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Should the Giants Cut Apple?

Reb8thVA : 12/11/2017 2:20 pm
This article seems premature to me.

The kid has talent and the team has already made an investment in him. He's young and inmature. Hopefully, this will be a wake up call for him to grow up in the off season and a new regime will give him a fresh start. If nothing changes next year, you revisit the issue. Its way too early to cut bait now.
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RE: Contract is fully guaranteed  
Diver_Down : 12/11/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13735914 ron mexico said:
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Cutting him would cause a big cap hit


If they suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team, that designation will void all future guarantees and allow the team to pursue repayment of the prorated portion of the signing bonus. Doing so, it makes the trade of the player more appealing to another club where they no longer have to guarantee his future salaries. He basically becomes a player on a year to year contract until he becomes a free agent.

He's a cancer. You can not allow him to infect the locker room. The new GM/HC deserve a clean slate.
Some of you guys look great  
Jimmy Googs : 12/11/2017 3:01 pm : link
goose-stepping down the streets of Berlin on the history channel...
RE: No  
Beer Man : 12/11/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13735842 djstat said:
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You coach him and develop him.
+1. He is very immature at this point.
No  
George : 12/11/2017 3:16 pm : link
Corey Webster needed time, too
No  
JonC : 12/11/2017 3:16 pm : link
you work to mentor and help the punk grow up.
Remember  
WillVAB : 12/11/2017 3:22 pm : link
When this was supposed to be a justifiable pick because its mandatory teams have 3 quality corners? Good times.

Regarding this clown, you wait and let the new coach decide. If the new coach doesnt want him you try to trade him or cut him.
He is certainly frustrating to hear about in the news  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/11/2017 3:27 pm : link
but remember, we never hear the whole story. But he does seem immature, and the argument can be made that if Reese didn't know this, he should have. Those clips of him playing against San Fran were infuriating.

In any case, I don't know if you cut him. Immature guys do grow up. A new coaching staff should start with a fresh slate with him and see what happens.
Try and help  
ryanmkeane : 12/11/2017 3:28 pm : link
him mature but he doesn't seem all that interested in playing tackle football. Not sure that can change, will be happy if it does.
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Britt in VA : 12/11/2017 3:31 pm : link
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Ralph Vacchiano‏Verified account
@RVacchianoSNY
4m4 minutes ago

Steve Spagnuolo said he was disappointed to hear CB Eli Apple was Tweeting during the game Sunday.


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Ralph Vacchiano‏Verified account
@RVacchianoSNY
1m1 minute ago

Steve Spagnuolo addressed what has been a rough year personally and professionally for CB Eli Apple, and said Hes got to step up and show his teammates and coaches that hes ready.
I don't see the rationale for selling low  
Section331 : 12/11/2017 3:36 pm : link
on a first round pick. He's been pretty bad, and shown some immaturity, but given the personal shit he's dealing with, I'd be willing to give him something of a pass.

Sit him down and let him know that his play and his recent behavior are unacceptable, and get his assurances that he wants to play football, and wants to play for the NY Giants. If not, tell him we'll trade him to Cleveland.
fuck no. get a real HC and Def Co who will give him the kick in the  
Victor in CT : 12/11/2017 3:39 pm : link
ass that he needs from a maturity standpoint, and the coaching he needs to bring out the talent he has.
LOL...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/11/2017 3:48 pm : link
Tom Rock‏Verified account @TomRock_Newsday

Asked DRC if he is worried about Eli Apple.

No, no, no, no, no, no. (Pause.) Sometimes.
DRC is the coolest Giant I can remember  
adamg : 12/11/2017 3:49 pm : link
Dude is hilarious.
RE: DRC is the coolest Giant I can remember  
Diver_Down : 12/11/2017 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13736075 adamg said:
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Dude is hilarious.


And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.
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BigBluePrestige : 12/11/2017 3:53 pm : link
kid is a hot mess. I don't understand his thought process. Both him and his mother are extremely immature.
Trade or Cut  
Thegratefulhead : 12/11/2017 3:55 pm : link
They had to beg him to stay in the building when they put his quit on TV for all to see. Fuck him, no one should have stopped him. You can't win with people like that. He should have cried and begged the forgiveness of his teammates. Begone.
RE: RE: DRC is the coolest Giant I can remember  
adamg : 12/11/2017 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13736086 Diver_Down said:
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Dude is hilarious.



