"leave" a really good Carolina team did he? he was released, wasn't he?
Probably a failure by Gettleman to not at least get something in return. At a minimum a comp pick.
His tag was rescinded when it became obvious that the Panthers couldn't pay him enough. Then Gettleman went out and got a low-cost replacement in Bradberry who's playing pretty well for them and isn't tilting their cap. I'm not all-in on Gettleman, but the Norman thing was not that dumb a move.
It's not about the money? Then take a pay cut to allow the team to fix other holes. He is trying to force the Redskins to release him so he can cash in in free agency.
Washington has a litany of personnel issues on the defensive side of the ball. Breeland is a horrific player who can't cover anyone. Teams attack him week in and week out.
They also have a rash of injured players - including Jonathan Allen who was an outstanding player for Alabama.
I don't think Norman is really the problem with that team. He's a clown, but he's not the reason their defense sucks.
"leave" a really good Carolina team did he? he was released, wasn't he?
Probably a failure by Gettleman to not at least get something in return. At a minimum a comp pick.
His tag was rescinded when it became obvious that the Panthers couldn't pay him enough. Then Gettleman went out and got a low-cost replacement in Bradberry who's playing pretty well for them and isn't tilting their cap. I'm not all-in on Gettleman, but the Norman thing was not that dumb a move.
At that point the cost for the FT year was sunk (if they kept him), after the season or at the deadline he could still have been traded and even at that time with the FT could have been traded. The Patriots traded Matt Cassel who had been franchised. Players on the FT can be traded.
the Panthers released someone who was regarded as a top 10 CB in the NFL (whether that's true or not isn't for debate) in his prime for nothing.
There was nothing smart about how it was handled by Gettleman even if the goal was to rid themselves of Norman.
Washington has a litany of personnel issues on the defensive side of the ball. Breeland is a horrific player who can't cover anyone. Teams attack him week in and week out.
They also have a rash of injured players - including Jonathan Allen who was an outstanding player for Alabama.
I don't think Norman is really the problem with that team. He's a clown, but he's not the reason their defense sucks.
He's also not the reason they're good. You pay a guy that much money and you expect a positive impact...not excuses.
He was /is a slightly above average DB. Carolina saw it, wouldn't give him big bucks.
Of course the inept DC team would sign him to long term big money. 2nd biggest asshole owner in sports. Look how much Cousins has gotten.
Norman - you got your money.
Please sign Cousins LONG TERM
Rescinded his franchise tag and moved on... he wasn't glad that happened to him... should he have took less money/took the initial home-town-discount offer? Would you?
He did leave them because he wanted too much money. That, to me, qualifies as him leaving them. He's not getting paid that much more in WSH than he was being offered in CAR, which is the funny part.
Should he have made an announcement that he didn't want to be paid and that he'd be okay with being lowballed?
Every single player tries to get as much as they can - including Eli. I don't know what makes Norman unique in that regard.
That's fine but don't come out and say that you don't care about money when you picked the Redskins because of the money.
Isn't that why every free agent signs a contract? The money?
I don't know, I don't think anything he said was that bad. Sounds like a frustrated player on a bad team. Not the first and won't be the last.
I'm not going to begrudge a guy for wanting to win and being mad that his team isn't winning.
And no, he shouldn't need to take less money just so the Redskins can competently build a football team. They're poorly managed and have been for a long time.
Every single good NFL team has at least one large contract on their books right now.
Isn't that why every free agent signs a contract? The money?
I don't know, I don't think anything he said was that bad. Sounds like a frustrated player on a bad team. Not the first and won't be the last.
I'm not going to begrudge a guy for wanting to win and being mad that his team isn't winning.
And no, he shouldn't need to take less money just so the Redskins can competently build a football team. They're poorly managed and have been for a long time.
Every single good NFL team has at least one large contract on their books right now.
Yes I won't criticize him for wanting to win but don't complain about losing when you forced your way out of a SB contender to go to a poorly run organization with little chance of making the playoffs because they offered the biggest contract and then act like a victim. If he truly wanted to win he would have chosen a better team to go to.
It's not about the money after you already received the money. Pretty sure he was not saying that 2 years ago. Otherwise he would still be on the Panthers and Gettleman would still be their GM...
