This article seems premature to me.
The kid has talent and the team has already made an investment in him. He's young and inmature. Hopefully, this will be a wake up call for him to grow up in the off season and a new regime will give him a fresh start. If nothing changes next year, you revisit the issue. Its way too early to cut bait now.
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If they suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team, that designation will void all future guarantees and allow the team to pursue repayment of the prorated portion of the signing bonus. Doing so, it makes the trade of the player more appealing to another club where they no longer have to guarantee his future salaries. He basically becomes a player on a year to year contract until he becomes a free agent.
He's a cancer. You can not allow him to infect the locker room. The new GM/HC deserve a clean slate.
Regarding this clown, you wait and let the new coach decide. If the new coach doesnt want him you try to trade him or cut him.
In any case, I don't know if you cut him. Immature guys do grow up. A new coaching staff should start with a fresh slate with him and see what happens.
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Steve Spagnuolo said he was disappointed to hear CB Eli Apple was Tweeting during the game Sunday.
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Steve Spagnuolo addressed what has been a rough year personally and professionally for CB Eli Apple, and said Hes got to step up and show his teammates and coaches that hes ready.
Sit him down and let him know that his play and his recent behavior are unacceptable, and get his assurances that he wants to play football, and wants to play for the NY Giants. If not, tell him we'll trade him to Cleveland.
Asked DRC if he is worried about Eli Apple.
No, no, no, no, no, no. (Pause.) Sometimes.
And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.
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Dude is hilarious.
And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.
I'm a big DRC fan. So, I'm not among those who would run him out of town. Same with Jackrabbit. I think we've got our lock down guys in place. I'd be in favor of a Cockrell extension too. Our secondary hasn't been a weak point this year. It's been DEs and LBs. Moss seems like he could steal a starting job too. He makes plays. There's a lot to be optimistic about in a year where we're getting a new GM and HC, relatively speaking.
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Dude is hilarious.
And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.
I'm a big DRC fan. So, I'm not among those who would run him out of town. Same with Jackrabbit. I think we've got our lock down guys in place. I'd be in favor of a Cockrell extension too. Our secondary hasn't been a weak point this year. It's been DEs and LBs. Moss seems like he could steal a starting job too. He makes plays. There's a lot to be optimistic about in a year where we're getting a new GM and HC, relatively speaking.
I like Cockrell, also. With DRC heading into his last year of his contract, I would consider extending him for a short term contract. Obviously we need LB/DE improvements, and hopefully a new GM will focus on these groups to keep the defense strong.
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Dude is hilarious.
And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.
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Dude is hilarious.
And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.
I'm a big DRC fan. So, I'm not among those who would run him out of town. Same with Jackrabbit. I think we've got our lock down guys in place. I'd be in favor of a Cockrell extension too. Our secondary hasn't been a weak point this year. It's been DEs and LBs. Moss seems like he could steal a starting job too. He makes plays. There's a lot to be optimistic about in a year where we're getting a new GM and HC, relatively speaking.
I like Cockrell, also. With DRC heading into his last year of his contract, I would consider extending him for a short term contract. Obviously we need LB/DE improvements, and hopefully a new GM will focus on these groups to keep the defense strong.
With how decimated our LB corps is going to look after this year, I'm in favor of going after two LBs in the draft this year. I like Uchenna Nwosu the LB out of USC in the third and Akeem Victor LB out of Washington on day 3. Nwosu could be a double threat as a LB and pass rusher on third down. I see him as a better version of Kennard (who I wouldn't mind bringing back either). Victor is more of MLB/WLB type. I'd see him as a Casillas replacement, ideally a better version as well.
Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with JPP and Vernon as starters for the foreseeable future. If they can turn it around next year with a better spirit to the team, that may not be a bad thing.
I think with his guaranteed contract all he might fetch is a 3rd/4th rounder. If he was suspended with conduct detrimental to the team, it would void the guarantees. A trade partner would have less risk and might consider a 2nd.
new coaching staff might help
I still think the talent is there. But sort of agree that this is a critical juncture for the kid...
this team gets a pass rush, this kid could help you out.