And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.


I'm a big DRC fan. So, I'm not among those who would run him out of town. Same with Jackrabbit. I think we've got our lock down guys in place. I'd be in favor of a Cockrell extension too. Our secondary hasn't been a weak point this year. It's been DEs and LBs. Moss seems like he could steal a starting job too. He makes plays. There's a lot to be optimistic about in a year where we're getting a new GM and HC, relatively speaking.
No.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/11/2017 3:59 pm : link
But he needs a serious behavior makeover.
Didnt the Browns  
BIG FRED 1973 : 12/11/2017 4:08 pm : link
cut Justin Gilbert after 2 years ?
RE: RE: RE: DRC is the coolest Giant I can remember  
Diver_Down : 12/11/2017 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13736124 adamg said:
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In comment 13736075 adamg said:


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Dude is hilarious.



And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.



I'm a big DRC fan. So, I'm not among those who would run him out of town. Same with Jackrabbit. I think we've got our lock down guys in place. I'd be in favor of a Cockrell extension too. Our secondary hasn't been a weak point this year. It's been DEs and LBs. Moss seems like he could steal a starting job too. He makes plays. There's a lot to be optimistic about in a year where we're getting a new GM and HC, relatively speaking.


I like Cockrell, also. With DRC heading into his last year of his contract, I would consider extending him for a short term contract. Obviously we need LB/DE improvements, and hopefully a new GM will focus on these groups to keep the defense strong.
RE: RE: DRC is the coolest Giant I can remember  
Beer Man : 12/11/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13736086 Diver_Down said:
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Dude is hilarious.



And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.
+1.
Trade him  
PatersonPlank : 12/11/2017 4:17 pm : link
Should be able to get something from a team in need of DBs
RE: RE: RE: RE: DRC is the coolest Giant I can remember  
adamg : 12/11/2017 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13736158 Diver_Down said:
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Dude is hilarious.



And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.



I'm a big DRC fan. So, I'm not among those who would run him out of town. Same with Jackrabbit. I think we've got our lock down guys in place. I'd be in favor of a Cockrell extension too. Our secondary hasn't been a weak point this year. It's been DEs and LBs. Moss seems like he could steal a starting job too. He makes plays. There's a lot to be optimistic about in a year where we're getting a new GM and HC, relatively speaking.



I like Cockrell, also. With DRC heading into his last year of his contract, I would consider extending him for a short term contract. Obviously we need LB/DE improvements, and hopefully a new GM will focus on these groups to keep the defense strong.


With how decimated our LB corps is going to look after this year, I'm in favor of going after two LBs in the draft this year. I like Uchenna Nwosu the LB out of USC in the third and Akeem Victor LB out of Washington on day 3. Nwosu could be a double threat as a LB and pass rusher on third down. I see him as a better version of Kennard (who I wouldn't mind bringing back either). Victor is more of MLB/WLB type. I'd see him as a Casillas replacement, ideally a better version as well.

Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with JPP and Vernon as starters for the foreseeable future. If they can turn it around next year with a better spirit to the team, that may not be a bad thing.
He's an idiot.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/11/2017 4:20 pm : link
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RE: Trade him  
Diver_Down : 12/11/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13736172 PatersonPlank said:
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Should be able to get something from a team in need of DBs


I think with his guaranteed contract all he might fetch is a 3rd/4th rounder. If he was suspended with conduct detrimental to the team, it would void the guarantees. A trade partner would have less risk and might consider a 2nd.
nope  
bc4life : 12/11/2017 4:46 pm : link
they own his contract, get something for him or keep him.

new coaching staff might help
I loved him at Ohio State..,  
bw in dc : 12/11/2017 4:47 pm : link
Was drinking up the apple flavored Kool Aid when Jints Central took him.

I still think the talent is there. But sort of agree that this is a critical juncture for the kid...
might want to use an alumnus  
bc4life : 12/11/2017 4:47 pm : link
form an old team to work with him.

this team gets a pass rush, this kid could help you out.
Aside from that one really bad game  
EricJ : 12/11/2017 5:04 pm : link
where it looked like he was not trying on two plays, he did start to play better. I saw him using his hands less and his eyes more which is what my criticism was.

