Addison Reed to Phillies. Relievers flying off the board. Mets now interested in Fernando Rodney. He actually did have a great year in 2017 but he's 40!
by acquiring players or doing creative things on a budget. The way they sit on their hands and do the bare minimum year after year is just miserable. That's the problem more than the gallows humor.
according to most of the metrics on FG. Has some pop, draws walks, hard to strike out. Was one of the handful of top 2B around 6 WAR just 1 season ago, the only big change year to year was BABIP.
He was but 2B has basically become an offensive position
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
He was still 2nd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. His UZR was same as past 3 years, also made the same number of out of zone plays. Stole the same number of bases. That doesn't sound like a guy whose athleticism is falling off much.
this is a rare moment where we are in total agreement ZG, i'd take that lineup, though I'd prefer some others with more positional flexibility to Bruce (like Ozuna).
around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
He was still 2nd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. His UZR was same as past 3 years, also made the same number of out of zone plays. Stole the same number of bases. That doesn't sound like a guy whose athleticism is falling off much.
His UZR dropped more than 25% from 8.5 to 6.1. His DRS went from 20, 19, 12, to 6 over the last four years. Im not saying he's a bad defender yet or anything. He's still good. It's ok to say he's declining. He's old. He's the same age as Granderson. He's the same age as Cuddyer was when we got him. At best, he's what a 2 WAR player next year, gives us "ok" offense and we shopping again next year. I just dont think he's a great option. There are many 2B candidates out there.
this is a rare moment where we are in total agreement ZG, i'd take that lineup, though I'd prefer some others with more positional flexibility to Bruce (like Ozuna).
Ive been agreeing with you a lot all offseason actually. :)
The Mets could do worse than that lineup but Im betting
which has been steady the last 3 years ('15 - 6.7, '16 - 7.5, '17 - 7.5). His UZRs for those 3 years are similar also, with last year being the outlier if anything.('15 - 6.3, '16 - 8.5, '17- 6.1).
The reality though is none of those numbers mean much. There's no score that stipulates he will get to a ball or won't. The bottom line is they are similar and he is still 1 of the best defensive 2B in baseball.
The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
I'd be alright with Reed coming back. It's not shiny, and very Mets to lack creativity or any outside the box thinking, but it's an established reliever. It's...something.
The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
are you including Wright? If so, that's pretty misleading since it's a fairly safe bet Wright's salary will be reimbursed 75%.
and over the last 10 years has been very good except for one season. I consider Reed and Shaw about equal.
The thing for me is, unless you are 1 of about 6 or 7 elite closers in baseball you tend to be a bit up and down or at least have a stinker once in a while. Ramos was actually much better in 2015/2016 then he was in 2017. I consider all these guys roughly the same with maybe McGee being the best of the bunch. Reed, Ramos, Shaw, Smith, ect are all about the same. There's rarely such a thing as an elite setup man (Miller excluded).
The Mets recycle their players. Shaw is significantly better than Reed...not close. If Reed gets 9mil/year then I know Alderson is clueless.
Just curious, but what is that based on (Shaw being better than Reed)? Shaw's ERA has been higher than Reed each of the past 2 years. He had less of a role in the Indians BP since they had Miller and Allen. He strikes out fewer guys. Similar workload. I haven't watched him much so this is a serious question.
The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
are you including Wright? If so, that's pretty misleading since it's a fairly safe bet Wright's salary will be reimbursed 75%.
It doesnt matter either way. People are citing 150 million last year and that included Wright (it ended up less with some insurance money back) so if you count Wright this year it's the same difference. Also, from what was released years ago it took 2 months before it kicked in and then it was 75% after so it's not as much as you outline. Also, Wright is going to give it another go. I doubt he is ever a starter again, I doubt he is even good, but even if he pinch hits here or there he could screw up the insurance money. You cant count on that IMO.
The Mets recycle their players. Shaw is significantly better than Reed...not close. If Reed gets 9mil/year then I know Alderson is clueless.
Just curious, but what is that based on (Shaw being better than Reed)? Shaw's ERA has been higher than Reed each of the past 2 years. He had less of a role in the Indians BP since they had Miller and Allen. He strikes out fewer guys. Similar workload. I haven't watched him much so this is a serious question.
2017 Shaw 2.96 FIP 1.6 WAR. 2017 Reed 3.67 FIP 1 WAR most likely.
Also Reed's year suffered from Terry Collins trying to kill him on the mound in the first 6 weeks of the season.
Yeah, I like Reed a hair more too. His numbers are skewed a little by two really bad performances in Boston. He was pretty much lights out there aside from those two games too.
I did like Shaw though as a setup guy.
If Shaw got 9 AAV, McGee and Reed might actually get more. Crazy.
and that was at the end of the offseason off the scrap heap. He gave more to Blevins last year. Prices tend to go up year over year. All of these guys are signing for $8-10M. That's what Ramos is going to get in arbitration. That's just the market value. Darren O'Day makes $8M/year and we'd take him in a heartbeat because that's fair market value for solid late inning relievers.
I remember when we already had Darren O'Day... but we subjected him to being claimed by the Rangers just so that we could make room for 35 year old Nelson Figueroua to make a spot start in the place of Pelfrey (or something fucking stupid like that)
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Well, at his age it would have been great to sign him, given the cost, even if he needs TJ down the line. Heck, we drafted a bunch of kids in recent years who we knew needed TJ surgery.
Mets FO is a dumpster fire
He was asked about Stanton and his response:
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With Brandon Nimmo in right field? We just didnt feel we had a need there, Alderson said in his tongue-in-cheek way, then quickly praised Nimmo.
even joking, that's an awful answer for a variety of reasons, least of all is how the F should Nimmo feel about being the butt of the GM's jokes.