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It was definitely the right move not to give him the long term massive payday he was seeking (and got from Washington). Had Gettleman done that, he would have been hamstringing the Panthers the same way that Washington is now dealing with.
"leave" a really good Carolina team did he? he was released, wasn't he?
Probably a failure by Gettleman to not at least get something in return. At a minimum a comp pick.
His tag was rescinded when it became obvious that the Panthers couldn't pay him enough. Then Gettleman went out and got a low-cost replacement in Bradberry who's playing pretty well for them and isn't tilting their cap. I'm not all-in on Gettleman, but the Norman thing was not that dumb a move.
At that point the cost for the FT year was sunk (if they kept him), after the season or at the deadline he could still have been traded and even at that time with the FT could have been traded. The Patriots traded Matt Cassel who had been franchised. Players on the FT can be traded.
the Panthers released someone who was regarded as a top 10 CB in the NFL (whether that's true or not isn't for debate) in his prime for nothing.
There was nothing smart about how it was handled by Gettleman even if the goal was to rid themselves of Norman.
And then how easy would it be to trade a CB on the franchise tag? CBs are important, but they are not QBs.
The goal wasn't to get rid of Norman. He was just too expensive.
Isn't that why every free agent signs a contract? The money?
I don't know, I don't think anything he said was that bad. Sounds like a frustrated player on a bad team. Not the first and won't be the last.
I'm not going to begrudge a guy for wanting to win and being mad that his team isn't winning.
And no, he shouldn't need to take less money just so the Redskins can competently build a football team. They're poorly managed and have been for a long time.
Every single good NFL team has at least one large contract on their books right now.
Yes I won't criticize him for wanting to win but don't complain about losing when you forced your way out of a SB contender to go to a poorly run organization with little chance of making the playoffs because they offered the biggest contract and then act like a victim. If he truly wanted to win he would have chosen a better team to go to.
He probably thought he could win in Washington. They were a playoff team the year before he signed there with a pretty good offense. It's not like they were 2-14.
the Panthers released someone who was regarded as a top 10 CB in the NFL (whether that's true or not isn't for debate) in his prime for nothing.
They got a lot of cap space in return - nearly $14M of it.
That's going to be a heck of a lot better than a 3rd or 4th round pick
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Carolina Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman didn't hesitate when asked what he could do with the $13.952 million in salary-cap space he got after rescinding the franchise tag on cornerback Josh Norman.
"A lot," Gettleman said Thursday, the day after he made the Pro Bowl cornerback an unrestricted free agent.
Gettleman said the flexibility he got in removing Norman's cap number and the unlikelihood that a long-term deal would be reached with the 28-year-old ultimately led to the decision to move on from him.
Isn't that why every free agent signs a contract? The money?
I don't know, I don't think anything he said was that bad. Sounds like a frustrated player on a bad team. Not the first and won't be the last.
I'm not going to begrudge a guy for wanting to win and being mad that his team isn't winning.
And no, he shouldn't need to take less money just so the Redskins can competently build a football team. They're poorly managed and have been for a long time.
Every single good NFL team has at least one large contract on their books right now.
Yes I won't criticize him for wanting to win but don't complain about losing when you forced your way out of a SB contender to go to a poorly run organization with little chance of making the playoffs because they offered the biggest contract and then act like a victim. If he truly wanted to win he would have chosen a better team to go to.
He probably thought he could win in Washington. They were a playoff team the year before he signed there with a pretty good offense. It's not like they were 2-14.
Nobody goes to Washington to win. They all go because of the $$$. Coaches and players and front office alike.
the Panthers released someone who was regarded as a top 10 CB in the NFL (whether that's true or not isn't for debate) in his prime for nothing.
They got a lot of cap space in return - nearly $14M of it.
That's going to be a heck of a lot better than a 3rd or 4th round pick
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Carolina Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman didn't hesitate when asked what he could do with the $13.952 million in salary-cap space he got after rescinding the franchise tag on cornerback Josh Norman.
"A lot," Gettleman said Thursday, the day after he made the Pro Bowl cornerback an unrestricted free agent.
Gettleman said the flexibility he got in removing Norman's cap number and the unlikelihood that a long-term deal would be reached with the 28-year-old ultimately led to the decision to move on from him.
but at that point when they released him the main free agency signings were done. The Giants, for example, had already doled out $250M on their defense alone with Vernon, Snacks, and Jenkins.
they would have gotten the same cap relief after the season if they let him go as a UFA.
and the FA tag is all salary, so if they traded him, like the Patriots did with Cassel, they'd get the same relief, but get something in return.