Now, in the background is something that bothers me just a little. His mother is in his ear too much. He needs positive influences from within the locker room.... not distracting views.
RE: Trade him  
81_Great_Dane : 12/11/2017 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13736172 PatersonPlank said:
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Should be able to get something from a team in need of DBs
He's been a healthy scratch on one of the worst teams in the league, with a first-round pick's contract. The Giants would have a very weak negotiating position. They'd be lucky to get anything -- he's as likely to be cut in 2018 as to make the team.
Too Young to  
Bleedin Blue : 12/11/2017 5:26 pm : link
Give up on. Let the new GM and Coach see if they could help him along in his maturation process.
The only reason to get rid of Apple would be . . . .  
TC : 12/11/2017 5:28 pm : link
if he was rotten to the core!
Possible discipline for Apple  
RobCarpenter : 12/11/2017 5:52 pm : link
Coming this way
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Apple  
Dragon : 12/11/2017 6:08 pm : link
Is not the reason the Giants scored 10 points! If you have nothing else to do as HC but be concerned about inactive players tweeting during games then what about guys who beat up chairs for no good reason? The Giants are a total joke from the front office all the way down to the locker room. Admit it they are just looking for scape goats for a franchise in total decline who believed the hype and played like suckers. The facts speak for themselves dont try and sugar coat reality how many teams win in the NFL scoring 15 points or less weelkly 2-11 teams only.
No way  
KWALL2 : 12/11/2017 6:16 pm : link
Trade him to Cleveland for a 7th round pick.
He's gotta be mentally handicapped to a certain degree, no?  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/11/2017 6:17 pm : link
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Since the other thread on Apple's tweets  
Diver_Down : 12/11/2017 6:30 pm : link
has fallen off the front page, I'm linking it below. The thread has links to Apple's twitter page so for those who have missed it, they can understand the context that Jordan mentions in his article.
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Brain Surgery  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 12/11/2017 7:05 pm : link
The guy's been a complete dipshit but does he deserve a little slack for dealing with his mom's health?

Maybe..maybe not..

The next regime decides.

RE: No  
mfsd : 12/11/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13735973 JonC said:
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you work to mentor and help the punk grow up.


Agree with this. Hes not the first talented kid who acted like a jerk and had to learn some lessons. Giants (and any team) has to have some resources to try and make it work.

Seems like weve had some success with guys in the past where it took a couple years for the light to go on. New coaching staff will have its work cut out with Apple (and a few other guys on the roster) but they should get their chance to whip him into shape
Seems like a young  
joeinpa : 12/11/2017 7:53 pm : link
Man who has been conditioned to never take responsibility for failure. He appears to be immature and lacking in mental toughness.

Talented as he is, I don't think he will ever become the player he could be. Giants won t cut him, but not a guy you can count on.
let's be sensible  
mdc1 : 12/11/2017 8:02 pm : link
pick was a reach, he has not performed, lacks emotional intelligence. Bring in more competition and make him earn his job. I am sympathetic to his mom's situation, but life does move on and you do need to go to work and go on about your business. Some of those tweets and season reactions remind of a child. Good lord what do they do at Ohio State? Between him and Elliot wow.
I  
AcidTest : 12/11/2017 9:50 pm : link
doubt they cut him, if only because of the cap hit, and the fact that he was a top 10 pick. His benching, attitude, and lack of effort also mean we'd net very little in return. We're better off trying to fix the situation ourselves. A new regime also brings a proverbial clean slate. But next year is his last chance. Any more similarly bad behavior, and he'll be gone after 2018.
Cut him why?  
Rflairr : 12/11/2017 10:15 pm : link
He has the talent. Just need some leadership. Which this team clearly doesnt have in this coaching staff. I expect him to be very good when we get a coaching staff that knows what theyre doing.
RE: Reese shouldn't have been  
Fishmanjim57 : 12/11/2017 10:34 pm : link
In comment 13735928 Glover said:
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lumped in with McAdoo's short coaching tenure? WHAT???
He should have been fired with, if not instead of, Coughlin.


