as far as the draft, what are you thinking the Giants do now?
QB a no brainer?
I know you had said that if Reese and McAdoo were to stay , there would be no chance they would go QB in the 1st round.
Am curious of your thoughts now.
Thanks.
I'm ok with QB if they feel like Rosen or Darnold are the real deal. But based on everything I'm reading from everyone (and of course this is pre combine and workouts), the guy that you look at and say, "Who has the best chance to be a great player for 10 years" is Quentin Nelson. Its an area of need for us....and he sounds like a sure thing.
You can, and should, take a guard, if you need one and one is there that is worthy.....provided you have your top level QB for him to protect.
But if you're at the top of the draft and your team truly needs a QB in the worst way, there is NO way you take a guard. You take the QB every time because that is the hardest thing to find in the NFL.
....or not.
Maybe what SY can do us rate the #2,3,4 guards and tackles. And lbs....and DEs....oosh.
Jay, I like what Fluker Brought to the line, power. We need to sign a RT and draft a LG and possibly a Center prospect.
Re-signing Fluker and tendering Jones seem like no brainers. Draft Price in round 2 and getting Norwell or Schofield might be a good RT choice. I think we are staying with Flowers for another year unless Wheeler can unseat him next training camp.
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The Giants need to let Pugh walk as his injury concerns make him to risky to give 8-10 million annually to. The Giants can draft a good LG in the 2nd or 3rd round plus sign a veteran to compete and provide depth. Jessamen Dunker missed this season but he has a load of talent he just needs time to develop. It wouldn't surprise me if he makes the team next season as a G/RT. I would prefer it if they signed Andrew Norwell from the Panthers. He is one of the most underrated guards in football. If Gettleman is hired as GM he will be very familiar with him. Signing him would allow the Giants to use their 2nd round pick on a LT, LB, RB, or DE.
Jay, I like what Fluker Brought to the line, power. We need to sign a RT and draft a LG and possibly a Center prospect.
Re-signing Fluker and tendering Jones seem like no brainers. Draft Price in round 2 and getting Norwell or Schofield might be a good RT choice. I think we are staying with Flowers for another year unless Wheeler can unseat him next training camp.
I am very intrigued by a potential right side of Fluker and Flowers. That would be an excellent run blocking duo and I think Flowers could be similar to Kareem McKenzie at RT. Jones should be brought back to compete at C. Norwell at LG would be a great addition while Wheeler needs to compete with a draft pick or FA at LT.
At this point, I think it will be Barkley or a QB...wildcard being DE Chubb
Agreed, the Giants can get a solid offensive linemen with their second pick. I fully expect this draft to mirror the 2004 draft where the Giants came away with Eli and Chris Snee. I expect a QB in round 1 and hopefully Billy Price, Braden Smith, or Will Hernandez in the 2nd.
At this point, I think it will be Barkley or a QB...wildcard being DE Chubb
Sy, if the Giants were offered a 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year and 1st next year to trade back 4-6 slots should they do it? Let's say Denver wants to move up and the Giants could move back and take one of Jackson, Allen, Nelson, Key, Fitzpatrick. Should they stay put or move if they can still get QB prospect.
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The Giants need to let Pugh walk as his injury concerns make him to risky to give 8-10 million annually to. The Giants can draft a good LG in the 2nd or 3rd round plus sign a veteran to compete and provide depth. Jessamen Dunker missed this season but he has a load of talent he just needs time to develop. It wouldn't surprise me if he makes the team next season as a G/RT. I would prefer it if they signed Andrew Norwell from the Panthers. He is one of the most underrated guards in football. If Gettleman is hired as GM he will be very familiar with him. Signing him would allow the Giants to use their 2nd round pick on a LT, LB, RB, or DE.
Jay, I like what Fluker Brought to the line, power. We need to sign a RT and draft a LG and possibly a Center prospect.
Re-signing Fluker and tendering Jones seem like no brainers. Draft Price in round 2 and getting Norwell or Schofield might be a good RT choice. I think we are staying with Flowers for another year unless Wheeler can unseat him next training camp.
I am very intrigued by a potential right side of Fluker and Flowers. That would be an excellent run blocking duo and I think Flowers could be similar to Kareem McKenzie at RT. Jones should be brought back to compete at C. Norwell at LG would be a great addition while Wheeler needs to compete with a draft pick or FA at LT.