I agree that they shouldn't have signed Norman long-term at those dollars, I don't think the parting of ways was done in the best manner possible by the Panthers/Gettleman.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to either a) not franchise him at all, and sign Janoris Jenkins for less money per year or comparable money than the tag AAV?
or simply gotten the comp pick?
The way they did it they missed out on the best replacements and got nothing back.
the Panthers released someone who was regarded as a top 10 CB in the NFL (whether that's true or not isn't for debate) in his prime for nothing.
They got a lot of cap space in return - nearly $14M of it.
That's going to be a heck of a lot better than a 3rd or 4th round pick
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Carolina Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman didn't hesitate when asked what he could do with the $13.952 million in salary-cap space he got after rescinding the franchise tag on cornerback Josh Norman.
"A lot," Gettleman said Thursday, the day after he made the Pro Bowl cornerback an unrestricted free agent.
Gettleman said the flexibility he got in removing Norman's cap number and the unlikelihood that a long-term deal would be reached with the 28-year-old ultimately led to the decision to move on from him.
but at that point when they released him the main free agency signings were done. The Giants, for example, had already doled out $250M on their defense alone with Vernon, Snacks, and Jenkins.
they would have gotten the same cap relief after the season if they let him go as a UFA.
and the FA tag is all salary, so if they traded him, like the Patriots did with Cassel, they'd get the same relief, but get something in return.
I agree that they shouldn't have signed Norman long-term at those dollars, I don't think the parting of ways was done in the best manner possible by the Panthers/Gettleman.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to either a) not franchise him at all, and sign Janoris Jenkins for less money per year or comparable money than the tag AAV?
or simply gotten the comp pick?
The way they did it they missed out on the best replacements and got nothing back.
A lot of hindsight being 20/20 in that though. Gettleman did the right thing and took a reasonable gamble. He was simply wrong about Norman's perspective and the fact that a desperate team like Washington would swoop in with stupid money.
And, even at that, all things considered it wasn't horrible. He may have missed out on a pick or so, but it wasn't a disaster. Any GM of any length of time will have similar situations where they played the odds the way they saw them and it worked out differently. Add in hindsight to those situations and sure, they may have done differently (offload the player early for a pick or so), but I think he played that one right.
was not overly negative about the Norman move. The team tried to reach an agreement with him. He wouldn't come down in his demands and then he started bad mouthing Cam Newton and the team in general in the Media.
This gave the impression he was going to be a malcontent and since they didn't want him to be a distraction in preseason, they made the decision to release him and have the cap savings.
but I remember a lot of questions about it, but also don't forget the Panthers were coming off a Super Bowl appearance and even though they lost, Gettleman and the team probably had some goodwill/benefit of the doubt because of it.
I do remember it coming up all summer in team reports/reviews.
in the heart of Panthers country and I have some insight into what's transpired.
Graham Gano lives down the street from me and Brandon Beane who was assistant GM and the cap guy when Gettleman was here (and is now the Bills GM), is a friend.
Josh Norman committed the cardinal sin as a Panther - he started a feud with Cam.
Gettleman committed a Cardinal sin as well - trying to evaluate the futures of Olsen and Davis.
in the heart of Panthers country and I have some insight into what's transpired.
Graham Gano lives down the street from me and Brandon Beane who was assistant GM and the cap guy when Gettleman was here (and is now the Bills GM), is a friend.
Josh Norman committed the cardinal sin as a Panther - he started a feud with Cam.
Gettleman committed a Cardinal sin as well - trying to evaluate the futures of Olsen and Davis.
It is interesting, what did you mean by the Gettleman part though? Giving extensions to Davis and Olsen?
was looking at restructuring Olsen and Davis and was also seeing if there were any trade opportunities. He also was weighing the benefits vs. negatives of releasing them too.
The players (probably their agents) went to Richardson to complain and he told Gettleman those two were "off limits". He reportedly said something like "If they are off limits then I'm not doing my job properly. My job is to look at all options for all our players."