Yeah, this bothers me.
It's a slap in the face to the fans, and it's even shittier for Nimmo.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
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I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Fuck Alderson, fuck Terry, fuck the Wilpons, fuck the Mets.
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around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
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around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
He was still 2nd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. His UZR was same as past 3 years, also made the same number of out of zone plays. Stole the same number of bases. That doesn't sound like a guy whose athleticism is falling off much.
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TDA/Plaw
Its certainly not thrilling. (Even scarier without those additions)
Would love to see a play for Cozart (who seemingly has no interest) and maybe Ozuna. Now that would get me excited for the lineup.
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around baseball. There arent a lot of standout defenders to choose from these days. Even though he finished second in defense, he showed massive decline, understandable at 36.
I just dont like his bat and we need offense from somewhere. I'd probably be ok with Kinsler as a second piece if you told me we were getting proven offense from somewhere else.
he only declined on singles. His XBH and steals were the same. He walked more and struck out less. He had 40 less singles last year and his lowest BABIP ever.
Yeah I agree with you there. His offense wasn't that far off. The decline I was citing was with his defense. He went from "out of this world" to "above average" and a lot of his WAR was tied to his D previously. His offense? He's a career wRC+ 110 guy. That's ok. Neil Walker was better. I'm just saying we need more offense than that if we are going to contend. He cant be the "guy" or Im going to be pissed.
He was still 2nd best defensive 2B in baseball last year. His UZR was same as past 3 years, also made the same number of out of zone plays. Stole the same number of bases. That doesn't sound like a guy whose athleticism is falling off much.
His UZR dropped more than 25% from 8.5 to 6.1. His DRS went from 20, 19, 12, to 6 over the last four years. Im not saying he's a bad defender yet or anything. He's still good. It's ok to say he's declining. He's old. He's the same age as Granderson. He's the same age as Cuddyer was when we got him. At best, he's what a 2 WAR player next year, gives us "ok" offense and we shopping again next year. I just dont think he's a great option. There are many 2B candidates out there.
Ive been agreeing with you a lot all offseason actually. :)
It certainly feels that way but Im going to hold off until I see the final product before I go nuts.
The reality though is none of those numbers mean much. There's no score that stipulates he will get to a ball or won't. The bottom line is they are similar and he is still 1 of the best defensive 2B in baseball.
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Well, the Mets are still in on Addison Reed, so theres that.
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
Youre assuming they want to spend some of the money theyve saved.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
are you including Wright? If so, that's pretty misleading since it's a fairly safe bet Wright's salary will be reimbursed 75%.
The thing for me is, unless you are 1 of about 6 or 7 elite closers in baseball you tend to be a bit up and down or at least have a stinker once in a while. Ramos was actually much better in 2015/2016 then he was in 2017. I consider all these guys roughly the same with maybe McGee being the best of the bunch. Reed, Ramos, Shaw, Smith, ect are all about the same. There's rarely such a thing as an elite setup man (Miller excluded).
Just curious, but what is that based on (Shaw being better than Reed)? Shaw's ERA has been higher than Reed each of the past 2 years. He had less of a role in the Indians BP since they had Miller and Allen. He strikes out fewer guys. Similar workload. I haven't watched him much so this is a serious question.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
They really didnt. After arbitration, the payroll is around 122 million right now. They are about 28 million under where they were at the start of 2017.
are you including Wright? If so, that's pretty misleading since it's a fairly safe bet Wright's salary will be reimbursed 75%.
It doesnt matter either way. People are citing 150 million last year and that included Wright (it ended up less with some insurance money back) so if you count Wright this year it's the same difference. Also, from what was released years ago it took 2 months before it kicked in and then it was 75% after so it's not as much as you outline. Also, Wright is going to give it another go. I doubt he is ever a starter again, I doubt he is even good, but even if he pinch hits here or there he could screw up the insurance money. You cant count on that IMO.
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The Mets recycle their players. Shaw is significantly better than Reed...not close. If Reed gets 9mil/year then I know Alderson is clueless.
Just curious, but what is that based on (Shaw being better than Reed)? Shaw's ERA has been higher than Reed each of the past 2 years. He had less of a role in the Indians BP since they had Miller and Allen. He strikes out fewer guys. Similar workload. I haven't watched him much so this is a serious question.
2017 Shaw 2.96 FIP 1.6 WAR. 2017 Reed 3.67 FIP 1 WAR most likely.
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The Mets wouldnt outbid the friggin Rockies for Shaw? Heyman saying he only got 3 mill a season. Embarrassing
He's getting a lot more than that. Twitter is mostly saying he got around 9 million a year. 3 years.
Even if he got that. That should be an easy beat for this team. They just dropped over 50 mill off the payroll
Youre assuming they want to spend some of the money theyve saved.
They dont, Ive been saying that all offseason. This is bullshit
Yeah, I like Reed a hair more too. His numbers are skewed a little by two really bad performances in Boston. He was pretty much lights out there aside from those two games too.
I did like Shaw though as a setup guy.
If Shaw got 9 AAV, McGee and Reed might actually get more. Crazy.
The Mets are a franchise trying to turn a profit and save money.
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Yanks dodged a bullet. WOW!
Well, at his age it would have been great to sign him, given the cost, even if he needs TJ down the line. Heck, we drafted a bunch of kids in recent years who we knew needed TJ surgery.
The Angels im sure knew about this, too
Fuck Alderson, fuck Terry, fuck the Wilpons, fuck the Mets.
100% agree and feel the same.