If they can find a FA Tackle worth bringing in. Right now the only guys I would consider is Solder or ( gulp ) Pugh. Wheeler maybe better than both. Agreed, a Fluker - Flowers right side would be plenty powerful.
Sy, if the Giants were offered a 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year and 1st next year to trade back 4-6 slots should they do it? Let's say Denver wants to move up and the Giants could move back and take one of Jackson, Allen, Nelson, Key, Fitzpatrick. Should they stay put or move if they can still get QB prospect.
rjan, interesting question. I know 1% of what Sy knows so here's my opinion:
The Giants will almost certainly want to grab a "franchise" QB. They will have them all ranked by draft day. To consider this trade, they have to ask themselves this one question: Would they be willing to settle for the worst-case QB available if they trade down.
An extra 2nd, 3rd now plus a 1st next year is a hella haul so they would have to weigh this carefully. It's awful tempting.
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Sy, if the Giants were offered a 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year and 1st next year to trade back 4-6 slots should they do it? Let's say Denver wants to move up and the Giants could move back and take one of Jackson, Allen, Nelson, Key, Fitzpatrick. Should they stay put or move if they can still get QB prospect.
rjan, interesting question. I know 1% of what Sy knows so here's my opinion:
The Giants will almost certainly want to grab a "franchise" QB. They will have them all ranked by draft day. To consider this trade, they have to ask themselves this one question: Would they be willing to settle for the worst-case QB available if they trade down.
An extra 2nd, 3rd now plus a 1st next year is a hella haul so they would have to weigh this carefully. It's awful tempting.
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Solid response! I would understand if Darnold was available, something about Rosen worries me. Injuries, talk of attitude and questions if his love of football. Maybe another team loves Rosen to give up a bunch of picks and if Denver is picking around the 6th spot I think Allen or Jackson and even Mayfield should be available. I don't think all 5 QB's will be gone by the 6th pick. So the question I guess is: if Darnold is the top QB on the Giants board, how much more do they like Rosen compared to Jackson or Allen? Swapping 1st round picks and picking up 3 more picks?
Other players available would be Nelson, Chubb, Barkley. Any QB available top of round 2? Rudolph?
....or not.
Maybe what SY can do us rate the #2,3,4 guards and tackles. And lbs....and DEs....oosh.
You mean like what we're fortunate enough that he normally does?
I don't think the Giants would gamble on a 2nd round QB being available and desirable. Picking at 6/7/8 would likely find one of Mayfield/Jackson/Allen still left. Would that group contain an acceptable QB for the Giants?
It sounds like 2-3 of these QB's could be taken before him - which I don't really agree with, but if that's the case, I'd love to cash in and pick up some extra picks.
The draft boards always change a lot leading up, though. Too early to tell.
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Anything is possible, and I mean anything. The argument can be made that this is THE time to completely rebuild and get the new QB in....you simply don't get this high in the draft often and with the long term QB situation up in the air, you almost have to think QB if anyone is in that grading tier.
At this point, I think it will be Barkley or a QB...wildcard being DE Chubb
Sy, if the Giants were offered a 1st, 2nd, 3rd this year and 1st next year to trade back 4-6 slots should they do it? Let's say Denver wants to move up and the Giants could move back and take one of Jackson, Allen, Nelson, Key, Fitzpatrick. Should they stay put or move if they can still get QB prospect.
I don't think there is any chance any team is offering a package like that
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aren't seeing the big picture.
Agreed, the Giants can get a solid offensive linemen with their second pick. I fully expect this draft to mirror the 2004 draft where the Giants came away with Eli and Chris Snee. I expect a QB in round 1 and hopefully Billy Price, Braden Smith, or Will Hernandez in the 2nd.
I'd never compare my evaluation abilities to Sy's, but I really like Braden Smith. If the Giants came away from this draft with their future QB + Smith, that's a good start to building the foundation for the present and future, IMO.
Jets might want that spot but aren't likely to pay huge.
Buffalo was failing good until yesterday for a top 10 spot and they are like Cleveland with a ton of picks(and might move up to Cleveland's 5-8 pick they own from Houston if their QB is their[Jackson?].).