Opinions are mixed if he actually gave Richardson an ultimatum to fire him for the stance on Olsen and Davis, but they were the reason he was let go.
The Redskins can't always say the same, having, at times, refused to stick Norman on the opposing team's best receiver.
Such was the case against the Chargers - Keenan Allen made five of his six receptions when Norman was guarding someone else
They are ignoring Williams scored a 75 yarder against him and that flea flicker was 50+. All in all, he gave 142 yards yesterday. He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been living up to his contract by any stretch
was looking at restructuring Olsen and Davis and was also seeing if there were any trade opportunities. He also was weighing the benefits vs. negatives of releasing them too.
The players (probably their agents) went to Richardson to complain and he told Gettleman those two were "off limits". He reportedly said something like "If they are off limits then I'm not doing my job properly. My job is to look at all options for all our players."
Opinions are mixed if he actually gave Richardson an ultimatum to fire him for the stance on Olsen and Davis, but they were the reason he was let go.
Interesting, makes Gettleman look less bad given how at least Olsen has played this year (or not played technically) not going to lie and say I know anything about Davis' on field play this year.
Norman is not worth the baggage that comes with him.... Â
the same can be said about other players who like to talk as much as they play.
In some respects, Norman actually helped Gettleman to dump him. If his mouth made the fans and media in Charlotte tired of his antics, then cutting him loose most likely did not create much of a wedge between the fans and Panthers' management.
One of the hardest things for a GM is identifying when is the right time to cut a beloved player loose. Too often players are kept to appease fans or out of loyalty even if that decision produces negative results on the field.
In the 80's, there were some players on the team who were producing on the field but they were not good for the "team". Things fans would never see. Parcells began to move them out because he was trying to create team unity. One of those guys was Mark Haynes. He was a pro bowl corner and I mention him because we are discussing Norman. It was a shock when we learned that Haynes was traded to the Broncos. You see his dejected face at the end of the '86 Superbowl most likely thinking that he wished he was still on the Giants. However, when you become a locker room lawyer and you have a good coach and GM... you get escorted to the door.
I dont care how good Norman is. I would not want that guy on my team.
Definitely agree, similar to the Patriots, don't let one player make you overpay, there is almost always someone cheaper and effective. How much better off would the giants be if they didn't overpay for OV and JPP? They probably would have been able to sign some O-line help last year.
Have to agree.
Probably a failure by Gettleman to not at least get something in return. At a minimum a comp pick.
His tag was rescinded when it became obvious that the Panthers couldn't pay him enough. Then Gettleman went out and got a low-cost replacement in Bradberry who's playing pretty well for them and isn't tilting their cap. I'm not all-in on Gettleman, but the Norman thing was not that dumb a move.
They also have a rash of injured players - including Jonathan Allen who was an outstanding player for Alabama.
I don't think Norman is really the problem with that team. He's a clown, but he's not the reason their defense sucks.
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"leave" a really good Carolina team did he? he was released, wasn't he?
Probably a failure by Gettleman to not at least get something in return. At a minimum a comp pick.
His tag was rescinded when it became obvious that the Panthers couldn't pay him enough. Then Gettleman went out and got a low-cost replacement in Bradberry who's playing pretty well for them and isn't tilting their cap. I'm not all-in on Gettleman, but the Norman thing was not that dumb a move.
At that point the cost for the FT year was sunk (if they kept him), after the season or at the deadline he could still have been traded and even at that time with the FT could have been traded. The Patriots traded Matt Cassel who had been franchised. Players on the FT can be traded.
the Panthers released someone who was regarded as a top 10 CB in the NFL (whether that's true or not isn't for debate) in his prime for nothing.
There was nothing smart about how it was handled by Gettleman even if the goal was to rid themselves of Norman.
They also have a rash of injured players - including Jonathan Allen who was an outstanding player for Alabama.
I don't think Norman is really the problem with that team. He's a clown, but he's not the reason their defense sucks.
He's also not the reason they're good. You pay a guy that much money and you expect a positive impact...not excuses.
Sounds like a familiar situation, actually.
Every single player tries to get as much as they can - including Eli. I don't know what makes Norman unique in that regard.
This is a management/coaching issue. Not a Josh Norman issue.
I get it, though.. never pay anyone. That's the ticket.
Of course the inept DC team would sign him to long term big money. 2nd biggest asshole owner in sports. Look how much Cousins has gotten.
