed a bunch of games because he got drilled by a pitch to the face. Doesn't get flukier than that.

And his other big injury was breaking his wrist with bat jamming him after a swinging strike.
RE: RE: Plus, honestly, I think Jeter was always kind of an asshole  
mitch300 : 12/11/2017 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13735756 Ace718 said:
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He lets more of it show in recent years, but he always struck me that way. His humility always had a fake vibe to it as I saw it. Judge on the other hand seems much more like Mo - just a truly humble and nice man.



As much as I lover Jeter, this is hard to argue against. I wouldn't say his humility was but he did come across as an asshole to A-Rod.

But look at what has happened to Jeter and A-Rod post retirement. Jeter is getting a lot more hate these days while A-Rod has turned into a loveable guy on TV. He even has a great relationship with the Yankees front office.

Jeter didn't even show up at the winter meetings. He lives 60 miles away
Some guy just called asking Mike why he's against it.  
Ace718 : 12/11/2017 2:01 pm : link
Mikes response

- What's the outfield configuration gonna be?
- How will other guys react to a guy making $295 million?
- Stanton will be front and center. He'll be the leader of Judge and Sanchez. He's not gonna sit in the background. It's his team.
- Yankees went from being loveable baby bombers to the big bad Yankees again. They will be hated in the league.
RE: Some guy just called asking Mike why he's against it.  
Greg from LI : 12/11/2017 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13735783 Ace718 said:
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- Yankees went from being loveable baby bombers to the big bad Yankees again. They will be hated in the league.


And I fucking LOVE IT!!!!! What the hell is the point of beinga Yankees fan if they're not the big bad villain?
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