Now, in the background is something that bothers me just a little. His mother is in his ear too much. He needs positive influences from within the locker room.... not distracting views.
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Maybe..maybe not..
The next regime decides.
Agree with this. Hes not the first talented kid who acted like a jerk and had to learn some lessons. Giants (and any team) has to have some resources to try and make it work.
Seems like weve had some success with guys in the past where it took a couple years for the light to go on. New coaching staff will have its work cut out with Apple (and a few other guys on the roster) but they should get their chance to whip him into shape
Talented as he is, I don't think he will ever become the player he could be. Giants won t cut him, but not a guy you can count on.
He should have been fired with, if not instead of, Coughlin.
Reese threw Tom Coughlin under the bus, instead of admitting that he never addressed the problems this team has had for years (offensive line!). I was happier to hear about Reese being fired than McAdon't!
These quotes from DRC sound spot-on:
"He's cool with me because I understand. I used to be that guy. You feel me?" Rodgers-Cromartie said. "When you're going through stuff, sometimes you don't know how to act out, so you act a certain way. I get that. It takes someone to hone in and make you feel loved.
"But the other point is it's a profession. You've got guys in here that is professional and strictly about their business. So if it seems like a guy isn't doing what he's asked to do, it rubs them the wrong way. I just understand it."
He seems to be very close to his mother so that has to be affecting his mental health and play, and top that off with a disaster of a season. He's probably depressed and not handling it well at all. DRC is right though, he needs to get it together and act like a professional despite it all. Probably not a completely comparable situation but I recall Tuck's play was sub-par during 2011 because of personal issues and a heart-to-heart with Coughlin got him back on track. I wouldn't expect McAdoo to be capable of doing the same thing for Apple based off of this season. Or maybe Apple is just shitty.
Our society sees things in black and white tones with no gray areas and lacks empathy so a lot of people are just shitting on him. I'd give him a chance to turn it around next year, but if a new GM/HC doesn't see it or won't give him a chance, I don't blame them at this point. I thought he showed a lot of promise as a rookie and would hope he gets a chance, but I'm wrong more often than not.
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Dude is hilarious.
And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.
Snacks.
I seldom call other people's ideas stupid, because stupid is a harsh, hurtful word. Well, this is a stupid idea - so stupid that even the journalist offering it up won't say he's advocating it.
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These quotes from DRC sound spot-on:
"He's cool with me because I understand. I used to be that guy. You feel me?" Rodgers-Cromartie said. "When you're going through stuff, sometimes you don't know how to act out, so you act a certain way. I get that. It takes someone to hone in and make you feel loved.
"But the other point is it's a profession. You've got guys in here that is professional and strictly about their business. So if it seems like a guy isn't doing what he's asked to do, it rubs them the wrong way. I just understand it."
He seems to be very close to his mother so that has to be affecting his mental health and play, and top that off with a disaster of a season. He's probably depressed and not handling it well at all. DRC is right though, he needs to get it together and act like a professional despite it all. Probably not a completely comparable situation but I recall Tuck's play was sub-par during 2011 because of personal issues and a heart-to-heart with Coughlin got him back on track. I wouldn't expect McAdoo to be capable of doing the same thing for Apple based off of this season. Or maybe Apple is just shitty.
Our society sees things in black and white tones with no gray areas and lacks empathy so a lot of people are just shitting on him. I'd give him a chance to turn it around next year, but if a new GM/HC doesn't see it or won't give him a chance, I don't blame them at this point. I thought he showed a lot of promise as a rookie and would hope he gets a chance, but I'm wrong more often than not.
I'm usually one of the first here to cut bait quick on idiots, but Apple was really good and his potential shined through in 2016.
Someone needs to sit down with him and help him figure his head out, this is an immature 21 year old with a young, ill mother whom he's obviously really close with. He's a kid who needs mentoring and perhaps a break from the pressure of pro football after a painful stretch.