Norman - you got your money.
Please sign Cousins LONG TERM
Every single player tries to get as much as they can - including Eli. I don't know what makes Norman unique in that regard.
That's fine but don't come out and say that you don't care about money when you picked the Redskins because of the money.
He did leave them because he wanted too much money. That, to me, qualifies as him leaving them. He's not getting paid that much more in WSH than he was being offered in CAR, which is the funny part.
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Should he have made an announcement that he didn't want to be paid and that he'd be okay with being lowballed?
Every single player tries to get as much as they can - including Eli. I don't know what makes Norman unique in that regard.
That's fine but don't come out and say that you don't care about money when you picked the Redskins because of the money.
Isn't that why every free agent signs a contract? The money?
I don't know, I don't think anything he said was that bad. Sounds like a frustrated player on a bad team. Not the first and won't be the last.
I'm not going to begrudge a guy for wanting to win and being mad that his team isn't winning.
And no, he shouldn't need to take less money just so the Redskins can competently build a football team. They're poorly managed and have been for a long time.
Every single good NFL team has at least one large contract on their books right now.
Isn't that why every free agent signs a contract? The money?
I don't know, I don't think anything he said was that bad. Sounds like a frustrated player on a bad team. Not the first and won't be the last.
I'm not going to begrudge a guy for wanting to win and being mad that his team isn't winning.
And no, he shouldn't need to take less money just so the Redskins can competently build a football team. They're poorly managed and have been for a long time.
Every single good NFL team has at least one large contract on their books right now.
Yes I won't criticize him for wanting to win but don't complain about losing when you forced your way out of a SB contender to go to a poorly run organization with little chance of making the playoffs because they offered the biggest contract and then act like a victim. If he truly wanted to win he would have chosen a better team to go to.
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Have to agree.
It was definitely the right move not to give him the long term massive payday he was seeking (and got from Washington). Had Gettleman done that, he would have been hamstringing the Panthers the same way that Washington is now dealing with.
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"leave" a really good Carolina team did he? he was released, wasn't he?
Probably a failure by Gettleman to not at least get something in return. At a minimum a comp pick.
His tag was rescinded when it became obvious that the Panthers couldn't pay him enough. Then Gettleman went out and got a low-cost replacement in Bradberry who's playing pretty well for them and isn't tilting their cap. I'm not all-in on Gettleman, but the Norman thing was not that dumb a move.
At that point the cost for the FT year was sunk (if they kept him), after the season or at the deadline he could still have been traded and even at that time with the FT could have been traded. The Patriots traded Matt Cassel who had been franchised. Players on the FT can be traded.
the Panthers released someone who was regarded as a top 10 CB in the NFL (whether that's true or not isn't for debate) in his prime for nothing.
There was nothing smart about how it was handled by Gettleman even if the goal was to rid themselves of Norman.
And then how easy would it be to trade a CB on the franchise tag? CBs are important, but they are not QBs.
The goal wasn't to get rid of Norman. He was just too expensive.
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Isn't that why every free agent signs a contract? The money?
I don't know, I don't think anything he said was that bad. Sounds like a frustrated player on a bad team. Not the first and won't be the last.
I'm not going to begrudge a guy for wanting to win and being mad that his team isn't winning.
And no, he shouldn't need to take less money just so the Redskins can competently build a football team. They're poorly managed and have been for a long time.
Every single good NFL team has at least one large contract on their books right now.
Yes I won't criticize him for wanting to win but don't complain about losing when you forced your way out of a SB contender to go to a poorly run organization with little chance of making the playoffs because they offered the biggest contract and then act like a victim. If he truly wanted to win he would have chosen a better team to go to.
He probably thought he could win in Washington. They were a playoff team the year before he signed there with a pretty good offense. It's not like they were 2-14.
They got a lot of cap space in return - nearly $14M of it.
That's going to be a heck of a lot better than a 3rd or 4th round pick
"A lot," Gettleman said Thursday, the day after he made the Pro Bowl cornerback an unrestricted free agent.
Gettleman said the flexibility he got in removing Norman's cap number and the unlikelihood that a long-term deal would be reached with the 28-year-old ultimately led to the decision to move on from him.
At least we have someone that is productive, instead of a kneeler malcontent and underachiever.