Reese threw Tom Coughlin under the bus, instead of admitting that he never addressed the problems this team has had for years (offensive line!). I was happier to hear about Reese being fired than McAdon't!
Eli Apple was just another Reese mistake!  
Fishmanjim57 : 12/11/2017 10:35 pm : link
Flush him down the toilet!
Cut him right off the bat  
JerseyCityJoe : 12/11/2017 10:44 pm : link
First thing I would do as a new coach. "You don't like being here, write when you get some work". New sheriff in town. I don't get the love for this guy. Not a great talent, bad attitude, poor work habits, goodbye gone. I think the most value we could get from him would be by cutting him.
RE: Possible discipline for Apple  
darren in pdx : 12/11/2017 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13736299 RobCarpenter said:
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Coming this way Link - ( New Window )


These quotes from DRC sound spot-on:

"He's cool with me because I understand. I used to be that guy. You feel me?" Rodgers-Cromartie said. "When you're going through stuff, sometimes you don't know how to act out, so you act a certain way. I get that. It takes someone to hone in and make you feel loved.

"But the other point is it's a profession. You've got guys in here that is professional and strictly about their business. So if it seems like a guy isn't doing what he's asked to do, it rubs them the wrong way. I just understand it."


He seems to be very close to his mother so that has to be affecting his mental health and play, and top that off with a disaster of a season. He's probably depressed and not handling it well at all. DRC is right though, he needs to get it together and act like a professional despite it all. Probably not a completely comparable situation but I recall Tuck's play was sub-par during 2011 because of personal issues and a heart-to-heart with Coughlin got him back on track. I wouldn't expect McAdoo to be capable of doing the same thing for Apple based off of this season. Or maybe Apple is just shitty.

Our society sees things in black and white tones with no gray areas and lacks empathy so a lot of people are just shitting on him. I'd give him a chance to turn it around next year, but if a new GM/HC doesn't see it or won't give him a chance, I don't blame them at this point. I thought he showed a lot of promise as a rookie and would hope he gets a chance, but I'm wrong more often than not.
RE: RE: DRC is the coolest Giant I can remember  
Boy Cord : 12/12/2017 12:43 am : link
In comment 13736086 Diver_Down said:
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Dude is hilarious.



And yet the majority of BBI can't wait to run him out of town. At $6M/yr, he is a bargain and the only player that is consistently running guys down giving 100% effort.


Snacks.
His entire contract is guaranteed, and his salaries for 2018/19...  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/12/2017 6:31 am : link
...only comprise $4.34MM of the $15.15MM total. With so much physical talent, his upside is still worth more than the tiny portion they might recoup by cutting - or even trading - him. Let the new staff assess him in camp, and go from there.

I seldom call other people's ideas stupid, because stupid is a harsh, hurtful word. Well, this is a stupid idea - so stupid that even the journalist offering it up won't say he's advocating it.
RE: RE: Possible discipline for Apple  
JonC : 12/12/2017 7:51 am : link
In comment 13736634 darren in pdx said:
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In comment 13736299 RobCarpenter said:


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Coming this way Link - ( New Window )



These quotes from DRC sound spot-on:

"He's cool with me because I understand. I used to be that guy. You feel me?" Rodgers-Cromartie said. "When you're going through stuff, sometimes you don't know how to act out, so you act a certain way. I get that. It takes someone to hone in and make you feel loved.

"But the other point is it's a profession. You've got guys in here that is professional and strictly about their business. So if it seems like a guy isn't doing what he's asked to do, it rubs them the wrong way. I just understand it."

He seems to be very close to his mother so that has to be affecting his mental health and play, and top that off with a disaster of a season. He's probably depressed and not handling it well at all. DRC is right though, he needs to get it together and act like a professional despite it all. Probably not a completely comparable situation but I recall Tuck's play was sub-par during 2011 because of personal issues and a heart-to-heart with Coughlin got him back on track. I wouldn't expect McAdoo to be capable of doing the same thing for Apple based off of this season. Or maybe Apple is just shitty.

Our society sees things in black and white tones with no gray areas and lacks empathy so a lot of people are just shitting on him. I'd give him a chance to turn it around next year, but if a new GM/HC doesn't see it or won't give him a chance, I don't blame them at this point. I thought he showed a lot of promise as a rookie and would hope he gets a chance, but I'm wrong more often than not.


I'm usually one of the first here to cut bait quick on idiots, but Apple was really good and his potential shined through in 2016.

Someone needs to sit down with him and help him figure his head out, this is an immature 21 year old with a young, ill mother whom he's obviously really close with. He's a kid who needs mentoring and perhaps a break from the pressure of pro football after a painful stretch.
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