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Isn't that why every free agent signs a contract? The money?
I don't know, I don't think anything he said was that bad. Sounds like a frustrated player on a bad team. Not the first and won't be the last.
I'm not going to begrudge a guy for wanting to win and being mad that his team isn't winning.
And no, he shouldn't need to take less money just so the Redskins can competently build a football team. They're poorly managed and have been for a long time.
Every single good NFL team has at least one large contract on their books right now.
Yes I won't criticize him for wanting to win but don't complain about losing when you forced your way out of a SB contender to go to a poorly run organization with little chance of making the playoffs because they offered the biggest contract and then act like a victim. If he truly wanted to win he would have chosen a better team to go to.
He probably thought he could win in Washington. They were a playoff team the year before he signed there with a pretty good offense. It's not like they were 2-14.
Nobody goes to Washington to win. They all go because of the $$$. Coaches and players and front office alike.
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the Panthers released someone who was regarded as a top 10 CB in the NFL (whether that's true or not isn't for debate) in his prime for nothing.
They got a lot of cap space in return - nearly $14M of it.
That's going to be a heck of a lot better than a 3rd or 4th round pick
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Carolina Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman didn't hesitate when asked what he could do with the $13.952 million in salary-cap space he got after rescinding the franchise tag on cornerback Josh Norman.
"A lot," Gettleman said Thursday, the day after he made the Pro Bowl cornerback an unrestricted free agent.
Gettleman said the flexibility he got in removing Norman's cap number and the unlikelihood that a long-term deal would be reached with the 28-year-old ultimately led to the decision to move on from him.
but at that point when they released him the main free agency signings were done. The Giants, for example, had already doled out $250M on their defense alone with Vernon, Snacks, and Jenkins.
they would have gotten the same cap relief after the season if they let him go as a UFA.
and the FA tag is all salary, so if they traded him, like the Patriots did with Cassel, they'd get the same relief, but get something in return.
I agree that they shouldn't have signed Norman long-term at those dollars, I don't think the parting of ways was done in the best manner possible by the Panthers/Gettleman.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to either a) not franchise him at all, and sign Janoris Jenkins for less money per year or comparable money than the tag AAV?
or simply gotten the comp pick?
The way they did it they missed out on the best replacements and got nothing back.
Exactly. I can see OBJ saying the same.
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the Panthers released someone who was regarded as a top 10 CB in the NFL (whether that's true or not isn't for debate) in his prime for nothing.
They got a lot of cap space in return - nearly $14M of it.
That's going to be a heck of a lot better than a 3rd or 4th round pick
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Carolina Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman didn't hesitate when asked what he could do with the $13.952 million in salary-cap space he got after rescinding the franchise tag on cornerback Josh Norman.
"A lot," Gettleman said Thursday, the day after he made the Pro Bowl cornerback an unrestricted free agent.
Gettleman said the flexibility he got in removing Norman's cap number and the unlikelihood that a long-term deal would be reached with the 28-year-old ultimately led to the decision to move on from him.
but at that point when they released him the main free agency signings were done. The Giants, for example, had already doled out $250M on their defense alone with Vernon, Snacks, and Jenkins.
they would have gotten the same cap relief after the season if they let him go as a UFA.
and the FA tag is all salary, so if they traded him, like the Patriots did with Cassel, they'd get the same relief, but get something in return.
I agree that they shouldn't have signed Norman long-term at those dollars, I don't think the parting of ways was done in the best manner possible by the Panthers/Gettleman.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to either a) not franchise him at all, and sign Janoris Jenkins for less money per year or comparable money than the tag AAV?
or simply gotten the comp pick?
The way they did it they missed out on the best replacements and got nothing back.
A lot of hindsight being 20/20 in that though. Gettleman did the right thing and took a reasonable gamble. He was simply wrong about Norman's perspective and the fact that a desperate team like Washington would swoop in with stupid money.
And, even at that, all things considered it wasn't horrible. He may have missed out on a pick or so, but it wasn't a disaster. Any GM of any length of time will have similar situations where they played the odds the way they saw them and it worked out differently. Add in hindsight to those situations and sure, they may have done differently (offload the player early for a pick or so), but I think he played that one right.
This gave the impression he was going to be a malcontent and since they didn't want him to be a distraction in preseason, they made the decision to release him and have the cap savings.
The Media had enough of Norman too.
I do remember it coming up all summer in team reports/reviews.
Graham Gano lives down the street from me and Brandon Beane who was assistant GM and the cap guy when Gettleman was here (and is now the Bills GM), is a friend.
Josh Norman committed the cardinal sin as a Panther - he started a feud with Cam.
Gettleman committed a Cardinal sin as well - trying to evaluate the futures of Olsen and Davis.
Josh Norman committed the cardinal sin as a Panther - he started a feud with Cam.
Gettleman committed a Cardinal sin as well - trying to evaluate the futures of Olsen and Davis.
That explains a lot. Thanks for the info
Graham Gano lives down the street from me and Brandon Beane who was assistant GM and the cap guy when Gettleman was here (and is now the Bills GM), is a friend.
Josh Norman committed the cardinal sin as a Panther - he started a feud with Cam.
Gettleman committed a Cardinal sin as well - trying to evaluate the futures of Olsen and Davis.
It is interesting, what did you mean by the Gettleman part though? Giving extensions to Davis and Olsen?
The players (probably their agents) went to Richardson to complain and he told Gettleman those two were "off limits". He reportedly said something like "If they are off limits then I'm not doing my job properly. My job is to look at all options for all our players."
Opinions are mixed if he actually gave Richardson an ultimatum to fire him for the stance on Olsen and Davis, but they were the reason he was let go.
Such was the case against the Chargers - Keenan Allen made five of his six receptions when Norman was guarding someone else
They are ignoring Williams scored a 75 yarder against him and that flea flicker was 50+. All in all, he gave 142 yards yesterday. He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been living up to his contract by any stretch
The players (probably their agents) went to Richardson to complain and he told Gettleman those two were "off limits". He reportedly said something like "If they are off limits then I'm not doing my job properly. My job is to look at all options for all our players."
Opinions are mixed if he actually gave Richardson an ultimatum to fire him for the stance on Olsen and Davis, but they were the reason he was let go.
Interesting, makes Gettleman look less bad given how at least Olsen has played this year (or not played technically) not going to lie and say I know anything about Davis' on field play this year.
In some respects, Norman actually helped Gettleman to dump him. If his mouth made the fans and media in Charlotte tired of his antics, then cutting him loose most likely did not create much of a wedge between the fans and Panthers' management.
One of the hardest things for a GM is identifying when is the right time to cut a beloved player loose. Too often players are kept to appease fans or out of loyalty even if that decision produces negative results on the field.
In the 80's, there were some players on the team who were producing on the field but they were not good for the "team". Things fans would never see. Parcells began to move them out because he was trying to create team unity. One of those guys was Mark Haynes. He was a pro bowl corner and I mention him because we are discussing Norman. It was a shock when we learned that Haynes was traded to the Broncos. You see his dejected face at the end of the '86 Superbowl most likely thinking that he wished he was still on the Giants. However, when you become a locker room lawyer and you have a good coach and GM... you get escorted to the door.
I dont care how good Norman is. I would not want that guy on my team.
Here, you'll find people who are able to find fault in anything and everything.
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I think Norman is a total buttface, but on what planet is there anything wrong with what he said?
Here, you'll find people who are able to find fault in anything and everything.
Grown men worrying about whether they like the players they cheer for is one of the funnier things I've learned from BBI.
I virtually never listen to pro-athletes speak until they retire.
Every athlete I've met, done business with or interacted with has been either a bit of a jerk, arrogant and not super engaging.
But then again I cringe when I hear most people's opinions on most things.
Funny enough, the athlete my company has done business with who word around the office was really normal, cool to be around and helpful was OBJ.
Funny enough, the athlete my company has done business with who word around the office was really normal, cool to be around and helpful was OBJ.
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you work for Tampax?
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lighten up brother...
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lighten up brother...
There's a flow joke in here somewhere [grin].
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you work for Tampax?
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lighten up brother...
There's a flow joke in here somewhere [grin].
yes there is... heavy time of the month?
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Have to agree.
Definitely agree, similar to the Patriots, don't let one player make you overpay, there is almost always someone cheaper and effective. How much better off would the giants be if they didn't overpay for OV and JPP? They probably would have been able to sign some O-line help last year.